somebody just had to go there......
 

i am watching the oscars. it is time to celebrate your win, not use the stage as a soapbox for the war.
while some people stated their opinions with skill, respect, and tact, somebody had to go over the line. i cannot remember his name, but he won for best documentary. he disrespectfully stated his opinion on bush and the war. very harsh words. the audience had the look of complete shock. watch the news tomorrow, you'll see it. he got booed too. anyway, it was a very idiotic move. steve martin was so great. he said that the guy is backstage being helped into the trunk of his limo.:D
anyway, the oscars always have something unexpected.

:rolleyes:

Re: somebody just had to go there......
 

LOL! Good for Steve Martin :)

Re: somebody just had to go there......
 

He was also applauded....he has the right to his opinions. After all, he gave many people a shock with "Bowling for Columbine." It's in your face reality, kinda what he did tonight. Others get to voice their opinions on the war during the awards, why can't he?

I saw that. It left me speechless. :eek: Kudos to those who "stated their opinions with skill, respect, and tact."

Wait, it was Micheal Moore?

yes, it was, I couldn't remember his name.

yeah, i related his statement to his 'bowling for columbine' too but still show some respect. i am all about speaking your mind.
but i wish people would have sense enough to use their 'freedom of speech' with decency. the oscars was not the place or the time for such a statement.

have the dixie chicks taught us nothing??:p

Good for Steve Martin! He's the best!!! *hehehe* There's a sign of a good host -- someone who can take a weird moment and make it into something we can laugh about !!! ;)

While I was not watching the Oscars @ the time, I agree with SATX on the issue -- "kudos to those who "stated their opinions with skill, respect, and tact."

smiley, I guess we haven't learned from the dixie chicks :p

Is that a rhetorical question?

While I personally have not seen this, yes, I would oppose to that. And I would oppose to those who support military action getting their points across in a hostile way.

Others did not act like an uncivilized, disgruntled cynic when they voiced their opinions. They did so in a manner that was eloquent and appropriate.

Ahh, but therein lies one of the great wonders of this so-called "freedom" that Americans so adore....the right to make a comment while being inappropriate. :)

C'mon Blaine; there's free speech and there's being uncouth. Sounds like Mr. Moore's comments were on the uncouth side of the fence.

Ok ok, his comments were inappropriate....A guy can't even have a little fun eh? :)

I told you all, she's a feisty one! grrrrr......hahaha

I didn't watch . . . what exactly did the guy say? (Or if it's so uncouth that you don't want to repeat it :p can somebody link to a site with a article that does?)

yeah it is rhetorical. it was just a joke.

you guys keep bringing up this 'freedom of speech'. well we are using our 'freedom of speech' in saying what we feel about him.
that is one of the reasons america makes me so mad, we use our 'freedom of speech' like greedy little children. did anyone ever stop to consider a little thing called discipline?
people use their 'freedom of speech' to insult. others use their 'freedom of speech' to reprimand. is there such a line that is crossed within this freedom?
i value my freedom of speech but i also know when the time comes that i need to shut up.
that guy had every right to his opinion. he just has no sense. he did have any respect to realize that it a sensitive subject that was on everyone's mind and that it wasnt the right time to discuss sides.
i just wish that 'freedom of speech' wasnt looked at as 'freedom of speech abuse'

:mad: :rolleyes:

And don't you forget it!!! ;)

I didn't see it either but they showed a little clip on it on Good Morning America, the look on the audience's face was priceless, I was CTFU at them.

I agree with what many of you have said...his speech was a little over the top. However, I *might* value his opinions more than the average dingdong celebrity.

On a side note, was Bowling For Columbine good?

I personally didn't think it was uncouth. I think Michael Moore said what a lot of people are afraid to say in public. Here is an article on his speech:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...309EST0088.DTL

Michael Moore criticizes U.S. war in Iraq in Oscar speech

ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer

(03-23) 20:09 PST LOS ANGELES (AP) --

A standing ovation and a handful of jeers from Hollywood's elite greeted filmmaker Michael Moore when he criticized President Bush and the U.S.-led war in Iraq during his acceptance speech Sunday after winning the documentary feature Oscar for "Bowling for Columbine."

"We live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts," Moore said.

Applause gave way to some boos, as the orchestra began to play the filmmaker off the stage.

"We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you," Moore shouted, surrounded onstage by his fellow nominees in a show of solidarity.

"It was so sweet backstage, the teamsters are helping Michael Moore into the trunk of his limo," host Steve Martin joked later.

"Bowling for Columbine" was Moore's satirical exploration of violence in America. The title refers to the fact that gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold went bowling before they opened fire at Columbine High School in Colorado, killing 12 students and a teacher before turning the guns on themselves.

Asked backstage why he made the remarks, Moore answered: "I'm an American."

"Is that all?" a reporter asked.

"Oh, that's a lot," Moore responded.

He said the Iraqi conflict sends a negative image to the nation's youth.

"What was the lesson that we taught children of Columbine this week? ... That violence is an acceptable means to resolve a conflict," Moore said backstage.

Moore dismissed the jeers, telling reporters: "Don't report that there was split decision in the hall because five loud people booed."

The rotund, scruffy-bearded activist from Flint, Mich., also directed the 1989 documentary "Roger & Me," in which he pursued former General Motors Corp. boss Roger Smith to confront him about the collapse of the auto industry in Moore's hometown.

Moore also is the author of the best-selling book "Stupid White Men ... And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation," which criticizes American politicians for favoring corporate wealth over public well-being.

Scattered appeals for peace and grim reports from the U.S.-led war in Iraq added a sober contrast to Hollywood's traditional night of glitzy self-glorification at Sunday's Academy Awards.

"In light of all the troubles in this world, I wish us all peace," said Chris Cooper, ending his acceptance speech after winning the supporting actor award for "Adaptation."

Cooper was among several nominees, including Meryl Streep and Martin Scorsese, who wore dove peace pins on their formal wear as a silent statement about the war.

BTW, his website is www.michaelmoore.com. I can't get on it for some reason right now, but I'm sure he will have more comments posted.

Considering Michael Moore looks like he bathes maybe once a month I don't know why people are surprised he didn't express himself in the most correct way.

I loved, loved, loved "Roger and Me" because I could relate to it - it was like my hometown on a larger, scarier scale - but I think MM has just fallen a little too in love with the image of himself as the person who always tells the emporer he has no clothes, whether it's valid or not.

I didn't watch the Academy Awards, but I did hear some of Mr. Moore's speech. It brings to mind what the band director at my high school would tell his students (now, I'm paraphrasing here because it has been a while!):

It's better to keep quiet and let me think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Wow accusing a man of winning something under false pretense; hypocrisy at its finest. As an aspiring entertainment writer in the past I practically idolized Mr. Moore’s style but I am sickened that he won the Academy Award for Best Documentary.

Yes, it was VERY good.

at skewing the truth…

i watched the oscar's last night as well b/c it's the one big tv event i honestly look forward to every year. and i was really, really impressed with how everyone was so tactful showing how they felt about the issue...whether it was one way or another. everyone knows how susan sarandon feels about war, and i was a little nervous she might pull a michael moore or worse (simply b/c i know our soldiers overseas will watch it, and we need to show support, not anger)...but she came out, slyly smiled, and held up a peace sign. i thought that was great. i personally think we are doing the right thing right now, and i 100% support our troops and hope and pray they come home safely ASAP (!!!).....sometimes i think artists take their fame and use their freedom of speech unfairly. it's fine to voice your opinion, but i don't think it's necessary to go beyond what the average american can do about it. i can't get on such a public soapbox and voice how i feel.....but b/c someone makes a movie, they can.....and seeing as though they have that priviledge, i don't think it should be abused. and mr. michael moore, in my opinion, definitely abused his right of free speech.
over-all, however, i think everyone was respectful and kept in mind that our american soldiers would be watching...and how about adrien brody stickin it to halle berry???? :D priceless!

monica

how?

Click the link.

It's funny. Michael Moore's speech took 30 to 45 seconds of air time last night and every show was talking about him this morning.

I like Roger & Me and MM in general. I think that his speech was not a big deal at all. I wish he had more time to talk..like 15 or 20 more seconds so he could thoroughly insert his foot in his mouth. ;)

lol@ Steve Martin for the teamsters are helping MM into the trunk of his car. :cool:

I hardly find some dude's personal website to be compelling evidence of anything, especially when a brief reading of some of his articles indicates that he is a pro-gun guy with a website.

I would happen to agree with this....


And Bowling for Columbine was VERY good.

I hardly find some dude's movie to be compelling evidence of anything, especially when a brief viewing of some of his books/movies indicates that he is a anti-gun guy with a website.

Michael Moore is an idiot.

Seriously. I'll defend his right to say it (as I read somewhere, its not against the law to be an idiot).

I just cant stand americans who obviously hate americans.

Seriously, the anti-industrialist socialist thing is so 1900. :rolleyes:

I am sure he flew to the oscars, or at least drove there, using some form of petrolium as fuel? If hes all that hella up about it, let him walk, or ride bikes. Luv some hipprocracy. He looks like he could us a good walk somwehere.

You know what's funny? I bet if Micahel Moore had got up on stage and said THANK GOD WE ARE AT WAR!! KILL SADDAM AND WIPE OUT IRAQ!!!!11 y'all would have been all about it.

As for famous vs. "average" Americans having the right to voice their opinion...I didn't know there were varying degrees? So, since I am not winning an Oscar, that means I can say whatever I want? But since Moore won an Oscar, he cannot? Mmmkay.

Kevlar, considering your screenname, your stance isn't a real big surprise.


ETA: Also, people are acting like everyone was booing. Not the case. Many people actually gave him a standing ovation.

probably due to the fact that he was already getting a standing ovation from the award, they were too shocked to sit down.
i know some people were clapping. i did not say everyone was booing. i dont know who said something about michael not saying what he thinks because he won an oscar. anybody can say whatever the hell they want.
from now on let all of america say whatever comes to their minds without a care in the world. cause by God this is the United States of America and we are free:rolleyes:
was that sarcastic? you bet it was.
i know we are entitled to their opinions. but i grew up learning that we need to respect other's positions.
michael should have accepted his award said his speech and left. he wanted to state his opinion so bad, he should make a documentary about it.
even if he did say 'yeah for the war and kill saddam' he still would have been out of line.
people make me so damn mad sometimes:mad: :mad:

Way to psychoanalyze a nickname I received when I was sixteen and playing ice hockey. I’m surprised you just didn’t cheap shot me and say something about me living in Texas. Here’s another link to a crackpot pro-gun nut

hmmm...wondering if librasoul was referencing himself to the statement i made about how celebs have more of an outlet to express themselves than someone like me (a meer commoner in society) who can simply decorate her car with glass chaulk. that is all i meant in that posting....not saying that they have more or less of a right to say what they think, but i do feel that they have a bigger soapbox than the "average" person, and should take that priviledge with some responsibility to be respectful of other's who may think differently. it was not necessary for michael moore to start yelling and screaming over ppl last night to shame the president and claim that we live in "ficticious times" with a "ficticious president"...yatta, yatta, BS. there's a reason that these lil talks after someone receives an award are called "ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES" and not "POLITICAL RANTS"....i mean, seriously.....and maybe if he had been more tactful about expressing his views, more people would have respect for him and perhaps he could have even changed some people's minds. there are plenty of celebs out there who do work for this country and orgs they believe in without getting on a televised event (that is meant to CELEBRATE artists, movies, and filmmakers) and make a spectacle of themselves. c'mon......
anyway, that's all i meant....i thought that was clearly stated, but i guess not. sorry for the confusion...we all have the same right to say how we feel......i just think that celebs should take their position seriously and not act like a jackass, abusing their platform for their freedon of speech.

Okay, let me just state for the record, that I don't necessarily agree with how Moore expressed himself last night. I am just trying to show another perspective. Sometimes people get so caught up in their own opinions and points of view that they automatically dismiss others simply because they are contrary.

Kevlar, you picked the name not me. Kevlar is pretty universally known to be the namebrand for bulletproof vests. Now, had it also been known to be a common nickname from high school ice hockey buddies, I would never have made the original connection.

smiley, actually I wasn't referring to you personally...simmer down, lol. I just think that sometimes, the pot needs to be stirred. Whether or not you agree with him, it has everyone talking right? I am pretty sure that was his sole objective.

And AlphaGamDiva...I am a HER! But I do see your point, thank you for clarifying.

woo....sorry, librasoul! don't mean to do a genderswap on ya!!!!!! lol