President's speech
 

I *just* missed the President's speech!!! What did he say?

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lol, we posted at the same time. I will delete my thread.

He said:

"If you are smart you will move to Canada or something."

uh oh.. doesn't sound good :(




I'm really scared about this.

They are showing bits & pieces of the speech on one of the news channels... this is really alarming at the words Pres. Bush used..

I think Mr. Bush did an excellent job tonight. He spoke very eloquently, and the speech was well written and delivered.

I'm just not all that excited about the whole 48 hour warning he talked about.

I was impressed at how he directly addressed that Iraqui people and told them that this was not going to be a war against them. I thought that comment was very important.

And now ladies and gentlemen, the Homeland Security "color" has been raised to: ORANGE

*sigh*

I'm actually kind of relieved to see someone in office that won't lace his words with political concessions and half-meanings. He wants the world to know he's serious.

I just hope that in a year or two we look back and call it a good decision.

if anyone missed it (i did too), msn.com has a video link of the entire speech.

thanks stagebear!

You cannot be serious that he did a good job - the man is a terrible public speaker! He showed no emotion whatsoever. I thought I was watching a robot.

Whether or not this is a war against the Iraqi people, they are going to die. Saddam is going to use them as human shields, because he is a @#%@#% and that is what @#%@#%s do.

I don't think we did try diplomacy hard enough - I think he's terrified we aren't going to be the big bad hegemon anymore, and thus we need to have a pissing contest to show everybody who their daddy is. :rolleyes:

Whoa whoa whoa... We didnt' try diplomacy hard enough? 12 years to disarm? How many "last chances" has Saddam had? It originally started out "we don't have any weapons of mass destruction." Then it's "Well, maybe we have just a few." And later on, "Ok, here's a few more, but that's all we have I swear!" And by the way, let me raise this question, with all the oil they possess what does Iraq need nuclear reactors for?

Let us ask ourselves where Iraq got the capabilities for nuclear arms in the first place.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

How many times did Clinton say... We will bring the terriosts to justice... hummm after the bombing in Africa... after the first WTC bombing... I could keep going... and he had the chance to get Bin Laden and did not do it... he also was quoted in the mid-late 90s saying that Sadam would use weapons of mass destruction against us.. that he was to be feared and should be taken out... What happened?

Once we start seeing dead american soldiers on tv maybe some people will regret the push for war.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but it's never stopped me from sharing my opinion before, so why start now? :)

If this war prevents another attack like we saw on September 11, 2001, the loss of some brave men and women who fight for our freedom will not be in vain. I know that it's hard to let someone you love walk into the danger that is war, but it's time to show the American resolve. Let's go in, blow their doors down and rebuild a democratic Iraq.

riiiiight
 

Oh yeah, cuz the US has such a great track record with the new leaders they install.

Oh yeah, and God bless oil...I mean, America

As someone with friends being sent over seas, let me say this: they understand the sacrifice. I do not want to lose any American, but this is what they signed up for.

We have issued ultimatum after ultimatum to Iraq, and the argument I keep hearing, is "Can't we just give them a deadline?" HELLO! We have. For 12 years. In 48 hours, the ultimatums finally stop. The news special tonight was called "When Diplomacy Fails". I think that is very accurate. I stand behind my President. Whether or not any particular person voted for him, he is our President. I personally feel that he did not make this decision lightly or alone. At some point, there needs to be an end to talk and a beginning to action. As he said, Iraq has not disarmed, and they will not disarm. Do I want war? Am I pushing for war? No! Chances are we all know someone who will be IN this war. Who actually wants their loved ones to go and die? Or even to leave? But, I thank God every day that there are men and women who are strong enough in their beliefs in freedom that they are willing to sacrifice themselves.

We're going to war. Neither protesting it or ignoring it will stop it and bring about the result of peace. If you believe in God, now would be the time to start praying.

Crystal

edited to say: This isn't about oil. They have not disarmed.

Ain't that the truth! Could it be that we are just pissed that Saddam and Osama are our little binch anymore? And that 48 hour crap is just that...crap.

And furthermore, since we are talking about the POSSIBLY of having weapons of mass destruction......what about North Korea? That HAVE weapons of mass destruction, have shown the world that they have weapons of mass destruction, and are currently test firing their weapons of mass destruction. What about them?

Oh yeah, that's right......because they do not posses large quantites of oil. And once we go in to Iraq and "rebuild" them, guess which US companies are submitting bids to do that....OIL companies that Pres. Bush, VP Cheney, and a host of his other croonies are board members of.

Now isn't that conveint (sp)?

I see people's points for not wanting to go to war, but I don't understand how saying we're doing it too quickly is one of them.

12 years??? 12 years???? It's about damn time.......but the thing is, it's Saddam we should be going after, not his entire country.

Honestly, and this is just a personal theory, I think we've had 12 years to get Saddam and if we really wanted to, the CIA could have taken him out with some well placed snipers. You can say that's ridiculous, but there are so many things our government does that no one knows about.

Also, do you have any idea how much $$$$ Cheney makes if we go to war??? Kind of hard to think that the administration is thinking with our best interests at heart.

About the dead American soldiers- I don't think anyone wants to go to war to see dead Americans lying on the ground. But that is what the Army does. Their goal isn' t to get killed, but there's a reason they're trained in self- defense/torture tactics. Sometimes, fighting with other cultures is going to get violent. Anyone who willingly joins the Air Force, Army, Navy, etc. puts themselves in that position. God Bless Them, they are a hell of a lot more brave than I will ever be. But if it comes down to 10 of us dying to prevent another 9/11, can you really say it's not worth it??

Alright....

Please remember that it is St. Pat's day so I may be a little incoherent.....

Okay I thought I would offer the opinion and reaction of people here in Toronto to Bush's speach. Generally mosty of the people were angry and upset at the percieved arrogance of G. W. Bush. Most people thought that what he said regarding the UN and international security and stability was more that a little hypocritical.... to say the least. Also the general feeling that I got in the pubs (about 5 tonight) was that no matter the party following (other than the facsist fucks in the alliance) was that they were proud of the PM's comments and statment not to support the US without UN support. Right now Bush and the US appear to be a spoiled little brat that didn't get their way.....

Once again this is the general consenus that I have gathered from tonight's reaction to the US President's speach. Judge it as you will......

There's no guarantee either way. If anything, giving ultimatums and cornering Sadaam could more likely provoke terrorist
attacks than them leaving alone.

Hey AXJules,

This questions isn't entirely directed to you, but I wanted to quote your statement because I know there are a lot of people that feel the same way.

To everyone:

How will this war prevent another 9/11? We have plenty of terrorist living right here in the US (as were many of those who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks). We bombed the fudge out of Afghanistan and what do we have to show for it?

i am just sooooo mad at our President for this mess. Doesn't he realize that he is setting the precedent of bypassing the UN when it comes to declaring war on another country? Just as we are playing schoolyard bully with Iraq, unfortunately, a bigger bully will come along and do the same to us. Some of y'all can keep believing that we are indestructable, but just imagine for a minute if the North Korean army invaded us tomorrow. Then what?

Just a side note from the history buff, I do not have the time to delve into these threads.

France.

Sold Iraq's first nuclear reactor to them in 1973.

Coincidence? Discuss......

Adrienne (PNAM-2003)

??? We're playing the school yard bully?

My favorite movie quote is from The Majestic: "When bullies rise up, someone must rise up to defeat them." Has everyone missed that Hussein is torturing his own people?? Didyou miss the part where the President tried to assure the Iraqi people that that time of torture for them is about to end? I am not saying that President Bush is perfect, nor am I saying that the US is perfect, but we are reacting to a situation MOST DEFINITELY not created by our president but by the actions of a psychotic dictator. The bully has been clearly identified - they are the ones holding weapons of mass destruction, torturing their own people, harboring, training, and aiding terrorists, and this has continued for YEARS. We are not indestructible, bur NOR ARE WE WEAKLINGS that refuse to protect ourselves, aid others, or act preventively reather than waiting for something else to happen.

Crystal

We do not get our oil from Iraq.. and during the first Gulf War Saddam started burning up his oil fields. I feel that Bush is saying do not do that to the Iraqi people, as it is a great asset.

I find it interesting that with Iraq's oil fields and the billions of $ that they produce annually.. that 9/10 of the people there make America's poor look like billionaires! Saddam is not a good man, he has killed son-in-law and put one of his son's in a wheel chair. He surpresses his people and pays families $25,000 when they get on a bus full of children and blow themselves up...

So why can we have weapons of mass destruction if they can't? They're as strong, if not stronger, in their convictions and righteousness than we are - so who are we to tell them what to do? I think we need a good old dose of isolationism right now - I am so sick of being everybody's baby-sitter.

I know everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs, but it's so sad to hear so many Americans still debating whether we should go to war or not.

I have three friends and an uncle out there somewhere, and like everyone else who has family and friends there, I don't want anything to happen to any of our troops and wish we could solve this problem peacefully.

It's my opinion that it's time for us as Americans to stand by each other in this perilous time.

Just as we said following the 9-11 attacks, we should say it again. "United We Stand.."

Isn't the beautiful thing about America supposed to be that we don't have to walk, think, talk, and act in lock step?

Ask France.

I think her point was that now would be the time to try supporting each other. Unity is not a bad thing - quite the contrary. Not saying everyone has to agree, but maybe it wouldn't be so horrible to realize that we are going to war, and we can help each other through the difficult times ahead. Americans do not HAVE to fight with each other because "it is the American thing to do".

texas*princess, I hope all is well with your loved ones.

Crystal

Who said anything about not supporting eachother, misguided though I may think many of us are? I don't support Bush or his Administration, and I will continue to speak against him. All I want from anyone else is just to question, and continue to question what we're doing.

On a lighter note....
 

You mean "Question Authority"?

Why should I????

;)

You'll get no argument from me. I think it's pathetic that we have to live in a world where this is even an issue. But sadly, it is and now we have to deal with it. If we're not the "babysitter" who will look out for America? Do you want to leave that to England, Spain, FRANCE?

You don't have to say you are for the war to support the troops who are being sent away. I personally have friends AND FAMILY who are gone and I definately support the brave men and women who are fighting for this country but I also don't feel like I have to silence any opposing views about the war. I find it very funny that one of the reasons that Bush wants to go to Iraq is to "bring democracy to the people" yet so many of his supporters are having a hissy fit if anyone so much as says they disagree with Bushes agenda. That is not very democractic. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Excellent speech delivered with determination and gravitas
 

The President did a fine job in the speech last night. He laid out his message in clear terms without any spin.
We as a nation have been attacked and thousands of our fellow Americans and hundreds of our friends have been murdered.
The President said that the object was to track down international terrorists and root them and those who support them out.
Saddam runs a terrorist super market providing funds, training, and lots of nasty stuff to international terrorists while at the same time running a 'government' based on terror, murder, rape, and atrocity.
OK, my Commander in Chief has given that son of a bitch 48 hours to get the hell out of Dodge or face off in the street.
Fine by me, now excuse me while I inspect my command once more and make sure we are ready to slap leather when the order comes down. Judging by my troopers mood right now, if I were Saddam I really would not want to do anything other than get out of Dodge, pronto. And, OBTW, we are targeting the leadership and those who want to fight. We are carefully prepared to bypass and not engage those who do not want to fight. It presents a bit more danger to us, but unlike our adversaries, we do try to fight clean.

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the US fight clean? right.......now that's a new one. if anything, we do just as much dirt as the next country.

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starang,

please provide me with credentials so i can believe you know anything about how the US fights war. I would like know service dates and tours of duty please.

If you have served this country in the military, please enlighten me and explain to me why the training you recieved was so at odds with the training that myself, the other 60 cadets i was in ROTC with at A&M, the hundreds of cadets i was at Advanced Camp with, my 2 retired officer parents, and my friends that enlisted in HS all recieved on how to adhere to Geneva Convention standards and that innocents are not targets.


Kitso
KS 361

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becuase i don't serve, therefore i don't know anything about the dirty operations of the united states? right....and because you serve that gives you the supreme knowledge of how the united states does things? sure sounds like someone who is trying to show out here. there's a reason as to why you don't see a whole lot of stuff out there on TV. and i thought it was common knowledge that the US has just as much dirt on its hands the rest of the world. i also figured that people wouldn't be so gullible to believe all of the propoganda that is out there in the media as well.

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I agree. Apparently, we are just angels :rolleyes:
Doesn't Oliver North has a political talk show. :confused:

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according to all the the "patriots and real americans," we are angels. because, hey we're america...we can do NO wrong.

I think there's a difference between America playing dirty and our soldiers acting with dirt on their hands.

From the people I know in the service, they are trained to serve with the the utmost respect for innocent civilians. They are sent to do a job, kill as few people as possible, and get the hell out of there.

Obviously there are things going on that the media isn't going to show, but I don't think it's our soldiers tormenting people. What they're not showing is our raids that have caught more terrorists, maybe things we found out before hand that would have made everyone hysterical if they knew. (I'm talking about things other countries/groups have done to us.) One example- over the summer they said to be on the watch for terrorists in scuba suits along the eastern coast. Everyone thought this was hilarious and then there was no coverage of it on the news afterward, so we all assumed it didn't happen. My Bf's best friend was actually sent off the coast of Virginia, and was there when they caught 2 of the guys.

SO.....do our troops play dirty??? In general, no they do not, nor are they trained to. Does our country??? They're war games guys....everybody does.