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PRESIDENT BUSH speaks TONIGHT
President Bush to address the nation at 8 p.m. EST tonight; will
say Saddam Hussein must leave Iraq to avoid war. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. |
Really, and maybe I am just ignorant about the whole process. I think we are basically ALREADY at war. So many of my friends, friend's S.O.'s, family have already been deployed! There have been stories in the local paper about a couple of casualties that have already taken place, due to "routine" assignments.
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Ant-Bush Vent!!!! Funk 'em!!
I am so tired of him. :mad: Quit trying to convince me that:
1. Quit trying to convince me that this war IS NOT personal. Quit being a puppet for you pops. Bush Jr. is a prime example as to why kids should not settle for being a "C" student and should not use drugs. 2. I dont' want to hear ish from Bush. DOn't preach to me about how Saddamm has the potential to build and use weapons of mass destruction when you already have a country (North Korea) that has PRODUCED said weapons and have been testing them right as we speak. Hmmm. who poses the greater threat to safety? :confused: 3. The WSJ has gotten ahold of information regarding WHO will get to rebuild Iraq (out gov't is currently accepting bids from private companies to do this) and guess which companies are on ths list. Those that VP Cheney, Conde, and a host of other Bush's homies have connections to within the oil industry. 4. If we are in the middle of a war (still) by the time the 2004 elections (or when the campaigning period) begans, there will be no elections. You can not hold them during times of war. Granted this is well over a year from now, but who knows. Haven't you noticed how Bush will talk some ish and post-pone the war? Hmmmmm.... |
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I am soooo sick of Bush, I am really considering voting for Al Sharpton, just to get his a$$ outta office.........:rolleyes: |
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To be honest, I am still in denial about this war. It has not set in. I am trying to convince myself that this is serious business, but it is so surreal. I don't think that it will become real until it actually hits "home." You know? Right now, it is over in Iraq and I feel so detached from it. That is partly because this war is such BULLISHT that I can't possibly believe it. After the conference tonight, I don't know what will happen.... |
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Why am I in tears? I know why? Because this ASS is on TV announcing that we are 48 hrs. away from war and there is NO apparent or adequate reasons for it!!!! Why are there so many young sistas and brothas over there staring death in the face? Why is he telling us that WE, the civilians, are at GREAT risk? Why is he telling us that we are a "peaceful" people, yet in the same breath says that he is willing to attack at any cost?
You know what? I can't type right now because my hands are shaking too badly. I'll be back. |
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I feel you, RedefinedDiva. I'm scared too. I really don't even know what to say about it anymore. There's nothing that any of us can do. We are at the whim of this lunatic. I'm also worried that now Saddam is backed into a corner, he will strike before the 48 hours are up. If you know the bully is coming after you, why would you play on his terms? All we can do now is pray. |
Bush Gives Saddam 48 Hours to Flee Iraq
20 minutes ago By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) on Monday gave Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) a 48-hour deadline to flee Iraq (news - web sites) or face a U.S.-led invasion, saying American forces will wage war "at a time of our choosing." The president, commander in chief of 250,000 U.S. troops poised at the borders of Iraq, addressed the nation at 8 p.m. EST. In the White House speech, Bush said the U.S. tried to resolve the crisis peacefully, but "we are not dealing with peaceful men." An intense White House debate over whether to establish a timetable was settled hours before the president's speech. "It boils down to the president is giving Saddam Hussein 48 hours to get out of town," Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., said after he and other lawmakers met with the president and his advisers at the White House earlier. Skelton said of the likelihood of Saddam leaving, "I don't think he will. I don't think anyone thinks he will." "The diplomatic window has now been closed," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) declared Monday morning, just 12 hours after Bush's return from an Atlantic island summit with his allies from Britain and Spain. A quick round of telephone calls Sunday night and Monday morning confirmed what aides said Bush had concluded before the summit: The allies' U.N. resolution was doomed to fail. He ordered the measure withdrawn to avoid an embarrassing defeat, then gave the go-ahead for a long-planned ultimatum address. The American public, by a 2-1 margin, generally supports military action against Iraq to remove Saddam, a slight increase from recent weeks, according to a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll out Monday. Opinion was evenly divided when people were asked about an attack without an attempt to gain U.N. backing. Bush asked Australia to participate in a "coalition of the willing" preparing for war against Iraq, Prime Minister John Howard said. White House and congressional sources said Bush intends to send Congress a bill seeking more than $70 billion to pay for the war. Seven months ago, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) helped persuade Bush to seek U.N. approval for military action despite the objections of anti-Saddam hawks like Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites). His diplomacy derailed, Powell sounded ready to turn to war. "The moment of truth is arriving," said the retired Army general was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) led by Bush's father. He said the only way war could be avoided was for "Saddam Hussein and his immediate cohorts to leave the country." Senior White House officials said they did not expect Saddam to seek exile. Thus, Bush planned to be at war within a matter of days, they said. Powell suggested that even an 11th-hour effort by Saddam to disarm wouldn't avoid war. "I can think of nothing Saddam Hussein could do diplomatically," he said. "He had his chance." |
What scares me is....
do they think that Iraq is just going to sit and twiddle their thumbs for 48 hours waiting for us to attack? They have enuf notice to hit us first. We have backed Saddam into a corner with no way to save face. It doesn't seem to me he is someone who is just going to say "Okay, okay, you win. I'm going into exile now." :(
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Yes, I am about to yell!
WHAT MAKES BUSH THINK THAT THIS MAN IS GOING TO LEAVE HIS COUNTRY? What if some folks didn't agree with our way of life, as they have already shown, and came over here trying to force us to conform to their standards? How can Bush tell those people that their way of life is wrong?
You know, it has NOT been proven to a great enough degree for me to believe that they have these horrific weapons of mass destruction. If they do have them, they have not had the balls to use them yet. However, now that their hands have been forced and have NOTHING to lose, if they do have them, what is going to stop them from using them now? Saddam is not going to wait. If he does, I will applaud him. Why? Because I beat he is saying the same thing that I am thinking, "What are you going to do?" I would sit and see if he is as 'bout it as he says he is. But you know what? A LOT of people will die behind this madness. The large part will be Iraqi civilians. But of the American casualties, it will be young sistas and brothas. The Armed Forces are loaded with young men and women of all races and they are on the front lines. I, like so many of you, have friends and family over there. If they aren't gone yet, I am sure that more of our peeps will be shipped out in the days and weeks to come. Hopefully, the harsh realities of war won't touch home soil. If so, I don't know what I will do. I am too young to die. Even if I were 90, I would still be too young. If it were a DAMN good cause, I wouldn't be so afraid. However, this is NOT one of those causes.... What is we gon' do? (my new signature :p) |
Right now, there is a full moon over the Iraqi skies. We will not go in to attack under a full moon (too much light-we prefer the cover of darkness).
And there you have it folks, the reason behind that 48 hour crap? Bush is so full of ish! I don't know whether to be mad, sad, or just plain disenchanted. I think this year, I will volunteer on a presidential campaign committee. |
Just pray y'all. Just pray. :(
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The kicker is that a majority of Americans support the war initiative. When I ask coworkers why, they pretty much recite what Bush has said. They have no opinions of their own. But then, I shouldn't expect much from people who watch The Bachelor instead of the news or can't even find Iraq on a map or better yet, would rather be petty and call the French names instead of truly respecting their opposition and finding another solution within the framework of the UN.
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Then Bush is like, "Saddam and his immediate family and officials have 48 hours to leave Iraq." Saddam is like, "Why don't you leave your country?" WTF:mad: :rolleyes: |
I watched the address last night and never have I seen someone be so obvious when reading his words off of a teleprompter. At least try to memorize your lines. :rolleyes:
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It is sad that the our country is giving Saddam Hussein 48hrs to disarm. Who are we to tell anyone to leave his/her country. All this war and rumors of war is a foreshadow of our fate which is yet to come. In Deuteronomy 2, the Israelites wanted to go up into the hills to fight the Amorites, but the Lord said unto Moses: "Say unto them, Go not up, neither fight; for I am NOT among you; lest ye be smitten before your enemies". Although we are the world's superpower, anything is possible when there is war. We could win, we could lose. America is desperate to keep her crown. All her currencies state: "In God We Trust"; yet she has forgotten that the same God who she trusts has already said in Ecclesiates that "To everything there is a season...". We need to stop bullying other nations and stop focusing on how we can "keep" our crown. We need to focus on how we can make peace. We cannot use war to make peace, which is what our President is doing. I mean...How can you fight fire with fire and expect to get water? So how can we use war to make peace? The lord has allowed America to rule for so long. However, she cannot do more than her time. All the superpowers that were before her has fallen. There's no reason for her to think that the battle with Iraq is hers'.
In St. Mark 13, "...one of his disciples said...Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! And Jesus...said..., Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down...And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; FOR IN THOSE DAYS SHALL BE AFFLICTION, SUCH AS WAS NOT FROM THE BEGINNING OF CREATION WHICH GOD CREATED UNTO THIS TIME, NEITHER SHALL BE". This world is not meant to be forever. All earthy things are temporary, including POWER. All I can say to everyone is to watch and pray, put on the whole armor of God, and choose who you will serve this day. I'm not saying that we will lose the battle to Iraq, but as I said earlier everything that's going on is a surety that our season is yet to come. We claim that we are the "United States of America", but we're not united. Therefore, a house divided against itself will not stand. Eventually this house will reap not only what she sows from the outside but also from the inside. People, wake up and pay attention to the time in which we live. Rev 17v10: "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other not yet come..." Which king is next? Whatever is meant to be, will be. We just have to fear the Lord with all our hearts'. AH |
I don't see why anyone is upset or surprised this is what happens when you mix an idiot who did not win the election, a "go to war" free card from congress, a poor economy and the speaking skills that deliver such statements as"he tried to kill my Daddy". As an American I told my class today that what makes this so bad is my opinion does not matter but I have to walk around on terror alert orange. An administration that creates color charts to determine my safety is at this point what I expect. I got a chart for George W:
:( Blue- Moderate Stupidity (mention Bin Laden when brain is stumped) :eek: Violet- Stupidity- (Use WOMD and Bin Laden plus if all else fails mention God when brain is stumped) :confused: Yellow- Idiot- (Have Colin answer all the hard questions, if this whole thing doesn't work I can blame him) :cool: Orange- Irrational Idiot- (Pull out the big guns, make a stand and hope Saddam folds, if not blow the region up, except the oil) :::o Red- George W. Bush at this moment- (Continue smoking his crack cocaine because that is what he must be doing to make these type of decisions) I am disgusted at American politics right now!!! :mad: :mad: |
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Here's my question, I don't normally talk about this: What will determine who is the winner of this war? I mean really. Of course, there is no REAL WINNER but what will the winner get? Does Bush not realize that even if he succeeds in killing Bin Laden, Saddam, etc. that they have followers and people who support these men who will continue their legacies?
Bush is stupid. It's like he might as well have put I AM COMING FOR YOU on WEDNESDAY on a bulletin board. |
Ok, so the White House has warned Americans to prepare for loss of life OF TROOPS. Do we need to be prepared for loss of life OVER HERE????????? Yall, I'm scared. I am trying not to be, but I am SCARED. Like, I'm crying. :( I just want to go home. I've NEVER wanted to go home so bad in my life. I WANT TO GO HOME!!!!!
But at the same time, I have to think about my girls. I don't want to incite panic in them by just jetting and going home. But I don't think they truly understand exactly what could happen. I can't BELIEVE that they haven't thought of sending these kids home. We have emergency plans and what not, but wtf? What are we waiting on? If I were a parent, I would've been came and got my kid. Day school (MAYBE) and that's it. But they d@mn sure wouldn't be spending the night away from home. And then this curfew??????? You want me to stay in the house while who knows what happens? I'm ready to go home. This is all a bunch of BS. All of it. |
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Giving my girl a hug. Be not afraid. God will take care of you. He knows the end from the beginning (I sound like my mother :o) |
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Air Raid Sirens, Planes Heard in Baghdad
2 minutes ago By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent BAGHDAD, Iraq - Anti-aircraft fire and explosions were heard across Baghdad after air raid sirens went off in the capital at dawn Thursday. An American-led invasion force of 300,000 troops awaited the order to strike. U.S. and British forces massed in the Kuwaiti desert close to the Iraqi border, giant B-52 warplanes were loaded with bombs and Tomahawk missile-carrying ships were in position, all awaiting an attack order from Bush. The deadline came at 8 p.m. EST, which was 4 a.m. Thursday in Baghdad, its population shrunken in recent days by an exodus of thousands of fearful residents. "The disarmament of the Iraqi regime will begin at a time of the president's choosing," said his press secretary, Ari Fleischer (news - web sites), moments after 8 p.m. "The American people are ready for the disarmament of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). They understand what's at stake. The military is ready, the nation is ready and the cause is just." Just after the deadline, White House chief of staff Andrew Card informed the president that intelligence officials had no information that Saddam had left Iraq (news - web sites). Saddam's regime gave every appearance of digging in. In the minutes after the deadline, Iraqi TV showed footage of a pro-Saddam march Tuesday in Baghdad, with members of the crowd chanting pro-Saddam slogans, some brandishing rifles and carrying pictures of Saddam. "We are dedicated to martyrdom in defense of Iraq under your leadership," a loyal Iraqi parliament assured the Iraqi dictator, and armed members of the ruling Baath party deployed behind hundreds of sandbagged defensive positions in Baghdad. Even so, 17 Iraqi soldiers surrendered to American GIs during the day, eager to give up before the shooting started. Bush met periodically throughout the day with his top aides at the White House and sent formal notice to Congress that reliance on "further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone" would not suffice to counter "the continuing threat posed by Iraq." Fleischer, said the nation "ought to be prepared for the loss" of American lives once the military effort begins to depose Saddam and recover weapons of mass destruction. Aides said the commander in chief would decide on timing based on the advice of his military commanders. More than 25 protesters were arrested outside the White House, part of a larger group of demonstrators that chanted, banged drums and carried signs that read, "Stop the War on Iraq." It seemed unlikely in the extreme. Along with the U.S.-led force approaching 300,000 troops massed in the Persian Gulf region were 1,000 combat aircraft and five aircraft carrier battle groups. The United States claims the public and private support of 45 other nations in a coalition to topple Saddam. But only Britain, with about 40,000 troops, was making a sizable contribution to the military force. In a run-up to war, U.S. aircraft also dropped nearly 2 million leaflets over southern Iraq with a variety of messages, including, for the first time, instructions to Iraqi troops on how to capitulate to avoid being killed. Hundreds of miles away, at an air base in England, crews loaded bombs aboard giant B-52 combat aircraft. Apart from the desire to capture weapons of mass destruction, Bush's submission to Congress said a military attack could lead to the discovery of information that would allow the apprehension of terrorists living in the United States. An attack, it said, "is a vital part of the international war on terrorism." Despite deep divisions at the United Nations (news - web sites), Bush also claimed "the authority — indeed, given the dangers involved, the duty — to use force against Iraq to protect the security of the American people and to compel compliance with United Nations resolutions." The diplomatic wheels turned still at the United Nations where foreign ministers were meeting in the Security Council at the request of the French and Germans, prominent critics of the American military operation. "This is a sad day for the United Nations," said the organization's secretary general, Kofi Annan (news - web sites) said. "I know that millions of people around the world share this sense of disappointment and are deeply alarmed." Bush abandoned diplomacy on Monday, and administration officials blamed French intransigence for the lack of consensus on a new Security Council resolution that would have given Saddam an ultimatum. The signs of imminent conflict were abundant. Israel ordered its citizens to start carrying their gas masks to work and to school. And hundreds of Israeli residents fled Tel Aviv, fearful that Iraq would launch missiles against their seaside city, as happened in the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites). Royal Jordanian — the only commercial airline with regularly scheduled flights to Baghdad — said it was canceling them in anticipation of war. And Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (news - web sites) offered a dual-edged analysis. He blamed Iraq for the approaching military conflict. But he also said he hoped that "different international forces will realize the dangerous repercussions of any military action on the safety and stability of the Middle East region." Another country in the region, Bahrain, publicly offered exile to Saddam "in a dignified manner that should not be seen as undermining Iraq's position and capabilities." "It's the last-hour chance and we hope that Iraq will accept this offer to avoid war," Information Minister Nabil al-Hamer told The Associated Press. Exile for the Iraqi leader "is absolutely unthinkable," said Saadoon Hammadi, speaker of Iraq's parliament. "He will be in front of everyone. He will fight and guide our country to victory." |
U.S. Launches Iraq War, White House Says :(
4 minutes ago 9:54P.M. EST WASHINGTON - The United States launched war against Iraq (news - web sites) on Wednesday. "The opening stages of the disarmament of the Iraqi regime have begun," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said. |
I wonder what God is thinking, this has to make him sad.:(
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I was listening to the Tom Joyner Morning show today and Al Sharpton was on. He pretty much ripped Bush a new one but he did bring up one key point. "This is what our voting apathy has brought us." If we don't vote and get politically involved in some way, we can't complain. Sad but true...:(
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The media keeps talking about if the first bombing killed Saddam and his officials, etc. I REALLY hate it when the media keeps "assuming" or "hoping" that that is what happened. JUST SAY THE FACTS! If they DID NOT kill him, then DON'T KEEP talking about it LIKE IF IT DID HAPPEN! The media are the SAME people who said that Bin Laden may have been killed, blah, blah, blah, and then what happened? He's still alive....you see? You get people's hopes up or begin rumors. It's NOT that easy to just go over there and kill a "leader."
Here are some thoughts I found on this war (not necessarily MY views): http://www.digitalvalleyhosting.com/GC/reason.jpg http://www.digitalvalleyhosting.com/GC/map.gif http://www.digitalvalleyhosting.com/GC/sit.jpg http://www.digitalvalleyhosting.com/GC/link.jpg http://www.digitalvalleyhosting.com/GC/Geography.gif |
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The cartoons may not be your views but they are mine.:mad: I just pray to God that this war will be quick and that not many soldiers or Iraqi citizens die.:( |
Right...I said MAY not be my views because I did not want to get into the topic too much. Maybe I should say MAY or MAY NOT be my views instead. I just thought the pics were funny and were a good depiction of most people's point of view.
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George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, DC Dear Governor Bush: So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you: 1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five peoplewho are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works! 2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve. 3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. 4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place. 5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either! 6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin,etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of. Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet! But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!! > >Yours, > >Michael Moore |
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Just to let you all know, I am watching ABC news and they just said that one of the helicopters that was carrying 16 Americans soliders over there as well as 4 crew members, just crashed. It is used by the army and other services over there. They say that it is highly possible that all were killed. They do not know why or what caused the helicopter to crash. This would be the first American casualties.
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