Where'd the picture go?
 

I wanted to check out that nudey picture of the sorority girls today, ( I was at work yesterday and couldn't view it, you know, I'd be canned), anyone know where it went? I am pretty sure "Delta Zeta" posted it.

someone asked that it be pulled down because it was offensive and we also didn't want a non greek person looking at that thinking thats what greeks do. I'm sure whomever posted it could send you the link though :D

It was not Delta Zeta that was being represented; it was a Delta Zeta who posted it. Theoretically at least.

I'm sure if you try hard enough you can find the picture online (it's all over the internet).

It was pulled because it's been discussed here before and it's not exactly the best Greek PR there is. I'm not sure the entire thread should have been deleted -- I think it needs to be discussed, it's a good example of how NOT to represent your organization, and if we just delete the topic every time it comes up we're not learning anything from it -- but the pictures definitely didn't need to be posted on this site.

What picture was it?

The infamous "Bid Day pics"?

Kitso
KS 361

Yes, it was the infamous bid day pics.

It has been discussed at length in the past. Do a search.

If those pics are posted here again, they will be deleted, again.

I honestly don't understand all the fuss about those pictures...I don't think they are that bad. A little tasteless but not over the wall "terrible."

Good pr, bad pr, it's all the same. If we talk about hazing and related situations on these boards, I don't think this is really any different.....

I understand the pictures being deleted, but the post could have stayed and continued the discussion.....

Exactly - we talk about chapters that haze, that start fights, etc., but a post about girls posing for pictures is pulled down.

In my mind, both represent questionable choices made by the members; taking down the pictures is ok, but the posts definitely could have stayed.

Just my .02 though..

Well there are a little girls on thi site percentage wise lol.

So it's acceptable to talk about sex and related foods and all that though right?

It wasn't just one person asking for its removal.

If I'm not mistaken, someone from the sorority's HQ contacted the forum's mod, who in turn let the administrator know that it had to be taken down.

Thank you Sandy. You are correct. :)

I understand the pictures being taken down, I don't think anyone in the thread is disputing that....

The point is that the rest of the thread could have made for a great discussion for greeks as to what NOT do involving things like this...and if the pictures were taken down, I don't see how the argument for taking the rest of the thread down could be made...That's like someone from another HQ contacting the moderator of the Risk Management forum and asking for the removal of a thread related to hazing involving one of their chapters.....

It's information....it all makes for a great discussion....

If a discussion on "THINGS NOT TO DO" is necessary, then by all means, do it. Personally, I don't think it's necessary to use this isolated incident [and at the same time have their name dragged through the mud] as the only example.

The moderator uses his/her own discretion in deleting or closing threads. I know that I've been approached by my own IHQ regarding certain questionable posts...and even though I didn't think it was necessary to take them down, I still found myself in an uncomfortable position.

We've all seen how things can get ugly with certain topics here on GC. Great discussion topic or not, it's always a tough situation when national officers get involved, and none of us really wants to step on anyone's toes!

Blah Blah Blah.....wheres the link? Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

But, as stated before, we have hazing posts that mention names of specific groups all the time -- does that constitute "dragging somebody's name through the mud?" If XYZ headquarters contacted the moderators of this board and said, "Please remove the post about XYZ hazing in the Risk Management forum; we don't appreciate the name of our organization being degraded like that," would you, if you knew full well that the hazing act in question really happened and that there was information all over the internet pertaining to the hazing act?

I definitely agree that the pictures should have been deleted. I don't think any of us are arguing with that. It's just that this is something that happened and that can't be denied, the pictures are all over the internet, and there are even discussions about that very picture on this board (not mentioning the chapter name, fortunately, but it does mention the organization name). I don't see why it shouldn't be discussed here -- I don't see a difference between that and the hazing posts.

SigmaChiGuy, I seem to recall you jumping all over VSUPhiMu for posting a link to secrets and telling her that she shouldn't hurt our organizations like that. What 's the difference here?

Why are people from headquarters scanning GC boards to find questionable posts? If they like to come here, chat, post, read, whatever...cool.... But I didn't think that being in a sorority was having "Big Sister" watching, making sure one did not defile Her name.

There was actually an interesting incident this past fall where a member of Kappa Kappa Gamma was talked to by a person from her sorority HQ about some of her posts on this board, and reminded that as she's representing KKG letters at all times and that includes online.

I agree that we need to be good representations of our organizations, but can't we have a little fun once in awhile?! :)

And don't lecture me... I've heard it all before and I've preached it myself... I just learned to loosen up a little after awhile (but still not enough, if you ask some people).

Not only that, but about two years ago a fraternity member was "silenced" by his HQ because of an online altercation between he and a bunch of troublemaker GCers. Truthfully, he spoke out, but his HQ had a problem with it. So he stayed quiet for a while...and he still is because I rarely see him post anymore. :( I personally don't think he was out of line, but that was my first indication that the authorities are lurking...

You can look at it as being "Big Brother" or "Big Sister", but brothers and sisters looking out for you in real life is how it is here too on GC. If I was out of line in my letters at a chapter event, I'd be sure to get a shoulder tap, no doubt about it. You earn your letters and you should respect your letters. That's where the whole idea of being a good representative of your GLO comes about. :)

It's already been discussed and there are threads on the subject still on the board. No need for a new thread.

Sandy please chill!!!!:eek:

SigmaChiguy, You should also chill!!!

If a Moderator finds something offensive, it is normally put on the Mod Thread and is then judged to be or not to be, that is the question offensive!

If so judged, deep sixed! Hopefully this may answer any further questions! Si ?

While some are in good fun, and a Mod does delete or lock, it has been brought back! A lot depends on the nature of the thread!

You are a guest as we all are no matter what your status is on site. It is a site to help Greeks and have fun, so take it at that if you would!:)

Tom, I don't think you of all people should be telling people to "chill". :rolleyes:

If you have a problem with what I post, please reply back calmly. You can't expect me to take you seriously with this "chill" BS.

Till then, this is my last reply to you regarding this situation.

Thanks, and drive through. Back to your regularly scheduled discussion, folks.

For the most part, I think this has been one of the better discussions on this site...at least people are getting their points across in a reasonable matter.

Again, just my opinion...

For the most part, I think this has been one of the better discussions on this site...at least people are getting their points across in a reasonable matter. Ditto KSigkid!

I would just like to add that it is really frustrating to read references to certain subjects and end up wondering "What the..." because they have been deleted. Plus, the squeaky hinge manner of "pick and choose" deletion has at times been obvious. Not pointing fingers, not even arguing with the thought process. It's just that I have NEVER commented on this subject even though I have noticed it's rather subjective. AND the appropriateness of certain posts seems to be judged on different merits...often reflecting personal feelings rather than overall content.

...I also get slightly irritated when people don't like the way a discussion is going and they say things like this has already been discussed or, there is another thread about this... You don't say that in real life, it kills communication. I've seen DOZENS of threads that start out with one subject and turn totally into something quite different. Yet, people being reactive throw out that comment (in what seems to me) as a way of silencing the discussion. If enough people want to take a thread in a different direction, isn't that OK? Are we to be so structured we must inhibit discussion?

TOM-You are a guest as we all are no matter what your status is on site. It is a site to help Greeks and have fun, so take it at that if you would! And that's the bottom line! :)

To be honest, I haven't really seen any thread get outta hand for quite some time lately.

I understand your point on the "there's another thread on this" but take it from those people that have been on hear for years. Hell, there was one time when a girl posted in greek life asking about a certain sorority and how they were on everyone's campus. Well, there was almost the same damn thread like two threads down from that when she started it. It was like she didn't even bother to search or check or anything. SO all of a sudden there were two threads about the SAME exact thing, almost with the same exact title.....in the same exact area "within a few threads of eachother."

This is one of the main things that irritates me as well - if there's discussion going on about a thread, active discussion and (mostly) thoughtful discussion, I don't see what the deal is. In my opinion, what I see is some people making snap judgements on threads; I don't see where the line is drawn between threads being deleted and threads being kept.

I too have kept my mouth shut about this - but you're right, the judgements on threads don't always make sense to me....just my thoughts.

Collin

Just to clarify...*I* was the first person on the thread in question to request that the picture and the link be removed. I never requested that the thread be locked. I think its very important to discuss these issues...I just didn't think that the pictures needed to be posted here.

Everyone needs to reread Sandy's post and think about it. The crucial sentence is: That sums up everything right there. Whether you agree or disagree with the moderator they have final and unappealable say in their forum.

So it depends on which moderator in which forum. Forums that have more than one moderator may very well have one moderator that is much quicker to edit/delete/lock threads than the others.

And its customary here not to comment much on what other mods do . . . not the least of which is the fact that once an action is done, its often too late to do anything about it lol!

You have a lot more latitude in a forum I moderate than some others because I try to apply an even handed standard even if I object to wat you write or think the post is moronic or even if the information is inadequate (misinformation or unsophisticated).

The more I dislike you or your post/topic the more I fall back on objective criteria to judge it because, in my humble opinion, personal bias is not a good way to make leadership/management decisions.

Otherwise the list of dead/expelled brothers during my long tenure as chapter president would have been obscene. And they would all have deserved it for being stupid or just pissing me off lol.

(like I don't understand: "what do you mean you didn't have time to arrange the mixer when you have known about it for 3 months??? you Didn't think to ask for help? You would tell us if you had had a stroke or something right? Damn, maybe we should institute that IQ requirement after all . . .)

So even if I get 1,000 complaints I won't act on a thread unless those complaints fit certain standards of objective criteria. Conversely if I get one complaint that fits that criteria I will delete/edit/close it.

just wanted to take a second and share how at least one moderator thinks about moderating. Please feel free to return to your normal thread topic.

I understand that basis and I dont really think anyone is disagreeing with it either.

The point is that people have witnessed that sometimes a thread is deleted/locked/edited in an early fashion with what seems to be almost no reason to lock/delete/edit it. Of course it is the choice of the moderator of the forum, but that doesn't mean that the choice is always appropriate or right.

I think what people have witnessed is a lack of parallels among some of the moderators. Meaning that some moderators will lock or delete or edit a thread only if personal attacks are involved, while another might do the same because the thread was repetitive or "went off topic." To be honest, many a good ocnversation on these boards start from "off topic" posts.

Now, this isn't a "bash mods" thread because to be honest the majority of the mods do a great job. That is another point that I don't thinkanyone can argue. Yes, the mods do deserve more credit than they get. I believe most of you are doing an outstanding job.

You should always express dissent. Its healthy to complain. I think there are a decent amount of people here that are either a little afraid of moderators or else they feel uncomfortable confronting us. Its a shame.

OK - I will, then.

I will openly encourage all moderators to take the sage advice given by James, and keep threads open until they exceed a series of concrete, objective rules of good taste - subjective things like "Bad greek image" or etc doesn't really fly for me.

In this case, remove the link, but keep the thread around so that we may (heaven forbid) have a real discussion about a controversial issue.

It should be remembered that your judgement as a moderator is final and irrevocable - take action only when it is 100% necessary for the betterment of our lil' ol' online community.

PS - I'm not trying to start an "anti-mod" movement, just dropping my dime as a quasi-contributor

don't listen to this kid, he's obviously 3/4s in the bag.

i have more posts than you, fruitcake, my opinion counts more

shoot, i forgot that rule....with my number of posts, i as well may have overstepped my bounds

HOLY CRAP HE CHANGED IT TO MAKE IT FUNNY!!!!1

I agree that routinely deleting an entire thread does get rid of a lot of good discussion.

In this case its a shame the pictures were deleted. The reason I say that is because they really weren't that bad. When I got it I thought it was going to be some extremely Risue picture or some out and out nude pics.

But in reality you see less flesh than if they were wearing bikini's. Truly, its the type of picture only dried up old women would get angry at.

Half the thrill of having the pic was the controversey the national started about it lol.