Gun to your head question
 

Ok, I know what you all are going to say. So PLEASE Don't Say It!

I just want to know everyone's opinion.

If you had a gun to your head and you HAD to name ONE (JUST ONE) sorority and fraternity that is the BEST WORLDWIDE, which would it be?

I know people are going to say, all are the best, there are good and bad chapters in every school, you have to keep an open mind, etc. etc.

I just want to know.

In my opinion, Kappa Kappa Gamma is the best sorority and Sigma Chi the best fraternity.

Thanks!

ok you know people are going to say this so I'll say it -

thats the most pointless question - everyone thinks his/her fraternity/sorority is the best so thats what they will say....I mean let me guess you are Kappa and your bf is a Sigma Chi?

I don't mean to poke at you and please don't take offense, I just think its a stupid question

I'm going to have to say D Phi E because[list=1][*]I haven't experienced any other sorority[*]At my school it was the only sorority I felt I could possibly have joined,[*]these girls are my best friends even after we've all graduated[*]I volunteer of Headquarters and my sorority has a strong, true, concept of sisterhood that is SORORITY WIDE[/list=1]

The best fraternity? I think Sigma Phi Epsilon is a very well run, organized group of men.

I think every sorority has a similar goal: sisterhood and integrity. Isn't there a Dave Matthews quote "Turns out not where but who your with that matters?"

I think that is so true!

Kristen

Actually - she's not a Kappa. I think it says a lot about people to be able to love your own organization with everything that you have but still recognize that there are others out there that are stronger. And there's nothing wrong with that b/c every organization can always improve.

I would go with Chi Omega and Sigma Phi Epsilon.

this is true

I just think the question is vague - I mean every GLO has their strong points and weak points so its hard - in my opinion - to define which one is best...I mean everyone has their own idea what best is you know?

Personally if I HAD to choose and there were a gun to my head - I would say Chi Omega or AOPi for sorority and Pike or Lambda Chi for fraternity. I've never had a bad encounter with any member from these groups thats why I'm going to go with those :)

I would agree that Kappa Kappa Gamma is probably the most well-known (especially among non-Greeks who aren't familiar with the Greek system -- most of the non-Greeks I know are only familiar with Kappa, Tri Delt and maybe Chi O) sorority that there is . . . and Sigma Chi is definitely up there for fraternities. But I don't think there's any one thing that makes either of them stand out from the rest of the crowd. I don't think Kappa has any programming that sets it above and beyond the rest of the sororities, for example. There's no way to prove whether or not its sisterhood is better than any other sororities' or anything like that.

Maybe you meant to ask about the most "prestigious" sororities? There I can see Kappa being at or near the top of the list. But as for best, it's really hard to tell. From what I can see from their website, Delta Gamma seems to have awesome programs -- but who knows how it's actually implemented at the individual schools. And the intangibles like sisterhood, philanthropy, etc. -- what criteria are we using for "best"?

I know you haven't been around this site for a while, but we try to avoid topics like this because

1) like you said, there really ISN'T any one right answer because there's no set qualifying criteria for what makes a great GLO
2) it can lead to hurt feelings
3) it's really unnecessary, since you can have a great experience no matter which sorority you end up in, national dominance has no bearing on individual campus dominance, etc., and the topic can negatively influence PNMs who visit this site and decide they're "only going to go Kappa because it's the best sorority."

Still, if you want people to continue the discussion, you should probably clarify your intent a little -- what should the qualifications for "best" consist of? Otherwise we're just going to get a thread full of people saying things like, "I had a great experience with ABC" or whatever their group is.

Maybe if I rephrased the question to which sorority/fraternity has the best reputation?

The reason I ask that is my girlfriends and I over lunch this past weekend were talking about expansion and in our opinion, expanding a sorority that is seeped in heritage, reputation, etc we feel gives the new group an added benefit.

That is how we fell into which group we felt was the "best overall" knowing this would open a huge can of worms.

But to answer your question, no I am not a Kappa and my boyfriend was not a Sigma Chi. I'm not married yet but if I end up marrying a Sigma Chi I'll let you know!

Sugar and Spice, my last response must have been posted at the exact same time yours was.

Sorry for starting this. I hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings and I hope that people don't only rush KKG/SC because I think they are "the best."

I didn't mean to cause trouble.

Don't worry about it -- you're new, nobody expects you to know everything about the site yet. :)

I think this is a difficult topic for people because, while it IS a legitimate one that I think SHOULD be discusssed and that shouldn't hurt people's feelings, it often does. Not only that, but potential new members visit this site all the time, and since they aren't Greek yet they often take whatever they hear about Greek life as gospel. Some girls hear Kappa is great so they decide that's the only group they want to rush -- even if Kappa is tiny at their school or they don't fit in with the Kappas at all.

You can do a search for "best sorority" or "best fraternity" or something along those lines, and I'm sure lots of posts will come up -- you can always check out old posts for ideas.

Okay, I understand the question and I don't really have a problem with it however I think answers will vary largely based on where people are from. Here in Colorado I tend to think very highly of PiPhi, DG, Chi O and Kappa since their chapters at CU and CSU (DG's not at CSU but very strong at CU) are top tier.

I have met a grand total of two Delta Zeta's from UNC and that's just because one girl used to work for my parents. I have never met or been familiar with a member or chapter of ADPi, ZTA or PhiMu though I understand they are excellent organizations.

So, I'd be happy to give you my opinions but it would be highly biased as, I'm sure, would everyone else's.

When I talk to people about the best fraternities I usually get one of three answers: Beta Theta Pi, Sigma Chi, SAE

as far as sororities Id have to say Chi Omega or Kappa Kappa Gamma

I would have to say for the fraternities Beta Theta Pi is my choice. This is not just because of pride for my fraternity.

I think that there are a number of reasons that Beta stands out.[list=1][*]The Men of Principle initiative: Has been recognized by NIC as a leading example of fraternity education and method of improving chapters. The results partnered chapters have produced speak for the strenghth of the initiative.[*]Beta is one of the few (the only???) NIC organizations where the power is ultimately held by the undergraduates. The General Convention held annually is the ultimate authority in Beta. Throughout the year we have an Administrative Secretary and President, but their positions are more focused on keeping the organization of the General Fraternity in order, rather than passing out punishments or handing out charters. [*]We are one of the few organizations being asked by universities to come to their campus. Administrators and Greek Life advisors are actually lobbying for colonies of Beta Theta Pi to come to their universities (Columbia, SLU and Oklahoma State are examples). [*]Beta has always been a pioneer in the fraternity world, whether printing an open constitution, dividing into districts for administrative purposes, fraternity wide minimum GPA requirements for members, or printing a fraternity magazine; Beta has continually been at the leading edge of the fraternity world.[*]The longest continually open fraternity chapter in the Greek world is a Beta Chapter - The chapter at Washington & Jefferson College founded June 1st 1842. That's 160 years!!! Older than all but a few fraternities, and it's been in continuous operation the entire time![/list=1]

I think that Phi Delt, SAE, and Sig Ep also deserve to be mentioned in terms of top fraternities nationally.

As for sororities, I think Chi Omega stands out just for being such a large organization. They seem to be very strong at the national level.

You will soon learn that the tolerance for redundancy here is low.

Especially when it's a question that has been asked many many times and almost never fails to upset somebody.

I don't mind it yet, but if I'd been here two years and seen the same type of post crop up again and again and again, I'd get sick of it too.

To add humor to this thread:

I would tend to think that if someone held a gun to my head and asked me such a question I would probably think that the person wasn't there mentally.

Ok sad attempt. But shiiiiiiiiii

at the risk of sounding hoaky - every GLO is great in their own way - there is no way really to rank them

also just because a GLO is large doesn't mean they are better - sometimes more is just more

The question is redundant.
The ANSWERS are redundant (sorry, but Betarulz I'm convinced you had that [completely unbiased] [choke] reply pre-written and just copied and pasted from the last thread!).
The question has no hope of being answered.
It inevitably pisses some people off.
AND I can't get past picturing some guy accosting me in an alley, holding a gun to my head and then of all things asking that particular question.


But since the question is so persistent...

::spins mighty GLO wheel::

The answer is...

::clickety-clickety-click-click-----click::

TKE and Phi Mu! There. TKEs and Phi Mus dance around and rejoice for you are the greatest upon the earth. All others go home and put your heads in an oven because you suck.

Happy now?

wptw

it's a good thread and the search function is a good tool. No the search function is a GREAT tool. This was a good thread/topic the first, second, third time it was posted. The point is that this exact subject has been talked about at least, and that's at least 100 times on here. Check it out yourself using the search function.

I don't think anyone questions if it's a good topic or not. We all know that some groups are better and we do deal with it. But judging a group to be better is all based on perception. And that can be fcontribued to 1000 other ways to factor in a receiver's perception.

After deleting more posts than I kept, I am reopening.

If it goes off topic again, it will be closed for good.

Answer the question posed or tell us why you don't want to -- no one cares how many posts per day each user averages-- to post on that subject, see the chit chat thread:

Greeckchataholic? Compare start date v # of posts

Thank you.

awesome post

Unbiased opinion: SAE and Kappa seem to always have decent chapters.

The basic question is No matter where you go, where are you?

Greek Organizations are weaker/stronger depending what part of the country you are talking about!

For example, KS is one of the strongest in Ks. with 6 chapters. 2 of the weekest are LXA and SP. Limited number of chapters.

That does not mean much does it!

Campus by campus each is different! I each of you got the web imput that I get daily about Greek Orgs getting kicked off of Campuses, there would be little question who is who and where!

I talked at length with a member of a Soroity today who was so up set with the Chapter taht was beside herself!

The point is, her Chapter was having serious problems, but that still does not change just how fine Her Soroity really is!

LXA has had problems with Chapters, that is why some had their Charters pulled for hazing!! :mad:

LXA was the first that had a NO HAZING Poloicy written in its by-laws and thank goodness not the last!:cool:


I wish to thak the Moderator for reopening this thread.

People, use it do not abuse it!:D

DUH! It seems that only few people get the question.

Name ONE .. just ONE ... and of course, some people didn't get it by answering two or three or more. If you can't make up your mind, don't even post on this thread! This is more common sense.

Once again, DUH! Answer ONE house for fraternity and ONE house for sorority.

Sorry for being rather cranky here.

that fact that hardly anyone can name just one simply further proves this is a pointless question to ask

no prob about the crankiness :)

Thanks KSigKid. But it was much better before it was forcibly edited.

I say if someone wants to talk about how pathetic we all are for spending so much time here, that person's post history becomes fair game. ("the prosecution opened the door, your honor"). If it's a touchy subject, then perhaps that info should not be so easily available in the profile section.

But I digress. Far be it from ME to hijack a thread. ;)

wptw

When I have talked to non-Greeks about this, they seem to know Delta Delta Delta (and the movie phrase that made them so easy to remember)- so I would say they are the best known. My sister was a Tri-Delt and I think they have some good qualities.

However, if someone had a gun to my head, I would look for something that would tell me what organization they were in and go with that one... come on... If I couldn't see anything to tell me that ... I would say ADPi... it is the best for me!

As far as fraternities... I have to agree with all the Sigma Chi posts. (No I am not married to a Sigma Chi, I married an AKL). I find the values and strong brotherhood of Sigma Chi to be pretty universal from campus to campus (even if individual chapter reputations are different).

I won't say who I think is the best sorority on my campus, because I'm rushing in the fall. :)
The university I transferred from, (Union U in Jackson), I'll say Zeta since I had a lot of friends in that group and most of them were in my major. I was a music major, and it being a small school, we were a tight knit major. Best fraternity there, Lambda Chi Alpha no doubt. LOVE and MISS those guys SO MUCH!!!

Here, the best fraternity is Pi Kappa Phi. My best friend is a Pi Kapp, and every guy I've met is just a really sweet down to earth guy.

Crystal

I don't really know about the other parts of the country.. but in California (mainly southern california).. I would have to say the best sorority is Delta Gamma Or Alpha Phi...

Fraternity would probably be Pikes, SAE, or Sigma Chi

I believe "best" is relative... I don't think you can really judge best from the outside looking in. There are things you don't know about until you are in, like how well your national supports individual chapters or implements the wonderful programming they toute on their website, or strength of the sisterhood... I can definitely say that Kappa and Tri delt are probably the best known to people outside the greek community... and I know several Kappas who are GREAT WOMEN but that doens't necessarily make them "best" in my book.

I'm sorry, but DZO just doesn't impress me - I come from a state where there might be more locals than nationals, and 10 years is nothing - my chapter was a local for 103 years, our unofficial brother fraternity is still local (temporarily national, as they like to put it and was founded in 1866. There's another sorority that's been local since the 50s, and a fraternity that has been local since the 40s. Our TKE and Sigma Pi chapters were also founded from a local...

That is true, there really might almost be more locals in Wisconsin.
There are quite a few on Milwaukee's campus and quite a few on other campuses around the state.

I had no idea that your chapter was a local for 103 year, thats crazy.
And Phi Sigma being founded in 1866,that just awesome that they are still around today.

There is another sorority that is a local on Whitewater's campus that was founded in 1899 and another fraternity on their campus that is a local that I thin kwas founded in the 40's or so.

There's a local at Beloit College that's been in existence for over a hundred years. I think it was a Delta Gamma chapter for part of its existence (early 1900s-1950s?), but the majority of it has been as a local.

UW-Stevens Point has two local sororities and only one national. A lot of the smaller schools around the state have comparable ratios. There are very few schools in Wisconsin that don't have any locals whatsoever.

If you had a gun to your head and you HAD to name ONE (JUST ONE) sorority and fraternity that is the BEST WORLDWIDE, which would it be?

Oh, how I lay in bed at night and ponder this...

Originally posted by wptw
But since the question is so persistent...
::spins mighty GLO wheel::
The answer is...

::clickety-clickety-click-click-----click::

TKE and Phi Mu! There. TKEs and Phi Mus dance around and rejoice for you are the greatest upon the earth. All others go home and put your heads in an oven because you suck.

Happy now?

wptw

Agreed, WONDERFUL insight in the quest for the TRUTH!!!
I actually DO have an opinion on this, but as I have changed, so have the standards I use to judge superfluous issues.

It's a matter of perspective, and the criteria one uses for judgments like this are relative to your own experiences. Bottom line-there is NO CORRECT ANSWER to a subjective question and a dozen or so people choosing to "opine" (I LOVE that word) does NOT make it "fact". Still, considering the size of the thread it is apparently good fodder for discussion.

edted-not trying to be mean...just feelng a tad sarcastic.

Pike is this way as well. I believe there are only a handful (5 or less) that are arranged this way.

Same here. Theta Delta Chi arranged that way. Not so unique then, eh?

Re: Gun to your head question
 

Are you out of your f**king mind?! If someone put a gun to my head and this what they ask me, I'd be worried that this person is a mental patient and is going to shoot me regardless of what I say.

What's with the gun here, geez... What, if I have a gun to my head I'm more likely to tell the truth? Hell no, I'm going to sneak a peek at his/her letters and hope I get it right:D

"If someone is holding a long stick at your rectum and asked you this question, what would you say?"

Does anyone have a better phrase?