Maybe I'm just getting older, but...
 

This is going to be somewhat long, and blunt, but I wanted to be honest, as I want honest feedback.

I am afraid that I am starting to loose interest in it all. I am wondering if this is common, and if it is happening to anyone else out there.
A year ago, one of my sisters (who has since graduated) said to me, "Oh, just wait till your Junior year. You start to look at everything differently." Now, I am at the end of my junior year, and wouldn't you know... I see what she means.
I love my sorority. I love the idea behind it. I love our ritual. I love its history, and I love what it stands for. I am just growing tired of the people in it, the way it is run, and the way the smallest, most insignificant thing is made to be the most important thing in the world.
Everything just seems so unimportant, and at times... I am sad to say so stupid.
These are my concerns:
I am not happy with our chapter's choice in new girls. I think that as a result, we are going downhill. They act so immature, and so ditsy.
To me, the chapter has become a flashback of all of the "high school drama" that I despised while in high school.
And as I said before, I am growing tired of the way the sisters make the tiniest, most insignificant thing seem to be the biggest thing in the world. One such example: we had a sister become inactive a couple years ago. Her younger blood sister then decided to rush another sorority on campus. Everyone is all upset about this and acted as though it were the end of the world. My thoughts are simply, "Who cares? If her sister wasn't happy here, of course she's not going to want to come here!"
There are literally only two girls out of the entire chapter who I feel that I can honestly call my sisters. Sadly, one of them is graduating this May. I will really miss her.
As I said, I think this is me just getting older. I think I am just looking at things differently. The new girls are all excited about starting college (as they should be) and just want to have fun (as they should). Me -- I am looking forward to graduating next year and getting married the year after that. I really feel as though that time just can't come soon enough.

The reason why I am writing all this is because I want some advice and feedback. What do you think about all of this? Is this normal?
I by no means want to "quit." But what should I do about this? How can I make myself enjoy everything again? Is that even possible?

I do not mean to offend anyone by this entry. I am sorry if that came across that way. I truly do love my sorority and the Greek System as a whole. This sorority has opened so many doors for me that would never have been open had I not joined. I have just been bothered by these feelings for a long time now, and can really use any advice.

Thank you in advance.

Violets,
I PMmed you.

L&L,
SororgrlADPi

i know what you mean. I must tell you that everyone goes thru it. I did. I wanted to drop around my sophomore year.

About the house being young and immature... I have a similar situation. We took a large class of freshman last semester and have a fairly good size class this semester. Majority of the house is under 20. Older members tend to get frustrated with their lack of experience with "serious" issues and tend to vote en-mass because they have the majority. Then we end up with decision that might not be the greatest. Have a talk with your house or president or sorority councelor. Maybe they can bring it up to exec about how everyone should be acting like an adult and if they aren't sure about certain things, they should ask. We will sit and discuss items until we are blue in the face so that decisions can be made acurately.
But to favor the youngin side... we ALL went thru being an immature sorority girl. Boy crazy party girls. They will eventually grow out of it and once they do, you will have some awesome and dedicated sisters that will be wiser than they are now.

I don't think what you are feeling is unnatural-and believe me, you are not alone. Besides the fact that you are getting up there in years (*said with sarcasm from a 30something alum), it is normal to get discouraged when you feel micro-managed.

I wish I had some great advice for you...can you do a round-table sort of discussion with your sisters to get your feelings out into the open? I bet there are others who feel the same way, and if you bring it up in a way that is meant to help the chapter move in the right direction, rather than to criticize, it could be a really good thing for everyone. Its tough to do that though without people feeling personally attacked....

Although my burn-out didn't start until the end of my Senior year, I know there were many who lost interest sooner. I would venture to guess from your comments, that the reason you feel the way you do is not because you are losing interest, but because you care too much. That isn't a bad thing!

All I can say, is try not to sweat the small stuff...look for the positive things, and if nothing else-talk to someone on the e-board who you trust & tell them your concerns. I know when I was President of my chapter, I would much rather that my sisters came to me directly with suggestions or concerns than to talk stew about it, or talk about it amongst themselves.... Don't whine (not that I'm suggesting you would)...be professional & sympathetic & your comments will be more easily accepted (the officers have a hard job & don't like to be told they are screwing up--even if they are). Bottom line-the only way to solve a problem is to try to help come up with the solution...and you've taken the first steps to doing that by bringing it up here.

Don't lose interest. It sounds like you have some valid concerns that need to be addressed for the good of your sisterhood. Good luck to you!

Honestly, I think it's a phase that many people go through. I know I did.

I agree with LeslieAGD. I wasn't in a sorority when I was in college, but I was active in a lot of organizations where similar group dynamics came into play, and I was just TIRED of looking at the same rickey fickeys every day! ;)

It truly is a phase--- You are approaching a point in your life where there are other things that require your attention. You are close to the end of your college career-- you focus on "real life" things--not petty dramas and all that goes with living with a bunch of girls.
Take a breather, relax, enjoy the time you have--it really will be over soon enough, and once it is over--you will want it all back.
Don't worry about the pettiness of it all---one day you will sit back, reflect and it will be refreshing on how life could be so simple.
I think it is normal to get this way-- as most do, you have probably dedicated your heart and soul to your organization--burn out happens.

Your love, respect, and all those feeling you had when you were "younger" will resurface one day.
I know from personal experience that I was the same way my senior year--couldn't wait for it to be done. Now looking back, I question why I did not enjoy it more--live it up. But after a few years out of school--I am very involved and love every second of it. I have sisters that I talk to everyday--we are a huge part of each others lives--but it took a few years apart to get us there. It took us getting over our hurt feelings and everything that goes with being so dedicated.

Best of luck!!
wendi

It truly is a phase--- You are approaching a point in your life where there are other things that require your attention. You are close to the end of your college career-- you focus on "real life" things--not petty dramas and all that goes with living with a bunch of girls.
Take a breather, relax, enjoy the time you have--it really will be over soon enough, and once it is over--you will want it all back.
Don't worry about the pettiness of it all---one day you will sit back, reflect and it will be refreshing on how life could be so simple.
I think it is normal to get this way-- as most do, you have probably dedicated your heart and soul to your organization--burn out happens.

Your love, respect, and all those feeling you had when you were "younger" will resurface one day.
I know from personal experience that I was the same way my senior year--couldn't wait for it to be done. Now looking back, I question why I did not enjoy it more--live it up. But after a few years out of school--I am very involved and love every second of it. I have sisters that I talk to everyday--we are a huge part of each others lives--but it took a few years apart to get us there. It took us getting over our hurt feelings and everything that goes with being so dedicated.

Best of luck!!
wendi

I can truely say that I never had that stage of my Active life as there were so many things being done from a New Local to Affiliation with LXA in a one year time span. A full fledged LXA Active one Sem. and then graduation.

Stayed with it for many years despite being married.

Divorced, backed away and then got back into it with both feet 5 years ago.

The same thing happens as an Alum. You get burn out and say the Hell with it all!!! I have one Alum Brother who talks to me and tells me to suck it up count to ten and get back with it again! Had to count to 100 before I cooled down and got back with the program!!

Dont worry about it! You in your Jr./Sr. year are concentrating on getting ready to go into the real world of working for the reat of your Life.

Then when you do that for a while, ta da, you decided to get back in touch with some of the Oldies or youre! Guess what? The love, spirit, and sister hood are still there!:) :cool:

You are getting older. Happens to the best of us.

Remember how young the middle school kids seemed when you were in high school?

Remember how silly high schools kids were when you were a college freshman?

I remember how immature I thought freshmen were when I was a senior.

New graduates seemed totally without a clue after a couple of years in industry.

And now, many years later, a lot of your (using the global you -- meaning many GCers) concerns can seem pretty petty. Not all, but some.

As you grow and mature, you change. Change happens unbelievably quickly in those earlier years. It seems harsh to say it, but it's so easy to see in hindsight.

Stick it out. You're growing, too. And those younger kids need guidance, direction and role models to help them along.

deltalum has wonderful advice!!!!

this is something that you will notice as you get "older." it happens not only in greek life, but other things as well! last year, i used to talk to my friends at my job and say things like, we weren't as stupid as these new employees when we started, right? we all agreed that we were never like that, but we secretly knew that we were! at different points in your life, you will look back to where you have just come from and wonder why those "other people" act that way.

i will admit that my second semester of my senior year was tough!! i hated participating in activities, etc. as soon as i graduated, i joined an alum group....lol. you are totally normal....don't stress too much!!!

You guys all have really great advice.

I am going through the same thing as ADPiViolets right now and all of that really helped ;)

I honestly couldn't tell you anything "better" than what has been said. It seems like it never ends...the "changing" that is.
Part of maturity is learning to prioritize as your focus shifts.

Delt Alum-As you grow and mature, you change. Change happens unbelievably quickly in those earlier years. It seems harsh to say it, but it's so easy to see in hindsight.

If you didn't feel a need to broaden your perspective, if you remained (as many people I know) stuck in HS or college, you would miss out on discovering all that's inside of you.

Your sorority is an integral part of who you are now. It WILL be a part of who you become in ways you can't always measure.
There is nothing wrong or "unusual" about growing tired of a situation. There is always a bit of discomfort associated with
change. Call this burnout or what you will...it is a predecessor to a new, broader perspective. Your sorority and the underlings do indeed need this kind of influence. MAYBE, just maybe the sorority hasn't REALLY changed...just the role you play.

I want to echo...
 

...what everyone else seems to be saying that the feelings you are experiencing are normal and ;) in fact, you may have quite similiar feelings at at least one point after you get married!
Since I pledged as a junior, I never went thru the sorority frustration-burnout stage, but now the MARRIAGE frustration-burnout stage....:D ah well, been there done that (and still with the guy!) so just keep on keepin' on...everyone here has some good suggestions about how to get thru this phase to the other side...just don't give up!!:)

I understand....
 

I can only say "ditto" to all of what has been said before. I went through a similar phase my senior year of college. It is not that I did not like my chapter or my sorors, but I realized I had one school year to finish my classes then graduate. I was on a full four year academic scholarship and I knew that when my money was gone I would have to be gone too, but with a degree.

For me, pulling away from my chapter was hard since I helped to start it. I remember my sorors at the time were very mad at me for doing so. And I was just a little burned out on it all. We were a small chapter at the time so to keep up with the rest each member had to pull double-duty. The results were worth it, but I knew I had to get through physical chem to get my degree and that was more important to me.

Don't feel bad. You'll come out of the phase. About three years after I graduated I re-activated with my sorority and have been active since, 10 years now. I have so much fun now. I get to work on great projects and help undergrads.

Just keep your sorority in your heart and you will come back to it.

ADPiViolets i pm'd you. . .

I understand exactly what you're going through--except that I'm a senior now and I went through it as a sophomore. I even wrote a letter of resignation, then I talked to a National Advisor who was visiting our chapter for the weekend. She suggested that I take a semester off, where I focused on making myself happy (I was going through a lot and clashing with some of the members). Then, I'd come back to the chapter, try it, and if I really didn't like it, I could resign--no questions asked.

So, I did what she said, and when I came back, I was more enthusiastic about the house than ever. I did everything, and made really good friends with the women who pledged that spring. After I went abroad and came back, I lived in the house for the first time, and there are problems, but there are way more fun times than bad. Now I'm a senior, and the house has become a big part of my life. I feel like the women who will be in control next year are capable and accomplished. I think it took a few breaks--being inactive and going abroad--to give me enough perspective.

Like so many people are saying, it's okay to take a little break.

Re: you have read my mind!!!
 

I agree, life is more than your sorority. And I also know what you mean about advisors too. This was part of the reason why I felt so odd about feeling this way about my chapter. I saw how our 30-40 year old advisors were OBSESSED by it, and all I could thing was "Get a life!" And then I wondered if maybe I was wrong by growing tired of it.

Anyway, I am grateful to everyone who is responding. It's really helpful to know this is normal.

I disagree with what people have said about advisors needing to get a life. Face it, if there were no advisors and alums helping, there would be no sorority...undergrads often don't realize this and think that certain things just magically "appear" and/or happen, but they don't.

I'm not an advisor--I'm too far from any Pi Phi chapters--but I wish I could be, to try to give back even half the experiences that were provided for us. It's like the neat things that parents try to do for their own kids (like birthday parties) so that they'll have good memories. Some people are ready to give back what they were given right after they graduate; others may take a while. Never have I met an advisor whose whole life was wrapped up in an undergrad chapter.

Check out the alum involvement forum and see why we still love and help our GLOs.

I agree with you, Advisors are incredibly important to undergrads. Perhaps your chapter and my own are different though. You said you never met an advisor whose life was wrapped up in an undergrad chapter. In our chapter, they are incredibly obsessed. This is well known throughout the undergrads and even in a couple of the advisors who aren't so wrapped up. Perhaps if I had the advisors you had in college, I would feel differently about this.
But like I said, they are incredibly important. Chapters would be nonexistant without them.

I feel like this is a separate topic, but I do have one comment. While I do feel that advisors and alums are incredibly important, I believe ADPiViolets is refering to those advisors/alums who try to live vicariously through the current members and refuse to give up control and let the collegians make decisions for themselves.

Exactly!

I felt the same thing as ADPiViolets my sophomore year, but now I'm starting to feel it again. :( This time, I don't really think it's the sorority that's bothering me--it's just that I have a 20-hour class load this semester so I can graduate, I have two jobs, and I'm in an honor society that I'm neglecting (which I feel bad about). I want to be as involved with my chapter as I was the year I joined, but lately, when I get out of class and all my homework is done, I just want to sit on my arse and unwind. I also like to spend time with my family, as I'm going to be going abroad in two months and won't see them for a long time, so that takes away from time I spend at the sorority house too. I am thankful that my chapter has less than its share of drama, but sometimes the pettiness really gets to me...I'm so fed up with hearing, "Guys, if you don't show up, you're getting fined." Fined, my a**! Fining is the absolute worst--it's the only thing that really gets me riled up about my chapter. A big Greek event is coming up in a week, and I feel a little guilty because I haven't been staying up til midnight working on decorations or that I haven't been really involved thus far as I was in previous years. I feel like I'm sort of outgrowing it--I'm so ready to get out of this school, but I am determined to make the most of this last semester...it's just that I need a little motivation. :)

I personally had never experienced what you are feeling as an undergrad, but many of my sisters and friend in other orgs have. I think that after a year or two of sisterhood, people get burned out. I have seen sisters 'take a break' from their sororities for a semester by going abroad, having an internship, going inactive, or not holding an office. Usually, they return with a renewed commitment to the sorority and are very productive sisters. Good luck!

I'm there too; I feel it. I've given so much to my chapter for so long (this is my third year as an active) and now I'm trying to phase myself out, but letting go is hard. I feel frustrated because there's all this stuff that I want to change, but at the same time I need to get a life outside of Kappa.

Funny, I'm in a social sorority, but I'm about the least social person you'll ever meet.

I went to our Province meeting this weekend and realized that I had a much better time hanging out and talking with alumnae than I did with actives-- I had way more in common with them. Growing up. Hmm, this is a funny thing.

OMG where was this thread last weekend when I thought the entire world hated me and I had a mental problem b/c I was sick of my sorority.......

Violets your post echoed every single thing that has been running through my head for the past semester. I don't really have any words of encouragement, except to say that I really do feel the same way and I'm sure other people do to. Here's something kinda strange that actually might make you feel better:

A very smart person said to me the other day-
You are so quick to be like, "my sisters this, my sisters that. They're my best friends. " Not saying that they CAN"T be, but think about it: you have known these people for 3, 2, 1, maybe even half a year. They might feel like your good friends, and maybe they are, but you can't be that surprised when you outgrow them. A lot of times, the people you meet in college are temporary friends. Acquaintances. And that's ok. Because the ones that are supposed to stay with you usually do. And the ones that aren't that important, that you say you really can't call a sister, you will leave behind and move on to bigger and better things. For some of those people, left behind in your college memories is where they belong.
So yeah, I am going through the same thing but I have lived in the house for 2 years. I'm moving out in May and am focusing my attention on that- the only girls I really consider my true blue friends are moving into a duplex with me and I'm really looking forward to it. They are AX sisters, so I look at it like I'm redoing the sorority thing to fit my (more mature) life. Hopefully you'll make some changes to make yourself happy, too. Good luck.

Ya know what??????
 

I wish that all the college Panhel Councils and all the sororities that loathe giving bids to sophomores or juniors would read this thread and realize that hey! taking in girls who are NOT freshmen might not be so bad after all!;)

I don't know what you're talking about from firsthand experience, since I just joined last semester, but I can tell from other experiences I've had what you're talking about. I think it's perfectly normal.One thing I want to emphasize is the fact that you don't have to play the same role within your sorority that you've always played. In my chapter, the younger girls have very different roles from the older girls -- the older girls often are less involved with the social aspects, not so "into" the sorority, often looked at as role models. You can change the way you interact with your sorority a lot more easily than you can change the way your sorority is.

Just don't let the stupid little things stress you out -- just because everybody else is getting their panties in a knot over something stupid doesn't mean you have to too, especially if you don't care or don't want to.

You know, I feel the same way - I'm not excited about going to a quint mixerl this weekend, but I was all pumped up about playing Bunco with the alums and volunteering for convention...

As an alumna who helps out our local collegiate chapter some, and has experienced the very type you refer to, they aren't the best for the chapter. But, sometimes, they are the only ones who will step up.

That said, Gamma Phi has a rule (unwritten, I believe and it might just be certain Province Officers) that the alums have to be out of college for a certain number of years before they can be advisors. They want them to be "removed" enough from the college experience.

If an alumna is causing a "problem" by being around all the time, try to get another alumna to help you out. We are there to make things easier for the collegiate chapter, not harder. Our first responsibility is to you.

>>>Or a 40 year old women talking about rush. Sorry all you advisors out there, but is a little sad<<<

Sorry to hijack this thread, but this statement is offensive on many levels. Not only do collegiate chapters need 40 year old women, you desperately need their insight, advice and life experiences. They know a lot about a lot of things, rush is only one of them. These women who are still willing to "talk about rush" after they are 40 are the foundation which holds collegiate chapters together and ensures their growth. Where would you be without all those "40 year old women talking about rush" when you need advisors? I am 40+, still talking about rush and any other sorority issue about which I feel strongly. I hope I am still talking about it all when I am 80. My sorority membership did not end at graduation - it is for a lifetime. For that reason, my interest in the growth of my sorority as a whole will never end.

when I was a collegian I went through the same feelings of "why am I doing this again?" I had a horrible experience with my ex chapter advisor and was left in a terrible spot between a rock and a hard place - I'll PM with the story if you want but basically it came down to either I had to take alum status or I would be kicked out. I of course took Alum since I love Alpha Gam and the last thing I would ever do is betray who I am.

I hated AGD for what they did to me and I hated them (my advisors and some of my own sisters!) for how they treated me. I was bitter and heartbroken for a long time.

Then one day by chance I ran into an AGD - never got her name, never got her chapter, but listening to her story just made me realize how immature I had been through the whole ordeal. It took me getting out and away from the drama to understand why I pledged in the first place. It also took TIME - since the drama, I've gotten married and had a baby boy - trust me, that in itself will change your view. After I met that Alpha Gam - everything I felt as a new pledge came back to me with a renewed sense of loyalty.

I'm now more active than I have ever been and all it took was a chance meeting to open my eyes. I'm still sore at how my active career ended but I still wouldn't change anything for the world. Everyone is right - you can have overload and what you are feeling is completely normal!

take a break, take some time and rediscover your sisters :) good luck

That's what I meant...
 

I mean we have sooo many advisors that are like freaking Nazi's. I mean everything is a big deal and NO, they don't have another life. They are quite immature for people who are supposed to be old enough to know better. I was not talking about every advisor-they are extremely important and I've rarely met a successful chapter that doesn't have them. But honestly-when you graduate, it's not really all yours anymore. You have to relinquish some of that control. The new girls have their own ideas and stuff and don't have to do everything just like you do it.Just because it's always been that way doesn't mean that it has to be that way.

We made a rule that alumni have to be invited or they are not to be at -you name it function-including rush. Now we do invite most of them of course, but we are tired of intereference.

And while I am ranting: big southern universities that have the alumni do the cut list before any of those poor girls have a chance to go through rush. Pathetic. I do not want my alumni choosing who is my sister. I want to choose.If they are legacies great, if not great. I mean recs are great but who is gonna submit a shitty rec.? Even the nastiest person has someone who likes her and will write her a rec. You have to go buy what you think of them. Not someone else.

Alumni have a great place, but running the chapter is not it. The actives should be running it.

Anyhoo-way off topic-but Violets, I know how ya feel!

Re: That's what I meant...
 

I think your nationals would have something to say about that. There are rules by universities and nationals that require alum presence at many functions.

Also, lots of people will submit a "shitty" rec. You'd be surprised.

There are good and bad and sides to alums helping choose sisters. If you haven't been on the inside of a huge Southern rush, it's impossible to know the logistics and reasons.

Re: That's what I meant...
 

This is WRONG WRONG WRONG on just sooo many levels. If you've experienced advisors that pull this isht, I don't blame you for being annoyed.

Heck, I wouldn't go to rush parties after I graduated - even if I was asked - because I didn't want to take the chance of some rushee meeting me and not liking me and not pledging. Not that that would have happened of course :p but to lose a girl the chapter wanted for someone who is only around a couple times a year - I'd feel horrible.

ok I was a victim of this - my Sis Mom actually relayed this to me after I was already an alum:

my as before mentioned advisor from hell - when I first signed up for Rush, she told the girls not to even bother with me BECAUSE I WAS AN AOPi LEGACY! WTF? and it happened, the first party they hardly talked to me and I almost quit right then and there. It took a phone call to my AOPi loved one that convinced me to stick to it. Long story short, this woman was in her 30's and started shit among us to make her look good

bad bad situation :mad:

Re: That's what I meant...
 

Just a couple of things....no, things don't always have to be run the same was as when we were collegiates. Yes, there are some people out there who can not let go, however, most of the time, the alums are just trying to help you not make the same mistakes they did. The funny thing is that as a collegiate you think that you don't need the alums. You think that you could run everything and do everything without any help. You end up struggling and getting frustrated within the group. People bicker and complain and fight. Then you graduate and hear about things that are happening in the chapter. You think, "why haven't we gotten past that? Why are they re-inventing the wheel, etc. etc." It is amazing because I belive that most alums are just trying to help out, but I don't think the collegiates are listening. This happened when I was a collegiate. There were people who thought we could do it all by ourselves. The thing is, that we couldn't. After graduation, most of us were like, wow, we really could have used some help.

The best example of this attitude came just a few months ago. This particular girl was initiated when I was a senior. Last APril, we were at a wedding together and she said to me, and 2 other girls who are a year behind me....."The chapter is nothing like when you were there." No she didn't mean this in a nice way, she was being.....snotty and a few other choice words. Fast forward to last Sept.....things had been happening in the chapter that she realized that she had done and that she really wished that she had gotten help from the alums. She was all in a tizzy and was trying to help. The collegiates were not responding and she was hysterical. She asked me why collegiates didn't understand that they could use the alums. I took a deep breath and said, "Do you remember what you said to me at that wedding?" She did and she apologized. She realized that she was wrong as a collegiate, and even as an alum to think that the members who had come before her were not as "good" or whatever.

In terms of inviting or not inviting your alums to events....I second what Carnation said. That may not be something that your national office would approve. In addition, you are going to find yourselves in situations that you are looking for donations from alums....and they aren't going to give. People aren't going to help you out when you need them most.

Alums have their own chapters to "run," but we want to see our chapters flourish. We have lots of experiences that could really benefit collegiate members. There are lots of ways to involve your alums. We make great "PNMs" during practice rounds of rush. I bet you will find that some of your alums may even be recruiters or people who do interviews at their companies. Believe it or not, rushing pnms is just like doing an interview for a company. These are things that we can share. We can help you set up and clean up. We can provide you with a little extra support and pep when you are experiening a tough time.

So the morale of my story is that you shouldn't shove your alums off to the corner. We are willing to help and there are lots of things we can do for you!!!

Oh, and you may not believe me now, but I promise you will in a few years.

That is so, so true. Thank you very much for sharing this.

Re: Ya know what??????
 

:) I agree!

This is what was already said about this:


posted by carnation:

"I disagree with what people have said about advisors needing to get a life. Face it, if there were no advisors and alums helping, there would be no sorority...undergrads often don't realize this and think that certain things just magically "appear" and/or happen, but they don't.

I'm not an advisor--I'm too far from any Pi Phi chapters--but I wish I could be, to try to give back even half the experiences that were provided for us. It's like the neat things that parents try to do for their own kids (like birthday parties) so that they'll have good memories. Some people are ready to give back what they were given right after they graduate; others may take a while. Never have I met an advisor whose whole life was wrapped up in an undergrad chapter.

Check out the alum involvement forum and see why we still love and help our GLOs."



Posted by ADPiViolets:

"I agree with you, Advisors are incredibly important to undergrads. Perhaps your chapter and my own are different though. You said you never met an advisor whose life was wrapped up in an undergrad chapter. In our chapter, they are incredibly obsessed. This is well known throughout the undergrads and even in a couple of the advisors who aren't so wrapped up. Perhaps if I had the advisors you had in college, I would feel differently about this.
But like I said, they are incredibly important. Chapters would be nonexistant without them."



Posted by: LeslieAGD

"I feel like this is a separate topic, but I do have one comment. While I do feel that advisors and alums are incredibly important, I believe ADPiViolets is refering to those advisors/alums who try to live vicariously through the current members and refuse to give up control and let the collegians make decisions for themselves."


Posted by: ADPiViolets

"Exactly!"