GHB and chicks......bad combination
 

I'm sure there are some of you out there that do this stuff.


I just wanted to share something that I've been going through since saturday night.


A friend of mine that plays volleyball for UF, as well as tennis, met up with a bunch of us late staurday night/sunday morning. She was sober. I've known this chick since she was a freshman in 99 and we've had some crazy nights together, late and crazy. We were at a friends house and there were about 40 people partying late night, I was in town as were a few others from our crew. Everything was fine up till 6:00am. My friend got the bright idea to get some GHB from her apartment. She was sober and didn't feel like blowing lines like everyone else was. She asked me and 3 other of our friends if we wanted some but said that it was real strong. Naturally I said yes as did our friends. I was the guinea pig since I have the most experience in that field and tasted it to make sure it was ok, believe me.....it was the fire a$$ $hit........everyone tasted it and agreed it was strong....I havent had G like that since 98.......The thought did cross my mind that it might be a phucked up batch and thats why it seemed to be the fire. Well, I've landed in hospital in 99 for that $hit and since then I've learned to use my head when doing it. I took a 1/2 of cap. Within 5 minutes I was feeling pretty damn good. The other, however, got G happy and kept taking more caps. I tried to be a trooper and made an effort to keep up, so I took another cap. Within an hour I passed out....or so they say....that always happenes to me.......but unlike me, they kept going.

I woke up a few hours later lying in a friends bed. I saw my friend that was the chick and one of my boys both butt a$$ naked on the floor by the bed. That led me to believe that they got a little freaky. Well.....As soon as I woke up I heard one of them choking. My friend Lance was vomitting and then inhaling his shit.....For those of you that don't know....thats how people die......I jumped up and grabbed him and held his head up while he threw up, making sure he didn't die. ( It sounds kinda like a crackhead thing, but when you have a lot of exp in situations like this, you know what to do.) After he was done throwing up he started bleeding out of the nose and mouth. However, it wasn't from the G. He had done about 3 grams of coke the night before along with numerous pain killers like Perkecet and Vikaderm crushed up in the coke. He's also on a steroid call Fenoplex which makes you have high blood pressure....thats how I knew his nose problem wasn't from the G.......Finally his nose stopped bleeding and all was well. The chick, my other friend, was ok at that time. I proped her up in case she had to vomit, cleaned my boy up with a washcloth and then left to go back to my friends house to shower. After showering I said goodbye to friends and then dipped back out to tampa.

On my way home got a call from my boy. To make a long story short, he said that my other firned still had not woken up, and that she was moaning but unconcious. Another teammate of hers who was also there doing the same $hit got scared and called the ambulance, which saved her life. Turns out she ended up being in a G hole for about 5 days....she came out yesterday afternoon.....This whole time I've been saying prayers for her. She called me an hour ago and we talked about a lot of things. She still cannot walk. She'll be kept in the hospital for another 4 days until she fully recovers. Somehow she didn't get brain damage but the doctors say she should have. She still has blood in her lungs and her heart is still very weak. Her heart beat per minute is very low. It's hard for her to breath. I could tell you everything you want to know about how GHB affects yours body and the way it enters the system, along with the harmful things it does while in your body. It's a nasty drug......It affects girls differently than it does guys. So, ladies, please take my advice and don't do it. I, along with about 9 other friends, have had close calls. She only had 2 water bottle caps of the stuff. Every batch is different. Theres been times where I took 8 caps in a night and was barely trashed, and then there was a time where my friends and I all took 3/4 of a cap and we all wrecked our vehicles that night, 2 of which were totaled. It almost cost a few their football careers.

If you have any questions about this drug and it's effects, please feel free to ask. If any of you have any stories you'd like to share....please feel free. If people know the nasty side of it, they might think twice before taking it.....

UF

Also if anyone can, please post a web site for others to read up on it. I'm about to leave for New Orleans.

Hope you guys have a great weekend.

With all these athletes being involved there has to be some kind of website or article floating around. I mean, football players taking GHB and getting into car accidents and Volleyball and Tennis players. Do you have any links where we can read up on these stories?

There is always a story when college athletes are caught using drugs or in a situation relating to drug use. I would think even more so from a football player getting into a car accident after a night of using GHB.

If you could point out some links about these stories, that'd be great.

Actually there might be something in the Alligator, which is the UF student newspaper. I havent checked.


As for the guys who play sports.....this happened last summer, last spring and the fall of 2001.......one was suspended from the team for about 1/2 the season......the others got off light. They weren't drinking alchohol and the police didn't think about G. All they gave them was wreckless endangerment tickets. There was something about the student body pres last year being wasted on G and how he failed sobriety tests but they didn't find any alchohol in his system.

Feel free to research you like...please post your findings...


I gotta go now....

I'm so sorry that this all happened, UF_Pike. You and your friends are in my thoughts.


But have a good (SAFE!) weekend. :)

My question is if you know this does terrible things to your body and can kill you. Why do you put your life at risk and the lives of others at risk? I'm not judging you so please do not think that I am but I am concern that your one friend doing the coke with other drugs needs some serious help. I do think a drug program or even going to therapist could help this person. Even dealing with a situation like this can cause some serious stress and a therapist may be able to help you through this. Most schools have some wonderful people that can really help in these types of situations. But thats just my two cents! :)

Here's what I don't understand-
I'm a 'clubber', so to speak. I work for a dance/promotion company that provides entertainment to diffferent clubs in Chicago. All of my friends work in the industry, therefore a lot of my friends do Xstacy, liquid g, etc. I have tried a few things once and swore to never do them again, but that's another story.
Anyway, everyone knows that liquid g is colorless, odorless, and tasteless. It also leaves your system incredibly quickly. That's why it's such a prevalent date rape drug. I have friends that do it all the time and the reason they do is b/c it feels like nothing going down. Like water.
I would never do it, but last year someone put it in my beer at a party. 2 beers and I was throwing up everywhere and blacking out. I still don't know how i got home, what I did that night, or where my shoes went.:confused:
I'm in no way saying you're lying, but either 1) the taste thing was added for dramatic effect or 2) you guys weren't doing g.

Something else I forgot to mention-
It's really true that everyone reacts differently to G (like most club drugs.)
Give someone a small amount for their body, they'll get hyper and then pass out. Give them too much, they'll vomit a lot. Give them way too much, and their body overheats and they die.
This is a weird slope of occurences, my point is that I had so much in my drink that I totally bypassed the hyper stage and wound up in the hospital.
There's no way to know what kind of effect it will have on you until it's too late. For anyone reading this and being like, different effects for guys and girls, I should try just a droplet of it..... it might not change the intensity of what it does to your body, just how long. It depends. Either way, I can't imagine how you could put stuff in your body that has a 50 50 chance of killing you and just be like, everyone's gotta go sometime.
Please if you're reading UF_Pike's post, know that he's extremely lucky for doing it so much and still being alive. Your results will probably be much different.

GHB can be made with one of two bases......

1-sodium based ghb....tastes disgusting, chicks say it taste like male sperm, if not mixed correctly it can be fatal.

2-potassium based ghb- tasteless, clear, oderless, extremly potent. It usually causes individuals to vomit or pass out due to the high postassium content. It drops an indivduals blood sugar level down to almost non exsistent...thats why you black out. It's kinda like what happenes to a diabetic when their blood sugar level drops. It can be fatal. This is why people tell you to drink sugar water or coca-cola when you start to feel like youre passing out....you need sugar in your body.

I've never used drugs. It just seems too dangerous. I don't feel like I have missed out on anything. It doesn't seem to be worth the risk of death or a visit to the emergency room.

Have heard this referred to as Gasoline, for the way it tastes. And NLS (nasty little slut) for how it makes you feel.

People, if you feel the need to try G--EDITED TO ADD: AND I AM NOT CONDONING THIS AT ALL --

DO NOT HAVE ANY ALCOHOL with it. Alcohol in your system DRAMATICALLY changes the way you will react to this drug and increases the danger. A small amount of G (1/2 an eyedropper) and no alcohol and you can be in happy place. With alcohol-- you want to sleep forever/vomit/feel like you cannot move limbs.

Of course, this is just what I've been told and observed, but I've seen enough of it around and enough reactions to it by friends to have made these observations...

In general, we ALL know its not a good idea to go mixing a bunch of different alcohols, let ALONE a bunch of different drugs.

No way I would EVER try that stuff. Sorry to offend anyone out there, but I think anyone who does it knowingly is a complete idiot. I've heard of too many people dying from it or going into comas. Why would you want to risk your life for some cheap little thrill? And YES I do suspect it has been used on me as a date rape drug (one night after only 3 beers I was SOOOOO sick, what else could it be???) And no, throwing up on yourself and choking on it is NOT the only way you can die from it. Here's an interesting bit of information I found on the subject:

"In addition to immobility and amnesia, side effects of GHB range from drowsiness and dizziness to nausea, seizures, respiratory problems, and death. Other side effects include high blood pressure, mood swings, liver tumors, violent behavior, impaired breathing, and loss of reflexes, according to Prevention Works! Club Drugs: GHB, an Anabolic Steroid. GHB is frequently used with alcohol, which can amplify these side effects.

Other dangers exist with GHB ingestion. Users have no way of knowing which chemicals are used to create GHB since it is illegally developed in clandestine labs. Typically, however, GHB is produced using common household cleaning products and other strong chemicals. Two “chemical cousins” to GHB — 1,4-butanediol (or BD) and GBL — are just as dangerous to users. When ingested, these drugs convert in the user’s body to GHB and can cause the same side effects found in GHB.

GHB was initially used by bodybuilders and athletes to build up their muscles, but when they began overdosing, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) took notice. In 1990, the FDA deemed GHB unsafe and by 2000 the drug had been placed in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act. In other words, GHB is now considered as dangerous as other, better-known drugs such as cocaine and the penalties for using or distributing GHB are just as serious."

Wow, you guys know a lot about drugs! LOL. My sympathies go out to those who have ingested it involuntarily, but to voluntarily take it? WTF goes through your mind that makes you go, "Yeah, I think I'll swallow (or however you get it into your system) some toxic chemicals."? Seriously, what is the desired side effect that makes it so appealing?:confused:

As far as exstacy goes, my friends who did it were mostly dancers who wanted to be able to work all night. It makes you hyper (and feeling really sexual), so they were able to dance from 9 to 5 am. Without it they'd get pulled by a manager as soon as they looked slow or without energy. I tried it once under the same circumstances and then realized how stupid I was for thinking if all my friends took the same pill, we'd have the same effects. Definitely not true- realized the error of my ways and never did any illegal drugs (voluntarily) again. I have another friend that djs and he swears that he can't correctly link tracks of music together unless he's rolling (on ecstacy).I think he's full of it and just looking for an excuse but he's not the only person I've heard make that claim.
Liquid g I don't understand.....it makes you either super hyper or really mellow and in this 'dreamlike' state.....I can get that from alcohol so why risk it? It's like playing russian roulette.

Wha??
 

See, the problems come in when people start saying they "NEED" drugs to do certain things...wtf??

I have never tried X, or G, or ABC, or blow, or acid. I have been around plently of people that do that stuff, and even at a club I frequent, the owner is forever telling me to do lines with him. What for? I mean, I enjoy going to the club and drinking to loosen up (occasionally getting sloppy drunk, lol), and that is quite enough for me.

I have seen the effects that drugs like X and coke have on people and I just really have no desire to ingest anything that will make me act like that. Ever.

I totally agree. If you need drugs to make your body do something, it's probably not something your body should be doing in the first place.

GHB was made to force you to sleep whether you want to sleep or not.

You kids are a little clue aren't you?

When I say that, I mean you tend to put what you think/feel/believe forward as facts or data and then ask others to draw conlusions from that.

That seems intellectually irresponsible.

GHB is basically an anasthetic. ITs designed to put you to sleep. So a normal dose will render you unconscious. Thats the way its supposed to be used.

While unconscious you may have something called clonic spasms where it looks like you are twitching, or having seizures. These are normal, dose dependant (which means their severity will depend on how much you take), and harmless.

Depending on how much you take (dose dependance again) you may be difficult to impossible to wake and may be completely disoriented, not remember your name, or relevant details until you reorient.

The disorientation is because GHB forces you into a stage 4 sleep. Very Deep sleep and you will normally be disoriented waking from one of those normally. Imagine not sleeping for two days and then haiving soeone try and wake you after two hours. ITs a similar model.

This is what GHb is supposed to do to you. so the vast majority of people taken to the hospital for a so-called overdose, just took the normal dose that puts you to sleep whether you want to go to sleep or not.

While in the hospital the Doctor's will do a lot of intervention work because they don't know whats wrong with you. Then usually after about an hour or so you will suddenly come awake and be oriented.

A very expensive rest.

Neat eh? So remember lesson 1. GHB is designed to put you to sleep whether you want to sleep or not.

GHB as a recreational drug.

Well here we have this neat little drug that puts you to sleep. And its been used for 20 or so years to treat insomniacs, narcoleptics and cataleptics (people with excessive daytime sleepiness).

In those populations, even though they have used the drug in large amounts for decades there have been no adverse effects. In fact the LD-50 (lethal dose) for GHB is so high that the Salt content would kill you before the actual GHB did.

Neat eh? So how did it become a recreational drug? after all its designed to put you to sleep or help you sleep right?

Well, if you take less than the sleep producing dose it makes you feel high. The effect is very similar to a clean alcohol feeling. I say clean because GHB metabolizes into water and carbon dioxide within four hours of entering your body. And then its gone.

Alcohol metabolizes into water and acetylaldehyde. Acetylaldehyde (think formaldehyde, embalming fluid) is 20 times more toxic than alcohol and take over an hour to pass every ounce out of your body.

10 ounces of alcohol and you are still processing it 13 hours later.

In fact GHB is so closely akin to the buzz from alcohol that it has been used as an alcohol substitute to take alcoholics off alcohol.

So there you go. You have a drug that makes you feel buzzed or drunk that has no calories, no hang over, and wears off much quicker than regular alcohol and most club drugs.

Kids being a little clueless? I don't really understand your point of this post beside letting people on gc know that GHB is a drug "that makes you sleep whether you want to or not."

I don't see anyone having an argument about this? So I don't understand how you are saying people are putting their thoughts/beliefs out as actual facts. This is kind of a moot point. Mainly because of the difference between lab produced GHB (which is legal to produce) and street produced GHB - which most of the people in this thread are talking about.

In smaller doses you don't feel this "sleep factor." In fact people sometimes tend to get giddy and feel a little "upiddy" or whatnot. Perhaps the reason that it was also used as a body building agent to stimulate growth hormone release - which could also aid in fat reduction.

Another point - some countries are using GHB as a treatment drug for alcoholism because it has a tremendous ability to reduce alcohol withdrawal symptoms.

GHb adverse effects?

They are there. The biggest problem is that there is no forgiveness when it comes to dose.

Remember lesson 1. GHB is designed to put you to sleep. So if you take a little bit you feel good, if you take a little more you feel better, but if you take a little too much, you fall asleep.

If you are sitting down or lying down somewhere you are fine. Standing in a club you might very well fall over or start nodding off.

Mixing it with other central nervous system relaxants is another easy way to fall asleep. One plus one equals 2. Alcohol makes you tired and GHB makes you tired. Also, when you are out its normaly late and you are tired.

Fatigue will intensify the effects of alcohol or GHB or whatever.

Also, you don't know the strength of what you are taking. It generally mixed with something else so it could be one gram per ounce or four grams per ounce. And remember: it has very little dose forgiveness. If you take too much you are going to fall asleep.

I just said what you stated in my follow-up post.

This is the single reasone why I don't understand how people can do the shit? They buy it on the street, they have NO IDEA how potent the stuff could be.....forget that.

James, are you trying to imply that GHB is NOT bad for you? :confused: I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just a little confused.

True, but my I had other points to what I was trying to say. I was actually looking for information while I was posting and had no idea you posted a follow-up.

I don't think you have the right to call people clueless. Mainly because I don't see the debates surrounding this "sleep factor" that you made a point to highlight. Yes, your post was informative, but you gotta give people some credit as to what the know or not. I haven't read about anyone pushing their opinions or experiences off as data in this thread.

I don't know much about GHB, mainly because I don't use it and I haven't really cared about what ti does. It has a horrid reputation for being a "date rape" drug and that's all I need to know. It just sounds like a nasty drug.

Clueless seems harsh, but there is a lot of false information being posted, some mixed with truth and what can happen is that people will sense that false information is false and hurt themselves because they will ignore real risks.

Hence the comment about intellectual irresponsibility. Like some of Uf_pikes information is way off . . and could be harmful, or ignore the real harm.

GHB and its analogues are less harmful to you when put into your body than alcohol or even marijuana, but the results can be more extreme if you are out and about.

So for example: alcohol can push you into unconsciousness but it will take several drinks to do it. With GHB we might be talking about ounces or mililiters.

Why are we talking about this?!?!
 

I am a little clueless about all of this talk about the whole GHB, what drugs we have tried, etc....

I am going to go out on a limb here and tell you guys something about myself.. First off I have been a Paramedic. I have seen what alcohol and drugs (ALL TYPES!!!) can do to you. People it isn't pretty!! I have seen when people just took one and haven't woken up. Their families were devastated. It was some of the saddest things I have had to deal with in my life. I hope that none of you ever, ever have to witness it. Let alone experience it personally.

As for GHB...I have had it put in my drink. I have woken up afterwards wondering what the hell a "friend"/neighbor did to me. It took me several hours to figure out what happened. Do you know how scarred you are when you finally realize why you wake up naked and bruised in your bed???? The last thing I can remember is taking a SIP of a Diet Coke and Captain Morgan's Rum. I know it was a sip, b/c I hate Diet Coke. Always have.

Before anyone asks, I didn't report it. I invited him in. I accepted the drink. I thought I was responsible. Yes, I saw him almost every day. We were neighbors. He finally moved. When I did see him again, he told me "boy we did have fun the last time we saw each other!" :eek:

So, again I ask, why are we discussing the GHB. The benefits, taking it, etc..... :confused:

Meredith

Maybe it would be helpful if people posted the sources from whence their info came. James, even though you are calling people clueless, who is to say that YOUR facts are indeed the accurate ones? Not saying they aren't, but it would behoove people to do their own research before believing anything they read on GC or anywhere else.

Anyway, it kinda goes without saying to take what UF_Pike posts with a grain of salt.

A few things:

I don't know how you can label someone clueless without knowing where they're coming from. I don't really think I said that I was a Dr., just what I knew from my experiences. Sometimes, experiences are more of a lesson than anything you'll read in a book. Now, this goes both ways. I think people who roll once and go, "I was fine, I'll base my knowledge on that and tell everyone X is good" is ignorant. Really ignorant. I have observed this kind of drug usage since my sophomore year in high school and I'm sharing what I know. Pike corrected me in the types of GHB, and while James can say that GHB is pharmeceutically made to put you to sleep, most of us have been talking about the street kind which is pretty different. Either way, until someone comes on here who has written a book on drug users or has a degree in pharmecology, I'm going to pretty much weigh what everyone says equally.

2nd, Bulllwinkle asked why we're talking about taking it, its benefits, etc. I didn't think this was a forum on weighing the benefits of GHB, but rather UF_Pike wanting to warn people about the effects. I may or may not believe his entire story (agreeing w/librasoul, take it w/a grain of salt) but I posted what I knew in response. That's a discussion. This is a discussion board. If you're going to question why people are talking about it, why are we talking about Houlihans? Or hating members of the opposite sex. I would think out of all threads, this one has a little bit more importance.

A voice of reason.

Look, I understand that this is a discussion board. I particpate in this discussion board, and read it daily. I am addicted to it and spend more than my fair share on it (when I should be doing homework or sorority work!)

My point that I am trying to make is this...I can't believe that people actually take this drug recreationally. Whether it be for fun, to stay up for work, whatever! I can't believe that some people are actually discussing whether this stuff harms you! I can tell you from experience, IT DOES!! Physically and mentally. It affected me in my personal relationships with my friends, family and romantic relationships. Jeez, I haven't been able to have a long-term relationship since then. And it has been almost four years.

PLEASE!!! Just realize this, this is definitely not a drug to mess with. The recipe for it is easily found on the internet nowadays. The &$&(%&) who gave it to me got it from where he worked (he was a physician assistant). I don't and hope no one ever has to go through what I went through.

I just was shocked to see how some people were talking about it like they were. Maybe I should have walked away from Greekchat and taken some deep breaths before I posted. I am sorry for that. :(

Please understand where I was and am coming from in my feelings though.....

Fraternally.
Meredith

You see, I obviously wasn't clear enough. By saying that the drug is "meant" to put you to sleep I am presenting a different perspective on it.

If you take too much you will pass out. Simple enough. Its what the drug is supposed to do. A lot of people have gone to the ER for an expensive Nap because their friends panicked (justifiably) when they passed out.

ITs when you take it improperly that you get "high". See? Thats why it is so easy to "nooch out", G-Out or whatever the term is near you lol.

The street stuff is the same really because its so easy to make. But, you don't know the dose, or strength. Hence its much easier to "pass out"? See?

As to the different "types" of GHB out there Axjules, I don't understand. Uf_pike is not completely correct.

There are three popular types of "GHB".

Sodium based GHB. Which as he said, sucks ass in taste.

Potassium based GHB. Which also tastes like hell and is almost identical. Think for a second. "Salt Substitute" is a potassium product and is made for people looking to cut salt. It tastes the same as Salt. So its far from tasteless or whatever.

The third kind was a potassium/sodium combination.

GHB "analogues" are products that the body converts into GHB. There are two you need to be aware of:

GBL (Gamma Butyrolactone), which is converted in the liver by lactonase into GHB.

1, 4 butanediol which is converted in the liver by alcohol dehydronase the same enzyme that breaks down alcohol.

Most of the "GHB" in the club scene now is actually GBL mixed in juice or something.

Now, justa couple years ago they were selling GBL products over the counter.

These can be especially misleading. One: you don't know the strength. 1ml (mililiter) is roughly 1 gram of GBL. So how many ml have been mixed per ounce of fluid?

Also, GBL placed in fluid slowly begins to convert to GHB acid which actually hits you much harder, quicker, and stronger than straight GHB or GBL. Hence why sometimes people will be like: "That was soo strong".

There are some scientific inaccuracies here but its basically correct.

HEALTH ADVISORY ON ¡§GHB¡¨ AND RELATED SOLVENTS
JUNE 2002

SUMMARY

An increase in the number of drug overdoses has been observed at some clubs and parties over the past 12 to 18 months. Anecdotal information from MedEvent, a network of volunteer health professionals who provide medical services at dance events, suggests that approximately seven in ten overdose situations involve GHB or its analogs, usually in combination with other substances.

Substances sold and known alternatively as ¡§G,¡¨ ¡§Gina,¡¨ or ¡§Swirl¡¨ may, in fact, be one of three chemical solutions that have similar characteristics, but some important differences that can lead to undesirable effects or overdose. These chemicals are:

? GHB (gamma-hydroxybutyrate), a nervous system depressant
? GBL (gamma-butyrolactone), a lactone-based industrial solvent that is converted into GHB in the bloodstream
? B, BD, or BDO (1,4-butanediol), an alcohol-based solvent that is converted in the bloodstream first into GBL and then GHB

All three chemicals may be obtained in different concentrations and may be clear or tinted with food coloring. Without a great deal of knowledge, it is difficult to distinguish one liquid from the other by sight, smell or taste, although there are some differences. Each of the three chemicals varies with respect to potency. The difference between a mild euphoric effect and an overdose can be as little as a teaspoon of liquid, depending on the chemical and the concentration, and on other factors such as body weight and the amount of food in your stomach. All three substances magnify the effects of alcohol and some other drugs, including some sleeping pills, anti-anxiety drugs and other depressant type medications.

The Date-Rape Drug Prohibition Act of 2000 classifies both GHB and GBL as Schedule I drugs, the same legal status reserved for drugs such as cocaine, LSD and heroin. In New York, possession, manufacture or distribution of small quantities of these drugs can carry a prison term of up to life in prison. Some states, including California, have banned ¡§analogues¡¨ of GHB, which includes both GBL and B.

In light of these developments, the health and legal risks associated with use of GHB and its analogs are considerably higher now. In addition, the contingencies of providing for medical care at dance parties are costly and increasingly difficult to manage.

PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES

Those who choose to use GHB or related solvents may reduce the risk of overdose by taking precautionary measures:

- do not mix GHB/GBL/B with alcoholic beverages, sleeping pills or any prescription drugs in the benzodiazepines family, such as Xanax, Klonopin, Valium, Ativan, and Restoril; numerous deaths have been attributed to mixing these drugs
- do not assume that the right dose last time will be the right dose next time; concentrations vary from batch to batch; pre-measuring doses of known potency can reduce risk; avoid pouring from a container directly into a drink without measuring first
- allow more time to feel the effects; B-based solutions can take longer to hit you
- allow more time between doses; GBL and B remain in the body longer than GHB, and repetitive dosing will have a cumulative effect
- taking smaller doses can reduce the risk of overdose
- using the same supply might reduce the risk of getting different analogs with differing potencies, although this is not assured

Overdoses related to GHB and its analogs require careful observation by trained medical personnel and may require transport to a hospital. While some clubs and event promoters offer on-site medical assistance by volunteers as a service to their patrons, many do not. Emergency medical personnel are likely to transport patients who appear to be in a GHB-induced coma.

For these reasons and others, the Electric Dreams Foundation advises that, for their safety, patrons refrain from using GHB, GLB or B-based products at clubs and parties.

ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND

GHB was developed in 1961 as an anesthetic, but research in the U.S. was discontinued when the drug was found to have unwanted side effects. Throughout the 1980s, GHB was available at health food stores, most commonly used as a sleep aid or to enhance bodybuilding performance. Claims that GHB releases human growth hormone, however, are unsubstantiated.

In 1991, the FDA labeled GHB a ¡§dangerous drug¡¨ after receiving reports of adverse effects. Around 1998, manufacturers began distributing GBL and B-based products, which, at the time, were not banned. These products were sold as dietary supplements on the Internet under brand names such as Blue Nitro, RenewTrient, Revivarant, Enliven, and Serenity. Product labels can be misleading, cryptic or vague, sometimes referring to the active ingredient as ¡§2(3H)-Furanone di-hydro¡¨ or ¡§proprietary polyhydroxol complex.¡¨

Similarly, products based on B have been sold on the Internet as cleaning solvents under brand names such as Jet Clean, Pro-G, Thunder, and Mystic. The active ingredient may be labeled as butanediol, butane-1,4-diol, 1,4-butylene glycol, tetramethylene 1,4-diol 1,4-dihydroxybutane, 1,4-tetramethylene glycol, butylene glycol, or sucol-B.

Once ingested, GBL and B are converted into GHB. But GBL and B are metabolized differently. While GHB and GBL can take effect in 15 minutes or less, B usually takes longer to produce an effect, depending on body weight and how much food is in the stomach. The additional time involved can be anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes or more. Overdose may occur when someone who thinks they took ¡§G¡¨ actually took ¡§B¡¨ and, expecting to feel the effect in a short time, takes another dose.

There is no easy way to test a solvent-based drug to know which solvent is the active ingredient. GHB and GBL, in their most concentrated form, usually will not freeze if put in a household freezer. Any of the solvents will freeze, however, if diluted with enough water. Left standing, GHB and GBL solutions will separate, with the solvent settling to the bottom of the container. The liquid in the bottom of the container can be much more concentrated and, if ingested, produce a markedly stronger effect. Shaking the container will help to distribute the solvent more evenly in the container, and may reduce risk.

GHB is made by reacting GBL with water in a base of sodium hydroxide (lye) or potassium hydroxide. Sodium hydroxide and potassium hydroxide produce different concentrations of GHB. In controlled production, sodium-based GHB is about 10-15% stronger than potassium-based GHB. Uncontrolled production can result in a range of outcomes, some with potentially severe consequences. If the chemical reaction is incomplete, the final product may still contain lye, which can cause burning if swallowed.

Illegally manufactured GHB may contain contaminants such as heavy metals (e.g., lead), which can come from the equipment used to process the chemicals, or hydrochloric acid, which may be present in the pool cleaners, floor cleaners and industrial solvents that are used in the production of "G" products.

Undiluted, GHB has the consistency of syrup or cooking oil, although typically it is diluted with water. If diluted, the GHB may settle. GHB has been described as tasting somewhat ¡§salty.¡¨ GBL and B, in concentrated form, have a decidedly bitter taste.

Numerous cases of GHB, GBL, and B addiction have been documented, particularly where daily doses were taken as bodybuilding supplements or as a sleeping aid. In instances of GHB/GBL/B addiction, detoxification can be very serious and may require hospitalization. For more information about detoxification, see an article published in 2001 by the Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse, available as a downloadable PDF file at http://www.tcada.state.tx.us/researc...ithdrawal.pdf. For additional information about safer partying, and for additional informational links, visit www.partysafe.org on the web, or email EDFoundation@aol.com.

Recent changes in the supply and patterns of use of GHB and related solvents prompted this advisory by the Electric Dreams Foundation, a non-profit organization that promotes health and safety in the gay club/party subculture. PartySafe.org is an outreach program of the Electric Dreams Foundation. MedEvent is a volunteer network of medical professionals whose work is supported by the Electric Dreams Foundation.

I do not understand how this is even a topic????

Isn’t talking about the drugs you do just a little bit of bad PR for the Greek community and your house in general? I believe I am correct that every house has a drug and alcohol policy and most of the posts here are violating these policies.

I mean anyone can see pretty much what school you go to, what house you are in, and what your name is.

I just do not understand.

how about this -

Let's say you go to a bar with some friends, and someone (non-greek) slips some "liquid E" into your best pal's glass. Now, this is most likely (near-)commercial grade GBL - wouldn't it help to know exactly what the drug effects etc are?

That said - here's a MSDS for GBL:
Material Safety Data Sheet for GBL

Thanks
 

Much better. :)

Maybe I do not understand being a non-drug user but, I do understand seeing the benifits of hearing what you need to look out for and what happens if someone slips something into your drink.


Thanks.

GHb as a growth hormone releaser is not exactly a myth but has been over rated. For some reason, people do get leaner when taking GHB regularly, but it might have more to do with sleeping better.

IT does increase growth hormone dramatically in the body, however, it also increases a hormone called prolactin that counter acts the growth hormone effect.

Curiously, after the big push to pull it off the market and make it ilegal a perscription version immediately came out.

The difference in price? What was 35 dollars now sells for about 1200 dollars and is not something your insurance will cover lol.

There is always an agenda.

Look you idiot, What I had mixed up before I left this weekend was the sodium and potassium ghb.......The chicks who posted in this thread were more off than what I was.


It's obvious you know very little about this stuff. If you don't have any important info to give, shut your mouth.

I was off about the salty flavor from the potassium ghb. That was it. It we start to criticize the girls in this thread about all their false information, they'll get all bent out of shape.

I really don't care if you believe the story about my friend or not. It freaked me out to see a friend in a coma for 5 days because of G...whether or not it was GBL or whatever is irrelevant. I don't like Librasoul22 anyhow. I shared something that is sometimes a regular thing that occurs to people I know. But what happened to that girl was no G hole....that b!tch was in a fuggin COMA......no G hole lasts 5 days.



As for rollin......people who say they've heard of people dying from rolling have some sort of bad info. First off, the people who die didn't take X.....they probably took one of it's imitators.....most likely sold as X from a cheap a$$ dealer. About the only thing that can happen to you is that you get a little too hot and sweat kinda bad if you're in a club. Naturally your body tells you when you need water and so you just get something to drink. Sure doctors and people in the medical field will tell you otherwise....but hell, the docotrs didn't even believe us when we told them that my friend had taken GHB. They let her sit in a coma for an extra two days before they took our advice and treated her as a GHB overdose patient. They said they ran tests but didn't find G in her system...despite us telling them. Finally they treated her for what we said and "amazingly" she came out of her coma. With that said, I have a hard time trusting doctors when it comes to drug problems.

I've had many experiences rollin, too many to count. I first took it when i was 16, in 96. In south florida it was real popular for the longest time. 97,98,99 and part of 2000 I was on my binges periodically. I don't see anything wrong with it except that it's a hard drug. In that I mean that it's not something you do carelessly, like weed. You can't roll ALL the time. You have to give your body a break. It does do a number on your immune system. I can't remember the last time I started dating a chick before we rolled together. In fact 3 of my friends are going through that same pre relationship test with their girls right now. Some people like it, some don't. It's kinda like weed......some peopel hate it, saying it makes them paranoid and how they think people are talking about them all the time. Other people love weed. If I had a drug of choice, rollin was it for a long time. The same went for my crew as well as the chicks who hung out with us. In one aspect it kinda sucked having huge rollin parties in Gainesville because many people knew about all the $hit we did, especially when some in our crew started failing NCAA drug tests and got suspended from football games. Phi Mu Nursie knows one particualr person whos a best friend of mine, who she had a class with and who got in a little trouble. Yet, i don't regret anything I've done.

As for the friend who said he can't mix unless he's rollin.....That dudes a crackhead.....Why? Because just about every type of electronic music sounds ok when you're blowing up ( Except drum and bass). He probaly thinks it sounds really well and the tracks are in sync, but odds are their not. Most superstar dj's will tell you it's insane to try to mix while doing X, coke and weed is a different story however.....

As you get older I wouldn't recommend rollin. It has it's time. Every once in awhile it's ok....I won't say the last time I did it, but this past weekend I ended up calling my now ex lady and broke up with her. I can't do that type of stuff when I drink because if we start fighting i become an asshole, doing something else makes it much easier and I'm really nice. Infact, I'm the nicest person you'll ever meet in that state. I'm always curteous, asking if everyones ok....seeing if anyone needs some water. Making sure people can drive ok. If people need a change of clothes, I give it to them. I always let people borrow money if they need it. If anyone has a particualr type of music they like, I play it for them instead of telling them to shut the phuck up. I'm the one who normally runs to the store at 6:00am for gatorade and smokes so that no one else has to drive. I think thats the reason why chicks want to date after we do that crapp together. When they first meet me they see this bad a$$ attitude, but atfer a night of fun pills they see there's a sweet and caring side as well. After that I'm busted and so I can't act like $hit don't phase me all the time. It's kinda wierd. Anyhow, I honestly believe the good and bad exp you have with rollin, or any drug for that matter, has to do with the enviroment you're in at the time and those around you. If it's not a comfortable enviroment and there are some people around you're not totally comfortable with, you might not have a good exp. I'm by no means telling peopel to go out and do this...but I am giving you one version of the whole rolling ordeal. I'm sure there are others who will disagree with me and tell you the exact opposite.