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That issuse with Kobe Bryant got me to thinking... What do you all think about whites joing black soror/frat. Cause I know a white Omega who married a white Delta. Just curious.

I was not aware you could do that. I wonder, did they have a hard time being accepted and respected in their organization?

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Oh!!!1 man, without sounding corny, I must say that sometimes people's habits, likes and dislikes make them black or white. I am close with this soror who happens to be Italian. The night I met her she was as mean as mean can be tome. After I crossed we became really close. It is the way they feel about themselves and your org. what is going to attract them to it. I really don't care. If I see youhave something to offer and can benefit from the org., YOU ARE IN. (OF COURSE AFTER...) HE HE!!!

ALSO: I don't know how many of youwent to Phily last year or to NYc step show. There are these few members of PHI BETA SIGAM Fraternity- THE SHOW WAS CRAZY HOT- They came out with masks- After they did their thing, the guys take off the mask and- like 2 or 3 or them were white. One I met in Phily and he was from South Carolina. The Sigmas I was with gave him crazy love. I guess it depends on the people and how the person carries him/herself.
Moral of the story is: DOES IT REALLY MATTER?

I AM SOOOO SORRY FOR THE TYPE-O:

PHI BETA SIGMA FRAT. that is
SORRY!!!!

UMMMMMMMMMMMm...... I guess I better leave this one alone...............I will say this though one of the reasons BGLOS were founded for BLACK college students that needed someone else to identify with them(on white campuses) because they were not ALLOWED in white greek organizations adn because they were consantly harassed at white schools by other whites and made to feel like outcast. By joining a BGLO they gained acceptance amonst each other and it made their college life a little easier. Instead of going off completely into my feelings on this I will just pose a different ques. If you form an organization for BLACK people wouldn't it kind of defeat the purpose if you allow a WHITE person to join? Just a question?

OH SORRY FOR THE TYPOS. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THOUGHT. WOULDN'T ALLOWING A WHITE PERSON JOIN AN ORGANIZATION CREATED FOE BLACK PEOPLE BE JUST LIKE ALLOWING A ZETA JOIN THE AKAS ALTHOUGH THAT ORG WAS CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM?

Pretty- FIRST THING FIRST- I AM NOT ATTACKING YOU~ but... comparing allowing a Zeta into AKA is not, in my opinion, the best of analogies- I mean- AKA was not make for AKA, it was made for Ladies who thought theyhad what it takes. You are not born one, YOU MUST EARN IT AND BECOME ONE- Of course I know the history that led to the formation of these orgs., yet, living in the past won't help at all. Hell yeah, I do allI cana to help fellow "minorities" - Hell yes maybe some of them might understand certain things but... I AM NOT WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDERE BLACK- In fact I wasn't even born in the US. You would never know this about me just by looking at me. Sooo, does this mean I am not Black? I am sure many of our founders formed our respective orgs. to uplift us and help the community, to make us closer to one another, but don't you think that we would be reapeting the same ignorant act by segretaing non-Blacks?
I mean, just my 22 cents.
HOlla back tell me what you think- Maybe you can chance or re-shape some of my ideas.
PEACE LADY!!!!!!!!!!
And remember- We have agreed to disagree, but not to disrespect each other- I LEARN THAT FROM YOU!!!!!!!! HE HE!! Later lady.

No, it doesn't defeat the purpose. You don't have to be a specific color to uplift the African American Community. True enough it helps A LOT to have a similar historical bond, but it's not necessary.

Be aware that somewhere in the thousands on women that are AKAs, there are non-African American members...as a matter of fact, a very close Soror of mine watched a Caucasian AKA graduate from Texas Tech this year. There are Caucasian Deltas, I'm sure there are a few Caucasian Zetas and SGRho's too.

IF a Caucasian woman has the conviction to survive the heavy grilling she's likely to be subjected upon applying to a BLGO, especially seeing, as you said, we were founded to fill a need in our communities, AND she fulfills our other requirements, then I say more power to her.

As for Cutiepie2000's statement: "Yes, it is true that BGLO were founded because at one time, black students were not permitted to join what was then "white" fraternities and sororities. However, times are changing all the time."

The times have not changed all that much (true, we're not where we were, but we're not where we should be either), because there is still a dire NEED for the organizations founded for and by African Americans.


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Kelli
12-DN-94
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I have no problem with non African American members. As long as they work as hard for Zeta as all of the other members, than it is fine!

GFK>I am willing to bet you saw the 'Unknown' Sigmas step. And yes girl, they throw down!

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LMAO!!! they are the bomb but they should change their show at least a little....i remember seeing that show in 1996 and it's still going strong!



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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

Just curious...who are the "unknown Sigmas"?

The Unknown Sigmas are a group of members of Phi Beta Sigma, who travel around the country and participate in various stepshows. Any money they win goes to charities/programs that PBS sanctions.

ZetaAce

PrettyGirl, I don't think that would be the scenario. Although originally (and I know someone has already said this) we could not join predominately white sororities and fraternities, we can now, if we choose to. And, there are those of us who do. Just as we don't expect them to discriminate against those of us that join GLOs, we shouldn't discriminate either. Everyone will have their own opinions on this, and there are those of us who will never agree on this issue, but I personally do not have a problem with non African Americans that join BGLOs.

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Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised... Proverbs 31:29-30

Well........everyone is titled to their own opinion. At my school there are no whites in any of the bglos on the yard. As I have stated in other post I am going to attempt my journey into greekland in the new school year. If I am honered with a selection I must say in all the years I live and serve the sorority I chose I would not EVER vote for a white girl to become a part of it. If I was to run into a white girl that was a member I would not say bad things to her or be ouright rude nor would i question her sisterhood or devotion to the sorority but at the same time I just would not feel the same love for her as I would with a black woman. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE AS I SAID BEFORE, I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO DEAL WITH them IF I DO NOT HAVE TO! i CHOOSE NOT TO FORM CLOSE ASSOCIATIONS WITH THEM(SUCH AS A BOYFRIEND) I know that Blacks join glos and hell i am sure some white people question that as i do. I mean if it is really okay for this to happen then why even bother with the distinction at all. Why not consider all of them as just glos. Why separate them and even call them bglos when there are white people in them? Why do they have separate councils Hence:PHC AND NPHC! I mean some preach the intergration of them yet they are still it most ways seprated in most things they do. What makes a white person want to join a bglo(or vice versa) in th efirst place? (as opposed to a glo) What happens to the bglos when white people begin to join in large numbers? What happens if there are more of them than of you? What happens when they begin to hold offices such as president? Wouldn't that change the way they are run? It can happen! I know that the founders of the bglos never intended for a White person to join their orgs. much less be president. This is possible if they continue to join. I mean some things are best left as is every part of our lives does not have to be intergrated. What can we have that is our own anymore? Is intergration really better? Or is just the things we now have access to that is better? Imagine if we were segregated completely from white people again except we had all the things they had still (good jobs and schools etc.) How many of you would really want to go and be with them. I beleive that it is not white people we want to be closer to it is access to a equal chance at life period! Since WE still do not have that at all why is everyone so okay with them having access to the few things we started for ourselves. It is not racism for us to want to keep the few things we have to just us it is just pride and the good feeling of us having something of our own. TO ANY WHITE PERSON WHO READS THIS AND SAYS WELL IF WE WANTED TO KEEP CERTAIN THINGS TO OURSELVES WE WOULD BE CALLED RACIST...........I SAY TO ME THAT IS NOT TRUE! I could give a dam careless if white people did not want me to join their org.! We had to go through so much to gain memebership into their glos(and everyhthing else they controlled) why are we always so dam accepting of them in our shit? These are just my feelings. I will never change the way I feel about topics such as this no matter what anyone says. I am not trying to change anyone else feeling s either. I have always felt this way and my feelings have only grown stronger as I have grown up in this world! To Ghostface: I do not know what your nationality is but there are so amny other minorities who have and are suffering at the hands of white people. The ques. was asked about white people. My feelings are exspressed about them. You say you are not black but that does not mean you are white. There was a comment made about Jewish people and also and Italian. With all due respect to those nationalties in most situations today WHITE IS WHITE!!!!!!!! Much love to all my people of color! REMEMBER "OLD HABITS NEVER DIE"

sorry for the typos , but it is late as hell!

"Free your mind, and the rest will follow.
Be color blind, don't be so shallow."

En Vouge

Prettygyrl-
I really hope the sorors at your school know the way you truly are. You are not even a member of a sorority and yet you have already decided who you will let in? That is truly shallow and NOT what the greek community stands for. You really need to grow up and learn to accept people. I'm sure you are going to go into sorority recruitment hoping to be accepted by a sorority that you will fit into. What if the sorors have already decided that they don't like you based on your skin shade, or choice in roommates or some other stupid basis? You would be pretty mad that they judged you before meeting you. Your type of attitude is not needed in a greek organization. I hope that you don't treat people in person the way you talk about them on an anonymous chat board.

My sands is white....he was the rock of our line back in 97.

I agree with the whole shallow bit. How dare you criticize who will and who will not be picked up? You dont need to be picked up thwe way your mindset is. How are you going to handle the pressure of being in a greek lettered organization when you dont have the open mindset about skin color....If i was the vote committee..you will get the rock. Oh yeah, the rock is something that we in the organizations give to people who display immarturity, disrespect, or any other bull that will hender the progress of our people.

Prettygyrl

I agree with you 100%.

I personally don't have a problem with non-African Americans joining BGLOs. I feel that as long as they understand that one of purposes of the organizations being founded was/is for the upliftment of the African American society as a whole. I feel that if they can truly say that they want to be a part of that, then why not. That's just my $19.13! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks Crimson Ambitions I love it when people understand whats real. As far as the other comments. SHALLOW is what you all are for buying into that everyone is treated equal bullshit!!! True Alot of Black people may feel that it should be that way but we are not the deciding factors "they" are!!!!! Just because some of them treat ya nice does not mean they feel they are your equal! Anyway as I have said MANY times before I speak my mind so by all means everyone speal yours say what you will about me I just feel bad for ya when the truth hits ya in the face!! As far as me not getting accepted into the BLACK soroity that i want to go in because of the color of my skin ummmmmmm I am not worried about that cause ya know I am BLACK. In the sorority I want to join trust me on my campus they all feel the way i do about this topic because we have discussed it many times before!!!!!!

Like I said on a post earlier, my rock is not black and she still love and respects my org as much as anyone (if not more). I do understand the fact that we don't want to loose the foundation of our org. but we have to realize that there are people who are not black who still love what we stand for.

I have a quick question for MEMBERS of the fabulous four sororities of the NPHC.

With the exception of Sigma Gamma Rho, all the sororities were founded at Howard University, a historically black college. I understand that we could not join white sororities at the time, but the whole theory about us never being excepted into these existing sororities makes me wonder because there were no whites on that particular campus to reject them. I thought they were founded to assist in the betterment of black people and for ladies with a common interest to get together. Maybe it's a combination of both inability and the realization of the need for change?

Please inform me.



[This message has been edited by Poplife (edited June 05, 2000).]

To Prettygyrl:

You mentioned that if you were in a historically black greek letter organization, you would never vote for a "white" person......I am curious to know how you would feel if you had a line sister that was "white"? You have no choice in who your line sisters are. Secondly, you say that you know how the members on your campus feel because you have talked with all of them...but remeember a chapter is simply that, a chapter, it is not the entire sorority. Let me tell you that if you do join an NPHC sorority, NO MATTER WHICH ONE, you WILL have "white" Sorors. On that note I would seriously reconsider wanting to join one because how could you join an organization with which you disagree with their policies and don't like some of their current members? Finally, the democratic process is how things are run in most sororities, so just because you vote "no" doesn't mean that everyone else will......as it seems on this discussion, your opinion on this matter is not the majority......I did notice that one of your supporters is CrimsonAmbitions...I will assume that you are interested in my sorority, in that case I would rethink my decision because Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. does not decide upon its members by the color of their skin.....please read up on your history, in particular the contributions of Soror Mary Church Terrell. Finally, I will tell you that no I am not white and no I am not black. My chapter recently had its 25th anniversary and I met many of my Sorors including founders....let me tell you that my line made history in my chapter, it was the first time we crossed someone that was not black. And let me tell you, it is definately a history that we are proud of...look forward to your replies

That was absolutely well said.
I whole-heartedly agree

Why doesn't the idea of our (AKA, DST and Zeta) Founders wanting a Sorority for us make sense to you? Think about the times. The Civil War had ended only 43 years before the founding of AKA. It was rare to find an African-American Woman pursuing a college education. It was even more rare for women to earn their degrees as many had to leave to take care of newly acquired husbands and families. We may not have been founded expressly because we could not hold memberships in established sororities, but I'm sure they knew the day we would was a long time coming. Our Founders were VISONARY in that and may other respects. It was NECESSARY because our Founders, God Bless their legacy, knew they wanted their vision to grow BEYOND Howard and on to predominantly Caucasian colleges & universities, and as we stand now, the world.



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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12dn94dst:
I've followed this discussion and its very interesting. I agree with what my soror 12dndst said. I think Poplife question was if there was if there are African American sororities on campus why weren't we accepted into them. People were accepted into African-American Sororities that were founded at Howard (AKA, DST and Zeta). Each group formed because their founders (AKA, DST, and Zeta) had a common vision which is the betterment of African-American communities but a different emphasis or programs to get there.

YOU ASKED HOW I WOULD FEEL IF I WAS ONLINE WITH A WHITE GIRL? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT AT MY SCHOOL. BELEIVE IT OR NOT WE ALL GET ALONG BUT WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HAPPILY SEGREGATED! YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WHITE WOMEN IN MY SORORITY OF CHOICE! IF I MAKE IT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT ONE GREEK ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT IS...........EVERY FRIEND IS NOT A SOROR AND EVERY SOROR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!!!! OK

Prettygyrl:
I have been reading many of your posts and you sure have a lot to say about greek life and how you are going to be if you become greek. I find it very interesting that you are so sure of how it will be. As is the name of this topic, I have become Curious to know which school you attend. Anyhow, I too had been told the same thing about "Every friend is not your Soror and every Soror is not your friend"; however, I took that as one Sorors words to me and digested them for myself and came away with my own meaning. (I think this is important in being an independent thinker). Since I am a great fan of logic, here is my argument. I agree with the first part of the statement that not every friend will be my Soror, for example my husband will never be my Soror just as none of my male friends will be, same goes for my mother or any childhood friends I have who joined other organizations (you get my point). However the second statement is not so clearcut in its interpretation. "Every Soror is not my friend" can be a true fact because I do not know all of my Sorors; therefore, they cannot all be my friends. Of course, this leads to a discussion about friendship that I will not go into. However, since you used this quote as an answer to my question of having "white" Sorors, I know that you did not interpret this statement quite so literally. Therefore, let me address it the way you meant for me to address it. "Every Soror is not your Friend" is an ATTITUDE. It can be a defensive attitude or an offensive attitude. I choose to have this attitude in a defensive way. By this I mean that I do not meet a Soror and right away she is my friend. It takes time for that relationship to develop. I think this advice was given to me by my Soror because she had been disappointed by her idealism. However, I know that she did not tell me this in order to for me to discriminate against other Sorors, rather she and I both welcome the opportunity to get to know new Sorors.
It seems to me that you have chosen to adopt
this attitude in an offensive way, by this I mean determining in advance that there are some people that are not worthy of being your frined and are only your "Soror" in name or in public. Your reason for not feeling the person worthy of your friendship is because she is "white". Considering your strong anti-hazing stance, how would you feel if a Soror didn't feel you were worthy of her friendship because you were "paper".
There are some who choose to adopt this attitude toward their Sorors for a number of reasons: they are "white", they are "paper", they pledged "Alumnae Chapter", they didn't pledge at an "HBCU", they didn't pledge at "Howard", they didn't pledge in my "Region" etc....The list goes on and on.
Again, I am quite intrigued to the extent of your relationship with the members of your sorority of choice at your school. They seem to discuss a lot of things with you. One more question......do you feel the same way about all non-black people or just white people? Again, I look forward to your response.

Actually distinguished I do not claim to know what "greek life" would be like. I speak of how "I" would conduct myself if I am honored with the chance to become greek. I can only control my actions. Alot of people who read my post take it the way they want to instead of the way it is. At the same time I am greatful for those who understand what I am saying. Some people insist on wanting to make what I say out to be a "i hate white people" type of deal! I have never said that! BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL RELATONSHIPS AMONG BLACKS AND WHITES! I HAVE SAID THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD BE A APART OF AN BGLO! I DO NOT HAVE TO BE "GREEK" TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT "GREEKS". SO YOU CAN STOP BEGINNING TOUR POST WITH "FOR YOU NOT TO BE GREEK" OKAY! I KNOW I AM NOT GREEK AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT. I STILL LOVE THE BGLOS. I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR AND WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED FOR US! YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME GREEK ORGS OUT THERE THAT ARE RACIALLY MIXED ACROSS THE BOARD! AND HEY THAS COOL! BUT THERE ARE SOME "WHITE" GREEK ORGS WHO HAVE NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM OR JUST A FEW BLACKS! I GUARANTEE YOU THAT ALOT OF THEM LIKE THEIR ORGS TO REMAIN AS WHITE AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN THE ONLY REASON THEY LET BLACKS IN IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THE LAW SAID THEY HAD TO! IN ALL ACUALITY THAT IS THE ONLY REASON BGLOS DID IT! I MEAN BE REAL WITH YOURSELF, IF THE LAW DID NOT MANDATE THE SEGREGATION OF THESE ORGS DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD BE! IF THEY WERE COMPLETELY SEGREGATED I AM SURE THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE TO FUCNTION JUST FINE! BECAUSE SEGRAGATION IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER, IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT WORKKOUT IN SOME INSTANCES! IF YOUR A WHITE PERSON OR A BLACK PERSON ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS AND THERE ARE BLGOS AND GLOS ON CAMPUS AND THE BLACK PERSON JOINS A WHITE GREEK ORG. AND THE WHITE PERSON A BLACK ORG. I HAVE TO WONDER WHY? WHY WOULD A WHITE PERSON PLEDGE A BGLO AS OPPOSED TO A WHITE ONE. DOES THAT PERSON REALLY FEEL AS IF THEY IDENTIFY MORE WITH BLACK PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO WHITE? THIS WORKS BOTH WAYS! I MEAN PEOPLE CAN COME IN THESE FORUMS AND SAY THEY FEEL THIS WAY OR THAT WAY ALL DAY LONG BUT I BET THAT MEMBERS OF BGLOS WHO SEE BLACKS IN THE OPPOSTIE ORG WHEN THEY HAD THE CHOICE, WONDER WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT? I MEAN WHAT IS THE REAL MEANING BEHIND IT? NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ASSOCIATION AMONGST THE TWO RACES BUT, WHAT WAS RIGHT ABOUT A WHITE ORG TO A BLACK PERSON AS OPPOSED TO A BGLO? AND VICE VERSA! YOU CAN LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A WHITE PERSON YOUR WHOLE LIFE! WHETHER IT IS IN A RICH NEIGHBOR HOOD OR A POOR ONE. YALL COULD EVEN BE FRIENDS ALL YOUR LIFE BUT AS YOU GROW UP YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU STILL IDENTIFY WITH YOUR PEOPLE MORE AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG HANG OUT AND EVEN CALL THEMSELVES FRIENDS WITHOUT ONE ATTEMPTING TO SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO THE OTHERS CULTURE. ARE YA FEELING ME YET? SHALL I BREAK IT DOWN MORE! A WHITE GIRL AND I COULD BE FRIENDS WITHOUT HER DATING BLACK GUYS OR ME DATING WHITE GUYS OR ME JOINING AN WHITE ORG OR HER JOINING A BLACK ONE. THAT IS WHERE INTERGRATION BECOMES A PROBLEM! THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT BY SEGRGATION IS SOMETIMES BETTER! FOR ME, IT IS NOT ABOUT ME HATING THEM OR THEM HATING ME! IT IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT TRYING TO IMITATE THE OTHER! AS I SAID BEFORE I HAVE WHITE GIRLS THAT I AM COOL WITH AND EVEN SOME IN MY FAMILY! BUT THEY ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THESE THINGS! I DO NOT BITE MY TONGUE! MY BROTHER IS WITH A WHITE GIRL, I TALK TO HER, GO OUT WITH HER, AND EVERYTHING! SHE KNOWS I DO NOT LIKE INTERRACIAL DATING AND SO DOES HE! BUT I CAN NOT CHOOSE HIS LOVE LIFE FOR HIM AND I AM NOT IGNORANT TO WHERE I WOULD EVER DISOWN HIM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! I POST IN THIS FORUM AND EXSPRESS MY FEELINGS AS I EXSPRESS THEM TO PEOPLE I SEE EVERDAY. STILL THEY WILL CHOOSE THEIR PATH AND I MINE! I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MY BROTHER IS NOT UP ON HIS HISTORY NOR IS SHE AND IF THEY CAN GO THROUGH LIFE THAT WAY THEN THAT IS A DECISION THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH. WOULD I HAVE RATHER MY BROTHER BE WITH A BLACK WOMAN HELL YEA! IS HE, HELL NO! AND LIFE GOES THE FUCK ON! I WILL NEVER DATE A WHITE MAN NOR WILL I EVER FEEL LIKE A WHITE PERSON SHOULD BE A PART OF THE BGLOS(OR VICE VERSA)! IF YOU FEEL OTHERWISE THEN THAT IS YOU. IF I CROSS INTO MY SORORITY OF CHOICE AND COME ACROSS A WHITE SOROR, I CAN'T LOVE HER LIKE MY SISTER AND NO ONE CAN MANDATE THAT I DO! AND IF YOU ARE GREEK OR FOR WHO EVER IS GREEK AND MAY COME ACROSS WHITE PEOPLE IN YOUR ORGS AND YOU EMBRACE THEM WITH LOVE THEN I CAN NOT MANDATE THAT YOU DON'T! WE LIVE AND WE LEARN AND I WILL CONTINUE TO HOPE AND PRAY THAT EVERYONE LEARNS. IF A BLACK PERSON CAN LOVE A WHITE PERSON WITH THE SAME DEEP LOVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE FOR ME THEN I HAVE TO QUESTION JUST HOW MUCH YOU REALLY LOVE ME?

Prettygyrl,
There seems to be a good bit of anger in your posts, especially your most recent one. FYI, GLOs became integrated (if only on a chapter basis) before BGLO's did...if I'm not mistaken, didn't a black woman pledge Sigma Kappa during the 1940's? I understand that you're not greek, and I was speaking from a position similar to yours recently, but there seems to be a lot of anger in your posts, especially those regarding interracial relationships. You may not approve of them, and you may not approve of whites or non-blacks joining BGLO's, but this has been going on since before your time, and it will be going on after your time. Also, how are you so sure that you won't have a non-black line sister? Even if you are planning on attending an HBCU, I know plenty of non-black members of Greek organizations, who pledged at HBCU's. Also, just because a person pledges an organization with which you do not agree doesn't mean they want to be black. It just means (in my case, at least), that they did the research, understood their campus climate, and decided the sorority/fraternity in which he/she felt the most comfortable, and would be able to make the most impact. It's really not in your best interest to criticize people who do pledge BGLO's (or don't), or those who choose to follow their hearts in an interracial relationship. Good luck with your first year of college.

Well, prettygirl, since you are so strong in your beliefs about whites in BGLO's, i will not try to change your mind. But, I do have a question. I am biracial (black and white), a product of an interracial couple. SInce you disagree with interracial mixing, do you disagree with biracial people joining a BGLO, because i plan to. And if you say yes, what makes this any different? Your mind is filled with much arrogance and ignorance. I think that when you discuss interacial mixing as a bad thing, you go very deep and insulting to people of all cultural decents. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was some white blood in you somewhere. Now, whats your reply? I look forward to it.

PRETTYGIRL!!!
Sorry ou feel some of my fellow greeks attack you but, many times it is the way you say things and not what you say. As a member of a BGLO, I have totell you that it has turned to be an experience. I am fascinated with the mixture of my org. My dean was Puerto Rican, My ADP Dominican and the of the Sorors in the chapter African Americans. We had nooo type of beef and when there was it was not over race nor color. If you see me, you would never guess I am not "BLACK" Damn baby girl!!!! just think, what if youget to college and half of the ladies in the org. you want to join are not BLACK? How you feel if they decided you are not "something enough (pretty, smart, hard working, or whatever) even before you get to show what youhave to offer? I would never try to change you ideas, but I would try to educate you and allow youtomake your choice. Why is it wrong for Rocker (the baseball player) to express himself the way he does, but it is ok for us minority? WE cannot expect a change if we don't start it ourselves.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!STOP LICKING AT THE SKIN. MOST PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO OFFER THAN A DARK, FAIR, or WHITE skin color.
FREE YOUR MIND.... Great things are to come to you. Have you ever wonder of all the interesting people we don't allow ourselves get to know because of their color?

Alpha Chi Girl um everything you said I have responded to over and over again! In different forums and this one. oh yea and I AM not angry at all are you?............elboogie my response to you is that i half expect you to defend intteracial anything cause thats what you are! SO YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHY I FEEL SO DEEP ABOUT MY RACE CAUSE THAT IS WHAT I AM!I do have a friend though that is mixed her mother is white. She has lived he whole life with her white mother and SHE hates to see a Black man with a white woman. oh and there is NO white in me! I have traced my family history dear so if I missed something then it is way down the line somewhere! Even if it is some I had no control over that, I am sure that most Black people have some white traces in them after all THE SLAVE MASTERS DID RAPE THE BLACK WOMEN NOW DIDN'T THEY? THAT IS HOW IT STARTED ANYWAY RIGHT! I REALLY DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU CALLING ME IGNORANT CAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT ABOUT ME! IF YOU CAN NOT DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT MY VIEWS ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS THEN I GUESS YOU ARE THE IGNORANT ONE! GHOSTFACE.......I am cool I do not really care if someone call themselves being hard on me I really do not care what they think! Unfortunately SOME STILL MISUNDERSTAND AND KEEP SAYING THAT I AM ANGRY OR I HATE WHITE PEOPLE ETC. ETC. SO I WILL CLOSE OUT OF THIS ONE AS WELL SAYING......THAT I AM VERY CONTENT ACTUALLY BUT I DO GET A LITTLE UPSET SOMETIMES WHEN I COME ACROSS CERTAIN SITUATIONS BUT FOR THE MOST PART I AM HAPPY! YALL THE ONE GETTING ANGRY. MY FEELINGS ARE AUTHENTIC. NO ONE CAN SHAKE THEM OR CHANGE THEM. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS DISCUSSING THESE THINGS WITH ANYONE FACE TO FACE NO MATTER WHAT RACE! IN THE CLASSROOM I EXSPRESS THEM. ON MY JOB I EXSPRESS THEM!SO COMING HERE AND EXSPRESSING THEM IS NO PROBLEM! I JUST FEEL THAT NOW IT IS SAID AND DONE WITH. FOR ME ANYWAY. I MEAN WE HAVE HAD THREE DIFFERENT FORUMS ON THIS STUFF. THEY ALL GETTING THE SAME RESPONSES IT IS VERY REDUNDANT! I AM NOT ANGRY WITH ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME. NO ONE SHOULD BE ANGRY WITH ME! I MEAN DAM WE ARE ALL FACELESS PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM SO WHY GET UPSET! I ADMIT I DID NOT LIKE IT WHEN THAT GIRL CALLED ME IGNORANT BUT SINCE I DO NOT KNOW HER WHY EVEN SWEAT IT? I HAVE ENJOYED MY TIME IN THESE PARTICULAR FORUMS I LEARNED A FEW THINGS. IN READING MOST OF THE RESPONSES TO ME, I LEARNED THAT MY BELIEFS ARE STILL FOR ME AND MOST PEOPLE IN HERE JUST HELPED ME BELEIVE IN THEM MORE. SO I GUESS I WILL SEE SOME OF YOU IN A NEW FORUM!

like i've said previously---prettygyrl-go get a life or a job or something. you are as ignorant as they come.

In prettygyrl's defense. . .

I am a white woman, an alum of a "white" sorority, but that is MY prefrence. This is all about opinions and prefrences people. If Prettygyrl has her opinions, that is FINE. Nobody said you had to agree with her. The reason I am commenting on this, I scan these forums and from what I've seen, every post is directed toward prettygyrl, and frankly, not all of them are so nice. I have stated my comments before, and if you have read what I have written, then you know that I don't agree with prettygyrl's statements. HOWEVER--I do respect her will and her mind. It goes for both sides of the argument, it is time to start being respectful. If you can't have a decent conversation and respect other's opinions, then you shouldn't be posting. Prettygyrl has a right to her own opinion--as does everyone. Treat each other with the respect that you would like for yourself.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited June 12, 2000).]