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Another reason Lambda Chis hate Sig Eps
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Fraternity violates recruitment rules By Shelley Saltzman Layout Editor January 15, 2003 Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity received a $5,000 fine after allegedly violating Interfraternity Council rules for recruitment last week. IFC also limited the number of bids the fraternity was able to extend to potential members to 30. The punishment comes after Ryan Jacobson, an official from Sigma Phi Epsilon national headquarters, discovered members of the Lambda Chi fraternity and several potential members at a party at the Doubletree Hotel, sources within both houses reported. According to SMU's IFC recruitment rules, fraternity members are forbidden from having contact with potential members after 10 p.m. These rules also stipulate that potential members should "never receive alcohol from the chapter, its members, or other individuals at any time." According to sources, Jacobson, who was in town to supervise the Sig Ep recruiting process and staying at the Doubletree, accidentally exited the hotel elevator on the wrong floor. There he came across a party in progress where he recognized some of the potential members from recruitment week activities. He alerted the hotel management of the minors in possession of alcohol and immediately notified Jim Barber, coordinator of student activities and fraternity programs. Lambda Chi now faces judicial sanctions from the SMU judicial board. "Sigma Phi Epsilon [was] not at all associated with the party," said Jonathan Nerger, vice president of communications for Sig Ep. "No one in the SMU chapter of Sig Ep was involved with the party." The Lambda Chi Alpha chapter president could not be reached for comment by press time. |
Do you think you could change the title to this thread...it's not very interfraternal?
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this happens all of the time at our school concerning one sorority and their dirty rushing. however, they always get their way and a slap on the hand. if it was one of the other two sororities, our ass would be off campus by now.
it's gotten to the point that we don't care. they may get 20 girls through rush but by initiation time, they have 4. in the end, justice gets served. so, folks don't worry about the petty stuff. if someone is doing wrong, it will show in their numbers. just enjoy greek life. we ain't going nowhere. . .we can'ts be stopped. . .cause it's PHI SIG for life. . . |
I doubt that all Lambda Chis hate Sig Eps. Maybe I should go ask some of them when I go to lunch. :rolleyes:
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damn
I would hate them too. we have our own (to be unnamed) big glo rival here and they do similar stuff. I despise all those guys.
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I understand the idea of frustration, but hate???? come on let's be more fraternal around here.
I don't mean to be obnoxious, but isn't Lambda Chi in the wrong here and just a little bitter that they got busted for it? You know the rules and regs. you should follow them or you'll only screw yourself in the end. Lambda Chi learned a lesson hopefully. |
I personally don't really have a problem with Sig Eps. The Lambda Chis f'ed up and hopefully they'll learn to obey the rules of recruitment from now on. If that chapter was brakeing the rules I'd guess they're not the only one on the campus who are so hopefully it will create a more level playing field for all the groups. "Dirty Rushing" as you girls call it is alot more common among fraternities than it is with sororities, mostly because there is less supervision and fewer established rules for the guys...
We shall see how the school handles it... |
What's all the whining about? They broke a rule, and they got busted. You'd be pissed off if a chapter at your school did this, especially if you were following the rules.
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ummm...I don't think I was whineing...
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To be quite honest, what a PI*S Poor way to act!
Sig Eps are not known as the ones who follow all of the rules! But to "RAT" out another Fraternity for doing what all Chapters do in some form or another. I am dissapointed in a member of the National Sig Ep bringing this up as a point to the University! Is this Fraternalism at its finest, I think not!!:o I think we all know that we catch 10 kinds of hell anytime that something with "Frat" is attatched to it! Example: The Asian Groups at SJSU! Were these Fraternitys or just gangs wearing Letters and Greek Letters? I do not know. Maybe someone on GC can help me on this. Am I dasappointed with the Cry Baby Scene that this caused by Sig Ep and feel a lot of resentment because of it, yes I do. Why, because We all know that this goes on, but to be pointing as finger, well you can come to your own conclusion!:( Boo To The Sig Ep member who did this and shame on him!:o Do I feel shame, yes I do, not for me but for him! I hope that all Sig Eps on GC pass this along to the "Brother?" who did this. |
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Well Kev, just what is your point?
Am I pissed that another Fraternity especially a member of the Greek World would snivle up and pitch a bitch about something as trivial as this? You damn betta ya! What is the deal? Why do'nt you ask and explain what your last post ment. Am I Pro Greek, DA! I am A LXA, I am not alone in this world of Greeks! I have respect with All Greeks as long as it is returned in the same! What Org. are you with or will you say?:confused: "So shall Ye Sow, you shall reap!" TTFN! |
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be realistic...
nearly every fraternity breaks rush rules at some point during the process (and those who claim they dont are lying or dont realize they are). its the nature of the beast. but a gf officer ratting another org out to the school? thats pathetic. he should have just told local spe chapter about it and let them handle it. that would have been in much better "taste" as you like to say. its all crap really.
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My 2 cents
Did anyone else notice in the article where it said he (Sig Ep guy) got off on the wrong floor and “happened” upon a party? Little too convenient for me, more like he was on his way to the party, saw the Lambda Chi’s there and said oh sh*t. I’m not just saying this b/c I am a LCA, I really think people should mind there own business. Remember this is college, best years of our lives and all that. Hey my chapter isn’t an angle and neither are any of the other chapters on my campus but we don’t squeal on each other because that will just start a tattle tail war. They were just rushing people like chapters do all across the country and have done for decades. It’s not like they were selling the potentials drugs or hiring hookers……which chapters on my campus have done/are doing. I really don’t want to argue, I find in situations like this, it doesn’t really make a difference. Every semester during rush the sororities on my campus nail each other for the pettiest little violation you can think of, and nothing comes out of it except the bitterness towards each other raises a little bit. |
I agree the guy from SPE's ntl hq could have handled it better but we still took a chance in breaking the rules. It will teach them to either change their rush methods or be smarter about what parties they throw...
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Yet another act of arson by Hoosier
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Part of being Greek is handling the bad PR that gets out there about our organizations, unfortunately, we, as Greeks are the ones doing what's being reported. I don't actually mind when someone posts an article about Greeks on GC - I think as a community it is beneficial for us to know what is being said about us... I am, however, growing tired of Hoosier's intentional "FIRE STARTING" Grow up HOOSIER..... don't you have any original ideas in that head of yours? Or is your intellectual ability limited to the copy and paste function of your computer? Regarding the article... I can't believe the number of people supporting LXA in this. I also can't believe the number of people that are taking a LOCAL incident and turning it into a NATIONAL perception. I know plenty of LXA's and SPE's that not only get along but are great friends. I know a SPE chapter that co-sponsored one of their recruitment events with LXA because LXA was having trouble recruiting members. SPE held their 1st event with LXA to help get guys to check out LXA... you know what?.... LXA had a large, quality, new member class that year BECAUSE, in part, of the efforts of SPE. Now both chapters are very strong and both chapters would do ANY for each other. |
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Let's look at the facts: * The members of the "caught" org were IN PUBLIC, after rush contact hours. * The PNMs with alcohol were UNDERAGE IN PUBLIC. * The person witnessing it was a NATIONAL HQ member of the other fraternity. Now, I'm sorry, but no matter what orgs you're in, this could have happened. This isn't active members of an org having a beer at one of the guys' house. This is in public, at a hotel, with underage drinking. Sorry, but that's illegal whether you're greek or not. If I was a guy from the *International org's HQ*, I'd be bound to report it, too. That's not a little thing to be swept under the rug. As for being a crybaby, Tom, it sounds like that's the attitude you're taking right now. Face it, members of your org got caught doing something stupid, against rules. They were in public. They should have known better. I tell my collegiate chapter that you can't discuss, or do, certain things in public. You shouldn't take your little out drinking in letters at a bar where your rival org drinks, for example-- you're begging to get caught that way. Not like it's legal anyway, but if you're going to break the rules, you should plan on following the consequences if you get caught, plain and simple. As for setting one org against the other, that's dumb too. Could have been another fraternity, could have been a sorority, whatever. The guy from the other org's nationals probably could have been fired if he swept it under the rug-- he followed his conscience best he could. But he's one guy in one fraternity, and it makes little bearing on members of those fraternities in other schools. |
So just because everyone else does it makes it okay?? If you break the rules, you have to be prepared to pay the consequences. How will things ever change for the better if you just ignore it?
<<<<<<<Oh, sorry officer, I thought it was okay to drive drunk and hit 3 other cars with innocent people in them because everyone else I know drives drunk>>>> |
are you people all crazy? clearly most of you have NO CLUE how fraternity rush works at most schools. and to suggest that the sigep would have been fired? "following his conscience"? what a load of crap. im sorry for you if you believe that. this guy is just trying to screw another house. you think every sigep event there is clean? i highly doubt it.
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This isn't about Sigma Phi Epsilon and Lambda Chi Alpha.
The SMU chapter of LXA broke the rules. The person that happened to catch them in the act was a Sig Ep representative. End of story. |
I went to law school at SMU and I know for a fact that at least from 1988-1992 every fraternity broke rush rules at SMU, every fraternity took guys down to Greenville or the West End or Deep Ellum and got them hammered (not to mention taking Rushees to topless clubs) in an effort to get pledges. I saw way to many Frat Guys at Snuffer's, Milo Butterfingers and Cardinal Puff's during rush week not to know otherwise.
Maybe Sig Ep has reformed, I speculate however, that SigEp went inactive in 2001 and what is going on is completely under the control of the national and thus squeeky(geeky?) clean. I am not condoning getting 18 year olds drunk, I'm not even sure I want my five year old son to go greek, but please lets not be shocked by the LXA's behavior. |
a few points
The title of this thread is TACKY and NOT TRUE. If it could be changed I'm sure all the SPE's and LXA's would appreciate it.
LXA broke the rush rules, and yes if they are caught they should be disciplined - no matter who caught them. However, I believe the Sig Ep rep "accidentally" got off on that floor like I believe the check is in the mail, you have a bridge to sell me, and it's only a cold sore. I'm also questioning how he knew for sure that the potential members he saw were underage unless he checked their ID's. and justme, I agree with you. Hoosier, if you get a woody from doing cut and paste, fine, but please don't double post articles - it's dangerously close to spamming the board. |
Oh, so excuss the hell out of me for standing up for my Fraternity and not for some one who turned them in!
It was not a member of LXA but a member of another Fraternity. While what they did was against the covenents of LXA, I do not beleive it was up to this individual to talk to the school. He could have been much more professional about it and contacted International Headquarters or someone at the local Chapter! But to go to the School, DA, would you want that to happen to your Chapter?:confused: Have none of you in your piousness ever broken rush rules? Have you been turned in by a member of another Organizations National Officer? Do we as Greeks get enough heat because of the stupidity of Chapters without this kind of tripe? I really do not much care if some ouf you think my first post was wrong! That was my opinion and I stand by it! Get off Hoosiers ass, he is just relaying what has been done! I have talked with him and we think alike! I know what Fraternity he is a member of and it is not LXA! But I consider him a Interfraternal Brother. The same with DeltaAlum who people take shots at him, or zntke711 who does the same thing! Just what do they do but point out the events and facts, nothing but the facts! Some of you stand up for the Honor of Greeks and from reading your post some of the things on GreekChat, we/you are our own biggest problems and worst enemies! I notice some of you are newbies on Site, good for you and glad you are here! Welcome! But until you find out what is going on, please observe and see what a great bunch of people are here!:cool: |
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Tom, I understand that it's important to defend your fraternity...but what else was this representative to do? Pretend that it didn't happen? Doing so would only continue such behavior by the LCA brothers. Common sense tells me that if you don't want to get in trouble, you shouldn't be doing things that'll get you in trouble. :rolleyes: |
OTW, it is not the problem of what he did, if you read my last post, but the way he did it!
There were several ways to handle it! Did he do it the right way? That is the discussion as far as I am concernd! Would I go crying to the School about something like this? No! Do We As Greeks Need This From a member of a Headquarters Memeber, No! Is he an unadulterated Ass? Well ??? We have had our problems with SPE at my Chapter, yes! Are we trying to work it out between us and not get the School envoled again! Yes! If this crap keeps coming down, we are both off of Campus and to what purpose does that do for each Orgnization!???!!!! Does it do any good to have Brutus Stab Ceasur in the back such as this happened! Come on OTW and shortsitedskirt is this good for us?? |
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1). I agree with Tom's belief that we should try to handle things in house. I was really disapointed a year ago whwn an undergraduate brother of mine made an inapproperate comment and a sorority girl overheard. Instad of havign their president talk to our president or advisor to advisor, she went to the greek advisor and it caused the group some embarrassment. This VERY NAIEVE new member had no idea of what was up. In this day of bad PR all around, we shoudl limit what we expose to the media. Partly by our actions, but partly by just beign smart. 2) If the Lambda Chi's at SMU broke the rules and got caught, they deserve the punishment they get. Really, it aint that big of a deal for those boys. I can assure you 5K to them is like a 50 spot to the rest of us. Also, them being a Grand High Alpha Chapter (the highest award you can get as an undergraduate chapter), their alums donating the 2nd most amount to Lambda Chi annually and being the home base for the strongest Alumni Association in the nation, these boys will weither this storm with no problem. The national org will let them get a way with MUCH more than many other chapters. 3) L(h)oosier, you need to change the title of this thread. Let me be very clear on this issue... You dont speak for me. You dont speak for my brothers. Dont EVER allow yourself the luxury of thinking that you do. And dont put words in my/our mouths, understand? I am a Lambda Chi. Very proud too. I dont hate Sig Eps. I hate it when my brothers do stupid shit and get caught. I hate it when people try to get people riled up using inflamitory speach. Its simple pimple; change the title... because tomorrow I'll be asking Amy and Zeta to do so. |
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Perhaps we might start another thread to discuss your point about the handling of discliplinary procedures. |
Re: Yet another act of arson by Hoosier
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Why should hoosier not post in such a manner? And what, not do the others on this board the justice to realize the mistake that other organizations have made? IMO, Hoosier posts this way to help inform people and help them learn and allow them to realize what they should and should not do. Hoosier catches a lot of flak for posting, flak maybe because he doesn't sugarcoat greeklife? It's not perfect, we all know that, but learning from other another chapters mistakes can be priceless. And, if you do happen to search Hoosier's threads/posts there have been instances where hoosier has posted an opinion on an issue. |
OK, I am sitting here with tears streaming down my cheeks from laughing so damn hard!
Is Hoosier, DeltaAlum, ZNTKE, or anyone else whom places post the GC Threads a member of a cult of anti-greeks. Do I bash other Greeks? No, But, I do get posts daily from a service showing the ignorant things that Chapters do. While I do not condone many things that My Chapter does, I let my feelings be known whether they like it or not. But, I also try to give the best advice I can to them! If I am wrong, I admit it, do you? The harshest words were by the Soroitys as near as I can tell! But What the F*&k is up with you? Do not open schools up to allow other other Soroitys to come on campus. Why, because you cannot get your membership quotas filled! Let me ask you why!:confused: If you cannot stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Are Fraternities recuitment different than yours, Da Yes, Why! Do not give me pious better than thou BS. it Dont work with me, be doing this longer than most of you are3 old! Are Ideals good, Yes, are they really true? Each of you must answer that! Am I upset with this putch, yes! Did He do it right NO! Is he a Asswhole, yes! Would you do it in a clear conceious, I doubt it!! |
Thank you agreek for posting. I know you do not gett on much, but am thanking you for posting what I think and feel!
There are many Great Members of Greek Organizations here on site who express their opinion and those that do not, well in a good way. But one must must live with these peopples! Da, Going to try Fried Chickeenn again for DINDIN! Well of to the races ya all!:D Oh, GO COMERCIALS for StupidBowl! |
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I could see if it wasn't SO painfully obvious that you and agreek are one in the same, Tom. This is laughable. |
Funny....
Tom, in one post you tell newbies and those not here much to be careful because they haven't been here long enough.....and then turn around on another post and praise the only one that agrees with you!!!
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Hoosier counter attacks
I'm sorry, but I missed the rules that apparently say that only posts that everyone loves are allowed. Some people want only things like "my favorite color" discussed.
In watching for Greek news over the past few years, I'm shocked by the number of chapters being killed by National GLOs, IFCs, and schools due to hazing and booze. By posting clippings from some of these, I hope others will realize the big problem this is. Others are also posting such items, which I haven't seen, and I appreciate that. We are adding some new chapters, but never with one percent of the publicity which accompanies some pledge swimming gone bad at Reno, etc. Hiding bad news doesn't make it go away. Occasionally I try to express my opinion that sorority rush is stupid, and know that many agree. Many sorority members seem to accept that "we've always done it this way" and "all of the rules are made by the national NPC/GLO" and some modern ideas are needed. But since several seem to want to know my opinions: Favorite color - red Favorite car - GMC Yukon Favorite weather - clear and cool Favorite college towns - Nashville, Columbus Favorite www site - Badjocks.com Favorite sport - soccer Favorite party - GOP Favorite poster - Tom I'm an old newspaper guy, and I try to put a snappy headline on posts, and encourage others to do so. If this thread was "LXA violates rush rules" a few would read it and comment. When I put "hate" in the headline, lots of peeps read and respond - and CHAT (that's what this is: GREEK CHAT). Best wishes to all. |
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Re: Hoosier counter attacks
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I understand what you are saying about getting this stuff out in the open, and if you feel the need to appoint yourself the Jiminy Cricket of GC, well you go, but that gives you NO RIGHT to speak for an entire group for the sake of a "snappy headline." I think people would read anyway, without your sensationalism. If they don't, they're not interested - deal with it and move on. Not every thread posted is going to garner a huge response. If you feel like you have to slam other groups for the end purpose of getting more posts in a thread on a message board, I truly feel sorry for you. |
I don't "knock" Hoosier for posting the articles. If you will re-read my post, you will note that I don't mind the articles themselves. Again, I do believe that it is in all of our best interest to see what kind of PR is out there about greeks. It's our fault that it's out there to begin with.
I also didn't say that Hoosier NEVER posts opinions - only that it is RARE... which it is. There also seems to be a misconception that I'm a "newbie" as some like to say. Well, rest asured that I have been around GC for almost two years but recently had to re-register because of technical issues. Post all of the articles you want - just take a look at the spirit of the presentation. Don't just light a fire and watch it burn. Maybe some of you have seen the car insurance commercial (I believe it's Geico) where the squires are intentially causing car accidents - that's what I feel like when I see titles like the one on this thread. And it's not the only time that it's happened - it's just that this one was in exceptionally bad taste in my opinion and appeared to be an attempt to pit one fraternity against another - ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. Hoosier - thanks for your candid reply earlier. I actually did appreciate the humor with which it was written. Thank you, and good night. |
I deny all
" If you feel like you have to slam other groups ..."
Name one I have slammed, please, 33 girl |
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