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1Babygirl2000 06-19-2000 10:23 PM

The fact that you have a child should not hinder your chances of becoming a member of a sorority. One of my undergrad sorors/sands who just crossed is a full time student and a full time mother. Hope that gives you some inspiration! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

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Discogoddess 06-19-2000 10:54 PM

Left Out??:

I would take some time to seriously weigh your responsibilities and decide whether you can devote a serious amount of time, money, and energy to the sorority of your choice, given your school and parenting duties. The four NPHC sororities have been around for decades and aren't going anywhere, so we'll be around whenever your life's responsibilities afford you the opportunity to apply for membership.

Left out?? 06-20-2000 12:04 AM

children??
 
Also, I have a child. Would this present a problem when attempting to gain membership in a BGLO sorority? Thanks for any helpful responses.

AKAtude 06-20-2000 12:13 AM

Within my organization, it does not pose a problem or would hinder someone from seeking membership.

BlueReign 06-20-2000 12:40 AM

I am a graduate member of SGRho and I have 3 children!! I include them in my life as much as I can and take them to activities sponsored by my organization that are youth-oriented. Please don't feel that a child will hinder you. It's just a matter of making time for all of the things in your life that you feel are important. Plus I like the fact that I am exposing my children to greek life before they get to college.

Left out?? 06-20-2000 01:10 PM

Thanks for your replies and encouragement. I do not have a young child (he is 8 3/4)and I do have a very strong support system. My family is the greatest; they are always there when I need them. My question, I guess, was how would the members treat a situation as my own? Would they look at it like I am not responsible? or maybe, when I pledge, that I am abandoning my child all of the time? You know? Any feedback from this standpoint? What would you think of a single mother who was pledging your sorority?

redtulip 06-20-2000 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Left out??:
Would they look at it like I am not responsible? or maybe, when I pledge, that I am abandoning my child all of the time? You know? Any feedback from this standpoint? What would you think of a single mother who was pledging your sorority?
I think you are setting a good example by demonstrating that you want to continue your education, and that you want to get involved in a sorority (and not for the parties, either). Having never met you, you may want to give a lot of thought as to whether you will be able to manage school, your son AND being dedicated to your sorority. It could be a tough squeeze on your personal time (you need time for YOURSELF, too, don't forget!). But if you think you can do it all, good luck to you (and remember to get plenty of sleep)!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


ZetaAce 06-20-2000 01:22 PM

Left Out?-

I had a single mother pledge my sorority. Her daughter was 5. We didn't look down on her at all! She always put her daughter first of course, but she has a strong support system and she participated in every event that she had to. As long as you are taking care of your obligations no one is going to feel like you are irresponsible. Becoming a member is not 'abandoning' your child. Don't think that someone is going to think you are wrong.

What's most important is how you feel about it. If you feel you have enough resources (time, money, support, etc.) to pledge then I say go for it! All sororities have plenty of people with different obligations (like motherhood, school, work, etc.) and still find time to become productive members. And like someone said before, if you don't feel the time is right, we will be here. (You can become a member when you are 90 if that's the best time for you! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif) Good Luck!!

ZetaAce

c&c1913 06-20-2000 03:58 PM

I agree with dstbrat. There are just some places not suitable for young children.

Left Out,
One of my line sisters was 25 or 26 and she had 3 kids when we pledged and another one was 5 or 6 months pregnant when we began. Also, at my campus there were girls who joined other BGL Sororities and had a child or children. We didn't look down on them at all. We tried to help them out through baby sitting and we had a shower for our pregnant LS. It's all about time management for school, the organization of your choice, and your child.

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Eclipse 06-20-2000 04:17 PM

c & c 1913,
I know this is going to open up a can of worms, but were your linesisters married at the time?

gloriajean 06-20-2000 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Eclipse:
c & c 1913,
I know this is going to open up a can of worms, but were your linesisters married at the time?

In response to eclipse, I suppose one could also ask the nature of the question and why would you want to know?


DELTABRAT 06-20-2000 04:59 PM

Left out?

In my experience, it is not something that is frowned upon. Never once was it like, "Choose...the sorority or your son." Nor was it like "Oh, you have too many other responsibilities to pledge." Also it never was like "Because you haven't missed a function, you must be a bad mom...therefore..." If you choose a sorority chapter with positive, uplifting women, it shouldn't be a problem. On the other hand if yhe chapter is a bunch of women interested only in having errands run and "hazin" then it may be an issue. We are all women. We all would like to be married and have children...one day. Most of us understand sacrifice and committment. Many of us welcomeit as long as you can delegate time efficiently so that nothing seems to be getting "back burnered." God, academics and family should always come first. That's understood...by most.

Good luck. E-mail me personally if there are any questions you would like to know personally.

DELTABRAT 06-20-2000 05:02 PM

Eclipse,

"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it."
Superchicken theme song

Why is the marital status of these women an issue?

Eclipse 06-20-2000 08:08 PM

gloriajean said: In response to eclipse, I suppose one could also ask the nature of the question and why would you want to know?
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gloriajean, I'm not sure what you mean by 'the nature of the question.' Could you clarify? As to why I want to know...their marital status would give me some indication of the support system that they had while undertaking such an endevour and like a lot of questions that are asked on this board I just wanted to know! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

DELTABRAT said: "Why is the marital status of these women an issue?"
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An issue???? I wouldn't say that it is an 'issue' for me, but I do think, if they were not married it should be an 'issue' for the sorority they were pledging.

If the next question is why would it be an issue...
1. I think a woman 5 months pregnant, married or not, should spend that time bonding with her baby to be, the father, etc., not trying to bond with her linesisters. That time is very important for the baby's devolpment. Plus, 3-4 months after she crossed she would probably be 'out of commission' for a while taking care of the baby, so what contribution could she make to the sorority? Of course, since I do not know the young lady in question, I am merely speculating.

2. As for the 25 or 26 with 3 children..time would certainly be a factor in my book! Plus, if you are a 25 year old single mother with 3 children,,,well, let me not go there!

3. In addition, I have heard many older members of sororities express distain for their younger sorors who are single parents because of the negative image that they may be sending to younger girls (in their youth or teen mentoring groups especially) that they might be mentoring.

I personally think society's standard regarding out of wedlock children has gotten too lax and that we must display the attitude that it is not o.k.

But in actuallity, all of this (my comments) are just general in nature, because I do not know the facts of the situation that c&c1913 spoke of.

Waiting for the floodgates to open....

p.s. Could someone tell me how to repost someone else's comments so they come bold and between the lines like gloriajean's did? Thank you! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif


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Discogoddess 06-20-2000 08:58 PM

Eclipse:

I agree with you that many sorority members look askance at younger unmarried mothers joining their organizations. I have VERY mixed feelings about it myself, that's why I urged the young lady to think long and hard about making such a commitment.

I do think that whether we want to admit it or not, we as sorority members give tacit approval to single motherhood by extending membership to unmarried mothers, ESPECIALLY on the undergraduate level. How do we tell our young mentees to avoid early motherhood when many of our own members have CHOSEN that route? It seems contradictory. And what's this about children at greek parties and step shows? WHY????????????????????? Call a babysitter!!! If you can't get one, then realize that's part of the price of CHOOSING to have a child while still young and single.

At one time, participation in debutante cotillions, sororities, and the like was considered the reward for girls who had stayed on the straight and narrow. If these activities are now open to those who CHOSE not to wait until marriage to have kids, what message does that send to young girls contemplating the same?

On the other hand, I can't judge someone for the choices they made, as I too have fallen short of the glory of God. However, women should realize that when they affiliate with an organization, they (the individual) become synonomous with the organization, and in fact they ARE the organization to most folks who come in contact with them. To answer your second question, Left Out??, I don't think I would vote positively on a young, single undergraduate mother. I would advise her to finish her studies, raise her child/children ('Oh Lawd' on the 25-year-old with three of 'em!!!), establish her career, and try at the graduate level.

Just my thoughts...

Sweet Deliverance 06-20-2000 09:16 PM

Well...joining a sorority is contingent on the qualifications an aspirant possess at the time of application.

I agree with some of the points all of you have made, but I lean toward what Eclipse said. My Sorors may even see things differently, but here goes. Number one, I can't deny my Christian beliefs... Number two, belonging to a Sorority who has as one of it's founding principles, Finer Womanhood, a woman's reputation and how she carries herself does come under consideration.

Should a woman with children be bared from membership in my eyes? It depends on the individual and the circumstances (career, finances, support system, educational commitments or goals, etc.). I have initiated women with children - single, and at that time the child was not an issue.

To answer your question, it is not a problem unless it jeopardizes your child's health and happiness, your sanity and happiness, and you find it to be one.

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Say What? 06-20-2000 09:27 PM

I was just curious as to when Eclipse became God. How dare you judge any of the ladies who have kids and are on line...or Anyone for that matter. I would personally have a lot of respect for any woman who manages, not only,to meet the requirements of the intake process (the gpa, community service, etc.), but are still able to fulfill the vigorous requirements of being a mom. The term "Superwoman" immediately pops in my mind! And as far as your self-righteous comments regarding babis out of wedlock,no husband,setting a bad example for youngerladies (yadda,yadda,yadda)...I feel it's sad that this is the way you choose to see the situation. What about the single teen parent out there? (and whether we like it or not, they are out there)I would think they would benefit more from a positive black sister that could show them how despite being a single mother they can achieve anything in life. Whether that be graduating from college or joining a sorority. The last thing they would need is for someone, as yourself, to reinforce the notion that they are an unacceptable entity in our society that should be banned from joining sororities or any other activity that should only be open to the perfect women of the world (such as yourself). Give me a break! AND...as for the young ladies who don't have kids, I'm sure seeing an unmarried member of a sorority with child is not going to make an other wised intelligent, responsible person to take it as "the green light" to go out and get pregnant. Granted, God may frown upon someone getting pregnant without first being married but He also warns against us passing judgement on others. I don't remember the name of the woman who posted the original question, but I send nothing but encouragement to you. Any negative vibes you may get from some of these replies have nothing to do with you and EVERYTHING to do with the person from which they came. To Eclipse, try seeing the glass as half full for a change.

c&c1913 06-20-2000 09:55 PM

i did not post the response for folks to pass judmement on my line sisters! it was posted to help this young lady see that women with children can become members of sororities. i look at this as a positive thing. at least she did go to college and was not sitting on her butt somewhere collecting welfare checks! she is now a teacher and guess what eclipse, she's getting married next month. that's right she's teaching someone else's child to read and add 2 + 2. as for my line sister that was pregnant when we were on line. we crossed in april and she had the baby in may. as for being out of commission, the semester and chapter activities were pretty much over for the summer. so she was able to come back full swing in the fall. and eclipse, she is married to her baby's father. so, left out i say go for it because i know an AKA that had 2 kids before joining and a Zeta that had three (twin girls at that) before joining. The Lord allows things to happen for reason. I don't have any kids, but my question is, why does a woman's identity have to change when she has a child. It's as if her life or what she wants ceases to exist. If these women had the support of family and friends to pursue their endeavors and The Lord made a way for them, then why knock them.

tickledpink 06-20-2000 10:16 PM

I know that there are members of greek organizations that would look down on single mothers. Personally I would not. I have seen many single mothers drop out of college, never to return. If I had to vote on the membership of a woman that is a single parent, makes good grades, and is choosing to continue her college education, I would vote yes. I completely understand what my soror DG is saying as far as weighing your responsibilities, Left Out. As far as the mentoring goes, Soror I love you, but I have to respectfully disagree. Yes, we advise those that we mentor not to have premarital or unprotected sex. What about the mentee that already has and is either pregnant or a single mother and feels she has nothing to look forward to in life (no plans for college...)? Couldn't a single parent that is proving that she is beating the odds and correcting her errors serve as inspiration for her? Left Out, as long as you are working to improve your situation and rectify your past, that's not irresponsibility. I can't condemn anyone, all have fallen short --- and truth be told many have done the deed, but have merely been "lucky" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif.

Left out, enjoy your child, and if you have the time, dedication, and finances to devote to a greek org, go for it. You'll never know until you try.

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blu_theatrics 06-20-2000 10:16 PM

Were should I start....I dont' think that you have to be married to have support from the father of your child and I really dispise the fact that you are considered a single parent when you are not married even though you are not parenting singly.

Next, I understnad you veiw on single parent families, but please understand that my definition of a single parent family is one were there is a single parent. Just because you aren't married doesn't mean you are doing it alone. (for example, divorced women aren't usually called single parents if the father still cares for the children)

But as far as bonding with the 5 month old fetus, maybe it's just me, but wouldn't the fetus be with her were ever she went.

And as far as the entire topic goes, don't let people discourage you. I had a line of five and four of us have children. My son is fifteen days older than one of my sisters and they had a ball together when ever we met to study or anything, and besides that we supported each other and my whole chater supports each other. That's what sisterhood means.... well at least that is what I was taught. If my son was sick, I got call s all day asking if everything was alright, did I/he need anything and it wasn't just words it was love.

I can say that I guess I do have a great support system and maybe that is why I am so against the comments that tell this lady to not join a sorority. But my son has not been harmed or neglected by me being a member of my org. and if a chapter or org won't or can't accept your family then maybe you shouldn't want to join their family




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Originally posted by Eclipse:
gloriajean said: In response to eclipse, I suppose one could also ask the nature of the question and why would you want to know?
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gloriajean, I'm not sure what you mean by 'the nature of the question.' Could you clarify? As to why I want to know...their marital status would give me some indication of the support system that they had while undertaking such an endevour and like a lot of questions that are asked on this board I just wanted to know! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

DELTABRAT said: "Why is the marital status of these women an issue?"
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An issue???? I wouldn't say that it is an 'issue' for me, but I do think, if they were not married it should be an 'issue' for the sorority they were pledging.

If the next question is why would it be an issue...
1. I think a woman 5 months pregnant, married or not, should spend that time bonding with her baby to be, the father, etc., not trying to bond with her linesisters. That time is very important for the baby's devolpment. Plus, 3-4 months after she crossed she would probably be 'out of commission' for a while taking care of the baby, so what contribution could she make to the sorority? Of course, since I do not know the young lady in question, I am merely speculating.

2. As for the 25 or 26 with 3 children..time would certainly be a factor in my book! Plus, if you are a 25 year old single mother with 3 children,,,well, let me not go there!

3. In addition, I have heard many older members of sororities express distain for their younger sorors who are single parents because of the negative image that they may be sending to younger girls (in their youth or teen mentoring groups especially) that they might be mentoring.

I personally think society's standard regarding out of wedlock children has gotten too lax and that we must display the attitude that it is not o.k.

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BlueReign 06-20-2000 10:45 PM

C&C1913 - go 'head girl!!
I love your response.

BlueReign 06-20-2000 10:50 PM

Oh and I forgot, Eclipse -- let's not go there about the 25 year old with 3 kids. I am 36 with 3 kids and chose at this time in my life to belong to a sorority. You never know what a person has been through so don't pass judgment please. Men leave and abandon their women with children all too easy. It's great that a 25 year old woman with 3 children can remain positive and continue to make positive choices in her life no matter what happens.


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blu_theatrics 06-20-2000 10:54 PM

well said Blu Reign

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dstbrat 06-21-2000 12:08 AM

i agree with dg. it can be done, but, i have seen it done poorly. sometimes children of bruhs and sorors are in places where young children ought not be. it frustrates me to see samll children at parties, bar-be-que and step shows when music is being played with explicit lyrics, dirty chants are said, and some orgs are grinding on the floor, etc. those are not appropriate places for kids. i don't like to see kids throwing up signs and calling like sorors. that, in my opinion, is inappropriate. some people thinks it's cute. but, that is how legacies grow up thinking that they are promised/owed membership. you just have to be careful and responsible about how you handle the situation.

DELTABRAT 06-21-2000 12:53 AM

Left out?

I think it is perfectly possible to have children and join a sorority. I will agree with dstbrat that it is a personal decision the type of exposure that that child gets after crossing. It saddens my heart to see young children at events that are not appropriate. It is easy to feel left out, though. I have to admit that I have taken my son to events. I have to aks beforehand what type of "things" will be going on. Usually Sorors are pretty respectful. We all have a nurturing side to us : ) But when the Bruhs come...WHEW!!! I usually have to go at that time. I love 'em but y'all know what I am sayin'. I have a child (although I didn't when I pledged), and I have to commend women who have children and still go through with the process. I have seen two in my chapter. Both with children age 4-6. The support system has to be TIGHT, though. Both of them lived with their parents (this worked for them although others find it awkward to live at home during the process). The kids dads stepped in as well. I would say it is possible but the support has to be REALLY STRONG! There's just NO way for the child to have to be present at all of the events.

Just my $19.13

prettygyrl 06-21-2000 03:12 PM

C&C your responses were great I completely agree. Being a single mother myself let me say that it is definitely difficult but I know I am strong enuff to handle my situation. The last time I read the intake requirements for all of these orgs I do not beleive that one of the requirements was to not have chlidren or be married if you have some. As far as anyone who may think that just because they do not have any gives them the right to look down on someone else (whether they are in your org. or trying to be) you are sadly mistaken. sadly sadly mistaken . I would have to commend any woman who has children and is in college and making good grades and trying to service her communtity. I mean dag I know girls who do not have ANY kids and they are not doing nothing for themselves or their community! God puts nothing on you that he does not feel you can handle so obvioulsy he beleives that most of us single mothers out there can handle our present situations just fine. IF all orgs are founded on Christian prinicples then all members know already that ONLY GOD can judge!!!!! If he thinks that any of us single mothers can not deal with joining a sorority or whatever else we try and endure then he will not let it happen!!!! As far as being married some of us are not that fortunate and some of us really do not need a man around God is my childrens father and he will see to it that they are taking care of well!!! And as far as your older sorors looking down on it I believe that BUT I AM QUITE SURE THAT YOU CAN NAME A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH AS FAR AS SORORITY LIFe GOES TODAY PERIOD AND THIS IS JUST BEACUSE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAN THEY WERE THEN. Then there is a fact that there are not that many VIRGINS in the world so just because some of yall have not been caught up or have had abortions does not make yall saints or better than anyone who gets caught up!!! I mentor and tutor kids all the time the fact that I have children is no contradiction at all, I can actually speak to them from my experiences, so to help them see that they need to make better choices because things can be difficult for single mothers(difficult not impossible). I mean if that is a contradicton then so is anyone who hazed or accepted hazing but is now trying to bring to an end. So is Magic Johnson going around taling about Aids I mean give me a break!!! LEFTOUT gyrl look your marital status or your parental status should have nothing to do with you getting in your sorority of choice as long as you can take care of business I would not worry about it. and IF someone makes a big deal about it or trys to put you down about it then you should ask yourself : Do you really want to be involved with such judgemental petty people anyway! Then try a grad chapter!! Eclipse and who else was talking about this and that: As long as anyone out there is having premarital sex (whether you have been caught up with a child or not) that is actually the problem! Not the kids so to speak, its having premarital sex period that is unchristian like! If you feel as if I or anyone else, would not be a good mentor etc because we have children then neither would anyone having sex period who is not married right? Afterall that is how unwed mothers come about! I mean do some really think that its okay with our creator that they have sex before they get married as long as you do not get pregnant? Please its all one in the same! It can reap the same repurcussions! It just has not hit some as it has others. I would have much more respect for a woman who got pregnant 92 times and kept all 92 kids than I would one who had 92 abortions!!!! I really do not feel as if it is necessary to try and punish young mothers married or not because that will not solve the problem at all! I commend young ladies who can make it until they are married to have sex, I am sure it is a wonderful accomplishmen but I would never CONDEMN those that did not!!!!! I never will agree with deb balls or anything that want to celebrate a girl for not having children young and then leave one that did have a kid feeling as if she is not good enuff! Please! Especially since they both could be having sex like all the time and one just got preg and the other did not!!!! So like I, and many others have said,LEFTOUT ONLY YOU CAN DECIDE WHATS RIGHT FOR YOU EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST VOICES IN THE WIND! IF YOU DO NOT CROSS BECAUSE OF YOUR SON THEN YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN RIGHT FOR YOU AT THAT TIME. MUCH LOVE TO YALL. TO OTHER SINGLE MOTHERS LIKE MYSELF KEEP YA HEAD UP! WE HANDLING OUR STUFF AND WE DO NOT NEED NO ONE TO LIKE IT OR LOVE IT. I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT YALL BUT MY BABIES IS WHAT KEEPS ME FOCUSED AND MOVING FORWARD TO ACCOMPLISH ALL MY GOALS!

Left out?? 06-21-2000 04:32 PM

For clarification, I am a single/unwed mother. I gave birth at the ripe old age of 15! I understood that I had made a bad choice in my life and it took me a long time to realize the plan God had for my life. My son is 8 years old and over those 8 years: I've rededicated my life to God and, in presenting my body as a living sacrifice to him, I've been celibate for 3 3/4 years. I counsel teenage mothers and speak at my former high school regarding teenage parenting and sex. I tutor inner-city children twice a week and I am the Director of the Young Adult Ministry at my church. I do all of this, plus attend school full time, work part time, and am a full time mother AND father to my 8 year old. I am well aware of who is charge of my life. As long as God is the Head of my life, my steps are ordered! I KNOW that I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me and as long as what I do is for His glory, I can handle anything.

I thank and praise the Almighty God for giving me the strength and the ability to live the life that I live. I think it's time-out for peer condemnation. We should not look at people and think that, "because she is unmarried and has a child, she will be poor representation of my organization." I believe that I am a testimony. We all are. We should live as such. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Thanks for ALL responses! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Discogoddess 06-21-2000 05:01 PM

Prettygrl:

No one is asking you to justify your choices or get defensive about them, but I believe the young lady who started the thread was seeking people's honest opinions. And honestly, I think that people should realize that joining a sorority is not a right, and no one deserves membership simply because they have met the requirements and/or overcome adversity, such as single parenthood. Membership must be extended by those already in the group, based on educational, community service, and character assessments. And like it or not, there are members in these groups who disagree with the notion that single, unwed mothers in undergraduate school should be focusing on attaining sorority membership. I must disagree with my sisters here and say that I think young mothers should direct their attention toward receiving their undergraduate degrees and raising their children before seeking sorority membership. AKA, DST, ZPhiB, and SGRho will all be there waiting for them once they graduate and establish themselves in their respective careers and communities.


Left out 06-21-2000 05:32 PM

Disogoddess,

What is the difference between pledging a sorority in undergrad vs. grad? Is grad less demanding? Also, what is your reasoning for your "young mothers should direct their attention toward receiving their undergraduate degrees and raising their children before seeking sorority membership" philosophy? Do you not think that we are capable of doing more than 2 things at once? I understand that it's hard to understand a situation when the situation is not yours, but I think that some of the difficulties in your life may not seem as difficult to you as it does to me.

This was going to school full time and working full time. I asked her how she did it as it seemed like a very difficult task. She simply replied, "Well, I have to ask you how you manage to work part time, go to school full time, and still take care of your son?" I've never looked at my many "hats" as difficult and she probably never thought about how difficult it was to work and go to school full time.

We should stop trying to tell others what is too difficult for them. I'm sure you are well aware of how much you can handle and it would be stupid of me to tell you, "You should not be taking 5 classes, you should focus on these 3 classes and take these 2 next semester." Do you understand what I'm getting at?

Left out 06-21-2000 05:34 PM

oops! I meant to say:

This GIRL was going to school full time....

Dst Greek 06-21-2000 06:41 PM

Well left out, I will tell you, My child was nine and I pledged. In my interview, they never asked if I had childen. I was 31 years old, but looked about 22 as I still do today.
When we were accepted for membership, everyone basically told there background(family,home,age, kids, etc). After they found out they were all anxious to meet my child. They now refer to my daughter as their neice and she calls all my line sisters her Aunts. My daughter and husband understood and supported me in the fact that I would not be home all day for a period of time and that there would be many late nights, but when I got my letters they were just as happy for me. When you have babies, it is very hard and you should devote your time to them. Older kids are workable depending on the school. However, most organizations shun single, unmarried mothers because it goes against most of the virtues they look for and uphold in their members. Of course, get a baby sitter for the greek parties, but hey community events are fun for all ages and instill values in youn people. Come to think of it, it was my nine year old who encouraged me to go to our first line greek outing because she said "I should not let my sisters down" and it might be fun.

Dst Greek 06-21-2000 06:43 PM

I forgot. Left out remember- there is always alumnae entrance after you receive your degree. Sometimes this road is a little easier not having to juggle classes and pledging.

BlueReign 06-21-2000 10:52 PM

Left Out, I am becoming extremely unpleased at the last few posts but please do not let this stop you. Life is harder and more demanding after your undergraduate days. Believe me. When you start holding down a 9-5 and trying to stay on top of your bills and advance in your field you will almost forget that you had interest in any sorority. I know I did. That is why it has taken me from from 1985 to recently to re-think this and to act on it. I am proud of the fact that I juggle all of this. Don't listen to people who tell you what is too much for you. Only you can be the judge of that!!!! Everyone's limits are different!!!!

The day of my induction ceremony my 8 year old son looked at me before I walked out the door and smiled and said, "Mommy, I am proud of you." My 5 year old daughter does my sorority's hand-sign and call (although I repeatedly tell her not to http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif. My 7 year old son is my silent supporter. It feels good to share this with them.

I didn't mean to rattle on like this but one of the reasons I made this decision at my age is because MY CHILDREN made me think about the world we live in and about giving back to the community.

Ms. Left Out, seeing what you are about I think any organization would be proud and honored to have you as a member. I really mean this!!
Also, Blue Theatrics -- thank you for your compliment!!



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BE POSITIVE!!!

Discogoddess 06-22-2000 12:30 AM

Left Out:

I thought I was pretty clear in my last message, but if you would like to discuss this issue further with me, I would be happy to do so via email. Since I don't have your email address, you are welcome to use mine.

[This message has been edited by Discogoddess (edited June 22, 2000).]

prettygyrl 06-22-2000 12:55 AM

Discgoddess with all do respect I know no one has any rights to a memebership just because they meet qualifications BUT at the same time someone that has children does not have any less of a right to join a sorority than someone who does not! I am sorry that you would probably vote against a single mother in your sorority, you may be losing a great sister by doing that. The good thing is though that the world does revolve around what you think so since its not gospel everyone should continue to work for their goals no matter what their situation! If its being part of a sorority that a single mother wants to do then more power to her. If she crosses, as your soror what are you going to do shun her or tell her that she is not a good role model? Unfortunately the young lady did ask for opinions, but I am sure she was not expecting to be judged by anyone. We all come from parents and would any of you think less of your mom if she was a single parent? Would you think she did not deserve something that someone else had the opportunity for just because you came along? I highly doubt it. I am not going to go back and forth with this one though. I have learned that faceless people should not warrant such energy. I will continue in my quest, and I hope you do also Left Out! Much love peeps

Eclipse 06-22-2000 11:40 AM

Since I started this 'firestorm' with my question I so very much want to respond, but I have been out of the office since Tuesday doing training at a remote site. I will add my 2 cents to the dicussion later.

Eclipse

p.s. Oh..and for those people who feel that I (and others) are being 'judgemental', please realize that there is a difference in disagreeing, believing something is right, etc. and judging. See ya later

DELTABRAT 06-22-2000 03:54 PM

blu_theatrics,

I saw your picture on the site (with your Sorors)...since we're on the topic...is whose baby is that on the picture?

CUTE http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

blu_theatrics 06-22-2000 07:19 PM

I understand exactly where you are coming from and want to tell you to keep up the great work and any sorority should be proud to have you as a member.
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Originally posted by Left out??:
For clarification, I am a single/unwed mother. I gave birth at the ripe old age of 15! I understood that I had made a bad choice in my life and it took me a long time to realize the plan God had for my life. My son is 8 years old and over those 8 years: I've rededicated my life to God and, in presenting my body as a living sacrifice to him, I've been celibate for 3 3/4 years. I counsel teenage mothers and speak at my former high school regarding teenage parenting and sex. I tutor inner-city children twice a week and I am the Director of the Young Adult Ministry at my church. I do all of this, plus attend school full time, work part time, and am a full time mother AND father to my 8 year old. I am well aware of who is charge of my life. As long as God is the Head of my life, my steps are ordered! I KNOW that I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me and as long as what I do is for His glory, I can handle anything.

I thank and praise the Almighty God for giving me the strength and the ability to live the life that I live. I think it's time-out for peer condemnation. We should not look at people and think that, "because she is unmarried and has a child, she will be poor representation of my organization." I believe that I am a testimony. We all are. We should live as such. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Thanks for ALL responses! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif


blu_theatrics 06-22-2000 07:54 PM

Sorry, It's not mine, I have a boy, but that is my soror Keisha's daughter and before anyone asks, yes she is married and yes she had the baby after pledging angd getting married. However, the girl the baby is in front of is pregnant and due any day (not to mention my pledge mom..so watch your commente...lol) and the three girls in the upper left corner are my sands and all three have little boys (6,3 and 2 years old)
And I beleive that by being members of SGRho (or any org) we have more support in raising our children.

Thanks for cheacking out my page

Quote:

Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
blu_theatrics,

I saw your picture on the site (with your Sorors)...since we're on the topic...is whose baby is that on the picture?

CUTE http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif


prettygyrl 06-23-2000 05:42 PM

I have a question for al those who would have a problem with a single mother pledging their sorority. If someone has already crossed and then has children out of wedlock is she now no longer worthy to wear her letters? Should she become inactive and focus on her kids now? Or will you love her and support just the same? Just wondering


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