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Last night, while driving to a hick town, I saw a truck sporting that South Carolina flag and marked on the truck window was "Gore Give Up!" As I continued to drive, I gave much thought to the hand written message. Sadly, I think the time has come. Gore fought a good fight but I think he should concede at this point.

Unfortunately I have to agree about this. This is a lose/lose situation for Gore.

Professor,
Unfortunately I have to agree. I think we have to let it go, so that we can just hopefully get over the next terrible 4 years and get his (Bush) sorry ass out of office!!



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KL

I must mournfully agree! I think that we should all remain prayerful that the next four years will allow us to continue to strive economically and socially. I hope that the foundation of today's economy can withstand whatever damages may come out of the bushes. I feel that Gore is only making his case weaker at this point.

Thank the Lord!!! The country will last...at least for 4 more years.

I have to respectfully disagree w/ the majority of opinions on this thread. A LOT can happen in four years--wars have been won and lost in less time, economies could crash, not to mention far-reaching legislation and Supreme Court appointments. I think that there is enough time to challenge the election and still be able to smoothly transition administrations.

QUOTE]Originally posted by mojo:
Thank the Lord!!! The country will last...at least for 4 more years.[/QUOTE]



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I don't hink that Gore should concede just yet, because this is still up in the air until the Supreme Court weighs in on the subject. I think that the "powers that be" decided long ago who the winner of this election would be and so here we are and Bush is are winner. But Gore, if he is to be consistent, should not concede until after the Supreme Court decision.

On the other hand I think that Gore should not contest this anymore. I think that he just needs to let Bush get about his business of delivering this country to hell.

One positive note to this whole sordid mess is that 90% of registered black voters turned out for the election. That is a very positive step in the right direction.

And I repeat.....

I also disagree with the majority opinion of this thread. Gore should definetely not concede. I believe that if the shoe was on the other foot the GOP would ask for re-counts---every vote should count and our vote is our only voice in this democracy. I am glad to see him taking these measures- this simply shows America not that he is a sore loser but that he is not passive but persistent to get policies enacted to benifit all Americans. You would think that an oppenent would agree to the re-counts (if their hands weren't sticky) but then again he's a Bush. I can only imagine what will happen "if" Bush is the next president.

STAY OUT THE BUSHES!!!!

Don't get me wrong I don't want to see Gore concede. I am glad that he is pushing this to the limit with the "crap" that has gone on in Florida. But with this being Florida, and a Bush being the gov. of Florida. I don't see how Gore can do it. They are to shady down there. If Bush becomes president, the state of the nation is going to be pure Shi*. Sorry for that, but that is how I was feeling.

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I too still believe that Gore should keep fighting for his rights, as well as the right's of thousands of people in Florida, overseas, and around the nation.

I respectfully feel that this is why blacks don't get alot from this country, because we give up when adversity hits hard. WE NEED TO FIGHT!!!! What if our relatives would have given up in the 50's and 60's, held their heads down and said, "man, they aren't going to let us vote no matter what we do". That fight lasted for years. Gore needs to fight it all the way.

What many people don't realize is that the canges that Bush makes during his 4 years in office will affect the entire country for years to come. We are just now getting over Reganomics, and what Bush will do will be far worse than Regan could have ever imagined.

Remember, Rowe v. Wade passed by only one vote get rid of that one voter and you get rid of legal abortion for a lot longer than 4 years.

As usual Gore and the democrats are sore losers. At least the rest of the country won't lose also by having Gore president

Professor or Anybody,

By not conceeding do you that Gore has hurt his political career?

Professor, I hope you don't really believe that. First, why would any candidate give up in the midst of all this controversy. Consider the amount and the nature of the controversy. First, the governor's brother is in charge of the key state. Second, many analysts thought it may come down to the state of Florida's electoral votes. The Secretary of State had within her power to organize this election months before it ocurred, but didn't(or did she?). In planning it, SOMEONE should've ran a test on the ballots they planned to use. Had they done so, they would've discovered such POSSIBLE problems IN ADVANCE; then, it could've been avoided with a differently designed ballot. Thirdly, the Department of Justice had received complaints about people being impeded from voting, in addition to ballots being lost, stolen, or strayed; and yet they DID NOTHING. Since the Secretary of State is a republican(as well as the governor), that seems to suggest a CONFLICT OF INTEREST; therfore the Department of Justice should have launched an investigation, and referred it to the Florida Supreme Court, or the U.S. Supreme Court.
Whenever you have the precinct workers complaining that they themselves had to choose who THEY BELIEVED was registered, and stating this on C-Span, that is reason enough to revisit the idea of doing it all over again in Florida. The people complaining are from ALL walks of life, yet all are Americans.

To give up would confirm what so many Americans believe today; that their vote DOESN'T COUNT ANYWAY.

Well said Original Ape!!!!! WELL SAID!!!

Thank you for that flowa, SIS!

Brother Original Ape,

Sorry I have not responded in a timelier manner. I have been out of the office. I am sorry that the election continues to be debated. As a starch Democrat and activist within the party, I'm afraid my opinion of the presidential election has not changed. Gore should give up.

However, I do agree with your comments that there have been contributing factors that impacted the chain of events. I only wish these events and perhaps actions can be rectified.

I know I'm not the ONLY one that has noticed that the judge didn't have the common or legal sense to sample the ballots. If the argument concerned the style, condition of the ballot, doesn't it make sense to check them out? What was the judge's explanation for not doing so? I believe he didn't do it because he knew there wouldn't be much fallout from it, and decided to "hand off".
And then there is THE OTHER LAW SUIT. The vice-president and his mate can probably get some reconsideration going IF they employed the news media to carry the other suit with as high a priority as the primary case.

When all of the facts are laid out, I believe you and everyone else that thinks Gore should give up will have a change of heart.

I think that this situation is bigger than Gore at this point, and I don't think he should give up, either. Throughout history, particularly the history of the disenfranchised, the fight has never been easy. This is about justice, respect, and fairness. Although these words are not typically connected with politics, something needs to be done about the fact that so many people voted, and so many of these same people feel like their vote does not count. Will that influence how inspired they are to be proactive and vote in the next national or local election? Sometimes in order to get something done that has a positive collective benefit on the masses, the trailblazer becomes the martyr. If Gore has to assume this responsibility, then unfortunately so be it. I would like to see him in office as much as the next guy, however, if it doesn't happen, let's look at the bright side. Bush will be under such scrutiny, he will be afraid to do almost anything, and that is good! That will limit him to 4 years, and stop him from negatively messing with issues like Roe v. Wade, Affirmative Action, and many other diversity initiatives. Let him sit for 4 years until someone who is not a puppet for his father can take his place and get something done for ALL people!
Sincerely!
Jennifer
DST- Spring '91

I have a question for you all. I was discussing this with a girl that I work with and she thinks that by Gore not conceding it could hurt his chances in the next election should he lose this time and choose to run in 4 years. (Run-on sentence or what?) What do yall think about that? I would be more apt to vote for him if he stuck out the fight than if he concedes. Who wants a quitter? "It's when things get worse that you must not quit." Anyway, what do yall think? So you think it'll hurt his political career if he doesn't concede?

[This message has been edited by Ideal08 (edited December 06, 2000).]

Mix what you said/feel on this with what I said above, and you have what I think about it.

What in the hell are you smoking? Are you black? You are obviously a Republican, so please answer this question, Can you honestly sit there and say that ALL AMERICANS do not reserve the right to have their vote count? Are the only people allowed to have their voices heard are those who have financial security? If W is so sure that he is the undisputed winner, then why is he scared to let ALL the votes be counted?
One thing is for sure he can never use the words" THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!" He and the rest of the republicans are terrified of the people. Democrats have brought forth a better nation in the last eight years. The twelve years before that SUCKED!!! Including the four that his Arms selling criminal ass daddy was running the country(Iran-Contra).
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What in the hell are you smoking? Are you black? You are obviously a Republican, so please answer this question, Can you honestly sit there and say that ALL AMERICANS do not reserve the right to have their vote count? Are the only people allowed to have their voices heard are those who have financial security? If W is so sure that he is the undisputed winner, then why is he scared to let ALL the votes be counted?
One thing is for sure he can never use the words" THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!" He and the rest of the republicans are terrified of the people. Democrats have brought forth a better nation in the last eight years. The twelve years before that SUCKED!!! Including the four that his Arms selling criminal ass daddy was running the country(Iran-Contra).
For further discussion write to www.bushizastupidazzdope.com

Dam Dex!

That was some GOOD shit! LOL

SORRY 'BOUT THE PROFANITY, YALL! (still laughing)

*With Fist in the Air* Right on brutha...RIGHT ON!!!!!

Dexter, That was the absolute BEST!!!!!!! LMAO at "Including the four that his Arms selling criminal ass daddy was running the country"!!! Oh, that was the best!!!

yay! some folks who do see the forest for the trees (except mojo). when you have votes thrown out of majority Black precincts, voters harassed, voters denied the right to vote, do you give up? if you say Gore should give up then your answer is yes. for those who see this as a step back into the '60s on back when Blacks were harassed and denied the right to vote then of course you say, keep fighting. so now, where are you?

Clinton said he wanted 4 more years in the White House... I think he found a way to circumvent our constitutional presidential term limit... AND where's our checks and balances on that one??? What if Clinton feels like he doesn't trust the final decision from any court--who will swear in the "new" president? (I'm in science so I am unaware what the legalities and protocols are in government).

Unfortunately, I think the "powers that be" will allow Bush to be president however Gore will put him in check every step of the way... What I wanna know is: Where's the money? Who's gettin' really pi$$aid for this ballot election fiasco?? --I wannabe wit' them!!! I wannabe a millionaire and that's my final answer...

No, I'm not a republican or a democrat. I vote for the best candidate.

Of course, everyone deserves to have their vote counted if you follow the balloting rules. You don't punch a clear hole or make some other mistake, have it corrected or no it doesn't count. Like with anything else, you play by the rules or don't play.

This is not isolated. "The People have Spoken". Do you think this is an exception. This happens every election. Some votes don't get counted because they are not properly marked, people in some states voting twice, people registered in more than one state voting in both states, people voting in the name of dead people, or democrats grabbing homeless and coaxing them to the ballot booth for a pack of smokes. These things happen every election.

The country has been great for the past eight years. Realize this, everything is a snowball. The last eight piggybacked off of the previous 12 as those piggybacked off of the previous 100, 200, 300, but I shan't go on.

As for what the former President Bush has done. Oh well. I know plenty of people whose fathers are in jail. Does that mean they too are fated to do the same?

Do you think this is helping Gore? No matter who wins this will be a one term presidency. Talk about the forest for the trees. Gore would've been a shoe in for the next presidency. Now, he is ruining that.

WAKE UP, THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL

So you mean to say that you think W is the best candidate? He is a pawn for his father, who couldn't get elected again if he tried. W does not know what he is doing. You honestly think that we need an illiterate idiot representing our country? YOU said that the economy is a result of a snow ball effect. Spare me the stupid comments!! The state of this country is a direct result of the decisions and programs developed and instituted by the governing body(executive branch). Who says this will be a one term president? It will be if we let that imbecile in the office. If YOU think that the writing is on the wall, then you are on the same dope that W is on!!

The race is not given to the swift nor the strong, but to he that endureth to the end.

And I'm gone

I don't necessarily agree with your choice of Presidential candidate, but you get 10 points for standing up in the face of adversity.

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"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." ~Harry S. Truman~

With all due respect to you man, in some parts of this country, Oprah, both Michaels, you, bILL cOSBY, and Clarence Thomas WOULD ALL BE CALLED NIGGAS BY MEMBERS OF THE PARTY YOU BELONG TO!!!

I am quite numb with a define green tinge; however, I need to get off my a$$ and make certain that I do everything in my power to make certain that the local and state democrats I helped to elect deliver! Everyone says that 'Oh, it's only 4 years!'. When I thought about what that realistically means for ME, I think about the fact that my children who are now 4 and 7 will be 8 and 11. God forbid something were to happen to me and they had to have a guardian not of my choosing. A guardian that I personally don't feel will have their best interest at heart. Yeah, there are systems in place and morals I have instilled in them to prevail but in four years alot of damage can be done to them.

So now that our nation is being governed by someone whom I feel truly doesn't have my best interest at heart I now have to heavily lean upon all other support systems to make certain that MY INTERESTS are protected!

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Mojo, you keep saying that the "People have spoken" What "People" are you talking about? You are aware that Gore won the popular vote by a little less than 400,000 votes. The people have spoken, and they elected Gore, now some arbitrary institution--that we like to call the Electoral College--is going to certify a man who did not win the nation vote.
Are you talking about the people that were disfranchised? The more than 50% that voted for Gore? Or are those the people whose voice does not count, whose voices fall on deaf ears. So when you say "the People have Spoken" what is it that you mean exactly.

Winners never quit and Quitters never win. Luckily for us Bush has won, hence we as a nation have one. Do you mean programs such as welfare, medicare, social security. Yeah, these programs are gems of the nation.

Dex, relax bro. If he was illiterate, he wouldn't be able to read the teleprompter to read his victory speech. He doesn't know what he's doing? Who does until they get there? A person doesn't know how to be a parent until they are put in the situation and they do the best job they can. A pawn for his father? When people have close relationships with parents, yes, they go to them for advice. Forgive him for not coming from a broken home.

The country is safe for at least four years. So let me celebrate, by taking a hit.

NOW, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!!

You know you are right mojo. I should relax. My mother always taught me that knowledge made you rich. I must say that after listening to your comment you must be the brokest black man in America. Upon further review of your statements, I find that the rest of us are now just a little dumber for taking anything that you say seriously. Obviously you do not remember that he spoke at that racist university in South Carolina. you have obviously forgotten the numerous speeches in which he attempted to make up words. You obviously payed no attention to the fact that his brother is the head of the state that unfairly got him elected. You certainly ignored the speech he gave last week in which he tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people by saying that he had a strong faith in God and his favorite scripture was John 16:3. Of course the rest of us know that he meant John 3:16. Do you know what John 16:3 says? " And they will do this because they have not known the Father nor me". Even the Lord is trying to warn us of how STUPID this man is! As for your comment about the people speaking, I must ask you to check your facts before making comments that might illustrate the level of intelligence that you may posses. My comments are not meant to cause you to dislike me but to increase your awareness by asking you to think before you talk.
Good luck with your new president and God Bless because I'm moving to Jerusalem until he is gone (sike)!

He can't be that stupid he got himself elestced. His brother didn't mess up the ballots. Idiots not being ablr to follow directions did that. If you can't follow simple instructions, perhaps your vote shouldn't count.

I don't dislike you, you seem to be a thinking fella. I have no problem with intelligent correspondence. Like it or not though, he's OUR new pres.

Because I disagree on the side of right, everyone is a little dumber? The narrow mindedness of democrats is definitley seen in those words. As far as Bush's faith we are not to judge, lest we be..

I shall propose a toast to a prosperous 4 years.