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What's wrong with the black female?
I recently received an e-mail about a black male who was explaining why 'he sold out'. His selling out was to exercise his option of exclusively dating non-black females. He listed every reason under the sun that portrayed the black female as a negative, triflin', unappreciative, uncouth animal. From his experiences, non-black females did not present this challenge.
Being a black female, I was pissed off initially. However, the more I began to think about it, I found that his comments weren't worth justifying. I am now curious to understand what other folk feel about the black female and having relationships with us. I've heard from men (both black and non-black) that there's nothing like a black woman to black women are a complete turn-off and I simply cannot date them any longer. I feel that beneath all of the angry words and recriminations, there's got to be a certain level of truth. Meaning, somewhere along the way, our culture has created within us a tenacity and determination to survive that has eclipsed our black male. Any truth? |
if a person must tear down their own race (ie. mothers, sisters,etc.)in order to justify getting in bed with another race, then only prayer will help that person. black women are no worse or better then any other women on this earth, but unfortunately we have been through some mess in this country that many other women can not relate to. we don't have time for foolishness, so if so and so doesn't want to date us, then i say "Thank God", because we as black women need a strong, compassionate, sensible, responsible man, black, white or whatever to lead us, anything less is unacceptable and not desirable in my opinion.
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As for how I feel about sistas, I'M INTO DEEP , DARK CHOCOLATE! I have traveled a bit; and have had some experiences with women of different cultures-primarily Latin and Asian ladies. I can't explain it but, I just LOVE my sistas! Yall's personalities cannot truly be categorized, and GOD himself sculptured each and every one of yall's BODIES! In all, women are women; but I HAVE TO HAVE A SISTA! |
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I feel ya. I'm the product of a military family, so I've been around the world. There are none like mother of the universe. My sisters win hands down. |
AMEN SOROR POSITIVE.... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
AMEN, AMEN TO T.O. APE! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif |
AMEN T.O. APE!
It is true that our personalities cannot be heaped together into one category. That goes for ANY race of women or men. I received an email some months ago similar to the one mentioned by jazbri, only it was written by a white female who was currently dating a black man (some of you may remember this). She had initially written it to a black magazine as a letter to the editor. Listeners wrote in to and emailed radio stations about the letter and it was eventually presented as the topic of discussion on some stations. She basically repeated what her boyfriend told her about black women (being trifling, needy, hostile, fat, etc). She also gave this LONG list of famous black men who had left their black wives for white women and THEN ended her letter by saying that instead of sistas giving ugly looks to a white woman that is with a black man, we need to watch and take notes!! Can you believe that? |
I realize what her intent was. It was evident that she wanted exactly the kind of response that she received - hostility. Not only that, but she gained a moderate amount of publicity. I just thougt it was really tacky of her to say something like that. Though she provided her email address for responses, I refrained because I felt that what she wanted was an overwhelming influx of angry letters from black women to prove her point. My intent was not to start an angry discussion with the post, but rather to show the extreme to which this stereotype thing can go.
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I read the states that The Original Ape presented. Which brings me to my point - - I have made post before similar to this topic. I firmly believe brothers need to date sisters. With the number of black females any black man should be able to find a compatible black female. If a brother wants a docile woman that barely or never voices her opinion and caters to his ever whim then there are still S I S T E R S out there that fit the build ( I just don't want one as such). If a brother wants a strong woman that is educated and independent then this type is out there. There are a variety of personalities when it comes to black women. Black men, especially educated Black men, need to find a sister and build healthy relationship instead of hooking up with Spanish, White, Irish, and all the rest. I'm tired of seeing successful Brothers with white women and I am about to get pissed seeing them with Latino women as well.
Post Scrip: I am not racist. I just believe successful Black men can find compatible successful Black women. |
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Post Scrip: I am not racist. I just believe successful Black men can find compatible successful Black women. Amen brother! ------------------ We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction. Aesop c550 BC |
great responses pham!! i love the black family and want to see it grow stronger, not taking anything away from anyone else, but i can't wait to walk down the aisle to my black king. sisters and sorors we must believe in our men and lift them up. support him in his dreams and let him know you believe in him. don't lower your standards, but give the brothers a chance to be what God intended them to be. Powerful Leaders and our bestfriends.
question to the bruhs, could it be that since there are more educated etc. black women per statistics, that some of our men are intimidated by us and choose to marry women who are less independent or who are on a lower educational/economic level? men NEED to feel needed so maybe they don't feel like sisters need them. |
AMEN, SOROR!
GOOD QUESTION... ***WAITING PATIENTLY FOR THE BROS TO RESPOND WHILE EATING POPCORN*** ***LISTENING ATTENTIVELY TO TAKE NOTES*** I CRACK MYSELF UP SOMETIMES.... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif |
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I agree 1920% with you, and even further it to say that we (women) may hold some share of the blame in this arena. As a successful, educated woman, it would make sense that I look for the same in a mate, right? Men are supposed to be able to "take care" of their women, right? For me, that would mean (at base) a man who is making close to six figures, has a BA +, owns his own home, single, no kids and tall, dark and handsome . And let's not forget, he must be willing to down for a long term (i.e. marriage), good relationship with his family and friends, fun, God-fearing (spiritual)... Well, there are some good men out there who fit all the above. But there are also many good, generous men who may not be my economic or "formal" educational equal. Would you/your family/friends think less of you/him if you were to date or marry such a man? It seems that it is difficult for many of us "successful women" to give a man in that position serious consideration outside of a date or two. For example, what if he was all the above, but made $35K instead of $95K? That may make YOU, not him, the primary breadwinner. Or he had an AA degree, and you have a MA? How do you deal with these issues in the relationship? I’m interested in hearing from both the brothers and the sisters on whether a successful relationship can develop from these type of scenarios, and if so, what elements (respective personality traits, other) must be in place to enable success--or are they ultimately doomed to fail? Best, Shela-- ------------------ Finer Womanhood: the "Cat's Meow" Since 1920 |
Personally, I feel that there is nothing like a white woman for a black man. Can I get a AMEN fellas?
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I think my original post was not understood for it's intent; however, the later one's are truly touching on the points I was attempting to get across. The point I'm driving that is essentially that we, as sistahs, have truly got to come to terms with WHY are brothas are turning to these other races. It's easy to say that the fault lies with the brothas for making that decision to be with a non-black female. The challenge in my post was for sistahs to seriously conduct a self inventory and RECOGNIZE the role that we play in turning brothas in that direction. I am also interested in what brothas have to say about our character. I am of the opinion that it is not just a 'women in general' issue. I completely believe that it is a 'black woman issue'. I received this e-mail today that I feel totally supports my point. Sorry, it's lengthy... WHY ARE BLACK WOMEN SCARING OFF THEIR MEN? Have you met this woman? She has a good job, works hard, earns a good salary. She went to college, got her master's degree; she is intelligent. She is personable, articulate, well-read, interested in everybody and everything. Yet, she's single. Or maybe you know this one. She is active in the church, faithful, and committed. She sings in the choir, serves on the usher board, attends every committee meeting. Loves the Lord and knows the Word. You'd think that with her command of the Scriptures and the respect of her church members, she'd have a marriage as solid as a rock. But again, no husband. Or perhaps you recognize the community activist. She's a black lady or as she prefers, an African American woman on the move. She sports a short natural, sometimes cornrow braids, or even dreadlocks. She's an organizer, a motivator, a dynamo. Her work for her people speaks for itself-organizing women for a self-help collective, raising funds for a community cause, educating others around a new issue in South Africa. Black folks look up to her, and white folks know she's a force to be reckoned with. Yet once again, the men leave her alone. What do these women have in common? They have so much; what is it they lack? Why is it they may be able to hook a man but can't hold him? The women puzzle over this quandary themselves. They gather at professional clubs, at sorority meetings or over coffee at the office and wonder what's wrong with black men. They hold special prayer vigils and fast and pray and beg Jesus to send the men back to church. They find the brothers attending political strategizing sessions or participating in protests, but when it comes time to go home, the brothers go home to someone else. I know these women because I am all of these women. And after asking over and over again "What's wrong with these men?", it finally dawned on me to ask the question, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH US WOMEN?" What I have found, and what many of these women have yet to discover, is that the skills that make one successful in the church, community or workplace are not the skills that make one successful in a relationship. Linear thinking, self-reliance, structured goals and direct actions assist one in getting assignments done, in organizing church or club activities or in positioning oneself for a raise. But relationship-building requires different skills. It requires making decisions that not only to gratify you, but satisfy others. It means doing things that will keep the peace rather than achieve the goal, and sometimes it means creating the peace in the first place. Maintaining a harmonious relationship will not always allow you to take the straight line between two points. You may have to stoop to conquer or yield to win. In too many cases, when dealing with men you will have to sacrifice being right in order to enjoy being loved. Being acknowledged as the head of the household is an especially important thing for many black men, since their manhood is so often actively challenged everywhere else. Many modern women are so independent, so self-sufficient, so committed to the cause, to the church, to career-or their narrow concepts of same, that their entire personalities project an "I don't need a man" message. So they end up without one. An interested man maybe attracted but, he soon discovers that this sister makes very little space for him in her life. Going to graduate school is a good goal and an option that previous generations of blacks have not had. But sometimes the achieving woman will place her boyfriend so low on her list of priorities that his interest wanes. Between work, school and homework, she's seldom "there" for him, for the preliminaries that might develop a commitment to a woman. She's too busy to prepare him a home cooked meal or to be a listening ear for his concerns because she is so occupied with her own. Soon he uses her only for uncommitted sex since to him, she appears unavailable for anything else. Blind to the part she's playing in the problem, she ends up thinking, "Men only want one thing." And she decides she's better off with the degree than the friendship. When she's 45, she may wish she may set different priorities while she was younger. It's not just the busy career girl who can't see the forest for the trees. A couple I know were having marital troubles. During one argument, the husband confronted the wife and asked what she thought they should do about the marriage, what direction they should take. She reached for her Bible and turned to Ephesians. "I know what Paul says and I know what Jesus says about marriage," he told her. "What do you say about our marriage?" Dumbfounded, she could not say anything. Like so many of us, she could recite the Scriptures but could not apply them to everyday living. Before the year was out, the husband had filed for divorce. Women who focus on civil rights or community activism have vigorous, fighting spirits and are prepared to do whatever, whenever, to benefit black people. That's good. That's necessary. But it needs to be kept in perspective. It's too easy to save the world and lose your man. A fighting spirit is important on the battlefield, but a gentler spirit is wanted on the home front. Too many women are winning the battle and losing the home. Sometimes in our determined efforts to be strong believers and hard workers, we contemporary women downplay, denigrate or simply forget our more traditional feminine attributes. Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. Men enjoy our softness and see it as a way to be in touch with their tender side, a side they dare not show to other men. A hard-working woman is good to have on your committee. But, when a man goes home, he'd prefer a loving partner to a hard worker. It's not an easy transition for the modern black woman to make. It sounds submissive, reactionary, outmoded, oppressive. We have fought so hard for so many things, and rightfully so. We have known so many men who were shaky, jive and untrustworthy. Yet we must admit that we are shaky, jive and willful in our own ways. Not having a husband allows us to do whatever we want, when and how we want to do it. Having one means we have to share the power and certain points will have to be surrendered. We are terrified of marriage and commitment-yet dread the prospect of being single and alone. Throwing ourselves into work seems to fill the void without posing a threat. But like any other drug, the escape eventually becomes the cage. To make the break, we need to do less and "be" more. I am learning to "be still and know," to be trusting. I am learning to stop competing with black men and to collaborate with them, to temper my assertive and aggressive energy with softness and serenity. I'm not preaching a philosophy of "women should be seen and not heard." But I have come to realize that I and many of my smart and independent sisters-are out of touch with our feminine center and therefore out of touch with our men. Yall' I know that was long... By the end, all I could say was "Amen, you betta preach!" [This message has been edited by jazbri (edited October 10, 2000).] [This message has been edited by jazbri (edited October 10, 2000).] |
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Preach it! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif You make some very good points in your post. All I can say is folks need to pick up When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost by Joan Morgan. She discusses many of these exact issues. Specifically, she discusses the myth of the STRONGBLACKWOMAN. Let me clarify. She sees nothing wrong with black women being strong, but she does she a problem with black women trying to be superwoman, i.e. flexin' out of control, trying to do everything for everyone, except ourselves. It is, of course, extremely important to be involved, and to care about one's community, but STRONGBLACKWOMEN often do this at the expense of their own personal well-being and their intimate relationships often suffer. This may be because they subscribe to the philosophy that they don't need anyone and are not in touch with their emotions, because they are afraid to look "weak." So, jazbri, Joan would probably agree with some of what you are saying. She also talks about the ENDANGEREDBLACKMAN. Women know what I am talking about, because everyone has heard at least one woman say, "Oh there are no good black men...they're all in prison, gay, dawgs, uneducated...." The list goes on. Joan Morgan also talks about how black men are seen as endangered because they supposedly have a rougher time in our society; they, more than the black women who is educated and "taking all the jobs", are being "oppressed by the man." What these beliefs lead to are a general idea that because men are so endangered, women should lower their standards for these men and not be so successful, etc. etc. (Joan Morgan points out that this is why you see some of the most on point sistahs with the most tired of brothas.) Women feel like they must settle because they really don't have much to choose from. On the other hand, Morgan seems to say that women are too materialistic and they focus on the wrong things when trying to determine who's a "good" man. (I've heard many men get heated over this one.) Women miss out on perfectly good men when they reject brothas on the basis of the job he has, or the car he drives, etc. etc. On a personal note, jazbri, I don't think it's a question of a return to our more "feminine" selves - a woman how is successful and on point is certainly feminine! - I think it is more of achieving some sort of balance. People (Women) should put as much effort into their intimate relationships and their personal connections as they do into their professional lives and social contributions. Sorry for the long post. I guess we both had lots to say!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Peace Love and Progression B.N. ------------------ "I thought making a record and receiving some form of public affirmation would bring me the love I desired in my life, only to find that what I wanted no one could give, and what I searched for lived in my heart waiting to be discovered." -Me'shell Ndegeocello |
goodness http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif my my my, ok i agree disagree and don't know, but i appreciate all that was said. hmmmm well let me ask this, why did the black woman all of a sudden feel the need to take care of her self so much and her family/community, could it be that the black man with all his oppression etc. was not getting the job done http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif someone had to take up the slack. my boyfriend is younger then me and still has many years before he gets his degree (if he gets it, cause they are not easy to come by) but i believe in him. he doesn't have a nice car, it runs, its clean. he is intelligent, but i'm more cultured so to speak. i make more money then him, drive a nicer car, i technically am the breadwinner, you know if i looked at it from these perspectives then i would be lowering my standards, its not fair, but unfortunately many many sisters unless they choose to remain single or marry outside their race will have to marry men who are not on their economic or educational level, but as long as he is ambitious, loves you and is going for his then i don't see the problem, that's just life, that's the plate we were handed as blacks in this country, but it will not always be that way, i hope, eventually the majority of the brothers have got to rise to the occassion, so we don't always have to.
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All of this is true. Did anyone realize that this is almost an all female conversation?
Here we are in a frat room. ALONE http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I guess I am a male basher. That is what my fiance tells me. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I just have a hard time when it comes to men and women relating because we think so differently sometimes about some subjects. For example: My best friend is married. Her husband was the one who really wanted to get married. (she was still in school.) Guess what, now that she has graduated he feels that his position has been threatened (he said so). She make more but she always has. He expects her to work just as long as he does then come home and cook, clean, entertain guest and then give "it" up. Recently, he came home found that she did not put away the laundry and called her a lazy f-ing b----. Then she said if it is like that (and she is the mother of his child) then maybe she sould not be his wife. So he took her keys (house car and all) and told her to leave. When she tried to get HER car keys he pushed her. The only thing that saved her was her brother heard it all and caught her. She would have hit her head on the corner of a wall. This all took place in front of their child. I say all of this to say, she tried to yield and be supportive but his lack of accomplishment almost caused her harm. Where do you draw the line between giving the support that is needed and stroking someones ego. My experience has been that a lot of men need to feel superior. They need someone to look up to them as a child does to a parent. I read the book Men Are From Mars, Women Are.... The man that wrote the book said that men need to be needed but if you are too needy that is dependent and they don't like that either. They want you independent but not too independent. I don't understand. I love black men. I want then to feel good about themselves because they are our kings. But why do I have to be made small for him to stand tall? I want to be his queen and if I remember correctly, queens are just as loved and respected and well taken care of. Yes, I asked my fiance but he is the same, he is good to me but let me even sound pro something female and he thinks I'm saying I don't need men. I just don't get it. I can be supportive but I can not be subserviant. I think some men have their head in the fifties when women did not think that they could breathe without their husband's approval. That is just not me. I can't do it just to help a man feel like he is in control. I don't want to control him but I need him to realize that he does not control me. (When I say he/him I don't mean my fiance I just mean a man, any man) I'm sorry that this is so long but it has been bottled up. ------------------ Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. L.R.O.G. #1 Fall 97 Omicron Pi |
I guess that I am the only one who found Fatto's comment a little disturbing?
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http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I wasn't sure if you were disagreeing with jazbri's or my post, but either way...I do understand where you are coming from. Somebody had to pick up the slack. And I certainly think that if a man is right with and respects himself and loves and respects you, there shouldn't be a problem, regardless of what kind of car he drives, what kind of degree he has or doesn't have... Just my two cents... B.N. ------------------ "I thought making a record and receiving some form of public affirmation would bring me the love I desired in my life, only to find that what I wanted no one could give, and what I searched for lived in my heart waiting to be discovered." -Me'shell Ndegeocello |
My brother this year married a caucasian woman. Needless to say, I was devastated when the whole thing went down. YES, I was rather ruthless because I knew he way buying into the fact of what amerikkklan society what televising and advertising. However, I did attend both his wedding ceremony and reception. And although I chose not to be in his wedding (YES, I am the one who will have to face God and explain my actions) it basically broke down to this one thought: Am I going to ruin my brother's and my relationship for the rest of our lives for just a minimum of 2 hours of smiling even if it's fake? Can't I smile for just 2 hours? And I answered yes to both questions...
I am a trying to broaden my experiences and become a Pan Afrikanist, much like W.E.B. Dubois, Nkembe Nkrumah and Ntokaze Shange (sorry for the spelling). The fact is pham, is why would this society want to espouse the development and strengthen the Afrikan family? Isn't it within unity, there is strength? Do you think the europeons would want that to seriously happen, really? I love my bruhs and they have treated me like crap. And as much crap as I have taken from them, I still love 'em. I can't help myself to the taste of chocolate! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif So for those out there that could go either way, never it ain't over till it's over. Ultimately what comes around, goes around and if you ain't straight with yourself, you won't find anyone to make it straight for jah... I guess that's why HBO's Sex and the City is so popular... Just my $0.08 cents worth. [This message has been edited by AKA_Monet (edited October 10, 2000).] |
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No I found it disturbing as well. I really didn't know what to say exactly. I didn't want to just snap off http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif I guess I am over here contemplating an intelligent response. I'm contemplating not responding at all. After all, even though I strongly disagree with him, he is entitled to his opinion just as everyone else is. You know what I mean? Peace Love and Progression B.N. ------------------ "I thought making a record and receiving some form of public affirmation would bring me the love I desired in my life, only to find that what I wanted no one could give, and what I searched for lived in my heart waiting to be discovered." -Me'shell Ndegeocello |
Well Fatto, if you are still out there, please feel free to elaborate on you comment!
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I guess that I am the only one who found Fatto's comment a little disturbing? -Teresa At first I found the comment disturbing as well. But then I decided to take it for what it's worth. This person is obviously just trying to start some mess in the A Phi A forum and I think everyone realizes that. The best way to deal with this type of post is to ignore it. AKA_Monet, as usual you have made some very profound statements. Now I have a very long post to add. This is an email that was sent to me. All of a sudden I feel like baking....Feel Me Sistahs? Black Man Recipe I'm making a black man cake cause I'm hungry as hell. And the sweet tooth I have, only a brother can break the spell. Let me reach into my spice rack to see what I can get. To make a mix that will stick to my stomach you can bet. 2 cups of intelligence, 1 cup of sugar brown. Cause he's got to be sweet, mental deep and sound. Cinnamon is always good to accent the taste. A few cups of culture so he's down for his race. You see, I won't bite into anything that's not conscious of its own. That's why I stick to chocolate and leave angel food alone. I am adding butter cause he must be smooth. 2 raisins for the dimples will also be cool. I must add some nuts so he can reproduce. Can't leave him hanging cause I like kids too! I think I'll add a little salt to balance him out. And a dominant profile to show he has clout. For a responsible man I'll throw in some yeast. I'll add 8 cups of strength and into the oven bake. turn it to 360 degrees to balance out his mental state. Now that it's done I'm sorry sistas I won't share the wealth. That's why I'm sharing the recipe because I'm eating this Black man all by myself. Good Black men are indeed all around us. We pass them on thestreets, in the malls and the halls at work. Most we can't see because we don't know what a good man looks like. He usually isn't flashy enough or rich enough to turn our heads. He might not wear a suit or push a Lex. He might not have a "body like Arnold with a Denzel face". But as you mature, you realize it's better to find someone sho's got your back, than someone who turns your head. A good man doesn't wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. He doesn't just tell you what you want to hear, then do the opposite. He doesn't declare how sensitive, caring, sweet, sincere, yadda, yadda he is. (He won't have to because it shows). He has his own opinions and you may clash, but he doesn't have to degrade you to prove he's right. He even admits at times to being wrong, especially if you are willing to do the same. A good man isn't going to meet every item on your checklist. He is human with frailties and faults mixed in with all of his wonderful, strong attributes. He needs your love and respect. He needs to feel that you don't live to "catch" him doing something wrong so you can declare "Aha! I knew you were a dog!" A good man doesn't necessarily give you a huge birthday or Valentine's Day gift. He shows his love in the way that are comfortable to him. Don't judge him by TV standards. Noone is living that fairy tale for real. You'll miss out on your own fairy tale by buying into the myth that our men are no good. It's just not true. Black men, we salute you and thank you for who you are and all you've done. Now if we could just get some to respond to this thread....... |
Fatto, you have got to be joking!
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I don't know. Maybe it is just me! I guess I had some bad speriences (as my students would say. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
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What you talkin 'bout Original Ape?
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If we as women are so very flawed, what has caused us to becomed the way we have?
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Are you being smart. I really hope not because I was REALLY asking what do people feel caused the change. Maybe there was something in the social climate or maybe people just changed. So please tell me that you were not being a smart --- because I know that I was not.
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I think the differences that lie between our generation and our grandmothers are many. The main difference is obviously in how we were reared. My grandmothers were reared to be ladies, cheerfully create a loving home environment (inclusive of: cooking, cleaning, taking care of their husbands and children=family). They were groomed to be the 'traditional wife'. My mom raised me to be a lady, independent, complete your college education, and strive to be the best that I can. When you examine the two scenarios (my grandmothers and mine), they are completely different! I've made it clear in my previous posts the areas that I feel we've gone completely astray. I completely lump myself in the category of having gone astray of what I feel is the ultimate achievement. It would be to actually achieve the best of both the old and new generations, balancing a career with a positive, stable, nurturing home environment. (MUCH EASIER SAID THAN DONE) Being a single (soon-to-be divorced) mom of two, I can definitely see where I've gone wrong in my marriage, career, and the raising of my kids. My goal now is to achieve a healthy balance in all areas.
Original Ape, thanks for the compliment. I's blushin'! You're actually not too far from my hometown, Cleveland! [This message has been edited by jazbri (edited October 12, 2000).] [This message has been edited by jazbri (edited October 12, 2000).] |
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Thank YOU Jazbri.
i'm just wondering, you have said alot about the woman's role. What do you fell, from personal experience or from your "research" is the "proper" role of a man in a relationship/family? I'm asking 'cause it is always good to learn new opinions. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif |
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I think technology has a greater impact on life than people think. Look how easy cellular phones and pagers have made it to cheat. |
"All of this is true. Did anyone realize that this is almost an all female conversation?
Here we are in a frat room. ALONE" Sister - a reply is forthcoming (lol) |
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