Redskins Fans (and other NFL watchers):
 

As we all know, Washington's quarterback situation is dire. As they say on Sportscenter and PTI, having three quarterbacks is the same as having none. Below Ill provide Steve Spurrier's options, and we can see what is the most popular option for next season.

Start Patrick Ramsey
Start Danny Wuerffel
Start Shane Matthews
Trade for Kurt Warner
Trade for Marc Bulger
Trade for Brian Griese
Trade for Jake Plummer
Trade for Vinny Testaverde
Draft Carson Palmer
Draft Brad Banks
Draft Ken Dorsey
Draft Byron Leftwich
Draft Eli Manning

Keep in mind while some of the trades seem unlikely, these QBs are on the fence, and Washington is willing to trade star RB Stephen Davis. This trade could also put the Skins higher on draft priority.

Re: Redskins Fans (and other NFL watchers):
 

If they were to trade for Griese, i think they'd have to offer something else rather than Stephen Davis. Denver's got a stable of running backs that have been 1,000 rushers.

As far as Manning, i'd like to see him go back to Ole Miss for his senior year. If they can get a defense around him, the Rebels could make some noise in the SEC.

Kitso
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Not a Redskin fan, but some thoughts
 

Kurt Warner's intriguing. But there's some baggage and controversy over his injury -- I heard that Mrs. Brenda Warner basically called Coach Mike Martz a liar in a call to a St. Louis local sports radio host.

Vinnie Testaverde is too old. Marc Bulger's been good, but he needs to be more than a one-season wonder.

Patrick Ramsey was a No. 1 draft choice. If I'm the Redskins, wouldn't it make sense to try to develop the kid, throw him in there and see what he can do? Isn't Steve Spurrier supposed to be a great developer of kwatabaques? (sic)

I'd try to develop Ramsey; as Steeltrap mentioned, he was a first round pick, you've gotta put some time into him.

As for the college quarterbacks...Leftwich and Palmer are the best two coming out.

Collin

I stay stick with what you have. Ramsey will need time to develop. You look at all of his mistakes but a QB is not always at fault for every one of his mistakes. A lot of that responsibility is with the offensive line giving good protection and keeping the pressure off.. Which they're not doing.

I forgot to add one...rumors abound that Spurrier would try to bring in another Gator, Rex Grossman. Add that one.

Also, Denver management is growing increasingly unhappy with Griese's work, and for some odd reason Mike Shanahan may be sticking with Steve Beuerlein.

Well, Spurrier is a great developer of QB's...on the college level. He is simply not used to the difference in intensity at the NFL level.

I do agree that he should try to develop Ramsey, but they do need solid backups. I would try to draft Banks or Dorsey (who is a Spurrier-type QB). If they trade Davis, they are gonna need to come up with a running game. Although it always got overshadowed at UF, his QB only excelled because they had a strong running game.

Also, whoever said the O-line is important is right too. A QB is only as good as the line that protects him. If the line is gonna suck, he needs to look for a scrambler.

All in all, I don't think Spurrier was really prepared for the NFL. If he thinks that 2 okie-doke QB's from NCAA football are gonna propel a team to an NFL championship, he will be sorely disappointed.

Rex Grossman S-U-C-K-S under pressure. He cannot scramble. He gets nervous easily. He can throw and he is VERY accurate, but not with the Washington line protecting him.

Seneca Wallace of ISU would make an excellent addition to the Redskins. He performs with virtually NO offensive line.

I like this thread!


I have some inside information on what might happen in the next year.


First, Grossman is going to go pro. I know this for a fact. Despite his not so hot season and librasoul22's comment, he is a good quarterback. The offensive cordinator for Florida is terrible. The type of offensive Ron Zook and company brought to UF is not Florida football. This would explain the bad season. Practically all of the players on the team had to conform to an entirely different style of play once Zook and his coaches came onto the scene. The other reason for the season is the fact that Grossman was allowed to call his own plays earlier in the season and Zook put too much responsiblity on the shoulders of the young man. ZB's offense is not Fun-n-Gun, Grossman is a Fun-n-Gun QB.

Now, for the juicy part.

Eli Manning is not that good of a QB and him going to Washington is something funny while you're drunk. Sober, it's grounds for a cat fight.

Ken Dorsy is good but a tad bit over rated. Miami is in the Big East conference and that particular conference is the easiest in the NCAA, easier than the pansy ACC.

Steve Spurrier has said over and over again that Rex Grossman is the best player he has ever coached. He knows and plays the offense better than any other QB under Steve's belt.

My take, Washington will trade a few players to the Bengals inorder to obtain the first pick in the next draft

***OR***

Washington will strike a deal with another team during the 2nd round inorder to get Grossman.


Grossman knows he'll likely end up in Washington. He said prematurely he's going to go pro, then re-tracted the statement once he realized he needed to hush.

We all know nothing is concrete until the draft has taken place and we all like to guess, however certain coaches still have certain players phone numbers and still talk to them on a regular basis about their future in the NFL.

Even if Grossman did not go to Washington, he'd still go in the second round or top of the 3rd. My guess is he'll end up with a team that has a pass oriented game or the West Coast offense. Either way, most players in the NFL don't start making the big money until their contracts are re-structured after they start performing well.

Re: Not a Redskin fan, but some thoughts
 

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Ramsey traded.......

Marc Bulger is a free agent after this season and if he leaves the Rams, I am gonna be pissed.

I don't think the Rams will trade Warner after one bad season. He pretty much put together the 3 best seasons a QB can have.

I'd draft Dorsey.

Jay Scroeder (sp?) or Doug William will get the Skins back in shape.

I think it would be a good idea if they just got rid of the whole team. Then I could watch my Precious Packers on Fox on Sunday instead of mooching at a friend's house with DirecTV or going to a bar. I actively dislike the redskins. Anyway, to really answer the question:

1. I think they get someone like Marc Bulger OR continue to develop Patrick Ramsey. They need a young guy that they can build a team around. Most importantly they need to develop that guy and not stick him on the bench every other game.

2. Upgrade that offensive line of theirs. Of course your poor QB is going to throw a lot of interceptions if he has to get the ball off in a hurry or run for his life. (Have you seen footage of them? They've all got this wide eyed look like they know the end is near. Dirt does not taste good.)

3. Run the damn ball more effectively.
A. USE Stephen Davis, don't trade him.
B. See number 2 above


4. GET SPURRIER'S HEAD OUT OF HIS A$$. This is the NFL not the SEC, thanks. Their offense is never going to get in a rhythm if they keep changing QBs and don't run the ball with some efficiency (see number 2).

Play Ramsey more. Get the him the playing time for the rest of the year, than start him next year. Its not just the qb in Washington, their runningback is starting to slow down (average yards per carry) and they need better receivers. They also need a younger defensive line, Smith is slowing down as well.

I think Stephen Davis still has a few good years ahead of him. That offensive line of their is a killer.

Thrill - you're right about Bruce Smith (Bless his Hokie heart). I think it might be time for him to retire.

The redskins have been the eagles farm team it seems lately. But they would not get Stephen Davis. They have Staley, westbrook, and Buckhalter once he comes back next year from injury.

Still, James Thrash, ND Kalu, Brian Mitchell, the list goes on.

Zetaace, Smith will want to break Reggie Whites sack record before he retires, but he is only six away so I see him sticking around for one more year.

I think we've gotta remember the difference between a good college quarterback and a good pro quarterback.

I don't think Dorsey has much of a shot in the NFL - I just don't see the arm strength there, his throwing motion is kinda off-kilter too.

Wallace and Banks: good college quarterbacks, but probably not that great in the pros. I see Carson Palmer and Byron Leftwich as the best two prospects...Rex Grossman could be good, but he could also be Danny Wuerfell.

I agree with Arya...maybe the Skins should just bring back Doug Williams...

Collin

I hope you're not serious about Williams. He played ONE good game in his career and that happened to be at the Superbowl.

P.S. Rex Grossman will SUCK at the NFL level. In fact...he SUCKS now.

Man, I hate to break it to y'all, but Ballcoach ain't a moron . . .

Why change QBs all over the place? OPEN TRYOUT for next season; also he gets to see how Ramsey performs on the bench, if he practices hard when he's not playing, all that kind of stuff.

EVEN BETTER! He mails it in, gets better draft position, so he can grab a Brad Banks or etc in the 2nd or 3rd round.

mrblond - there really is no way to trade for Plummer (or Bulger) - they're in the last year under contract, and no trades after the 6th week in the NFL - they'd have to sign as a free agent (although the price won't be ridiculous for either).

ktsnake - I highly doubt Seneca Wallace's future as an NFL quarterback - size, plus heart, do him in. He completely mailed it in at the end of the season, not pretty.

Now, as far as trading Stephen Davis (or Patty Ramsey) - Spurrier's not a terrible judge of talent, and he has pretty good people around him (just not in the front office). If he feels someone like Ladell Betts, who catches well out of the backfield but doesn't hit the hole as hard as Davis, can perform better in his offense (which is a lot of single-back sets, misdirection, spreading the field, setting up one-on-one matchups) . . . maybe he's right. If he feels like Ramsey can't cut it, let's get someone else.

I think the best option is playing Ramsey for now, and keeping your options open for 2003. For instance:

-their O-line is brutal. Just awful. I'd be using high-round choices on sure-thing offensive linemen (Steinback at guard, Al Johnson at center, etc - many good linemen coming out).

-if they can turn a trade of Stephen Davis into a draft pick who will contribute, a la Clinton Portis this season, do it. You can always pick up a Banks, etc in the 2nd round, so a Ramsey trade doesn't seem out of the question. Remember, Spurrier didn't draft Ramsey . . .

-drafting Ken Dorsey is suicide - might as well trade for John Kitna

-no need to acquire someone old and shitty, like Testaverde or similar - you can pick up free talent as long as the system is sound (look at Bulger this season).

-Don't sell the farm for a high draft choice - paging KiJana Carter, Rashaan Salaam, etc

He couldn't hit second base from the track . . .

Perfect analogy for all three - i see Banks and Wallace as trying to stay on in a sort of 'slash' (or Randle El) role . . . whether that'll be successful, who knows? I wouldn't want to roll the dice on any of them, not with an early draft pick.

I agree with you about Grossman.

Williams played most of his career in the USFL though, and before he defected from the NFL, he was Tampa Bay's quarterback for their first playoff appearance in the early 80's. Granted, not the makings of a great quarterback, but better than most give him credit for; if anyone was a fluke in the Super Bowl, it was Timmy Smith (over 200 yards rushing, horrible career otherwise)

Collin