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librasoul22 11-11-2002 11:49 PM

Drama!! Yay!
 
LOL.

Okay, so CT4, I am gonna bite your style really quick...

What are some of you guy's radical and controversial beliefs/ideas? There is an INTERESTING discussion about this over on DST, but I think there might be some interesting stuff here too, lol.

Dionysus 11-11-2002 11:52 PM

Re: Drama!! Yay!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by librasoul22
There is an INTERESTING discussion about this over on DST, but I think there might be some interesting stuff here too, lol.
And....you know this MANNNNNN!!!! :D

Hey all you homophobes, I belive that everyone is bi-sexual to a degree, what matters is what you act out on. In other words, no one is 100% heterosexual nor 100% homosexual.

33girl 11-12-2002 12:06 AM

I believe that sleeping with ONE person (other than your spouse) after you're married is worse than sleeping with 100 people before you're married.

valkyrie 11-12-2002 12:22 AM

I believe:

Every person should have AT LEAST two sexual partners in life (i.e., not just one), but preferably at least 5. I couldn't imagine how anyone could go through life only having sex with one person -- and I don't think that a guy COULD.

ALL drugs should be legalized

In rebirth

That HIV does not cause AIDS

and I agree with Dionysus on the bisexual thing

I'm sure there are more. I'm kind of a freak...

xok85xo 11-12-2002 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
I believe:

Every person should have AT LEAST two sexual partners in life (i.e., not just one), but preferably at least 5. I couldn't imagine how anyone could go through life only having sex with one person -- and I don't think that a guy COULD.


i agree with you entirely!! i know 2 couples who got married and both of them were virgins when they met(one couple lost it to each other, another lost it on their actual wedding night) i don't know, i think if it were me eventually i would start to wonder if thats the best it can be/what its like with other people..

i believe:

(and i apologize if this offends anyone) that if you live in the united states you need to speak english. i'm sorry, i don't care where you're from: israel, china, mexico, italy, mars whatever, it doesn't matter. i wouldn't move to france and expect to get by on english, no i would learn french and i would speak it.

that you can't make a valid argument on the pros and cons of legalizing marijuana unless you've actually tried it yourself, however i cannot make that same generalization for legalization of all drugs.

AGDPrincess70 11-12-2002 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
I believe that sleeping with ONE person (other than your spouse) after you're married is worse than sleeping with 100 people before you're married.
I completely agree with you! I also believe that living together before you're married does not help you get to know the person better or whatever else those people say...IT'S TRASHY!!!

dzrose93 11-12-2002 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xok85xo
i believe:

(and i apologize if this offends anyone) that if you live in the united states you need to speak english. i'm sorry, i don't care where you're from: israel, china, mexico, italy, mars whatever, it doesn't matter. i wouldn't move to france and expect to get by on english, no i would learn french and i would speak it.

My thoughts exactly! I'm irritated every time I have to wait longer at the ATM because of that stupid screen asking whether I want to conduct my transaction in English or Spanish -- or when I call my doctor's office to get a prescription refilled and spend 5 minutes of my cell phone time listening to the Spanish version of the voice mail message when I already heard the English version. I'm in GEORGIA, not Mexico. If I was in Mexico, then I'd be taking some more Spanish classes so that I could function in the country properly.

I just don't believe that we should cater so much to non-English speaking people in this country -- if we'd stop putting everything in two or three languages, then folks might actually take the time to learn some basic English. :rolleyes:

aephi alum 11-12-2002 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dzrose93
I just don't believe that we should cater so much to non-English speaking people in this country -- if we'd stop putting everything in two or three languages, then folks might actually take the time to learn some basic English. :rolleyes:
I spent 2 years living in an apartment building where the fire alarm system had just been redone. There were a ton of false alarms. And, whenever the alarm went off, here's what happened:

1. Announcement in English stating that there is an emergency in the building and that you will hear a second siren if your floor is being evacuated. If your floor is not being evacuated you should stay in your apartment.
2. Repetition of the announcement in English.
3. Repetition of the announcement in Japanese.
4. Repetition of the announcement in Chinese.
5. Repetition of the announcement in Spanish.
6. The floor-specific warning siren.

By the time they'd gotten through all those announcements, if there'd been an actual fire, the building would have burned down while everyone sat in their apartment wondering if they should evacuate. :rolleyes:

ZTAMiami 11-12-2002 02:29 PM

Old people shouldn't drive! After the age a 60 in order to keep your license you should be required to take a yearly drivers test.

Bring back emissions tests in Florida, please!--(maybe thats not radical or controversial:) )

Mandatory foreign language instruction starting in grade shool.

Mandatory etiquette instruction starting in grade school.

Parents of grossly obese children should be charged with child abuse unless there is a medical reason for their condition.

I am against the death penalty but am pro-choice. Contradiction, maybe. MY OPINION!

Dionysus 11-12-2002 02:39 PM

Women will go back to being barefoot and pregnant w/in the next 50 years. :(

School shouldn't be mandatory for children.

Lil' Hannah 11-12-2002 02:55 PM

equality in primary education on a national level (i think sweden does this)

Dionysus 11-12-2002 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
equality in primary education on a national level (i think sweden does this)
what do you mean by that?

IowaHawkeye 11-12-2002 04:17 PM

Get your a$$ off of welfare and go get a J-O-B!!!! I'm sick of working hard and paying taxes so that people can sit around all day and make babies that they cannot support.

There should be a law, before you can have a kid, you have to have the money to support it in the bank!!

xok85xo 11-12-2002 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaHawkeye
There should be a law, before you can have a kid, you have to have the money to support it in the bank!!
damn straight..i think that in order to have children you should have to get a license

also - homeless people. i know the economy is tough, its hard to find a job especially when you don't have a permenant home, but don't most shelters allow you to provide their address as your home address? i'm sorry, but i work for my money i'll be damned if i am going to just hand it over to you..i have a job, you should get one too.

MoxieGrrl 11-12-2002 04:35 PM

-The basic premise of communism could work

-Kids should have to put themselves through college

-Everyone in the US should have to say the Pledge of Allegiance

-Pedophiles should be castrated

-Baseball/football/basketball/hockey players should make $100,000 a year,tops. It's a game, for goodness sakes! (They can get their travel & food paid for though.)

-You need a license to have children.

LXA1048 11-12-2002 04:37 PM

It drives me insane that colleges have remedial classes. We are in college! If you can't spell, read, or add, you need to be somewhere else. The universities try to make it so everyone can go to college. I say F*CK that. The only people that should be in college are those people that deserve to be in college. The world needs garbage pickers too. It aggrevates me that because everyone goes to college now, my degree that I worked hard for won't be worth shit. I think that if you don't get at least a 20 on the ACT or have a 2.75 GPA in high school, you should look into ITT or something like that.

Just an opinion, some of my friends actually fall into this catagory, and they are idiots.

doubleblue&gold 11-12-2002 05:00 PM

English should be the OFFICIAL languaage of the US. I live here, grew up here, didn't ask you to come here, and I am not talking to you in another language here!

College is not for everyone and those of us that worked to get thru it and continue to earn a living should not have to pay for someone else to go.

Let the punishment fit the crime. If someone murders another person....fry them!

Everyone---individuals and corporations alike should pay a flat tax of 10%. No deductions, no tax breaks, no way to squirm out of paying.

Medical care costs are out of sight.. Quit letting the insurance companies dictate and the costs will come down in a free enterprise system.

Dionysus 11-12-2002 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LXA1048
It drives me insane that colleges have remedial classes. We are in college! If you can't spell, read, or add, you need to be somewhere else. The universities try to make it so everyone can go to college. I say F*CK that. The only people that should be in college are those people that deserve to be in college. The world needs garbage pickers too. It aggrevates me that because everyone goes to college now, my degree that I worked hard for won't be worth shit. I think that if you don't get at least a 20 on the ACT or have a 2.75 GPA in high school, you should look into ITT or something like that.

Just an opinion, some of my friends actually fall into this catagory, and they are idiots.

LOL, there are now REMEDIAL CLASSES in college? I know at some colleges there are services that gives student accomodations, like extended test times. Is that what you're talking about?

I guess I better tell my little brother who made a 28 on the ACTs and graduated w/ a 3.5 gpa who is also dyslexic and needs extra time on certain tests, that he needs to find a job at Taco Bell, because he's not cut for college. :rolleyes:

LXA1048 11-12-2002 05:28 PM

There are classes at most state universities that are below the standard level of classes. ENG 101 is the standard entry-level English class. Most universities offer Eng. 100 or ENG 099. These are prerequisites if you didn't score high enough on the ENG portion of the ACT. You must take them before you take the standard ENG 101. Your brother is fine. That is not what I was talking about. He exceeded my minimum requirements (or what I think they should be). People with learning disabilities are still very intelligent people. I just hate the fact that people who really have no place in college are getting in through the remedial class programs and because so many people are getting in through these programs, it makes my degree just a piece of paper. I think college should be a privilege, not just something you do after high school.

h2oot 11-12-2002 05:58 PM

I believe that:

1. Living with somebody before you're married does not help you get to know the other person, and in fact may put too much pressure on the relationship regarding getting married.

2. Having sex without love is a downer.

Fewdfreak 11-12-2002 09:17 PM

I have a very strong opinon some issues, one which resulted in big arguements with my high school biology teacher last year. I'm very pro-choice and I feel that women who get that have tons of kids, can't support them, etc... should get paid (in WIC credit or food stamp vouchers or something) to have abortions. This would prevent them from having kids and becoming a drain on our society, and it would give them a few extra dollars for their children. I realize this has some potential flaws in it as people would be like "So we are paying the money for hoes to have sex and get pregnant, so we are encouraging promicious sex and abortion by offering them money?!" No, the reimbursements would be in food stamps for something, and it would be an option for those who do not wish to have a child. I'm not saying 'free abortion to all, and if free isn't tempting enough, we will pay YOU!', but think maybe it's a start.

Another, less radical idea I think we should implement is offering women who have had tons of kids a free tubal ligation, or offering them vochers or money again to undergo the procedure. This too has it's problems as the procedure is usually permanant, and people may realize they want more kids, but if they are unable to take care of the kids they have, I feel they do not deserve more. My mother works with someone who offered to PAY for his step-daughter who is 29, has 4 kids, all by different fathers, and is on welfare to be 'fixed'. She refused and told him what if she finds someone she loves, and wants to have his babies, considering that the woman has been married twice in such a short time, and has two kids out of wedlock, I'd say her knack for picking 'the right one' is a little off. There are too many starving, poverty-ridden children in this country, and we need to take steps to irradicate this problem.

sororitygirl2 11-12-2002 11:12 PM

I wish bars had stricter "people" codes... they don't let you in if you are dressed inapporpriately, yet you can stll be an obnoxious a$$ and hang out in the same place as me and my friends -- not fair!

Okay, that's not too controversial... just my little rant.

Anyway...

- Yes, I agree with mandatory foreign languages in schools (I started French when I was five)
- I would like it if everyone in America made an effort to speak English
- Legalizing drugs might be a good idea
- Lower drinking age significantly (think Europe)

I know there are tons more... I just can't think right now.

UFKappaGrL 11-13-2002 04:28 AM

In response to FEWDFREAK... I am very pro-choice (women should have the right to make their own decisions regarding the matter etc) and think that abortion is a good way to cut down on welfare and government spending like that....

However I don't think people should be paid to have abortions, that is a bit extreme and could be abused on many levels

I don't think people should sleep together the first time they meet
Don't have unprotected sex... NO MATTER WHAT... (one exception... you are prepared to have a child)
I think that boys shouldn't ask for your number unless they intend on calling
I don't understand why they don't have more stalls in the women's bathroom than the guy's at things like sports arenas and theaters...

valkyrie 11-13-2002 10:53 AM

I have a question for those saying that people should need a license to have kids: who would do the licensing?

Dionysus 11-13-2002 12:32 PM

I believe that about 90% of nausea and vomiting is psychological and is voluntary.

I believe abortion is completely unnecessary (unless the mother's life is in danger), otherwise ADOPTION is the way. Sure, kids pop up unexpectedly and the parents may not be mature or ready enough to raise a child, HOWEVER there's those who are, who CAN'T have children.

I believe everyone should go a certain amount of time of being dirt poor, alone, and rejected. Maybe we would have more humble, appreciative, and selfless people in the world if so.

Lil' Hannah 11-13-2002 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dionysus


what do you mean by that?

Basically like welfare for education.
Instead of schools being funded locally, there would be an education tax, of sorts, on a national level to ensure that every school in the country got the same amount of funding from the same source.

I don't know if you're familiar with the current system, but schools are funded by local property taxes, meaning the kids in Montgomery County, MD (one of the wealthiest counties in the nation) enjoy new computers, state-of-the-art science labs, new textbooks, etc. while students in East St. Louis, IL (arguably the worst school system in the nation) are still uing Apple II computers, they can't afford to remove the asbestos from the buildings, and teachers have to pay out of pocket for crayons and paper.

A lot of people don't like supporting others, but it's unfair to deny a child a decent education because his parents couldn't afford to live in an affluent area.

ZTAngel 11-13-2002 06:26 PM

There should be no such thing as an insanity plea. If you kill another human being, you should put away for life regardless of your state of mind at the time of the murder....end of story. Only exception would be self defense or in cases of domestic abuse when a partner withstands years of torture and finally decides to put an end to it because they feel they have no other way out.

I also feel that rapists should be put away for life.

aggieAXO 11-14-2002 12:00 AM

you should have a license to have a child (I am sure we can create a govt progem for this-why not add it to the other lovely ones we currently have, maybe instead of a commitee on welfare we could change it to licensing for parents)

there should be a limit of 2 children per family (unless you are adopting), this goes for everyone no matter how poor or wealthy you are(HELLLOOO the environment can only withstand so many people on this planet!)

there should be a special reason you are driving an SUV-not just b/c you like them (again lets think about the environment)

you should also be licensed to have an animal, I am tired of dealing with all the stupid people out there who won't take care of their sick pet and then say to me"I thought you cared about animals"-f&*k you I have to make a living too!

you need to discipline children and yes that might mean spanking them once in awhile, spanking does not=beating

CarolinaCutie 11-14-2002 12:38 AM

While I don't believe in hating or condemning anyone for their lifestyle... I do believe being gay is a sin.

chideltjen 11-14-2002 12:47 AM

I don't believe in the death penalty

I am pro-choice

I am for stem cell research

I think single "parents", the elderly, homosexuals, whoever, should be able to adopt a child without question

I also think English should be an official language in the US.

In agreement with LXA, remedial classes at a standard 4 year university are pointless. That is what JCs are for. In CA, if you don't pass an english and math proficency exam, you get english 1 or math a/b... they are credit/no credit and don't count for anything toward your graduation. And I know people that can't even pass those! :mad: Please...

And George Bush should not have cut funding for diabetic research....errrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Peaches-n-Cream 11-14-2002 01:07 AM

It scares me when I hear about teenagers becoming parents. Next thing you know, some of those children become teenaged parents following in the footsteps of their parents who are now grandparents in their 30's. That's scary. :(

A fourteen year old said to me, "Back when you were my age..."
It feels like I was fourteen not that long ago, but it really was a long time ago for her since she wasn't even born back then. :(

KappaTarzan 11-14-2002 05:37 AM

more money for schools- less for 3rd world countries we donate to... i realize they are starving and need food- don't cut it all. but our own children aren't learning because they live in lower class areas, that isn't acceptable...

"safe spots" should exist in every state.. these are places where mothers can leave their newborn infants if hey are scared and dont' want them, such as police station, ER.. it saves lifes of infants who would otherwise be stuffed in trash cans..

SATX*APhi 11-14-2002 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie

That HIV does not cause AIDS

Just curious why?

SATX*APhi 11-14-2002 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xok85xo


i believe:

(and i apologize if this offends anyone) that if you live in the united states you need to speak english. i'm sorry, i don't care where you're from: israel, china, mexico, italy, mars whatever, it doesn't matter. i wouldn't move to france and expect to get by on english, no i would learn french and i would speak it.

This offends me to some degree, but I can understand why you feel that way. We are taught in English in school, cooking directions are in English, the computer programs we use are in English, the senate conducts meetings in Engish, etc, etc. It only makes sense that everyone speak in English right? Wrong. The reason why this is all in English is because a majority of US citizens speak English, not because English is the official language in the United States. There is no official language in the United States, so why must everyone speak English. We are a melting pot, aren't we? Our country is very diverse. Why can't our languages be as well?

ZTAMiami 11-14-2002 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SATX*APhi

This offends me to some degree, but I can understand why you feel that way. We are taught in English in school, cooking directions are in English, the computer programs we use are in English, the senate conducts meetings in Engish, etc, etc. It only makes sense that everyone speak in English right? Wrong. The reason why this is all in English is because a majority of US citizens speak English, not because English is the official language in the United States. There is no official language in the United States, so why must everyone speak English. We are a melting pot, aren't we? Our country is very diverse. Why can't our languages be as well?

I agree.
I think it would benefit Americans to grow up in a bilingual/multilingual environment. Its a beautiful thing to see recent immigrants be able to maintain their own businesses and make it without having full command of the English language.

Health Care and Education should not be denied to ANYONE in this country regardless of their immigration status.

Anyone who seeks asylum in this country should be given a fair chance regardless of whether or not the US government thinks their situation is political or not. (i.e. Haitians)

aephi alum 11-14-2002 10:09 AM

Interesting idea about having to get a license to have a child. You would have to prove that you have the financial resources to support a child (taking into account any other children you may already have, and a dependent spouse if applicable), and you would have to prove that you're a fit parent. Credit reports and tax returns can be used to evaluate the first, and a psychiatrist or psychologist can evaluate the second. Single parents, married couples of opposite sex, and committed gay/lesbian couples should all be eligible to apply. A woman who gets pregnant without having a license has 3 choices: abortion, adoption, or shape up in the next 9 months.

You should also have a license to get a pet, particularly a dog or cat. I'm not talking about just registering your dog - I'm talking about proving that you can take good care of dogs and/or cats, that they will be well fed, they won't be allowed to run wild, any existing pets you have get taken to the vet when necessary, etc. One of my neighbors lets their 2 mutts run wild (illegal) and yesterday we had to call animal control because they threatened my husband. :mad:

All children in school should be required to learn a second language early on (none of this waiting-until-high-school $h!t, it's far too late then). At the same time, anyone coming to this country and staying for more than a few months should learn some basic English (they don't have to be fluent, but they should be able to understand enough to do their jobs, follow directions in an emergency, etc), and their children should be taught English in school; brand new immigrants can be taught things like math and science in their own language, but with a goal toward eventually transitioning them to classes taught in English.

Prescription drugs should not be so damned expensive!! So many senior citizens do without because Medicare doesn't cover the drugs and they can't afford them on their own. :(

And I think the drinking age should be 18, not 21.

aprilxo 11-14-2002 11:13 AM

Just one concern about limiting couples to 2 children--not all couples would want to have two children (indeed, there are many out there with no children). Currently in the US the rate of production is under 2 children per couple.. it's more like 1.6 (I know that seems impossible, but this was part of stuff we were learning in one of my psych classes last semester). If it is not at least 2, then the population is decreasing rather than increasing--as it is, our population in not too long will be heavy on the elderly side, which is a big burden to a society (more people relying on being taken care of, not as many working age people, etc). Sure we hear about those worried about overpopulation, etc, but I think there is a certain point where we reach equilibrium and then it might waver up and down--but I don't think it would matter if I had 6 if I wanted to. A limit is not something that will probably happen... among other objections, it'd be against many people's religions (Catholic for instance?)

But concerning that, I don't think birth control is as good as people think it is. Sliced bread induces much more enthusiasm in me than the thought of messing with my hormones.

I also don't think people should get abortions--but I don't think it should be illegal. I think that if people are truly "pro-LIFE," then they need to do things that promote teen mothers etc CHOOSING life and get some more permanent/national support systems in place--otherwise you are just "anti-abortion."

I also think that people should have to take some kind of classes/counseling/preparation before receiving their marriage license--we have to learn how to drive, and people should realize that the act of marriage does not mean you know how to be married :rolleyes:

I don't believe in divorce (although I do not deny that there are many valid reasons for other people to dissolve their marriages). But since I don't think people should marry in haste to begin with, that would hopefully cut down on people just giving up... I am just not a quitter--but I know that that is not the case for many many many divorces so don't think that I'm dissing your parents or you or anything if y'all out there have experience with divorce. I just think the sheer numbers are ridiculous.

I'm sure I have more controversial beliefs (funny thing is, I'm pretty conservative--seems sometimes it's pretty extreme to be conservative ;))

~april

aprilxo 11-14-2002 11:18 AM

Oh, I also don't think Iraq is a threat to the USA. I think they are a threat to Israel, which means that the US cares.

The only kind of "weapon of mass destruction" I can see them having is the ability to produce is the ability to give us SMALL POX and other diseases that we don't inoculate for anymore. THAT would cause us MASSIVE problems in our extremely mobile society. Chemical weapons at least have a limit.

aggieAXO 11-14-2002 12:14 PM

I also believe in the right to euthanasia-the govt should not be able to tell you that you cannot end your life especially if you are dying of a disease

as far as the limit of 2 children goes-I have come across many people that have no business having kids yet seem to be having 3,4 or 5-this would help limit that. Maybe if we limited the number of children then welfare would eventually die out.

aephi alum 11-14-2002 12:23 PM

If there is to be a limit on number of children, it shouldn't be 2 - it should be at least 3, possibly 4.

Two children are required to take the place of their two parents in the next generation. But there are plenty of people out there who cannot have children or who choose not to have children, and there are plenty of couples who decide that one child is enough. These people, too, need to be replaced in the next generation, otherwise, as aprilxo pointed out, the overall population will decrease over time.


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