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TaraHopeful 03-09-2001 04:05 PM

i heard some nasty hazing traditions...is this one true?
 
I've heard that one sorority blindfolded the girls and had them give head to any guys who wanted it and as many that wanted it. I heard this from a teacher of mine that was i this sorority. Was she BS'ing me? it was the band affiliated sorority.

Lil_G 03-09-2001 04:29 PM

I understand your desire to join a sorority when you attend university. However, you have to realize that this question is inappropriate to say the least. We are not here to perpetuate any negative stereotypes to kids in high school. If you're asking about the validity of this myth, I would instead ask yourself why your teacher feels this is a relevant topic of discussion for class. I'm really shocked that someone in her position, and espiecially someone who's greek would say this. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

I would go to the principal if I were in your shoes.


TaraHopeful 03-09-2001 04:41 PM

She was actually a teacher who left my school when she got married two years ago. She was my band assitant teacher. I think that the act she was talking about is revolting and was wondering if this is how any of the sororties haze? I was apalled just as you are.

amycat412 03-09-2001 04:52 PM

Hazing is not permitted in any NPC organization. I have not, nor have I known anyone who personally experienced Hazing in any NPC organization.

A "Band Sorority" is not an NPC organization so I cannot speak for their rules and rituals. You can rest assured that the kind of behavior your teacher described would not be permitted in any NPC chapter.

dzrose93 03-09-2001 04:56 PM

TaraHopeful,

First of all, I don't know of any band-affiliated sorority. If it was an organization dealing with the band, it would probably consist of a co-ed group of girls and guys, which would make it a fraternity, not a sorority. That fact alone makes it sound like the teacher was lying to you.

Why she would make up such a horrible, ridiculous story I can't imagine. But I can tell you right now that I don't know of a single Greek organization who would EVER make their sisters do anything like what you described. It absolutely infuriates me that someone would be spreading this filthy story around- especially to a high school student! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

Unregistered- 03-09-2001 05:45 PM

First of all, I don't agree with any forms of hazing. In joining my GLO I was never hazed and I am proud of that.

Second, what kind of teacher would even disclose such information? Your teacher is the only one who knows the real truth about her FRATERNITY...and being in her position should've made her be more discreet about her past.

It's unfortunate that hazing happens, and I must admit that there are some bad apples out there that give the entire Greek system a negative rep.

When you do get to college, you'll be able to see for yourself how the Rush process is like. If and when you do receive a bid then you'll find out that pledging is a wonderful experience that you'll never ever forget. Rest assured that none of the NPC sororities/womens fraternities haze!!! Many people will think otherwise. However, we that belong to NPC GLOs know that actions like you mentioned are NOT allowed.

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HeidiHo 03-09-2001 05:59 PM

I just want to know how a group of girls could make someone give oral sex to a man with out it being sexual assult? Unless there was physical force, a person always can say "no" and leave. Personally, I have never heard such and thing & was never exposed to any hazing. I love and respect my sisters & the feeling is mutial.
Best of luck with school & rush
Heidi

HeidiHo 03-09-2001 06:02 PM

ps, there is a band sorority. Tau Beta Sigma
www.kkytbs.org


DeltAlum 03-09-2001 06:10 PM

Yet another attempted setup?

TaraHopeful 03-09-2001 06:16 PM

another setup? what do you mean by that? is it directed towards me?

for the rest of you...thank you so much for your very comforting insight. I am very happy that this kind of negative activity is not normal in most all sororities and all NPC sororities. sincerely ~TaraHopeful

33girl 03-09-2001 07:52 PM

Tara,

There has been a rash of posters on this board who do drive-bys - start a thread like "I got spanked and I loved it!" and then don't come back. We have had some real goobers on here and are a little wary, so don't take it personally.

As for your teacher: she sounds like a whack job. I wouldn't believe a word she says.

pledgetrainer2 03-10-2001 03:59 AM

I think that it is silly to try to say that absolutely NO hazing in ANY NPC sororities. That is like saying that everyone in a particular fraternity or sorority is bad-same mentality. You can't just say that every one of us doesn't haze.

There are problems from time to time, but it is something that you shouldn't put up with. Good pledgetrainers never allow it to occur, but it does from time to time. Even a good pledgetrainer doesn't control all of the members in her sorority. It is up to every member of every sorority to put an end to hazing in any form. We know what the rules are, we just need to enforce them. If you join a sorority don't put up with any kind of hazing. Most sororities have it under control-so expect it to be that way and don't put up with anything less out of any sorority you decide to join.

DeltAlum 03-10-2001 02:06 PM

Tara,

My comment on a "setup" might or might not have been directed toward you. It depends on whether you are being completely upfront with us. If you are, then disregard the comment with my appologies. We've had enough "goobers" (isn't that a great word -- thanks 33) who ask questions such as yours simply to try to get incriminating comments from us.

Two things.

If any of the charges about the organization in question are true, that chapter should be closed. Period. There's no way anyone should put up with that garbage.

Second, I agree with some of the other posts. Sounds to me like your ex teacher has gone over the edge.

By the way, my understanding of Tau Beta Sigma and it's brother fraternity Kappa Kappa Psi is that they are honorary service organizations which help in schools of music and marching band programs, etc. They are not social GLO's per se.

DeltAlum

PS I just looked at www.kkytbs.org and it pretty much confirms what I said above about their mission.


[This message has been edited by DeltAlum (edited March 10, 2001).]

TaraHopeful 03-10-2001 02:17 PM

I seriously was just asking a question. I promise you all that I am in no way a "goober" trying to get a rraction from anyone. I just wanted to know if this act was true b/c if anything like this went on in sororities, i wasn't going to rush, but thanks to everyone's help on here, I most likely will. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by my question i was just curious about if my teacher was describing a true sorority setting. thanks again ~TaraHopeful

SusanL5000 03-12-2001 05:10 PM

Tara....."It is better to keep ones silence and be assumed a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." Did you honestly believe that ANY national organization could have this happen and NOT be reprimanded?!? The very idea............

prdlocal 03-12-2001 05:41 PM

ROFLMAO!!!

Oh pulleeaasse!!!

chloeishere 03-12-2001 05:46 PM

Susan

That was pretty harsh. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif As my German teacher says, "The only stupid questions are the ones that you don't ask" If someone in a position of authority (i.e. a teacher) tells you something like this, you would undoubtedly be confused. Be glad she asked about potential hazing rather than just simply believing it. With all the negative media out there (i.e. tv movies, magazine articles, et cetera), she has a right to have some questions. Cheers to the board in general for taking her seriously and answering her questions. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

TaraHopeful 03-12-2001 10:28 PM

THANK YOU CHLOE!!! I mean really, who would ask a question like mine if I weren't absolutely serious about it. I just didn't want to be humiliated at a rush if this is what went on, but you two people have succeeded on making me feel almost as bad...good job pals!

And Yes Susan, I did honestly believe that this could possibly happen b/c i kind of believe things that my teachers tell me! Sorry if you can't relate.

DeltAlum 03-13-2001 01:05 AM

Tara,

I think you've been dragged through the mud enough.

It's just that the story is so incredible that members of modern Greek Letter Organizations find it hard to comprehend that anyone would believe it. After some of the people who have posted some really bizarre things, we are very wary of being "set up."

Please be assured that nobody who pledges a ligitimate national sorority will be subjected to behavior like that. Hazing is illegal and ALL Greek organizations I'm aware of have banned it.

Good luck with the rest of your schooling.

DeltAlum

[This message has been edited by DeltAlum (edited March 13, 2001).]

mgdzkm433 03-13-2001 10:58 AM

I'd like to echo deltalum--he put it very well.

I'd also like to say, it sure says a lot about that teacher. Not only to TELL you a rediculous story like this, but to practically admit that she took part in it. And we wonder why public schools are so messed up? Teachers like that should be fired.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited March 14, 2001).]

TaraHopeful 03-13-2001 04:22 PM

Exactly! I left that school and am currently attending a private Christian school. I actually think that tha teacher left the school the year after I left. Just F.Y.I.

HeidiHo 03-13-2001 04:29 PM

What does her teacher being loony have to do with a public school?

mgdzkm433 03-13-2001 05:12 PM

Well, I personally think it's inappropriate for an adult teacher to be telling a student about giving head to men. Teachers shouldn't be telling stories like that to students. I think it's a bad influence and a black mark on the public school system when teachers like this are allowed to teach. I personally have nothing AGAINST the public school system, my fiance is a high school teacher and I had a great experience in public schools, but I think teachers like this are slowly turning public schooling into a mochary. I can see the motto now: "Send your kids to public school, not only will they learn reading, writing, and arithmatic, but they'll learn to give head too!" I think the screening process for teachers should be more strict. In the state I live in, they're debating on whether or not to make teachers give fingerprints before being hired. I think it's a good idea. IMHO.

HeidiHo 03-14-2001 05:02 PM

I agree with a better screening process for teachers, I just didn't know why it was assumed to be a public school to begin with. TaraHopeful never said anything about the type of school until she responded to the comment on public schools being messed up. There are people like her band teacher everwhere. Public, private, rich, poor, city, rural...You can't assume anything anymore.
We've gotten way off topic now.
Heidi

Billy Optimist 03-18-2001 05:55 PM

Tara, she was BSing you. I like your name by the way. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

TaraHopeful 03-18-2001 06:01 PM

Ya, i have had that confirmed by about 50 people on here... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Thanks for the compliment Billy! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Icejester 03-20-2001 01:33 AM

You may not sympathize with me, but I'm glad that you seem to encounter exactly the same problems in the US as we do in Germany, viz a pretty bad reputation...

Lil_G 03-20-2001 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Icejester:
You may not sympathize with me, but I'm glad that you seem to encounter exactly the same problems in the US as we do in Germany, viz a pretty bad reputation...
Okay, I hope you're not referring to this problem as the one Tara brought up because it is not a common occurence.

Billy Optimist 03-20-2001 02:01 AM

Tara, anytime.

Nah, i think he meant that the bad rep thing was common.

Icejester 03-20-2001 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Billy Optimist:

Nah, i think he meant that the bad rep thing was common.

Exactly. Unfortunately we are said to be a nationalist, sexist, alcohol abusing and elitist bunch of people who'd fail in everyday life if they didn't have their fraternity. That's what they say in Germany, mind you. Although, the things you seem to refer to as 'hazing' have never been practiced over here. And I don't believe most of the stories I hear from the US because it's probably hard enough to get new members anyway. So why would you give them additional reasons to stay away?

A.K. Z! x

Billy Optimist 03-20-2001 11:57 AM

Icejester, that is the same thing people say about the ones in America. But people have always disliked groups they weren't members of. Think of Knights Templar, Masons, etc. have always come under fire.

[This message has been edited by Billy Optimist (edited March 20, 2001).]

MsDGP007 03-27-2001 12:10 PM

First of all, hazing is pointless, non-constructive, illegal and not condoned (officially) by any organization.

Second, the majority of GLOs out there do not force new members to do such immoral and degrading things. It's a very small minority in fact.

However, it would be innaccurate to say that no hazing occurs anywhere. I grad student I worked with actually did an expose in our school newspaper on some of the fraternities at my school and the insane things that they asked their pledges to do (some even nastier than what was originally reported). Keep in mind though that most of his information came from de-pledges or people who were just disgrunted (in some cases, they had every right to be!) Also different organizations blur the line between hazing and non-hazing and so do the respective members. Personally, the information has made me more aware, but I hold no ill feelings towards any entire organization because of the stupidity of a couple co-eds.

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone hazing in any way and who ever does so should have no excuse. But people also tend to forget that there are quite a few 'non-Greek' organizations (the military, social subcultures {like skinheads}, certain religious groups, and even marching bands) that have initiation procedures that can border (or are) hazing. It's frustrating that fraternities & sororities are so readily associated with this.

My suggestion is to thoroughly investigate the group that you're interested in. How is your chemistry with the current members? Do they show geniune concern and friendship with you, or is it just a show? Have you established a bond of trust with the members? Obviously, it's impossible to know the specifics of any organization's rituals, initiation, etc. before you pledge; but if you're feeling pressured or humiliated....it's not the end of the world if you leave!

Remember, a fraternity/sorority experience should be one of love, pride, and betterment. Like Nick Hexum (311) says..."Believe it to you see it, then see it twice".


[This message has been edited by MsDGP007 (edited March 27, 2001).]

Billy Optimist 03-27-2001 03:33 PM

Why did you single out skinheads? I've known some skinheads, they were nice. Unless you were a nazi. The skinheads i knew were SHARPs. ShinHeads Against Racial Prejudice. They were just a group of people with bald heads that liked reggae http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

AngelPhiSig 06-05-2001 10:10 PM

OKAY... I have a FEW problems here....
1) NO WHERE DID SHE SAY IT WAS A BAND SORORITY... just that the teacher was a band teacher

2) I am in a BAND SORORITY... it is an honorary sorority Tau Beta Sigma We are a sorority and we are co-ed... we have a BROTHER organization which is a FRATERNITY called Kappa Kappa Psi.

Thank you for you time, and do some research next time!

Quote:

Originally posted by dzrose93:
TaraHopeful,

First of all, I don't know of any band-affiliated sorority. If it was an organization dealing with the band, it would probably consist of a co-ed group of girls and guys, which would make it a fraternity, not a sorority. That fact alone makes it sound like the teacher was lying to you.

Why she would make up such a horrible, ridiculous story I can't imagine. But I can tell you right now that I don't know of a single Greek organization who would EVER make their sisters do anything like what you described. It absolutely infuriates me that someone would be spreading this filthy story around- especially to a high school student! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif


KillarneyRose 06-05-2001 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AngelPhiSig:
OKAY... I have a FEW problems here....
1) NO WHERE DID SHE SAY IT WAS A BAND SORORITY... just that the teacher was a band teacher

Thank you for you time, and do some research next time!

You are mistaken, AngelPhiSig. A direct quote from TaraHopeful's original post reads thus, "...it was the band affiliated sorority."

Please read more carefully in the future before you criticize respected members of this forum, especially when they are trying to be helpful.



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HeidiHo 06-05-2001 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TaraHopeful:
it was the band affiliated sorority.
LOL. Who should research?
Why did you bring this up? Just to start a fight? <sigh>

Heidi


TaraHopeful 06-06-2001 01:11 AM

ok now everyone...tone down. I was just asking a question about hazing...didn't mean to start any fights. Can't we all just get along? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Come on now, it's not that big of an issue to fret over.

P.S. I want everyone to know that i am now a senior! Woo Hoo (i'm a little too happy)

dzrose93 06-06-2001 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AngelPhiSig:
OKAY... I have a FEW problems here....
1) NO WHERE DID SHE SAY IT WAS A BAND SORORITY... just that the teacher was a band teacher

2) I am in a BAND SORORITY... it is an honorary sorority Tau Beta Sigma We are a sorority and we are co-ed... we have a BROTHER organization which is a FRATERNITY called Kappa Kappa Psi.

Thank you for you time, and do some research next time!


Um, before you get condescending, you might want to read TaraHopeful's original message. She specifically said, and I quote, "I've heard that one sorority blindfolded the girls and had them give head to any guys who wanted it and as many that wanted it. I heard this from a teacher of mine that was i this sorority. Was she BS'ing me? it was the band affiliated sorority."

"IT WAS THE BAND AFFILIATED SORORITY." Exact words from the person starting the thread. Also, I said in my earlier post that band organizations ARE co-ed. So, basically, all you did was reinforce what I'd already mentioned.

Next time you dislike one of my posts, please don't correct me unless you are sure I actually need correcting. Take your own advice and do a little research (like actually reading the post you're criticizing!) Thanks and have a super day! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks to the GC'ers who stood up for me! I love y'all! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


[This message has been edited by dzrose93 (edited June 06, 2001).]

HeidiHo 06-06-2001 05:31 PM

Tara- Don't worry about starting a fuss. None of the recent posts are directed at you. Some people just need to relax and read the threads before responding.
http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
Heidi

PM_Mama00 06-20-2001 08:39 PM

Hey kids...lets face it...some greek orgs do haze. Just because they are co-ed doesnt mean that they are not goin to do bad things. And it's because of these people that hazing rules have gone too far. Fun things like interviews and things that would make the girls closer are not allowed. I'm not talking about things that can put the pledges in danger or make them uncomfortable (oops i just hazed...called a pledging member a pledge). It's rules like that that are making joining a sorority a cake walk. Like I said before, nothing dangerous or uncomfortable, but the new girls SHOULD know who the sisters are. We only had about 20 some members when we took in 18 awesome new girls. But some of the actives and pledges still never got to know each other, because of hazing rules.


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