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Dionysus 11-04-2002 06:09 PM

Which would come first?
 
A woman or a non-white president?

KappaKittyCat 11-04-2002 06:20 PM

I think a woman. Maybe that's wishful thinking... How would the nation's grumpy old men feel about a woman wearing the pants? And I'm speaking from a state that has not yet had a female governor.

The best way to get started on that is to actually elect a ticket that has a woman as VP. And who knows: if Liddy Dole wins her Senate bid in Kansas, she'll be a major contendor. Hillary Clinton already is one. So's Christine Todd Whitman, governor of New Jersey. We'll keep our eyes out.

Imthechamp 11-04-2002 06:26 PM

I'd vote for a man of any color before I ever voted a woman for President.

KappaKittyCat 11-04-2002 06:37 PM

May I ask why you'd never vote for a woman?

And I hate to break it to you, babe, but there are more women than men in this country, and more women vote than men. And I'm sure that even more women would get out to the polls if one of our gender were a candidate. Also, there are still plenty of people in this country who would never vote for a nonwhite candidate-- far more of them, I'd imagine, than those who wouldn't vote for a woman.

violets 11-04-2002 06:38 PM

Quote:

A woman or a non-white president?
Does the question above assume that the "woman" in question is white? And are we to assume that the "non-white" is supposed to be a gentleman of color?

Well, I'm going to answer a question with a question then, why not a Woman of color as President before both other categories?

CarolinaCutie 11-04-2002 06:42 PM

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The best way to get started on that is to actually elect a ticket that has a woman as VP. And who knows: if Liddy Dole wins her Senate bid in Kansas, she'll be a major contendor. Hillary Clinton already is one. So's Christine Todd Whitman, governor of New Jersey. We'll keep our eyes out.
Elizabeth Dole is running in her home state North Carolina ;)

KappaKittyCat 11-04-2002 06:43 PM

I guess I was thinking either a lady of any race or a gentleman who is not white.

But now that you mention it, nonwhite women really do have the double whammy-- they're "coloured" and they're female.

Personally, I would love to see a nonwhite woman as president. Unfortunately, I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.

KappaKittyCat 11-04-2002 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by CarolinaCutie
Elizabeth Dole is running in her home state North Carolina!
Whoops, my bad! Thanks, CarolinaCutie. I figured, Bob Dole, Liddy Dole, Kansas, but I stand corrected. I apologise to all North Carolinians whom I may have offended. Best of luck to Mrs. Dole. I hope she wins.

josh8o 11-04-2002 06:52 PM

i think a non-white president has more likelyhood of happening than a woman president. i personaly do not care, and would vote for either. but i just think there are some non-white men out there that are on their way to the white house.

Imthechamp 11-04-2002 06:53 PM

Why do you want Dole to win? Only cause she is a woman?

Do you know anything about Erskine Bowles, the other canidate?

Bamboozled 11-04-2002 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by KappaKittyCat
But now that you mention it, nonwhite women really do have the double whammy-- they're "coloured" and they're female.

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Rudey 11-04-2002 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bamboozled


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LOL

-Rudey
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KappaKittyCat 11-04-2002 07:02 PM

No, darling, this isn't Britain, 1962. That's why I put it in scare quotes.

Yes, I know a lot about Erskine Bowles. I followed his career as an advisor during the Clinton administration, and I don't like his politics or his leadership style. I'm not a fan.

I would never vote for anyone because of his race or gender. That's just plain dumb. I have many friends who share the same demographics as I with whom I disagree wholeheartedly. I agree with Elizabeth Dole's politics, and I admire her leadership style. That is why I would vote for her.

Bamboozled 11-04-2002 07:07 PM

Boy, do we have a loooong way to go.....
 
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Originally posted by KappaKittyCat
No, darling, this isn't Britain, 1962. That's why I put it in scare quotes.
Darling? I think not, but anyway .... Let me make it plain for you. Scare quotes (WTF???) or not, the term "coloured" is offensive and antiquated. Using quotes makes it no less offensive.

amycat412 11-04-2002 07:14 PM

I personally believe we'll have an African American male president before a female.

Kevin 11-04-2002 07:18 PM

Colin Powell (R) vs Hillary Clinton (D) in 2004. That's my prediction..

LeslieAGD 11-04-2002 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by amycat412
I personally believe we'll have an African American male president before a female.
Ditto

FuzzieAlum 11-04-2002 07:41 PM

Given that we haven't ever even had a Jewish VP - it wasn't all that long ago when it was a big deal that we elected a Catholic president - I think the day we get a president that isn't white, male and Christian is a lot longer off than we'd like to think.

Hootie 11-04-2002 07:52 PM

I vote for my party ticket (for government things) and so generally it's whomever they throw out as a candidate. The only time I'd consider going to a different candidate would be based on their values, morals, and issues and whether or not I felt they were similar to my party's (or my personal beliefs). So race and sex don't necessarily play a part in my decision.

HOWEVER, I will say when it comes to the little things that people run for office here in my hometown, such as school board and director for the power plant (little things)...if I don't know who the candidates are, I generally will vote for a woman. I don't know what that is, but I suppose it goes back to what my mother once told me about how she votes.

Dionysus 11-04-2002 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bamboozled

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CTFU! :D:D:D

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librasoul22 11-04-2002 09:52 PM

If ANYONE of color ever made it into office, they would be assassinated. Therefore, I will say a woman.

sororitygirl2 11-04-2002 10:19 PM

This is a tough one... I think probably a woman will come first though.

Imthechamp 11-04-2002 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by librasoul22
If ANYONE of color ever made it into office, they would be assassinated. Therefore, I will say a woman.
Why wouldn't a woman be assassinated? Isn't that just as bad as being a "colored" person to these racist fools??

33girl 11-04-2002 10:42 PM

I agree with librasoul - as much as it sucks, if an African-American or other person of color even RAN they would probably get assassinated by some of the racist jagoffs out there. In that frame of mind, better a "little lady" that they can make themselves believe is being controlled by their husband than someone of another race.

I think this is why Colin Powell's wife asked him not to run.

librasoul22 11-04-2002 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by Imthechamp


Why wouldn't a woman be assassinated? Isn't that just as bad as being a "colored" person to these racist fools??

To the "racist" folks, no. I am pretty sure that there will be people that are gonna be disgruntled, but I just don't think anyone would actually kill a white woman.

amycat412 11-05-2002 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by librasoul22


To the "racist" folks, no. I am pretty sure that there will be people that are gonna be disgruntled, but I just don't think anyone would actually kill a white woman.

they might not kill her, but i can see them going to great lengths to discredit her, A la the movie The Contender, for things she did in college, or whenever, that the moral majority deems morally reprehensible, you know?

same would probably hold true for an African American...

I live in California, so its easy for me to think the whole country is as liberal as CA, and, in fact, most of the West Coast is...but... sigh... what in God's name does color or gender have to do with one's ability to run this country? NOTHING. But not everyone is as sensible as the fine people on GC...


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