worried and confused
 

Im going to join college soon and I am looking into becoming a member of a sorority. I have been readin this site alot and its helped through many of my questions that I have had. I still however am wondering... I saw this eposoid of touched by an angel and everyone i know has been telling me warning me not to get involved with them. However i have this intrest in them. Most of you all are very experianced and I was wondering for sororities is it true that you have to sleep with a whole fraternity house... Is it true that you have to give sexual favors to a member of a fraternity house ... is it true that you have to become a slave for a week to all the sisters of the sorority house... also is it true that you have to get drunk and almost die to get in a sorority? I hope no one gets offended by this Im just really lost and thought you guys could help me out. So someone please please respond to this.


chrissy

Chrissy,

Absolutely, positively NOT (to all of the above questions)!

Anything even approaching any of those behaviors is considered hazing (not to mention downright sick) and banned by sororities. For more information about the real story on sororities (and not the made-for-tv garbage) please check out their national sites.

The answers to your questions are absolutely not, absolutely not, absolutely not, and absolutely not.

There was a thread on here that discussed the "Touched By an Angel" episode. They couldn't even get the rush process right (which is how someone becomes a member...the guy was told to "go and pledge" as if he just had to sign up, which is totally untrue), and it got more ridiculous from there.

The representations of Greek life that you have seen in the media (especially the past few years) are no more realistic than other media interpretations...how much does your high school resemble the ones on Popular or Dawson's Creek? Unfortunately, there is a very real anti-Greek bias in the media and they have become one of the few groups that can be maligned and misinterpreted with very little outcry.

Thanks for coming here and trying to find out more about what Greek life is REALLY like instead of just accepting the media's version of it.

Chrissy,
It's good to see more & more people doing their research before just going blindly though rush. Although I'm not yet in a sorority I will be going through informal rush this upcoming semester. I am so sorry to hear that people have been telling you these things & that you had to see them on tv. At first I got all of those responses too, but once I started getting to know Greeks at school, I knew that the others were wrong. I'm not sure what your campus will be like, but at mine a large number of the girls are still virgins & have been in the sorority going on 3 years, & also alot of them don't drink. Also about that whole fraternity favors thing, I've been friends with Greek guys since I was a sophomore in High School (we all know how guys can talk http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif) & I have honestly never heard of anything like that. My advice, would be to go ahead & research the Greek orgs at your college or at a few if you're not sure where you're going. Check out their web pages & even try e-mailing a few of the girls. Greek orgs vary SO much from campus to campus that the only way to really know, is to research (but none should include any of the above!)
Hope that helps some

Allison

With all due respect, this question is either a total set-up, or this person will believe anything. This stuff is not only hazing, it's illegal.

Let's get a grip.

Delt Alum, you are absolutely and exactly on the money. I expect we will get several posts from posers because I've seen an "Annoy GreekChat" hyperlink to this website--you guys can guess whose AntiGreek website it's on.

How many guesses do we get? You know - one for each name... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

I'll just ditto the remarks of DeltAlum!



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"Alpha Chi Omega - If you only had 2 wishes, what would your second one be?"

I realize now that the question was very stupid. However, if you think I am someone trying to get you in trouble you are unmistakably wrong. I am not asking you to put your trust in me because I know that you can not do that. But I can promise you I am not trieng to get anyone into n e sort of trouble. Im no computer wiz I barley could figure out how to quote this. Im a High school student for gods sake I dont know everything there is to know about this stuff. Havnt you ever done n e thing illegal before or been in a situation where someone you know has done something illegal. People do it all the time. They steal they speed they do all sorts of things. Just because its illegal doesnt mean people dont do it. Plus if you think that this kind of Abuse isnt going on then you are absoulutly wrong and 100 times more dense than I am. Open your eyes things like this are happening all the time. I for one dont think that is undoubtlly wrong. I think fraternities and sororities are kind of like gangs. Like goodie goodie gangs. To get in a gang you have to get beat in right. Well... Not saying its right or wrong but I belive in the whole hell week thing i think it shows your dedication to the sorority or fraternity you want to join. Call me what you want but please dont judge me when you dont even know me. I know if you knew me chances are youd be one of my friends. I dont see how i couldnt have takin that offensfully you were calling me a liar. I dont know how n e one could not that that offensfully. However, I still want to remain "Cool" with you because i understand that you were just giving your opinion and i respect that you would be nice enough and blunt enough to express that to me. I just want everyone to know that Im not a liar I am who I say I am and nothing else and i am not stupid. Im not always right Im not always wrong but then again who is?

Are you serious? An "Annoy Greek Chat" hyperlink? Now I'm annoyed that the annoyance is intentional. Some people have way too much time on their hands.

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"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching." (Satchel Paige)

And to this... If I wanted to annoy you... Id find a better way of doing it. Accusing me of trieng to annoy you is just wrong because it was a normal question I found nothing offending or obserd about it. The media really plays out how bad Hazing is and people cant help but question if it is really that bad. Everyone knows it is illegal but dont you see people get a high off of doing this because they have low self esteem its not like it was more likley than not that this kind of torture didnt happen. Anyone with a half of brain in their head would know this. I want to thank all the people who didnt give rude answers you should be role models to Carnation because what Carnation said was not only childish but COMPLEATLY out of line. I really think you should THINK before you write. However, in spite of all of this i do not want to be your enemy and I hope that you dont take what i have just said as offensfully but as the truth.

Chrissy

Nope, Carnation stands by her answer because as a college professor she is stunned not only by the naivete about Greeks but the spelling and grammar used by the poster, who says she intends to go to college. Please don't write like that on any essays.

Chrissy also posted on a couple other forums about clothes and fraternities. No she's not using the Queen's English, but she is hardly the only poster guilty of that on here.

Sadly enough...if all I had to go on was the media, and I was a first generation college student and didn't know anyone in college...I don't know that I wouldn't think some of the stories like Chrissy related are true. Yes, I think that the anti-Greek media bias has gotten that out of hand. Plus I'd hate to hear what high school guidance counselors are saying these days.

If Carol and Co. (sounds like the sequel to Charles in Charge) do have a link on their site, it is possible that people looking for real Greek info will stumble across their site first and then come here.

I hope the Charge of the Whacko Brigade hasn't made us all so suspicious and cynical that we can't take a post on its own merit. If it has, score one for them, not us.

Chrissy,

I'll answer your question to the best of my ability. No. None of those things are required of you. Most are just legends, created by people who were scared of or didn't like sororities, meant to scare girls away from joining.

Sororities will have social and even some philanthropy projects in conjuncion with a fraternity, however, the pledge process has nothing to do with them. You won't be required to do anything with fraternity members in order to be initiated.

Basically, the pledge process is to prepare you--with history--for the sorority. Most sororities, if not all, require you to know about it's history. You also will be given projects. For instance, while I pledged, we had to coordinate a philanthropy project for the sorority, host and coordinate a fundraiser, host and coordinate a sisterhood project, and learn the history of or sorority. All things vital to continuing a sorority. Yes, it can be work at times, but it's for the good of the sorority--and it helps create and build character. Knowing how to do these things creates leadership skills and study skills--which is also vital to a sorority--and life in general.

Sororities, despite rumors, are around for the greater good. They were designed for an elite group of girls, and used to further their aims and ideals. Being a part of a sorority is supposed to be about helping the community. Many people fail to see that aspect of sorority life. They only see the social side, and although we are social sororities-and fraternities, this is not our only aim in life. Many, if not all, sororities take their business seriously, and many will agree that the parties come after the work.

Think about a typical college week. Many students get up, go to class, eat their meals, go home, socialize in their dorms, study and go to bed. While this is the aim of college and universities--to produce graduates, sororities and fraternities ADD to these things. A typical week with a sorority member might be drastically different. They get up extra early to help with a campus clean up project they coordinated, they go off to class, they have lunch, they go off to class again, they go home, they get ready for a sorority dinner, they socialize, they go to a sorority meeting, They hold a risk mangangment workshop, they compile into study groups, they go to bed. Everyday it's something new. They are creating a better college experience by getting involved in something.

The most important thing for you to do, while looking into sororities, is to look at all the options. Know what each sorority is about. Check out their national webpages, look at how active they are on campus, think about their philanthropy and if you would enjoy supporting it.

I hope that I've helped you see a more positive light about sororities. Yes, they are hard work, and can even be stressful at times, but they help build self esteem, character, leadership skills, study skills, social skills. They teach you to look out for your friends/loved ones, how to get involved in your communities, they open new doors to new places. They create networking opportunities and lifelong sisterhood friendships.

I'd like to add, yes, you are right. Hazing DOES occur. However, it is the exception--not the rule. I was never hazed in EITHER of my soririties. Hazing is a terrible thing, illegal of course, and detrimental to our organizations and the individuals involved. Sororities ar trying to get rid of hazing--be sure of that. Each National Sorority (I'm not sure about Locals) has something called Risk Management. This is to provide the sorority with facts about hazing and other issues involving sororities and women. I would also like to point out that fraternities and sororities are not the only type of organizations that have been known to haze. The military is a big breeding ground for hazing, along with high school, college, and professional sports. Know this, sororities as a whole are trying to do away with hazing--again, it's the exception, not the rule.

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I agree that we should be considerate of others who post here and give them the benefit of the doubt.

However, check some of the later postings on the "Anti-Hazing has gone too far" thread on this forum where "Chrissy 3912" claims to have been initiated already. Something just doesn't add up here. In most sororities I'm aware of it's difficult to be a high school student on November 25, and an initiated member on November 27.

It still smacks of a set up to me. Either that or "Chrissy" and "Cybil" (wasn't she the one with multiple personalities?) have something in common.

DeltAlum

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Carnation,

If you are a college Professor Than I have some questions for you.

1. This is NOT an English paper this is a message board why would I have to have perfect grammer and spelling to write in it do you really think that I have time to fix every little mistake that I make?

2. Since you are a college professor are you not suppose to be a role model to people who want to be in college encouraging them? Not putting them down.

I know I am not perfect I never claimed to be and its obious Im not. I dont think you have the right to pick me apart though, or accuse me of something that I did not do.

Chrissy

"Chrissy", I am certainly a professor and I normally don't pick apart students. But like I said--I think you're a poser because of the discrepancies in your story that a couple of the older guys have pointed out and the fact that you aren't using the language that a college-bound student would. It's a real miracle that you were able to be initiated 2 days after you asked us about rush!

Ooh. She's Busted.

You are the second person who said that. How do you guys figure that i am initiated. Im not even in college yet. I dont understand. I just sighned up for this so i could reply and write posts. Im not a poser i know nothing about computers... NOTHING. Look Im really sorry if I made you angry Im just curious. I know nothing about sororities either thats why Im on here.

Chrissy

Here, http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/.../000001-3.html you said:
That sounds like you are an active sister in some sorority. Please explain. Thanks

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

I never said that I said that I am not in college I am in 10th grade I go to Whitmer High school and as I said earlier in our school if you have a 3.0-3.5 you can go to college when you are a junior or senior. What i said about that blindfolding and kidnapping would be fun was.. i thought they should do it because it would be fun i never said that i went through it. NEVER.

Chrissy

r I was quoting him he said that exact same thing...

Equation:

Extreme naivete in first post

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The phrase "I never said that I"

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Persistence on a topic that's dead
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B.V.

You know you guys are all bull headed and are compleate low lifes i dont have time to argue with you belive what you want i dont care n e more. I dont see how this chat can help n e one with problems it just creates more.

Your first sentence makes it sounds like you ARE in college. And out of curosity, what HS in this country allows a junior in HS to attend college. I find that very hard to believe. I graduated from one of the most prestigous nationally recognized PUBLIC high schools in the country, and as far as college credit went, the only option was AP classes. Also the many fallacies in your arguments, are just that, not valid arguments. We are not dense in calling something illegal.
You state that you never said that the active's kidnapping you was fun, however that quote was taken from your post.
Now, if this is all a big misunderstanding (probably stemming from your misuse of grammer) then I apologize for the attack you feel you are under, and I appreciate the time you have taken to find out what really goes on in GLO's insteading of believing what rumors are floating around and on repuations based on mindless movies. However, the claims you make seem more outrageous then even the movies claim. Did you truly believe that you would have to sleep with 20-200 men in order to join a sorority. And if you did....why would you continue to be interested in an organization that uphelp such a disgusting tradition. And why would you want to attempt death by drinking just to be in an organization. My organization PROUDLY stands by their non-hazing policy and that INCLUDES anything that could/would/should make a new member uncomfortable in any sense of the word. If you feel that you would not be uncomfortable forced to face death by alcohol, or made to sleep with 20-200 men before being made a sister (so in a semester) then I wouldn't want you in my organization, because then you obviously don't hold enough self-respect for yourself to uphold my organizations' values.
Please keep in mind that the last paragraph in my post the term "you" is not an attack on you, chrissy. Also, please excuse any of my grammatical errors or spelling mistakes....just finished a 16 page paper for a final..starting to get tunnel vision.

Your first sentence makes it sounds like you ARE in college. And out of curosity, what HS in this country allows a junior in HS to attend college. I find that very hard to believe. I graduated from one of the most prestigous nationally recognized PUBLIC high schools in the country, and as far as college credit went, the only option was AP classes. Also the many fallacies in your arguments, are just that, not valid arguments. We are not dense in calling something illegal.
You state that you never said that the active's kidnapping you was fun, however that quote was taken from your post.
Now, if this is all a big misunderstanding (probably stemming from your misuse of grammer) then I apologize for the attack you feel you are under, and I appreciate the time you have taken to find out what really goes on in GLO's insteading of believing what rumors are floating around and on repuations based on mindless movies. However, the claims you make seem more outrageous then even the movies claim. Did you truly believe that you would have to sleep with 20-200 men in order to join a sorority. And if you did....why would you continue to be interested in an organization that uphelp such a disgusting tradition. And why would you want to attempt death by drinking just to be in an organization. My organization PROUDLY stands by their non-hazing policy and that INCLUDES anything that could/would/should make a new member uncomfortable in any sense of the word. If you feel that you would not be uncomfortable forced to face death by alcohol, or made to sleep with 20-200 men before being made a sister (so in a semester) then I wouldn't want you in my organization, because then you obviously don't hold enough self-respect for yourself to uphold my organizations' values.
Please keep in mind that the last paragraph in my post the term "you" is not an attack on you, chrissy. Also, please excuse any of my grammatical errors or spelling mistakes....just finished a 16 page paper for a final..starting to get tunnel vision.

I have a lot of relatives in Mississippi, and one first cousin was accepted early at Miss. State, I believe-VERY EARLY. In fact, there was a special program, where she was able to live at the campus, from what I was told. Now, I understand that a second cousin has tested so high that she is in an early college program. So, from experience in my family, at least in this state, they do have early admissions, or a joint program through high schools to finish high school and take college credit when they are very young, but testing off of the charts.

I was able to take College Courses while I was in HS. We did not have AP courses available in our school.

A lot of kids in Colorado go to college early, but I don't really understand why they want to -- unless they're really disgusted with high school. Why miss out on the fun and social life of your Senior year? (Well, at least I had a pretty good time)

Our son is a High School Junior and could very easily go to college next year (he's on a potential National Merit track), but wants to stay with his friends, etc. He's a class officer and in all kinds of activities. I agree with him. He is taking almost all AP and Honors courses, so he may enter college as a sophomore, but we'll figure that out when the time comes.

Why hurry?

A girl who I grew up with went to college when we were all in 9th grade. She finished up her high school credits in her first sememster (she tested out of a lot of stuff--why she was able to do so) and then went on to take college courses. She was finished with college when we finished high school.

It's rare, but it happens.

Going to college while in your Jr & Sr year in high school is called Post-Secondary Option. You get college & HS credit, while only taking college classes. I think the state pays for it, as long as you pass. That's here in Ohio
Heidi

I went to a parochial high school and in 12th grade I had the opportunity to take chemistry and biology classes at the college near my school. In addition to my HS tuition they had to pay for my college credits, but it's money well spent because I didn't have to take any science courses in college!

How did we get into this topic anyway?

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I too took colege courses while in high school. My senior year all I needed for graduation was senior English. I was offered Early Admission/Early Attendance at a university 2 hours from home. This was on the condition that my high school would accept my college freshman English class as credit for my Senior English course, and allow me to graduate high school in June with my class. My school did want to set a "precedent" and said no. However, I did get permission to take Senior English first period, then leave campus to take classes at the local community college. However, high school students who are taking college courses while still attending high school are not usually not considered to be full time students at their college. Many times they are not taking a full course load at the college. They are usually not allowed to join Greek organizations, run for student government offices (at the college), play on the college athletic teams, ..... You get the idea.


So again we are at the question...
As posted by DeltAlum:

"However, check some of the later postings on the "Anti-Hazing has gone too far" thread on this forum where "Chrissy 3912" claims to have been initiated already. Something just doesn't add up here. In most sororities I'm aware of it's difficult to be a high school student on November 25, and an initiated member on November 27."

THAT is how we got on the question about being in high school and being in college at the same time.