Imposters
 

Do any of you out there have problems with other people trying to discover ritual secrets of your GLO's? I've seen websites on the internet that are dedicated to just that. People write in and post different "fraternity rituals" on there, and different secrets for different GLO's. I've seen supposed Sig Ep secrets on there, and they're completely false. I don't know about other GLO's. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw that out, see what everybody thought.

In Phi
Sigep653

"Sigma Phi Epsilon-Virtue, Diligence, and Brotherly Love, the only things that matter"

Re: Imposters
 

they might be true. every chapter does things a little different.

Imposters
 

It's not stuff that each chapter does differently, though. At least for Sig Ep, I'm talking about stuff like our grip, and different things that are the same for every Sig Ep chapter. That's how I know that they're false.

It's probably mostly people that were cut or didn't even get a bid during rush. Mostly losers with too much time on their hands. I remember we had a candidate (and his mother) that swore that they'd take us down... Haven't heard from them in a year:D

Actually, for the most part it's not even ex-Greeks or ex-pledges. It's just anti-greek people who are guessing at the meanings of mottoes, and passing along little bits and pieces of info that we've all heard "here and there" before. It's just people trying to stir up trouble and piss us off.

Having monitored and participated in those boards for quite a while now, I can tell you with certainty that the vast majority of what gets posted there is pure crap.

wptw

Re: Imposters
 

:rolleyes:
Yea I have seen random websites like that too. There was one that I remember about the supposed Chi Omega ritual. I'm not a Chi O, so I don't know for a fact if that stuff is true/false, but I believe it is probably false. I think there was also another one with Sigma Chi's supposed ritual also. They must have lots of free time to dedicate themselves to invest in so much time creating elaborate websites with information that is probably false.

I think that generally that is just not cool whether they are false or not. Ritual is something all members of GLO's keep near and dear to us. It's a bummer not all people respect each other, whether they are Greek or not, and I think that is probably where behavior like this [creating those types of websites] stems from.

And perhaps bait someone who responds without thinking to reveal a secret in response. "CYW doesn't mean _____, you idiot, it means __________!"

Exactly. Or better yet, they post as "SigEp" and reveal some bogus secret about SAE, hoping that people will post SigEp secrets as a backlash. And a lot of [college educated] people fall for this.

UDZETA, it's a general message board set up for people to come and post GLO secrets. Sometimes you see a link to a dedicated website where you can supposedly find secrets on specific groups. Incidentally, a lot of these dedicated sites are maintained by actual members of the GLO deliberatley posting misinformation to throw would-be secret seekers off the trail. Clever idea, although the fake ritual info is pretty lame. I always feared this fake info would actually dissuade potential pledges because it's so shallow and ridiculous.

I try to police the general message boards and call "bullshit" when I see it (which is basically all the time), since I am in a position to do so.

I very much agree that these things are special, but this is the real world and there are a lot of people out there with no respect for the things others hold dear. A lot of people hate greeks, often for good reason.

wptw

Someone who knows
 

Someone who knows told me that the Kappa in the middle of many GLO names usually means "and"

It makes sense that Phi Kappa Psi means _____ and ______,
and Kappa Kappa Gamma means _______ and ________.

TKE, for example, might mean Tea and Krumpets.

Or Kappa might mean "not", as in ________ not _________,
so Pi Kappa Phi could mean Brotherhood, not bologna.

PS: keep this secret

lmao..
hoosier is that a "mystic" way of spelling crumpets or is it really spelled with a "k"....and to think all this time I never knew!!!! j/k!!:D

Re: Someone who knows
 

That's true. In fact, if your GLO has the letter Phi, Delta, Kappa or Alpha, odds are you share that word with several other groups.

wptw

Kappa doesn't mean "and," it means "OR!" Get it right!

WPTW,, Hey Mon,, Good to see you still around!

Folks all I can tell you about this gentleman, is he will not BS you!

Take to heart what he has to tell ya!

Yep there are always people with snouts like Blood suckers who are trying to find out things about what they do not belong and spread it like oleo!

I would even not tell My EX-WIFE about my Ritual or My Initiation!

You all have grips! The only grip I know is arm wrestleing at the Bar for a Beer!:D

What is yours is yours, and what is mine is mine!

I could care less about anyone elses! Get It!:cool:

JB- AH, Get It!;)

Does anyone else have a sneakign suspicion that every group has the same grip?

BTW, I have heard people guess the secret meaning of Phi Mu...well, guess what...THERE IS NO SECRET MEANING.

on accident....
 

This message was edited b/c originally it was supposed to be a cute funny story, not start a fight here on GC (sorry)

That's pretty awful. No matter how drunk I was I wouldn't be teaching anyone any of our ritual (I'm referring to the waitresses, not you DGwannabe).

Although that is pretty funny with the two organizations having similar grips. At least you were able to cover it pretty well!

Hmm... I don't think we all have the same grip. I suppose I could see it being a variation of each other's, but ours seems to be pretty specific to our organization.

Re: on accident....
 

a) out of "habit", you "kind of" gave a guy your sorority handshake--even though you supposedly weren't Greek long--the sorority handshake you supposedly vowed not to reveal? Are you in the habit of giving males your handshake?

b) Drunk sorority waitresses? Are they drunk when they're working?:rolleyes: Do they give customers their handshakes?

c) how can you be certain that, since they were so drunk, they gave the correct handshake?

What a crock.:rolleyes:

Next you'll be asking us what quota was at Mercer.:rolleyes:

Re: on accident....
 

If you don't shake hands with many people, since you're a kissy-huggy girl, how was that out of habit ?? :rolleyes:


Good call carnation!

Re: on accident....
 

You've been in two sororities? How did you manage that??

Re: Someone who knows
 

Well I know the Rush Committee is always looking for new slogans. ;)

Re: on accident....
 

I am a little confused... Did you get initiated into both sororities?

I thought you "de-sistered" one, transfered schools and pledged a new group... Prior to initiation, the later GLO got a call from your first GLO... and the rest is history.

How do you know the handshakes for these two organizations?

OOOOPPPS? What is this:p

I am in total a amazement for this post!

Was It a Hip Grip or a so-so grip?

As long as I have been in the GreekDom World, I only care adn want to know mine!

7 years as Police Officer, I thougth I had seen it alkl!

Wrong, I see worse daily!:mad:

The magic number is four. There are four basic grips. If there are more they are just variations on a theme.

And no, not everygroup has the same one.

Here is my theory on grips...The founders did NOT create them. Ever org started with one chapter. Everyone knew who everyone else was. When alumni came back, they just looked up the name in the registry, and no big deal. Only with expansion came the need to prove that you were brother/sister and oula, here comes grips.

Fraternities "back in the day" were founded with one thing in mind, forming a group different than the others with the goal to hold themselves to higher standards and form a tight and everlasting bond. So, in a sense I agree with you that "grips" were not formed the night of your GLO founding (maybe the 1900's GLO's, but not much earlier than that. 1900's orgs. knew what other fraternities had, so they probably had a grip right away.).

Early on, grips were given for the purpose of entering secret meetings when fraternities were considered "Secret Societies". When one needed to get into a meeting, the grip was given. It was also source to tell if someone was a member of your org. by a simple shake. Simply giving the grip in front of faculty signifies "I'm a Beta, so are you, and this Prof. doesn't know therefore we won't be expelled....but ha ha to him for not knowing we just gave our grip right in front of him".

For example, the Chi Chapter of Beta Theta Pi was underground for about 20 years in the late 1800's. Imagine how important it was to keep secret, your relationship with the fraternity?

There are more than 4 basic grips. The hand may only be able to perform a certain amount of "grips", but there is a lot more than four. I've never heard that analysis before.

Not all organization's histories area as similar as that.

When I was in high school I knew some kids who were in gangs. They taught me some handshakes and hand signals to flash if I was ever in a certain area, to be able to show that I knew one of theirs and that I should be left alone. I just find that interesting that such different groups use such similar tactics.

friday night while my sorority hosted a party a brother of abc fraternity gave a brother of xyz the abc handshake :eek: apparantly the abc hadn't been around in a while and thought the xyz was his own brother.. tough situation... the xyz just kinda shrugged and pretended hed idn't know what was going on..

DeltaBaby, Phi Mu does have secret meaning. I've heard a lot of girls say they forgot -- or just plain have no memory at ALL -- of things revealed to them during initiation. All the excitement and anticipation and nervousness can play tricks with your mind.

I know the secret meaning of Phi Mu is held so sacred it's not to be written or spoken freely. I'd imagine other orgs hold their meanings as close to their hearts as we do, so I bet a lot of the "meanings" you hear aren't true.

Phi Mu DOES have an "unofficial" meaning. We explain to the potential new members, when they come through, that the Phi can be seen to represent the continuity and unity of the group intersected by the individuality of the individual (as in, the circle intercected by the upright bar in the greek letter F )and the Mu can be seen to represent the hills and valleys of life, through which we depend on each other to grow and develop into better women (as in, the points in the greek letter M ).

That is NOT at ALL our secret meaning. In fact, I'm not completely sure it's not something my CHAPTER didn't just make up. It's just something little we use to demonstrate to the potential new members that in a GLO there is meaning behind EVERYTHING, and if you are chose to be a part of that meaning you need to be prepared for more than just parties and alcohol.





DGWannabe, I find it hard to believe you didn't know about Panhellenic rules.

HotDamn, I agree. Plus she told us she now wants to be a DG--in a third group! Plus she's been caught up in too many "mistruths", which she has tried to edit quickly but not until several GCers have seen them.

Okay, we won't post about how "stupid" you are. We'll just keep discussing it in pms.

"Drunk sorority waitresses"? OMG.:rolleyes:

Re: Re: Re: on accident....
 

I don't get it...Why on Earth would you post ANY of your handshake on GC?? "Because I was defending myself and making excuses" is not a good answer...If I did that, my sisters would straight up get on here just to flame me.

Again, I still don't understand....If you're such a kissy huggy girl, that means your don't shake ANYONE's hand on any kind of a regular basis...Especially since you haven't seen tons of sisters in the recent past (I'm guessing). So how has that put you in SO much of a habit that you "accidentally" "kind of" gave your grip "you guess" to some guy. :confused:


I guess I just don't get it :rolleyes:


Edited because I, somewhere along the line, forgot how to type.

Ladies, why all the nastiness directed towards DGWannabe? If you're right and she's lying about the two-sorority thing, then she's obviously not spilling any important information about her GLO to anybody, so why worry about it? (Not to mention the fact that I don't think she's mentioned either of the GLOs that she was theoretically initiated into, we wouldn't know which organization these secrets applied to even if she had!) And if she's not lying, then y'all are being awfully mean for no reason!

Yes, her story is unlikely, but not impossible. A lot of us here are -- often in part BECAUSE of Greekchat -- really well-informed about the Panhellenic rules. Most people are not. It's not that surprising to me that she didn't know you couldn't be initiated into two. I didn't know that either, until I did some research. Also, not every sorority girl is as upstanding as most of you all, and not all of them take their ritual as seriously as you do, so I wouldn't be surprised that some of them might accidentally spill some secret information, especially while drunk. It's unfortunate, but I'm sure it happens.

Let's all calm down . . . it's not that big of a deal.


As for the handshakes: there are only so many variations on the handshake that you can do, and they aren't THAT different. It would make sense that many groups have very similar ones.

Sugar and spice--

When I see a thread in which I don't understand why someone's getting flamed, I realize (though I didn't for about a year) that there's some kind of history going on, that there's a background to the situation that I don't understand. Maybe there's bad blood or the flamee has been caught lying or perping or trying to disturb the peace on GC.

If more than one GCer is going after the flamee, I *know* that's what's going on!;)

That may be true, but at the same time, I think it's ridiculous that everyone's getting so upset and just tearing into her -- it just drags us down to her level. Y'all could discredit her without being so nasty.

And on the off chance that this ISN'T an imposter, wouldn't you rather have known that you gave her the benefit of the doubt?

I don't see why everyone's making such a big fuss about it. Even if she is just lying and trying to stir up trouble, it's the way you guys have reacted that makes her more likely to do it again -- she's getting the attention she wants. And she hasn't personally attacked anyone, and if she's a liar then she hasn't even spilled any GLO secrets -- absolutely no harm done. I don't see why this is such a big deal.

Because, as I said--you don't know the history!

What is the history? :confused: PM me, please?

I still don't see what they could have done via an internet message board that could possibly be that bad, but if there's more to the story then who knows?

I am not sure what *history* carnation is referring to. However,
I have pulled my post from here since some viewed it as offensive-although it was not meant o be such. Thank you to those have sent me supportive pm's-I appreciate it.

To those who I have inadvertantly angered, it was not my intention.:(

sugar and spice, you're right, there's not much life-altering stuff that can come up on a message board.

That said, don't get on a message board full of greek letter organization members and announce that you've compromised two sororities by cross-joining and are attempting to join a third, don't consistently lie, and don't volunteer false information and NOT EXPECT TO BE CALLED ON IT.

Carnation, I agree with everything you've said and think you've verbalized it beautifully.

i missed it
 

whats going on? someone please pm me. I've read DGWannabe's msgs, but I didn't really see any reason for all this hostility. Am I missing something?:confused: