Why Haze!!
 

If people KNOW that hazing is wrong, why is it still being done. I think that the simple fact of being hazed oneself causes them to take that out on the next. Future frats and sorors start to expect the things that are done during hazing. I've heard a girl actually say,"Yeah girl, they are going to beat my ass." (Name of the organization will stay unmentioned). When I heard this, it pissed me off that that was what she was looking forward to. Give some insight!!!

Dear Satin,
When it comes to hazing most people don't really speak their minds- Most say what they know the person in charge wants to hear. WHy do people haze when they know it is wrong? WELL!!!! because there are people still willing to be hazed!!!Well, because PLEDGING, not HAZING has a history. Well, because the process NPHC came up to to bring in new members seem a little dry at times- I won't deny that I have seen and heard things uncalled for but... It is up to the individual doing it and the one taking it.
I am not sure how familiar you are with the pledging process, but- ask around and you will find the answers. We need to come up with a common ground and agree of a new way to bring these new members. SOme argue that pleding was abolished because it was not working- well, obviously, MIP is not working either. This whole thing is diving us greek, now we have those who pledged (and worked for their letters according to them) and those who SIGNED. Nothing can be done to stop this.
People pledge knowing that it is "wrong" for the same reason people do drugs, and for the same reason Cops kill. I mean it is open to interpretation. Don't take me wrong hazing and pledging is not the same but, they are like mother and kid- One goes with the other.
I believe that pledging is going to continue. From what I hear pledging is a very unique experience, nothing can be compared to it and it is designed to 'make youa stronger person- TO EACH ITS OWN. I wish I could saymore, but- YOUNEVER KNOW WHO IS WATCHING!!!! HA HAHA!!!
Hope I snwer you question.
OH!!! WE ALL DEFINE HAZING IN DIFF> WAYS!!!!

Ghostface,

Thanx for your insight on the matter. My next question to whomever would reply is.....Do you think that undergrad lines should be abolished all together. But that will make it bad for the organizations that don't HARD haze. There two oragnizations at my university that DO NOT " haze!!! So, that's pretty *@$#ed up for them!!

Satin,

If I remember correctly, there are some national GLO's that have done away with a "new member" period altogether, and they initiated new members almost immediately.

This is interesting, because this is a move back to our "roots" - where fraternities traditionally initiated members almost immediately some years ago. Pledge periods really didn't start until just after World War 2 - and I think pledge periods were implemented due to the immense growth of chapters - it was the only way to manage growth. However, this "tradition" stuck with us until this day.


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[This message has been edited by LXAAlum (edited April 17, 2000).]

Wrong! Hazing began well before WWII. Read the history of kapsi, aphia, qpsiphi, and you will see it began well before then. Anyone in a BGLO to ever be angry at slavery would make you a hypocrite. Beating down your own folk!! You should be ashamed.

Goodness is he on every post?

I have interest in a particular sorority, the one and only sorority anyone should want to join, but I dont think theyre hazers. From what Ive seen on campus only the, more manly sororities act like that. If I mistake you for a dude I expect you to be a hazer.

This is totally off the question but is your log on name satin like Lucfer if so than may God bless you sweetie.

pinkice9

I believe her name is Satin, like the cloth.

ZetaAce

satin = silky fabric. . .lots of prom dress are made from this, formals, wedding gowns, etc etc

satan=lucifer, ruler of hell, fallen angel

two totally different words.

why haze, like GFK says because there are people who are willing to be hazed. Some believe being abused during their process makes them more real. For all those who believe beating, mental abuse, etc. makes you more real, i wish our ancestors who died in slavery could sit you down and explain to you how painful it is to see blacks abusing each other and in the name of uplifting the black community, do we need to be abused in order to prove our worth. No, to allow yourself to be abused by someone just to be down, is not my idea of wisdom. I do believe in a pledge process and it can be done effectively without being abusive to those on line. Those greeks who "hazed" stop treating your neo's like they are not worthy, when it is your own fault that they are not able legally to be pledged today. they look up to you and so many are seeing that what they thought was a step into sister/brotherhood is not that at all. Some of us go to church on Sunday and "praise God" but on Monday look down on the new members, talk about taking somebody's letters off, won't even speak to their own soror or frat, and act like they are some Greek Goddess/God, how UGLY is that. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif
If pledging makes you feel like a better man or woman so be it but i get my self esteem from the Lord, AKA won't get me to heaven. My founders didn't beat and degrade thier neo's they chose women whose morals, ethics and character would further benifit the sorority and the community they lived in. So don't look down or disrespect new members who choose to do things the way their national office has mandated. We are not gangs, so let 's not act like one.

SkeeeWeeee Sorors of AKA who epitomize what a true Lady is.

To mgdzkm433: I know that when people are talking about the "Devil" per se, they use Satan and Lucifer to be synonymous. This is partly inaccurate.

As someone who read Milton's Paradise Lost, Lucifer means 'full of light', and this was his "pre-fallen" name.
Satan was his "post-fallen" name.
So it is not totally accurate to say:
satan=lucifer (sorry to split hairs)

Hazing happens in sports teams too. I wonder why people feel this need to abuse others?
This topic was addressed on 20/20 Downtown or was it Nightline? last week.

Oh, I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. I was just relating the two because of the previous post. The one that thought satin as Lucifer. I should have clarified, but just wanted to get the point across.

I mean satin as the smooth, beautiful fabric.

This is funny!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
This post went from why haze to if this person's name was evil!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Goodness!!!

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Positive Kay

OK THANKS FOR CLEARING UP MY IGNORANCE

RUGreek--I'm feeling you, esp on that last part. Making someone partake in hazing "just becuz" is stupid! I was taught that everything that goes along w/ educating new members should have a point--a good one at that! Hazing for the hell of it is for those who have nothing else better to do w/ their time and to me, they don't respect themselves, the people they are bringing or their orgs. But that's just my opinion. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif But I do think that something is needed when bringing in new members. I mean, how boring would it be to just sit and simply learn about the sister/brotherhood however often. Wouldn't a fun activity make things so much better and enjoyable? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif I think learning by doing is an excellent way to instill things like sister/brotherhood, teamwork, discipline and other things when joining any type of group http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Does S&M mean anything to you? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Just kidding, why do people haze..hmm a very difficult sociological question. I think there are many reasons from "it's fun" to "we had it done to us, so you're gonna get it too" arguments. Hazing is supposed to show discipline and devotion to the higher authorities, in my opinion. I don't think it's right, and I certainly do not condone it, but this is the impression I get whenever people discuss the subject. Hazing has been around a long time now, maybe not as abusive and ridiculous, but it has a long history. When a person gets hazed and accepts the consequences or whatever that goes along with it, the Hazors (if I can make up such a term) believe that this person will honor and sacrifice for them. I believe it could be a positive tool, if not abused and turned into a meaningless torture device. To test a person's loyalty to an organization is a common trait everyone looks for in a member. Hazing is being done for the wrong reasons, but I think that it could be a respectable learning instrument.

Now, Why do people do the wrong hazing? Because they are pathetic assholes who can't seem to figure out that inflicting pain and harm on another is the most dangerous and stupid thing you could possibly do to someone. If hazing has no alternative purpose except to create unhappiness, it has no merits and is completely usless. I hope some of this makes sense, if not, please comment.

RUgreek

ZChi4Life:

I am apart of the father of fraternities and as you this is called MASONRY. I am going to tell it to like this, hazing is not what make your fraternity stronger of any kind. Us as a race of people think that this is right but it is totally wrong. Now I didn't say that I was against having some fun with folks, but you can have good CLEAN fun! You don't have to place your hands on anyone in a improper way at all. I think that alot of men of this page might want to read Psalms 133! And your founders wasn't hazed so why should you?

P.S. Keep the Lord first in all that you do!

No.

No. Some religious sects have issues with masonry, but they aren't doing "the devil's work"

Some GLOs have ties to masonry, as in their founders were Masons. Some members of different GLOs are Masons or OES. It's probably about the same as the general population percentage wise. No GLO is a part Freemasonry or OES, at least not as far as I've ever seen.

Probably when people use the wrong version of "there/their/they're." Oh you meant to tell if they're masons? The organizations aren't. If you want to avoid actual people, you're on your own.

Some people are anti-GLO for religious reasons such as taking an oath, or claiming we worship pagan gods, or the devil or whatever. Only you can decide what's right for you, but I know many religious GLO members who have no problem with the values, ideals, exemplars, etc. of their GLO.

In the days of Yore (Long Time ago) many more people were members of Free Masonary as there were not GLOs.

Many times the people who started these male GLOs were Masons.

I am sure that parts of those rituals were used in writing their rituals.

As a member of a GLO and a non praticing 32 Degree Mason, I can easily state there is no devil worship as Masonary has many things in their ritual beleiveing in God as we know him as do many GLOs.

Symbols are just that and have to do with their rituals.

I just wish you could see the LXA Ritual and see the meanings and how profound it is and the teachings that go along with them.

Masonary was a Brotherhood much the same way as GLOs are today.

They had like beleifes and worked with each other much the same way GLOs today do. Was it secret, of course it was as you had to be asked to join.

How many hazing threads are there going to be?! Post under an existing hazing thread! There's your "insight".

Cheer -- the OP was over 7 years ago.

(just FYI)

I keep seeing "Why Hazel" when I sign on . . . .

Why not. They do have good antiques. ;)

LOL - but that would be about all they have!

Fireworks? Well, maybe "South of the Border".

OH - and Stateline Tack, which also has lots of concrete statues. (??!!)

This is kind of like going down (641) memory lane. Just need a *cold one* and it would be complete.

Remember - SOUTH OF THE BORDER is your "last chance"!!!

Depending on which way you are going.

But here's the funny thing - that's what it says ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SIGN.

Maybe there is a deep philosophical meaning to that sign and we just don't know it. Nahhh. My guess is the painters were "just down the road" a bit, having a few, and then got mixed up as to which side to paint. So they did both sides. Now come to think of it, that just might be kind of philosophical on their part.

And of course everyone else thinks we have lost our minds. Much like the sign guys, I think. :cool:

:eek::o Sorry.

Pedro thinks you have lost your minds. ;)

For your South of the Border fix, check this out.

Ah, but the South of the Border we are talking about isn't NEARLY as classy as the one in S.C. . . . . :cool:
Find a song about Hazel, KY, and the drinks are on me!

Hahahahahaha.

Sorry. We stopped at the S.C. one on a church trip...it was...uh...interesting.

Oh, I don't know that one! Do I want to?

After the S.O.T.B. in S.C., the one outside Hazel wouldn't impress you at all, MysticCat! But should you be in the area, I'd be happy to spend the 30 seconds it would take to tour you through downtown Hazel. (!!!)