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Hazing in Black Frats
Im thinking of pledging a frat, but I always hear about the hazing. Now there is no way in hell im going to let someone beat on me, but my girl friend says if you stand up to them they have no choice but to stop (she wants to be a Delta), but others say you just have to come off line. Can any of you frat members give me any info?? Dont have to tell me any of your secrets but how big of a part is the physical stuff?? What about the sororities??
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From what I gather about BGLO's, if pledging comes up and you don't want to do it, you don't have to. But on the other end, i assume they can decide not to initiate you. If other fraternities are anything like mine, you can go all the way up to initiation, and not be let in. In the case of my fraternity you have to do something REALLY bad to not be initiated once you get a bid, but it's not impossible.
------------------ Steve Corbin Lambda Chi Alpha Theta Kappa Chapter Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. |
Jilla82- None of the 9 NPHC organizations condone hazing.
Corbin- IMHO, there is a difference between pledging and hazing. There is a good article on this at: http://www.3n1promo.com/temple/pvh.html ZetaAce DISCLAIMER: My views are those of CK only and not of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. nor any other member. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif [This message has been edited by ZetaAce (edited July 25, 2000).] |
jilla82...
gone are the days of "School Daze" i suggest you and your girl do some research on the Divine Nine, if those are the organizations that interests you. |
duing the pledge process it's a very slow on the hazing thing. they give you rules and regulations that are moderate from the beginning, but they increase as your time progresses and the amount of time you put into the frat increases. therefore, you won't wanto to de-pledge after all of the work you have done for them. therefore, you will actually do the stupid stuff that they ask you. i know first hand b/c i am in a fraternity. I do not know of ANY fraternity that does not haze, whether they admit it or not. it's a matter of how bad you want to be a brother! that's the point of pledging and that is to show how much these brothers are worth.
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First thing first...women join SORORITIES...not Fraternities in the issue of BGLOs. Make no assumptions and try not to buy into all of the hype you may hear from those who are NOT members of a BGLOs. My Soror ZetaAce has provided you with the information you asked for. Although its been said about 1000 times on this list...do some research and you will find out for yourself if greek life is for you...FYI, in a NPHC you DO NOT DEPLEDGE...its a life long committment...not the thing to do because you are in college.
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ZetaAce: Some "pledging" processes can be considered hazing. Of course your definition, my definition, and letter of the law can all be very different.
Finer Woman: What do you mean you do not depledge? Can a person not quit an NPHC org. if they choose to? I don't understand this, please explain. My fraternity is for life too, but every once in a while, someone decides it isn't what they thought it would be, and they quit, revoke membership benefits and everything. julio25et: MY FRATERNITY DOES NOT HAZE! There may be some chapters that do, but mine DOES NOT. I swear by this statement. I'm not flaming you or trying to start anything. I just want to make it clear that there are chapters of fraternities that don't haze. I didn't even have to take a test or get any signatures! ------------------ Steve Corbin Lambda Chi Alpha Theta Kappa Chapter Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech. |
Yeah im tryin to do research, but how do I know whats real and whats fake? Ive read stuff about people getting beat with belts and getting burned and others saying its not that bad. How do I do research on a topic no one wants to talk about? Thanx for the help you all gave so far. And what did you mean Gone are the days of School Dayz? Havent seen that movie since it came out.
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JILLA82
YOUR IN CHARGE OF YOUR OWN FATE, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN DETERMINE WHICH PROCESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TO GET INTO ANY PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION. IF SOMEONE ASKS YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY TYPE PLEDGING PROCESS THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH YOU SIMPLY TELL THEM, "NO". THIS SHOULD NOT HINDER YOU IN ANY WAY FROM BECOMING A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION. |
To all concerned about "hazing":
To be perfectly honest, this topic should be the LAST thing on your mind when looking at joining a GLO. You should be determining if your GPA is at its highest level, if your community service is on point, if you have developed positive relationships with the members of the GLO in which you are interested, etc. There is so much you need to prepare for as an intrestee, that "hazing" if you are concerned at all, should be looked at after you have been accepted to attempt membership. All your worries will be moot (or mute, actually) if you are denied membership because you were focusing upon the wrong things. If you are accepted into the intake class, you can then be concerned with "hazing." By that point, you will clearly understand what constitutes hazing in that respective organzation. If the group you are interested is "hazing", then I suggest you evaluate whether it is of interest to you to continue the process based upon your own internal goals, objectives and fortitude. People are rarely forced to do things they have no desire to do, and joining a GLO is no exception. I also find the rumors about "hazing" to be far more graphic and exagerated than the truth. So if your concern about "hazing" overrides all other factors about GLO life that interest you, then maybe GLO life isn't for you at this point--it certainly isn't for everyone http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif. Hazing was never a factor in my quest to join my Sorority--I was too busy focusing on membreship requirements, and hazing was not on the list of requirements http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif. Hope this helps, Shela. Quote:
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I suggest you try to find a greek person that you know personally, a cousin a brother wathever,that is in the group you want to be in and ask him what is the hazing situation in the chapter you are interested in. He may be able to find out, or not, or he may tell you that he cannot answer your question. But at least he won't give you the "standard" answer that any member of a BGLO really NEED to say, in a PUBLIC forum in order to not jeopardize their org and chapter.
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i've been wanting to say this for some time now...
it seems apparent to me that many of these non-greeks or high-schoolers have this inate sense that greek like if all about parties, hazing, popularity, sex, drugs and rock 'n roll. i was quite disturbed by jilla82's post. IMHO, the primary reason he's questioning greek life is the hazing aspect. jilla, GPA's are the most important. and if you want to join a BGLO, do your research. find out what PHILANTHROPIES, ALUMNI, SERVICES and HISTRIES appeal to you most. hazing should be the last thing on your mind. the education regarding the greek system is so ignorant of any real validity, it seems. jilla, greek life is not all about parties and hazing. sorry to extract you from that dream of yours. greek life is a lifelong commitment to yourself, your brothers/sisters, your greek heritage and you academic and professional achievement. if hazing if your primary motivation for going greek, you're going at it for all the wrong reasons. etienne sigma alpha iota-the hartt school of music ------------------ "red is the color of music and has been since the very earliest of times. the caps of faeries and musicians are well-nigh always red."~*~w.b.yeats "I think that happiness is when you can let yourself feel every emotion you want at any time instead of being a lying little fuck." - Tori Amos |
Advice,
Membership Intake does vary from chapter to chapter, so talk to someone on your campus. They won't tell you straight up they haze. If they say, "There is a process," that means that there will be hard times. Remember anything worth having has to be worked for. |
I think that someone already touched on it, but the best thing to do, is once you have decided which organization talk to someone "from the Chapter" of the school you plan to attend.
If you don't know what school you are going to, then I wouldn't really worry about it at this point. You are in high school, enjoy it. Intake varies from chapter to chapter, and some chapters have certain traditions. Just to let you know though, no one (at least to the best of my knowledge) is going to give you all the information that you want or need until they determine that they want you in their frat. It's a two way street. Not to be disrespectful, but you may not make it. That's just a fact of life. So focus on your grades, and focus on being the type of person that would make someone want to call you Brother. Peace MN |
Come on now! I know exactly what Jilla82 is talking about. I which org I want to join but I know that I will get beat and have to take wood on many occasions (I have many close friends from different universities who are greek). Now, I would rather do MIP and avoid that, but then absolutely no one will respect me and I even know of bruhs from other campuses who will try to "make" if you weren't "made" right. Explain that! and please don't bullish me.
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Don' t you get it? you will never get a straight an honest answer from a greek in a PUBLIC forum. To whoever said that the priority of Jill should be to focus on his grade, well it never occured to you that it is BECAUSE he is worried about his grades, that he wants to know to the extend of what pledging will destroy his GPA? And that is a reality. That's why you have greeks that change major, defer grade and never graduate, all because of hazing.
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what do you want from us??!!
do you want us to come out and say that any fraternity you pledge will beat your ass? that they'll all haze you, make you eat dog shit, dress you up like ugly women and parade you around on campus like prize fucking dolls??!! you won't know until you find out!!! we've TOLD you the truth, we've TOLD you what we know and that's IT! DEAL WITH IT!! we're not out to secretly destroy you *although by now a few of us have probably thought about it* and we're not out to lie to you. look at every other freakin' post on rush, pledging and hazing....there's a pattern there: they all say the SAME THING!!! get over it, stop your bitching and if you want to pledge, pledge. if you can't make it through, drop. if so, great. but don't bother us with this shit. *disclaimer to any GREEKS out there...sorry for my rant but this was reeeeally bothering me. ------------------ "red is the color of music and has been since the very earliest of times. the caps of faeries and musicians are well-nigh always red."~*~w.b.yeats "I think that happiness is when you can let yourself feel every emotion you want at any time instead of being a lying little fuck." - Tori Amos |
EtienneSAI,
Im sorry you got to the point of frustration that you did. But in a word, sisterfriend... DITTO! LOL Seriously, to all GDI's who claim they know they will get beat down, this is not true. You'd be surprised as to just how many chapters of various orgs have MIP processes. And secondly, to say that you only want to pledge for the respect is absolutely USELESS. You should go into ANY process knowing that it will be for a reason... correction-- a VALID REASON. It should be a learning process, not 3 months of hell just so that your brothers or sisters will look at you and say "Oh, he/she is cool, they pledged!" PLEASE!!! Don't believe the HYPE!!! Yeah, it's well known that members who don't pledge, don't get much respect. But in the end, it won't reflect negatively on you, but rather on the person throwing shade. Think about it. As 2 human beings, how DARE YOU tell me Im LESS of a person/soror/brother just because I don't live up to your expectations. How dare they disrespect you and all that you do for your org (hopefully, if you're joining the org to do WORK, that is). As a Christian woman, I could never do this to a person just because I knew that they weren't made "the right way". In a nutshell, yeah, HAZING does happen. But EVERY FRAT or SORORITY will tell you, "YOU ARE A MAN/WOMAN FIRST". Remember that! And realize what it means. To Icytre: Just a word of caution: Just because someone says "there is a process", That doesnt mean anything. You can go through a "process" of months and months and still be considered PAPER. The question isnt "Is there a process?" but rather, "what kind of process is it?" And to the unregistered users who asked for the "real deal", and No BS answers, this is as real as it gets. No more, No less. PEACE: Proper Education Always Corrects Error SoloRHO PS: Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Kappa Alpha Psi, Fraternity, Inc. Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. & SIGMA GAMMA RHO SORORITY, INC. are all NON-PLEDGING, NON-HAZING ORGANIZATIONS |
No Black Fraternal Organization sanctions hazing...
As a member of ALPHA PHI ALPHA, I would suggest that you not even think of that as an option for yourself...! We don't sanction that...Although, you will go through a process of some sort...each organization can give you ideas about that... Good luck in your journey to join a fraternal body... 06 -- to all my Bruhz Phi-Skee -- to my Sisters Holla if you hear me, Ice Cold Kreator "I love my APHI...I love my APHI...I love my APHIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" |
Alright, here is the deal,
First off, if he doesn't take care of his grades then he will never even make it on line, so when I told him to focus on his grades, I believe that I was telling him correctly. Secondly to the person who said that "you will never get a straight answer from the greeks on this board" you are correct. There is only so much that can be divuldged, and like I said, processes differ from chapter to chapter. Each chapter has thier own traditions that they uphold. If I were him, I would not even worry about being beat down, when the time(IF)it comes, then he can deal with that. The most important thing to do is to try to be the type of person that someone would want in thier frat. I don't care how much you want to be in a frat, if they don't want you, then you ain't gon make it in. PERIOD. Focus on your grades, getting to know the brothers of that chapter, and community service. As far as who pledged harder, who is more a brother. This stuff is not new. All fraternities have been dealing with this issue for many decades now. Brothers from the 80s figure they plegded harder than the 90 brothers, brothers from the 70s think that they pledged harder than the 80s brothers, and so on and so forth. Basically it comes down to a (excuse me for this one ladies) "A dick messuring contest" to see who has the biggest. "I pledged for 20 weeks," "I pledged for a year" "I went to the hospital", this becomes silly and tiresome. Look, I came into my fraternity via an Alumni Chapter. Now there is a certain stigma attached to coming in via Alumni. I know my long and rocky journey to Kappa. Do you think for one minute that I would alow someone to question my right to wear these beloved letters. Hell naw, if we gotta argue, trade wood, or fight, so be it. First off, you must know your shit, secondly you must work you butt of and earn the respect of your brothers. It takes way more than an ass whipping. Any fool can take an ass whipping. But are you willing to work, and get your hands dirty for the frat? That's what brothers look at. You can do your 4 - 6 week process, and then do nothing for the frat, and brothers will call you a sorry ass frat brother after all the ass whipping that you took. Ok, I get long winded, basically man, just focus on you, everyone here is going to give you different advice. Work on your grades, knowing the brothers, and community service. Be a good person, it is the best way to ensure that you will be a good frat brother. Peace and Luv to all MN |
I didn't want to post,cause we've done this hazing topic one to many times. But after reading the orginal post,it left me with a couple of thoughts
If you're truely doing you're research, the first thing you do is check out the offical website of the organization that you're interested in. All of the official websites for the Divine 9 say that they DO NOT HAZE! So,Jilla82, that should answer one of your questions right there. If the OFFICIAL website says it's a NON-HAZING organization, then it's a NON-HAZING organization plain and simple. From what I've learned and seen the intake process differs from chapter to chapter, school to school, region to region. The point is you don't know EXACTLY what's going to happen UNTIL you are EXTENDED an invitation to go on that journey. My final thought is why are you so concerned about hazing in the first place. [Let me make my point first before everybody starts jumping down my back.] Yes, hazing is a serious issue,but the more important issue is you and your self-worth. Do you think getting beat down is what BGLO's are all about? Is that why you want to "pledge"? Cause you think it will make you a "real man"? I'm not going to go into a long speech about the positive aspects of the Greek System,but let me just say that if you think that getting beat down is all there is to joining a greek organization then maybe this isn't something you should persue at this time Disclaimer: The views here are strickly my own. I am a non-greek and know nothing about the intake process |
Ezactly were are these greeks who never graduate and who have these desperately low GPA's, because the one's I know care more about there grades than most independants I know.
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ok,I am so sick of the greeks in here giving these bullshit answers. so, to all of you that are asking the questions of whether or not they still haze and pledge, the answer is YES. Of course they will not dare admit it openly! theyr'e not stupid ok? theyre gonna stick to the script that theyre suppose to recite whenever confronted with this question. I know for a fact that they do. the truth? ha!you'll never get that here some of these people wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped them in the face. it makes me sick. they may lie to you, some of you may really believe them but remember they can't lie to themselves. I know what u did on line!
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First off I am a Neo so I'm gonna keep it real with you. Everyone is going to tell you that they do not haze, for the record Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorperated is a non-hazing fraternity. (You will learn how to say that in your sleep) but anyway the real deal is that no frat or sorrority is going to let you skate in. Does that mean that you are going to get sent to the hospital.. no it does not, it just means that members want to see how bad you want it.
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My sorority, also, is not only nationally non-hazing, my chapter was also. And that is the truth. If it wasn't, I wouldn't bother posting. I would just not say anything. I think you have every right to be concerned about hazing, as it is a violation of your human dignity.
This does not mean I don't know people who have had to do utterly ridiculous and degrading things to join an organization. Many feel this increases your commitment to the organization. There was a poster (a person who posts, not the big pieces of paper with pictures on them) who said she had to wear depends diapers for 24 hours and not go to the bathroom. I am sorry if I offend, but that is just downright ridiculous. When it comes to true hazing (and I don't mean harmless scavenger hunts and interviews), I would hope you could walk away from an organization that makes such a tasteless joke out of their pledge (new member) period. |
LOL, Ice that was very funny. You do learn how to say that in your sleep. It roles off my tongue so naturally.
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I think what FinerWoman was trying 2 state was that the term "depledge/depledging" is not a term used by the NPHC orgz, but is borrowed from non-NPHC orgz. I have heard of a few members (or should I say "former members") of NPHC orgz denouncing their orgz and returning their membership certificates (for WHATEVER excuse), but, 2 my knowledge there is no established process or procedure for this. DeucePrez AŘA 2-MP-86 Currently-OLA chapter |
Mandigo Nupe, Can I get an amen!
Thank you for posting that message. Respect comes from more than being hazed and taking wood. It is not what you do BEFORE you get into the sorority or fraternity it is what you do AFTER. [This message has been edited by Moni93 (edited September 05, 2000).] |
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