Playboy, tattoos, and sorority bashing
 

I was looking thru the new playboy and saw a section called girls with tattoos liked to get pricked. They have pictures of many types of tattoos and decribe what type of girl she is sexually by the tattoo she has. One tattoo has the DZ letters on a butt cheek. They call the type of tattoo "Sorority letters on ass cheek" They say the meaning of the tattoo is "greek for bitch club". They say the implications are "will do anything to be socially accepted, including body mutilation". Under the sex catergory it says "Tell here the BMW is yours and she will be naked in no time". Under Bonus it says " Can chug a beer in five seconds. May be spotted on Girls Gone Wild tape".

I think that was pretty harsh. Especially using the DZ letters.

This is not just a playboy thing...this girl, if she is still a member of this organization should be delt with accordingly

I doubt there would be any way to catch the girl, all they show is a tiny part of her upper butt that has the DZ tattoo.

i personalyl made sure that my letters were tattooed on somewhere when i could easily hide them whenever i chose. they are on my hip, and even my bathing suit hides them at the beach.. never want your letters degraded!

Someone once told me that our sorority doesn't like for us to get tattoos of our letters...true or not?? Anyway, this doesn't surprise me--I've seen the kind of junk that's in those magazines, and it's best to take it with a grain of salt. :rolleyes:

How awful...

I wonder if the girl had any idea that she and her sorority would be degraded to that level when she took the picture...

Although I'm not sure what GOOD purpose she ever thought it would serve in the first place.

Can we really blame Playboy for perpetuating stereotypes? Or rather, should we really be expecting more from a magazine that publishes pictures of naked women?

Sucks for DZs though... so many people will assume she represents the sorority as a whole.

You're right, Dana, Nationals doesn't like for us to get tattoos of our letters.

As for the girl with her be-lettered butt cheek in Playboy...we'll, we've had over 200,000 women initiated in Delta Zeta since 1902. No matter how careful you are, a bimbo is bound to sneak in every once in awhile.

I was really disappointed that Playboy seemed to take this stand against sorority women......I mean look at the type of girls they glorify. Perhaps they have a problem with the image of the "bitch" (actual translation; strong woman) who actually expects to get something out of life and her man. I mean, this is the same magazine that has an item on how to get your woman to let you nail her up the ass......

I really don't know of ANY woman who has her letters on her butt. How disrespectful. Chi Omega discourages having your letters tattooed on, but I still considered it........I was NOT going to have it on my butt though. How tacky.

Personally I think it was a tacky thing no matter WHAT letters they are talking about........not just DZ.

Exactly.

Why didn't they send me my issue yet? Thats horrible I might cancel. Then again I might not. Deffinetly sue them. DZ girls are sweeties

Playboy Sucks
 

Playboy used to show class now they are trash. What better way to prove this. Any female in a sorority has been college educated (obviously). Playboy isn't into that type. I would have to agree with taking it with a grain of salt. Honestly, I don't think the editors made the right decision by letting that slide.

On another note, did the girl with the tattoo think about how that's going to look when she's 60!!! Maybe that's why she took a picture of it now, to show her grandkids. Things that make you go hmmm...

Re: Playboy Sucks
 

LOL showstopper! :D One of the things that prevented me from getting a tattoo in college was thinking about how it would look 50 years down the road and having to explain to my grandchildren that it really did look good at the time. Ick! :D :D :D

Well, all DZ's have to be checked. I'll volunteer. Who's with me?

harsh words about tattoos!! :) my grandchildren won't be able to see mine, its on my hip... alot of my sisters have them.. and honestly when i am 50 i want to look back and say "look at this, i had fun"... :)

Don't bet on it! You obviously have never visited an elderly relative in the hospital not in their right mind! Oh, the things they show off!! And nothing like seeing fake boobs standing at attention while everything else sags!!

Re: Playboy Sucks
 

Actually, the might have gotten accepted to a college, but never graduated.

There's a difference.

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On another note, did the girl with the tattoo think about how that's going to look when she's 60!!! Maybe that's why she took a picture of it now, to show her grandkids. Things that make you go hmmm...

That's exactly what I say to all you younguns who have tattoos!!!! http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies...oom/m-guru.gif

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Yes you are correct. I didn't say all Sorority women have a college degree. At one point in their life they have been educated at a college. I didn't say all finish.

Rather than attack this woman who was pictured in Playboy, why not compain to the magazine for its inappropriate stereotypes of Greek women?

Also, bear in mind that the woman pictured may not actually be a GLO member. It's not unheard of for magazines to use fake tattoos or other enhancements on models to create a desired look. If she is a DZ, then she is definitely disrespecting herself and her sorority, but also consider that she probably was not told what would be printed beside her photo either.

Regardless, I think the blame lies with the magazine for printing such garbage about women in GLOs.

I'm sure somebody knows whose ass that tattoo belongs to...

I think that's a new game show on Fox - Name That Ass.

hahahah name that ass.... ohhhh man...
:)
doubleblue&gold- i *hope* i'm smart enough to keep my tattoos in hidden :cool:
i know there must be SOME other people out there with tattoos.. back me up! hehe ;)

I almost got a tattoo my freshman year the semester after I was initiated. Several of my other sisters got cute ones (like an Omega, which was our pledge class in the shape of two dolphins on her lower back), but I realized that I didn't have something that I wanted on my body for the rest of my life. I ended up being very happy that I didn't do it, because I had some problems with my sisters last year and contemplated leaving. That would have been fun to have that on there for the rest of my life and not even be a part of the organization.

Getting a tattoo is something that you have to seriously think about, whether or not it's your letters. If it is your letters, you have to make sure you are upholding the ideals of your organization at all times (which we do anyway, right?), because you can't just take it off like a t-shirt or a lavalier.

I know that if I ever get a tattoo, it won't have a A or F it, no matter how much I love my sorority.

This is based on this poastand the many others in this vein . . .

I am not surprised that some of you ladies don't want to do this kind of stuff yourselves, Tatttoos etc.

I am not surprised that you would recomend strongly against it if your advice was asked.

I am surprised that you speak so badly about the people that do these things and that you would go out of your way to punish them within the limited options you have at your disposal (expulsion or whatever).

There is a difference between social disaproval and administrative punishment.

I realize that you all seem to fall within a conservative and narrow viewpoint of what is socially acceptable.

However, as intellegent humans you have to also realize that using your viewpoint to restrict other people's behavior leaves you open to the same treatment?

We can always find more conservative groups of people that consider your behaviors to be morally reprehensible.

I think to be fair, any girl that lives in a state with active sodomy laws should be expelled for violating them. They are guilty of breaking a law based on morality. Would you want your letters associated with sodomy? And people talk, we know who does what, and it would be easy to find out in any case.

Reading the posts on here I am beginning to think less of sorority girls in general.

I find the reasoning to be inconsistent, flawed, or based on non-provable premises. And over all you are revealing yourselves a population that is: uptight, judgemental and vindictive.

Uptight in that you have narrow viewpoints of approved behavior.

Judgemental in that you feel free to condemn any action that violates the narrow viewpoints of your social world views.

Vindictive in that you will go out of your way to hurt the transgressor.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, you women must just believe you are intriniscally better human beings than I view myself to be, that you so easily stand in the capacity of judge, jury, and executioner over your Sisters.

I have two tattoos. Neither of which have anything to do with my sorority. I would never get anything sorority related made a permanent part of my body, because my feelings for the people in it tend to waver back and forth. However, I could care less what the other girls get tattooed on themselves. If they wanted to tattoo their letters on their forehead, I'd just tell them to make sure they took care of it, cuz it would look rather nasty if it got infected. (And you know those hair care products wouldn't be too great for it).

To each her (and his) own. Hell, if one of my sisters made it into Playboy, I'd probably buy a bunch of them and get her to autograph them.

Tattoos and such
 

Just a note about tatts

I have one, and it contains three things that i'm very proud of.

My State
My School
and My Fraternity.

60 years from now, if i'm cognizant, i WANT my grandchildren to see mine. It will show them that i'm not just another old man. I was once their age, and had the same thoughts, wishes, hopes, etc as they do. It will also show them that these things were important enough to me to put on my body, and will hopefully encourage them to have the same feelings for those things that i have.

And since i take the vows and pledges i make in our ritual seriously, i am in no fear of mis=representing my fraternity.

I would highly doubt that the girl in question's tattoo is real. more likely it is either a fake one, or an airbrush job.

BTW, did they say anthing in the spread about the 'cliche' butterfly tatt?

Kitso
KS 361 times a day i feel proud about my tatt.

james to the rescue... i was drowning for a minute there... i agree that everyone is being rather judgemental... "no matter the letter, we're in it together"... there are no rules against having letters tattooed on in my sorority, in fact, a bunch of my sisters have yellow roses with letters on them somewhere...

crystalline- your letters represent your affiliation with the org, and the ideals and beliefs held by them. sometimes i don't get along with my sisters either, but we are still sisters.. "sisters first, then friends".. do you not wear your letters when you are mad a sister? just saying that even if you fight with your sisters it doesn't bring the meaning of those lovely letters tattooed on you down :D

AggieSigmaNu361- good for you! having letters tattooed on me makes me feel proud 100% of the time i walk around. :D :D :D

I am surprised that so many people are getting all fired up about this. Personally, I do not have a problem with tattoos per se....I think there are certainly some that are tacky depending on where they are and what they depict. Sorry but there is nothing trashier looking to me than a girl all dressed up in a pretty gown with her hair done and the makeup and everything, and then some band of roses around her upper arm or a butterfly peeking out of the back.

I think the intial sense of horror over the Playboy piece was that they had a little chart that showed the type of tattoo, and then listed what type of girl she was, how to get her in bed, and what she would be like after "the deed" or something to that extent. The description of the girl with the DZ tattoo was something like "Social-climbing sorority bitch." CONSIDERING the type of woman that Playboy portrays as ideal, I (and many sorority women) find it rude and perverse of Playboy to stereotype all sorority women as bitches.

My guess is that the tattoo was fake. It did not look real to me, and the fact that they listed it as "Greek letters on her ass" led me to believe that they have no idea what the hell they are talking about. I know of NO Greek woman (or man for that matter) who had their letters tattooed ON THEIR ASS. I don't think it is at all disrespectful of your organization to get a tattoo, in fact I believe it is a sign of devotion.....to put the letters on your ass, yes that is disrespectful. But the fact is that most organizations frown upon it because if you get your badge pulled they don't want you wearing the letters anymore.

I agree that many people here are being a bit harsh. Everyone has different values and different opinions, thus they will make different decisions. Just because someone's choices are different from yours, they aren't necessarily wrong.

Ouch
 

:( I have a butterfly on the small of my back

Re: Ouch
 

I like butterfly tattoos :)

butterfly tattoos are good. i have one on the small of my back, and one on my foot! :)

roxydiva

James,

I really wish that you would get off your high horse. Last time I checked, you weren't a member of the NPC, and I'm more than a little tired of your "holier than thou art" posts whenever you disagree with an NPC sorority woman's viewpoint that is more conservative than your own. :rolleyes:

Determining what is and is not appropriate behavior for its members is the job of each GLO's national council. Now, unless you've got some deep dark secret that you haven't shared, you don't sit on my GLO's National Council -- so how dare you sit in judgement of the women on GC who are doing nothing more than saying that certain actions are not acceptable in their particular organizations? :mad:

I certainly can't speak for all sororities, but I can speak for mine when I say that Delta Zeta strongly discourages tattoos -- particularly ones that include our letters. The forward-thinking women who added the text about tattoos into our national policies didn't do it because they were "uptight", "judgemental" or "vindictive." They did it because they were wise and knew what might happen if our sisters started permanently stamping their bodies with symbols relating to Delta Zeta. And guess what? Their fears have been realized! There are our letters disgracefully plastered in this month's Playboy magazine because of someone not adhering to DZ policy.

We don't force women to join our sorority. However, like any organization, we do have certain rules that we expect members to follow if they want to remain in good standing. James, you may not agree with our rules, but **surprise** your opinion doesn't matter in this case because you aren't a member of my organization. You as a non-NPC member do not have to like our policies and you certainly don't have to abide by them, but I'll be damned if I'm going to silently sit back and let you insult the women who do!

You say that you are "beginning to think less of sorority girls in general." If being loyal to our sorority and wanting to protect her good name is making you think less of us, then so be it. I have to say that after reading some of your own arrogant, judgemental and vindictive posts that I am beginning to think less of you.

I welcome the comments of other sorority women on the tattoo issue, and I certainly don't have a problem with any of the (non-DZ) GC ladies who believe that having a tattoo, and particularly one associated with their GLO, is okay. I personally don't feel that I have the right to tell a woman of another GLO whether she should or should not have a tattoo on her person. However, I have no problem telling a DZ sister that our policies discourage the practice of permanently affixing official DZ symbols to our bodies in the form of a tattoo, and stating my opinion that we should abide by those policies out of respect to our sorority.

We've had a similar discussion on tattoos on the AGD boards. Personally, I don't want a tattoo, but far be it from me to tell someone else *not* to do it.

I draw the line when my sisters start using the Greek letters and official symbols relating to ritual. Someone else--can't remember who--put it very eloquently: "Those letters don't just belong to you, but also 100,000 other sisters."

There are lots of other tattoos you can get to express your Greek pride. For instance, I wouldn't have a problem with a squirrel tattoo or one of red and buff roses. That's something a sister would recognize immediately, but doesn't necessarily scream, "HI! I'm an Alpha Gam!"

But if I see a sister with the Armorial Bearings or the letters on her...YES, I think that's disrespectful; YES, I'm going to have a conniption; and YES, that sister is going to hear about it from me.

And if that makes me judgemental, so be it. But I prefer to think of it as being respectful of my Founders, history, and ritual.

greeklawgirl,

Exactly my point. Many of my pledge sisters have rose tattoos or turtle tattoos. I like most of my sisters' tattoos and I think that they can be attractive if done in the right spot. I personally wouldn't do it myself (for the "grandchildren" reason that I stated earlier), but I don't criticize my sisters for having them. However, there's a big difference between a turtle and DZ letters, and we do have a written policy that indicates where the line between "acceptable" and "not acceptable" lies.

I think that there is another big reason Delta Zeta, or any sorority for that matter, discourages getting a tattoo containing greek letters: it could be taken as hazing. Some might think that our ritual or intiation "forces" women to tattoo or brand themselves with our letters. Kinda makes sense. As far as tatttoos in general, I have one. It is on my hip and is a turtle. I don't really care what other's stand on tattoos is...trashy, not trashy...etc. It's my body, period.

As far as the girl in playboy...to be honest, I am a little torn. Good for her, to have enough self-conifdence...however, I wish she would have considered the ramifications by using our letters. (assuming, of course that she actually is a Delta Zeta).

<Sigh> We can't win for losing, girls!!

Blaire

Who cares what people think? Delta Zeta is a great sorority! They should be proud to get pink and green letters tattooed on them if they want to. The one DZ girl who was our pledge classes coach this year for pledge battles (their philanthropy) sent them/us a nice card. They don't haze. They have a lot to be proud of and definetly should not be called EZ... I think they are classy.

Hey thanks Optimist! That was really sweet! :D :D :D

Blaire

Personally, I think that many of the men on here have no business commenting on certain issues that are strictly sorority business, such as Rush procedures and "protecting our letters." Sure, they may be in a GLO, but a fraternity's Rush and reputation guarding are very very different from a sorority's.

IMO, instead of contributing to anything, they sound ignorant & rather pompous.

Of course sorority women are judgmental - look how we got in! We volunteered to join a sorority. We judge the girls who want to join our sisterhood. So yes, that's a very judgmental culture we decided to take part in.... And I continue to judge people in all ways - just as they are judging me. So what?

Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought BUTTERFLIES were trashy........I was just giving examples of typical tattoos. I meant that I think it looks tacky to have a tattoo in a really obvious place where it might not look too appropriate later on in life when you are all dressed up or trying to be professional. To me, a tattoo is a more personal thing. When you're going out clubbing and you want to look sexy, some cute little thing slipping out above the waistband is great......when you are walking down the aisle in your Vera Wang, some big old thing plastered on your shoulder isn't so terrific. When you are giving a presentation in your tailored suit, that flower showing through your hose on your ankle isn't real discreet.