Date Rape Drugs
 

It has recently come to my attention that several fraternities on my campus have and have been using date rape drugs. Does anyone have any suggestions ( besides the obvious) on keeping my sisters safe ?

If it has come to your attention, then it has certainly come or should come to the attention of others. Campus safety, town police, IFC, and NPC should handle such an issue; you can't do that singlehandedly. Not to mention that if the fraternities are really using them then no doubt the non-Greeks are too. It's not just a Greek problem.

Only go to parties of frats that don't have them. That is the only way to send the message that you will not tolerate this kind of bullsh*t.

but how do you know that you had one after it's not too late? this kind of mess is only for cats who coudn't get laid in a whorehouse selling blowup dolls.

In response
 

This issue came to my attention through the university. An organization on campus informed one of my sisters and she passed the word on. The university just gave out pamphlets and info on what to do afterward which helps but doesn't really solve the problem. After reading some of the responses, I do believe the local police should try to help or the university should put forth more of an effort, but how ?

Re: In response
 

I can just see this pamphlet--"It has come to our attention that the fraternities are passing out date rape drugs..."

Yeah, right.:rolleyes:

When you are too messed up to stand, and you've only had one or two drinks, that means you've been druged.

I'm a little skeptical as to the intent of the starter of the thread here. I'm seriously questioning the validity of this thread...

However, if it is a TRUE concern of this new poster.. If you do not know which groups are doing this at parties your best bet is never to go to a party alone. Take a male or female friend with you and watch out for eachother. Even if this is being done your chances of being drugged are still probably relatively low. If you just keep tabs on eachother though you can still have a safe time.

Now, if it DID happen, the fraternity in question, club, guy that owns the apartment, whatever should definitely be held responsible. Involve local police immediately and probably all other groups will follow suit. A fraternity that doesn't police its door and does open parties is opening their doors to this sort of thing happening. Remember just because it's at a fraternity party doesn't always meen it's a fraternity member. There are plenty of independant weirdos that show up at our parties.

The only way they can combat this is to keep a strict list and only invite people that they know. This way if there is a problem they know it's their problem.

Re: Date Rape Drugs
 

I swear I only wish I had your free time... Maybe you should go help your daughter study... or prepare for recruitment... it starts in a few weeks... ROFLMAO!!!!

Re: Date Rape Drugs
 

Do you go to UF with UF Puck?

He seems to be an expert on GHB. I guess that is common among Pikes/bartenders/party promoters.

OK, I'll give what info I know. If nothing else, someone who reads this will learn something new.

GHB/roofies/date rape drugs QUICKLY dissolve in liquid. They are colorless, odorless, and tasteless. You don't know you've been hit until usually the next morning where you wake up and can't remember a good chunk of the night before. Other than staying away from places that you KNOW date rape drugs have been showing up,
NEVER allow someone else to get a drink for you. ALWAYS get your own.
NEVER set your drink down or leave it unattended.
NEVER drink from a "community punch" Get your own sealed bottle/can. And open it yourself, or watch the bartender open it.
If you have a beer bottle, keep your thumb over the hole when holding it.
If you can't drink out of a bottle/can, take a mug with a lid on it.
Watch for very "out of it" sisters being led away by one guy away from the crowd. Stay in pairs, etc.
Don't drink!

Of course, this advice applies to both genders. However, I don't know if a guy who takes GHB will be able to *ahem* "function", so I think it's more prevalent that females are hit with GHB then males.

Your college health center or counseling center can also give you information. Of course, this info was probably in the pamphlet they gave you or your sister/daughter/etc. It's basic info.

And by the way. Let the university and police do their job. You never know who's undercover and
*watching*!! Why call attention to yourself, unless you like that sort of thing. ;)

i really don't know what to say
 

I have been reading these message boards for quite a long time but never posted anything because I never really needed to. The one time I finally have something I need to post, people accuse me of lying and making it up ? I am shocked! How could you think I wasn't serious ? Why would I post it unless it was a legitimate concern ? It is a problem here on my campus and some of my sisters have been affected by the problem!

Re: i really don't know what to say
 

Simmer down now! :eek:

Re: i really don't know what to say
 

The "ONE" time you finally say something? LMAO... More like the "ONE" time under the new name!!!

People who lurk before they post, normally start their first post with... Hi... I am a XYZ or am a PNM... attending City University! I have been hanging out, but this is my first post!

Not... with a topic like this.

Where do you go to school? Oh wait don't tell me.. Baylor? did they have the same problem at SHSU?

ok, why ?
 

Why the hostility ? If you don't have anything good or productive to say then don't say anything at all! Why try to start arguments ?

I have no reason to doubt that you're serious.

Really the best preventive measure i can think of is the buddy system. Never go to a party alone and always watch out for each other. Maybe have one person volunteer to be the sober friend that watches out for the group. Trade off so it's not the same person who is always stuck being the sober babysitter.

Well I really don't know if this was a serious post to begin with, but is definetly a serious topic. I've heard that the manufacturer's of these drugs are trying to make them so that they will turn blue when they're in liquid. This would do wonders in any light colored drink, but not so well with pepsi.

Re: ok, why ?
 

Productive:

GREEKGIRL8, What University do you attend and what GLO are you a member? The reason I ask, is that most Universities/Colleges and fraternity/sororities have polices in place to address/prevent/report incidents similar to Date Rape Drugs. Please note that I include Universities/Colleges because this is not just a problem at fraternity houses. I would hazard a guess that this happens more outside of the Greek Community.

Do you and your sisters only hang out at fraternity houses? I would think that the campus and their nationals would be aware of this situation. I also think that no one would hang out with gentlemen or fraternities that are known to be involved in this type of situation... They are playing with their charter, something I would not think someone would want to lose.

Maybe I was just sheltered/lucky or both... but I do not remember anytime that I felt unsafe in the Greek Community... The times out at clubs that I did feel unsafe, my sisters and my guy friends were right by my side!

I do not remember reading about a problem with the Date Rape Drug in the Greek Community and if there was one... ***we have a few GC members who sluth out the good and bad Greek Press***... I am sure we would have heard about it...

If this is truly a problem on your campus, then you need to talk to your President and she needs to address this with Greek Life and Campus Police. GHB and other drugs are nothing to stall about...

Anyone else ever heard of these?

New coasters to detect date-rape drugs
by Erica Bush
Staff Writer

Ohio University students and Athens residents will still have to think twice about leaving their drinks unattended. The technology for new coasters that claim to detect the presence of date-rape drugs is not likely to be used locally anytime soon.

The coasters, distributed by Drink Safe Technologies, Inc., contain two test spots with a color indicator designed to chemically change to deep blue when someone puts a drop of a drug-tainted drink on them, said inventor Francisco Gerra.

If a drug is present, the test spot will change within one minute, turning blue no matter what type of date-rape drug is used, he said. GHB and Ketamine are among the drugs detected by the coaster.

More than 50 million coasters have been sold to universities and bars in the four months they have been on the market, Gerra said.

But OU is not likely to be among the colleges purchasing coasters.

The university became aware of the coasters this summer and started to research them, said Charlene Kopchick, director of health education and wellness.

An investigation, including a call to the Michigan State Police Crime

Lab that provided evidence that the coasters are ineffective, has left OU doubtful of the coasters' usefulness and unwilling to support the distribution of them to students, she said.

"There is just not enough evidence to conclude these coasters will work,"

Kopchick said.

OU officials are skeptical about distributing the coasters for several reasons. First, a dentist invented them - not a forensic scientist. Also, the coasters might not work for dark-colored drinks. Furthermore, the coasters cannot differentiate between street drugs and date-rape drugs. In some cases, they might take a half-hour to detect the presence of certain drugs, she said.

"If we were to distribute them and they did not work, it might give people a false sense of security," Kopchick said.

Despite evidence from the Michigan State Police Crime Lab contradicting the coasters' effectiveness, Gerra said he stands by his product.

He believes the coasters work, and those who say they do not, have never performed a test on them or have performed a test using a weaker concentration of a solution than that needed to detect date-rape drugs.

"I challenge anyone to take a coaster to a forensic lab and test it out,"

Gerra said.

Whether or not these coasters work, local bars were not aware of the new product and, like the university, have no plans of distributing them.

Jim Prouty, owner of O'Hooley's Irish Pub, 24 W. Union St., said he has not heard about these coasters and probably would not look into using them any time soon.

In the 21 years he has been working there, date-rape drugs are not something that he has seen a problem with, Prouty said.

It also has not been a concern for employees of Casa Cantina, 4 W. State St., who are unaware of the coasters.

"I have heard of (drugs being slipped into drinks) being a problem for other bars, but not here," said bar manager Sean Collins.

It might be a consideration to carry these coasters in the future as a preventative measure if they become more convenient and are proven to work, Collins said.

The Pub, 39 N. Court St., also will remain among the bars unchanged by the new technology.

The Pub's manager Dennis Shaffer said there is no need for the coasters.

"We always hope most people have friends with them when they drink, and that those friends encourage them not to leave their drinks unattended," he said.



Unmarked coasters are 40 cents each and sold in quantities of 125

Custom-labeled coasters are 45 cents each and sold in quantities of 10,000

For purchasing information see the Drink Safe Technologies, Inc. Web site (http://www.drinksafetech.com) or call 1-888-707-SAFE.

Re: Re: ok, why ?
 

I can let you know that date rape drugs are a serious problem in the Greek community -- maybe no MORE of a problem than they are outside of the Greek community, but they are a problem nevertheless. And, speaking for myself, one of my sisters and her friend went out to a fraternity party last weekend and they think the friend got drugged -- her friend didn't watch anyone mix her drinks (always a mistake), and she was out after only a couple drinks. They can't think of another explanation besides the date rate drug, but since they have no proof -- and even if they had, they wouldn't have known whether or not it was a fraternity member or not who had done it -- so they're not taking it to the police, but it could have turned into a serious problem if this girl hadn't had anyone looking out for her.

Regardless of the intentions of the original poster, this is a serious and relevant issue within the Greek community, and it deserves to be discussed here.

**********Please Be Advised**********

I am not speaking as a moderator, but rather a concerned member of the community.

Stop Accusing Other People of Being Someone Else and Therefore Trying to Discredit Their Post! Unless you have some definitive proof!

Enough already children.

It is rude, condescending, and discourages people from meaningfully interacting on this board when they are slammed because someone wants to mock their post.

Another thing.

As a moderator, I can tell you that the VAST MAJORITY (like 99 percent) of the time when someone has been accused of being someone else, that accusation was FALSE.

Ok, are we all on the same page yet?

This is a Greek Life Bulletin Board. We don't know each other. We have no way of knowing how accurate each poster is being.

So as mature readers, what we do is have a suspension of disbelief. Meaning we take what we read at face value. And comment on the information in that post.

Is that so difficult?

If you still have a problem with a poster and think they only exist to do people some type of harm, like Cyber-Fricking-Terrorists trying to destruct the greek system with word bombs, please contact the moderator of that forum or John the Administrator at webteam@greekchat.com .

Now lets get back to talking about Date Rape.

Thank you and have a nice day. :)

re: coasters
 

DeltAlum,

When I first read that article, I didn't realize they meant the little paper coasters you get under your drink in the bar...and I was having a very very very very very very VERY hard time envisioning guys using coasters at the fraternity house. :D :D

And you're going to test every single one of your drinks? Interesting idea but not very practical.

If I may hijack this post briefly to comment on identities of posters:

To All New Posters:

If you have joined GreekChat for legitimate reasons--i.e., for fellowship or to learn--welcome! We're glad to hear from you!

If you have signed on for sh*tty reasons--i.e., to create conflict or annoy GC members or to try to get them to say something nasty about Greeks so you can, say, use it in the media--

Please go jump in the nearest swamp and drown yourself. Thank you!:D

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Re: re: coasters
 

33,

It would be cost prohibitive to put big ramps in all of the fraternity houses to use those big coasters!

Seriously, and speaking of cost prohibitive, these "little" coasters are damned expensive. You have to assume that a bar would add that expense to the cost of the drink. Those are pretty expensive as it is.

The buddy system, or keeping you hand over the top of your glass whenever you aren't actually drinking from it, or when you are looking/talking in a different direction seem to me like the best defense.

As a final note, any man, fraternity or other, who has to resort to drugs to get laid is beneath contempt.

You forgot to mention something....



Are they using them to date rape chicks? or are they using them to get wasted themselves?


Take GHB for example, just about every guy I know that uses it DOES NOT slip it into chicks drinks, rather he uses it for himself either to get wasted drinking only 1/3 of what he normally needs to, OR he uses to burn all the fat down in his body while lifting weights.


Please state the facts.

You're right. I did forget something. About three years ago, a Delt at Ohio State died after taking GHB and drinking. He passed out and drowned in his own vomit.

Enjoy.

GHB
 

My advice on this would be, to make sure everyone is aware. Maybe get a speaker to come in and talk about it to your chapter. But as always, NEVER EVER EVER leave a drink anywhere!!! and if you do don't pick it back up! If one of your girls starts acting overly intoxicated, passing out, DO NOT let her out of your site, that is one of the symptoms of GHB


REcently i was victem of the date rape drug, yet was fortunate that nothing sever happened to me because my friends took care of me! I was sick, and out of it for a couple of days however. I know that before this incident, i knew what GHB was, but was one of those people who said I have Nothing to worry about It won't ever Happen to me! Now, I have a whole new outlook on it.

So for My sake as well as yours. Please educate them on this, it's exstremly scary and dangerous!

Thanx~

Bridget~
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Damn, you guys act like it's bad or something.



You know it was legal just 3 years ago. I remember buying it in GNC stores in malls.


The FDA outlawed it only when people started being bad with it.



I think most cases of chicks thinking they've been slipped a date rape drug is just an exaggeration of being extremely drunk.

They don't want to look like a lush so they say...."Oh, I must have been slipped GHB since I was acting liek an idiot..."

Stupid chicks!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Totally unfounded with absolutely no backup, and some of the most remarkably sexist things I've ever read.

Unbelievable.

Does this fall into the category (refering to another thread) that ALL drugs should be legal???

You should do some research before you post....


GHB was NEVER used as an animal tranquilizer.......you moron!

You're thinking of KETAMINE...otherwise known as "K" or
"special K"....that is the ONLY drug that is on the street right now that comes from VETS.

There's nothing worse than people who act like they know what they're talking about.

I'd also like add....


People didn't start dying off of it until they made it illegal.


If you know your drug history, when it was legal it wasn't as harsh. There were regulations. People just found that you can take too much and get really wasted off of it. Some people did die....it was VERY rare. People didn't start dying reguarly until they made it illegal and idiots started thinking they were chemists and started making it themselves.

Our government, being the brilliant agency it is, forgot to do something as simple as outlawing the key ingredients to make the $hit. By not making the KEY ingredients hard to get, they said, "OK, we're not going to be responsible for the deaths, but if you want, you can make it yourself."

A fellow brother of mine from Ga. tech, who is also the prince of some small european country, made the crap on a regular basis. He's from europe and there they use it all the time for weight lifting. There you can still buy it in stores.

It's a win loose situation. The government of America doesn't want to be responsible for deaths, yet doesn't take the time to either A. eliminate the Key compents of G from the market or B. make them extremely hard to get. By not doing so, they have instead caused more deaths from careless "G" chemists. It kinda like the kid at UF who got arrested for making his own LSD in the chem lab.

Actually he is kind of right DeltaAlum.

There was a lot of pressure to by the US LEagal Agencies to have Europe treat GHB the same way the US does.

The Eurepean Agenecies came out with some reports saying that there really isn't a problem.

Also, I have heard enough girls say something like, "I must have been slipped something", to give some doubts to the veracity of their claims.

Also, the symtoms described by them are usually inconsistent with the actual effects of these drugs.

Keep in mind they are drugs so the physiological effects are pretty well known.

The symtoms given by fsu24DZ are inconsitent with the known effects of GHB. Sorry but that is truth. The molecule has been tested for decades so its a pretty well known.

He is actually correct here, although a little harsh lol.

Ketamine was used as the animal tranqulizer. Its not a good date rape drug however, because it leaves the person conscious but at extreme doses it makes you unable to move. Wierd eh? I am not sure I see the attraction of being tranqued out. But I have never tried the drug so I should reserve judgement.

Re: Re: re: coasters
 

Bravo. Real men with real game don't have to use drugs to have sexual intercourse.

We had a speaker come in to talk to the Greek community that said that a lot of the times, alcohol can mix with an existing drug in the user's system -- cold medicine, prescription drugs, anti-depressants, you name it -- and cause a reaction similar to that of GHB. So while I agree that sometimes a girl may not have actually been drugged in cases where she thought she was, it's generally not due to excessive drinking, but rather a couple drinks mixing with something else.

Well James, I'm telling you it is from seeing others do it....


You're still conscious, yet you can't move your legs often times. It is somewhat like G in the sense that you can go in to a "hole". It is easily confused with cocaine because it looks just like it. However, you do not want to take a line of "K" as if it were blow. Withing 3 minutes you would be knocked out, in what they call "K" hole. you'd be awake but in a totally different world. Amazingly though, about 30 minutes after your in that "hole" you snap out of it and it is as if nothing happened......When I saw someone go through what I just described for you, the first things that came to my mind was...."SHIT! Now I know what those Tigers go through on the Discovery channel when they're being tagged!".......

However, if you have a "Bump" (key chain bump) it's like being drunk and on Zanex.......




Oh and to steel trap.....

I don't know how to explain this to chicks...

Guys don't just go out and buy a $hit load of drugs to give chicks inorder to nail them....

They do it because it makes things more comfortable.....

I don't know anyguy who just gave chicks a bunch of drugs to knock them out and then nail them....

I think thats another overexxagerated story from some chicks

I just now saw, on CNN, Nick Nolte being led away by cops. He's been picked up for GHP. Oh, he looked like a real sex symbol--stumbling, weaving, blank- faced...unrecognizable. What a wonderful drug.

Harmless drug? They caught him driving in the wrong lane.

UF_Pike, DeltAlum knows only too well about the tragedy of drugs and you'd do best to heed his advice to avoid them.

Did I miss something or were you implying something?