we need a moderator
 

anybody know why the KD forum doesn't have a mod? I know that i PMed John about it shortly after I joined... we're getting more members on here, and i think that it would be beneficial to have one. Especially to keep out the junk:)
Plus, there's not a single KD mod on GC at all. We need to be representin', ladies;)

kddani, I am with you! We had trouble last school year on the Pi Phi board. I think someone finally got part of it erased for us. At least we have the wonderful birthday girl Carnation!!!!

I didn't think that this forum needed a moderator...that's why there's never been one!?

Looks like you have 2 now. Congrats!

Well Ladies of KD , You have been give not one but TWO of your Sisters to be Moderators. There was a lot of input on this from all of the Mods.

KD thread need Mod.s to help make the site grow and two of the finest have stepped up and been added!!!!!:)

Congrates to the two new Mods of KD thread!!!!!!!:cool:

Ladies, the thread is yours!

Hey!! I just noticed! Congrats, girls! :D

I just noticed that Dani isn't a mod anymore. Anyone here know if there are plans in place to replace her (not that you can ever really be replaced, dani!)?

Yea, we really do need a moderator again. Any chance one can be appointed?

It's easier to get your teeth pulled than to get a moderator for your forum.

Just ask the Sigma Kappas.

That makes me a very sad Panda. :(

Agreed. i still have never received a response from John to my PM that he promised to answer... But I don't foresee the KD forum getting a mod anytime soon.

Thankfully we now have super mods that we can ask to delete things instead of waiting around for John. This is particularly good because I just received word yesterday about a KD GCer who is very recently no longer a KD (and no, not just a rumor, this came from a National Officer). So if any problems do pop up, I have put several mods on notice.

Then its off to the island of misfit-modless-GLOs for the KDs I guess :-)

buahahahaha I was waiting for that :)

Since he's managed to change AlphaGamUGA/ALphaGamUGAALum/UGAAlum.. whatever's name so often, you'd think he'd move faster on a moderator issue now as well.

Good luck though KDs, even if you don't make it a full blow sig protest.

Is there ever really problems on the KD boards? Now I know there was drama like a two years ago, but do things really happen that we don't see? Or is the mod just a precautionary thing?

No, there aren't really problems, but sometimes it would be nice to know that if there are, we can do something about them. There have been a few arguments lately that have carried over to this board, and this thread, actually.

There are "super mods" who are able to take care of any problems if necessary.

That's still not really an excuse for a forum not having a moderator, if someone would like to fill the position. Even the super mods can't be in all places at all times...

Sigma Kappa didn't really need a mod until everyone's favourite troll came and started sh*tting all over our forum because she was post-stalking certain members. Oh, and Rudey and Bobby dropped by too. There will come a day when poor Kappa Delta will suffer the same indignities and I hope that you get a mod before that day, otherwise it will probably be immortalized on your forum forever.

I hear ya. :)

And P.S. Alex Mack was the greatest show ever. :p Unless of course your name is really Alex Mack. :D

It has happened at least twice. And thank the gods that we had a trustworthy moderator who was on top of it, rather quickly, I might add.

Do we know WHY it is so hard to get a mod? If I knew why (and that reason was legitimate), I'd maybe understand what the hold-up is, but without an explanation... well, it just doesn't make sense. Am I the only one confused by this?

Don't waste your time being confused by it. It's not worth it.

I'm not John, but I'm going to throw in my two cents based on my past experience as a moderator. Even if a group of XYZs unanimously approve one of their own to act as their moderator, it doesn't mean isht if the existing mods tell John they don't want her. After all, there's the sanctity of the mods' corner to preserve. :rolleyes: They don't like to let too many newbies in!

Or John probably doesn't think that ya'll are high priority at the moment.

I haven't actually figured out the whole "mods corner" thing. I get why it's necessary, but at what point does it become just an excuse to keep others away. One might say elitist. The members best know who suits them for a moderator, SK got a great one, but I don't see why all of the other mods get a veto. Perhaps it should be more of a "remove the person if they do a bad job" and less of a "oh we can't have him/her, what about the MOD'S CORNER"

97% of the time, if an existing moderator has a problem with a mod nomination/suggestion -- they usually express dissent via PM directly to John.

I wasn't around when John did his recent Moderator Review, but my guesses is that all discussion took place via PM because the mods who got the boot didn't even see it coming and to this day still haven't received an explanation from John as to why.

I don't know where you heard or surmised this, but the other mods do NOT get a "veto." A veto implies that their negative opinion settles the matter and overrides everyone else's vote, and that most assuredly is not the case.

I don't mean that any moderator has a literal veto. Just that they, collectively or not, can overrule the wishes of the forum members. Perhaps more transparency in the whole matter would make it clearer for everyone.

It sounds like the channels of communication are not there for either the average member or the moderators.... at least those who find themselves on the wrong end of the boot. If PM is the common method of discussion, why even bother having a forum. Have an area of locked threads (which IMO should be viewable by everyone, not just moderators) and leave it at that.

There are plenty of locked threads that are still viewable to everyone - I don't know quite what you're talking about with that one.

And no, the mods CANNOT overrule the wishes of the forum members as to who they want appointed. The only person who can appoint a mod is John. The most mods can do is offer opinions, but in reality, this is John's site. If he wants to delete all my posts for no reason, or do something else capricious and arbitrary, he can.

I mean ones that are moved instead of locked and left. I think moving all threads locked for flaming, etc. to a single forum instead of either locked and left or moved to an area where they are unseen by the rest of the forum would be preferable. Perhaps this area would only be viewable to members who are logged in, if that would satisfy others.

I'm well aware John makes the final decision, but a moderator's protest, or multiple moderator's protests appear to strongly influence his position. And I know full well that moderators have their own grudges just as much as regular members do. The fact that KD may internally agree on who the best moderator would be and this person would not be chosen, (in fact no one may be chosen) makes no sense to me. I'd like to see more transparency in the whole process, making it less of a drama. It's a moderator of a forum. It shouldn't take months to decide.




(And for the record, I'm not talking about me. I only volunteered because SK didn't have a moderator, and now we do, and she's great. Just thought I'd clear the air on that one)

You see... this is the reason I think we need a mod. No one is being obstinate, but clearly people have differing opinions. If there's no mod, then the likelihood of posts getting out of hand significantly increases.

Sure, there are supermods, but as kathykd2005 pointed out earlier, that doesn't justify intentionally keeping a group from having a mod (if the group wants one).

I'm afraid I've stirred the pot just by pointing out the fact that we no longer have a mod. It's a catch-22. If I hadn't said anything about it, people (aka John) would assume we don't need/want one. But since I did say something, it seems like now there's kinda an unwelcoming air about the place. And that makes me sad. :(

Some threads are just simply inappropriate to leave public, though. Surely you wouldn't want anything that discusses Ritual, Membership Selection, or anything that compromises an organization's integrity be available via search result, right?

I know some threads get send to the MC for review. Some get cleaned up and sent back to the public forums. Still, there are some things that aren't meant to be left public (insert dueling banjos here).

Hope you don't find the conversation inappropriate for your forum, I will take it elsewhere if y'all would prefer.

Oh I completely understand that things need to be deleted. And if it were a viewable locked threads forum those pages could be set not to be searched and cached by search engines as well as limiting access to logged on members. I just think that if it shouldn't be public, delete it. If it's just a flame war, it should be locked and moved. (Not that I always agree about the locking of flame wars. I'd rather see the discussions moved to the appropriate area, or Chit Chat, and allowed to continue under the "we're all adults here" mentality. Locking and closing the thread means starting a new one which just results in half of THAT thread being whining about the fact that it's a new thread.

No, I personally don't find the conversation inappropriate, nor do I think it needs to be taken elsewhere. But, if we had a mod, if either of those things were the case, a mod would be able to take care of it. Without having to go find a supermod to do it.

I'm just sayin'...

FWIW, James and Barbara are on quite frequently so no one really needs to go find them. I recall reporting a post in this very thread that got taken care of very quickly, and even got a nice reply from the mod thanking me for the heads up. :)

If there's a problem in the KD forum (or any forum, for that matter) -- just make sure you report it. The mods aren't on 24/7, but they're pretty on it as far as taking care of things go, and that's a big GC improvement.

Thanks - I just never really paid much attention to who is a super vs. run-of-the-mill mod.

And I know the posts you're talking about - thanks for reporting them, btw.

John gets to things in his own sweet time. The members of the particular GLO forum rarely get any say as to who becomes their mod. John could generally care less about anyone's opinions other than current mods, and even for mods, those conversations apparently take place via PM because reasoning is generally not announced. Why a Sigma Nu or Pi Kappa Alpha or Kappa Sig or whatever XYZ fraternity man should have a say in who is the Kappa Delta moderator is beyond me....

Like OTW said, some mods thing that the mod's corner shoud be OMG SO SECRETIVE like top secret government secrets are being revealed and ritual is being discussed. Those mods generally just don't want the peon members to know that they're talking crap on them behind the closed mods corners door.

Anyway, I don't see John getting to this any time soon because he just doesn't seem to care. Plus he's at least six months or so behind on PMs or even PMs that he swore he would respond to.

So, the long and short of it is, fellow KD's - don't hold your breath waiting for a mod. If you have a problem with a post- PM one of the supermods. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, PM me and I will pass the message along. Though I am no longer a mod (for never explained reasons- told ya, top secret stuff), I think Barb and James trust me enough and have enough respect for me that if I asked them to remove something, they would, no questions asked.

I started avoiding this thread when it looked like it was going to turn into a train wreck. (Thanks, OTW, for reporting the posts.) Now that the discussion is civil I'd like to put in my 2 cents.

I realize that there are super-mods to take care of things and I appreciate their work but that still doesn't mean that the KD forum doesn't need a moderator. I just checked and there are only 4 NPCs without a moderator: AXO, KD, SDT and TPA. Why? I don't know if the other three have requested a mod but we all saw how long the Sigma Kappas had to beg for a moderator before they got one. (Congratulations, btw.) It just doesn't seem fair or wise to leave certain groups "unprotected."

Dani took care of MANY catastophes in the KD forum. I'm certain there are more to come.

(Besides, who's gonna keep me in line now? I just might run amok. -- Yea, I heard that thought.)



ETA: Dani posted while I was typing. Thanks for the info. I thought it was your decision to no longer be a moderator. Hmm. Sorry to see you go.

Truer words were never spoken. You should also add that not all mods talk crap behind closed doors. Some religiously do, some don't. Then there are mods who never or rarely post in the public forums anymore, which stinks because one of the criteria (back in the day) of being a mod was being someone who frequently contributes to discussions throughout the site. Now they just stick to their own small circle in the MC. It'd be really unfair to paint all mods with the same brush.

NP. That stuff may fly in the General Forums, but that exchange really had no place here. I seriously doubt I was the only one doing the reporting.

Absolutely and I'm sorry if I seemed that I was. Some of my best GC friends are mods. Some of the people that I have the least respect for are mods. Interesting cross section.

Thanks for the kind words, LeslieAnne. I don't think i've ever betrayed my GC KD sisters in moderating this forum, but alas, that doesn't matter to John. I tried my best to take care of everything as quickly as possible. Oh well, what can you do???

The apparent contradiction from what you've posted (that the current mods have a LOT of influence on the decison) and what 33girl posted (that the mods have NO say) is why I think there should be more transparency about it. PMs are clearly going to happen anyway, but why not put it out there and get rid of the idea that being a mod and seeing mod-hood is as serious as AI and should only be offerred upon the most worthy contenders in all the land.

I think it's good to have a cross section of moderators, clearly not everyone is going to like the same people. We're all human. I think people who expect moderators to be godly are only asking for mods to have sockpuppets where they say what they really think.

FWIW kddani, I don't believe I ever had a problem with you as a moderator, and I too had thought you'd voluntarily quit. It sounds like that wasn't quite the case even if you can't elaborate and I think that's a shame.