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mlanderson 09-12-2024 02:47 PM

Do you ever think NPC will add new members?
 
There have been the same 26 organizations since 1951. There are quite a few social sororities/women's fraternities that could fit the bill and many of them are associate members of the local college panellenics.

Do you think NPC will ever add new member organizations? If so, which do you think are the most positioned to be granted admission?

I think:

Alpha Omega Epsilon
Kappa Beta Gamma
Phi Sigma Rho

33girl 09-12-2024 03:42 PM

To the contrary, I think NPC will lose members or splinter.

Right now the groups you mentioned don't have to follow NPC guidelines and while they may be members of college Panhellenics at some schools, that is not the case everywhere. PSR and AOE would likely have to drop their engineering focus (the same way that Alpha Chi Omega dropped their musical focus) and as far as KBG is concerned, well, there's some bad blood there.

I just don't see it happening.

Cookiez17 09-12-2024 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2508120)
To the contrary, I think NPC will lose members or splinter.

Right now the groups you mentioned don't have to follow NPC guidelines and while they may be members of college Panhellenics at some schools, that is not the case everywhere. PSR and AOE would likely have to drop their engineering focus (the same way that Alpha Chi Omega dropped their musical focus) and as far as KBG is concerned, well, there's some bad blood there.

I just don't see it happening.

Bad blood? Did they try to join previously and it didn’t work out.

I also have thought of Kappa Delta Phi NAS but I’m not sure how they work in terms of potentially joining.

PKT4LIFE 09-12-2024 07:15 PM

For those not familiar with the process (like myself), what requirements does an sorority need in order to be even considered eligible to join NPC? I know no limitations to membership and a NPC vote must occur.

Cheerio 09-12-2024 08:06 PM

I am somewhat in agreement with 33girl, due to posts and discussions GC has previously produced regarding the subject of NPC Expansion by adding new groups.

Not sure how many GC members are privy to NPC decision-making processes and voting factions, and whether those members are willing to discuss the subject in this forum.

*winter* 09-12-2024 08:55 PM

No.

People who join groups like AOE and even KBG are looking for a different type of experience. I doubt the groups with an academic focus would want to give that up- especially since it’s been essential to their identity since their founding.

Okay, maybe not an outright no, but not through this path.

AZ-AlphaXi 09-12-2024 11:58 PM

Per the NPC Manual of information the requirements for membership in NPC are

Requirements for Membership
A women's sorority must have been established in its inter/national character for at least 13 years. All of its collegiate chapters must be established in senior colleges and universities authorized to confer bachelor degrees and recognized by the appropriate regional association of colleges and universities. It must also have
at least 14 chapters that have been established for a minimum of two years

My personal take is that any group would be very wary of joining NPC due to the unanimous agreements that must be adhered to. Especially the ones concerning extension.

mlanderson 09-13-2024 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi (Post 2508143)
Per the NPC Manual of information the requirements for membership in NPC are

Requirements for Membership
A women's sorority must have been established in its inter/national character for at least 13 years. All of its collegiate chapters must be established in senior colleges and universities authorized to confer bachelor degrees and recognized by the appropriate regional association of colleges and universities. It must also have
at least 14 chapters that have been established for a minimum of two years

My personal take is that any group would be very wary of joining NPC due to the unanimous agreements that must be adhered to. Especially the ones concerning extension.

While I agree with this, I also think it would strengthen their membership on their campuses.

carnation 09-13-2024 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2508120)
To the contrary, I think NPC will lose members or splinter.

Good.

33girl 09-14-2024 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlanderson (Post 2508151)
While I agree with this, I also think it would strengthen their membership on their campuses.

Maybe 10-15 years ago. Things are much much different now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2508152)
Good.

Damn girl. Lol

navane 09-14-2024 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi (Post 2508143)
Per the NPC Manual of information the requirements for membership in NPC are

Requirements for Membership
A women's sorority must have been established in its inter/national character for at least 13 years. All of its collegiate chapters must be established in senior colleges and universities authorized to confer bachelor degrees and recognized by the appropriate regional association of colleges and universities. It must also have at least 14 chapters that have been established for a minimum of two years

Reference:

Alpha Omega Epsilon:

Inter/National Years - 30+ years
Number of Chapters (which qualify) - 45


Kappa Beta Gamma:

Inter/National Years - 50+ years
Number of Chapters (which qualify) - 15


Phi Sigma Rho:

Inter/National Years - 30+ years
Number of Chapters (which qualify) - appx 45

LaneSig 09-15-2024 11:16 AM

Questions:

#1- Could those three organizations become associate members?

#2- Does anyone know of any campus where KBG participates in recruitment?

carnation 09-15-2024 12:42 PM

We dropped our chapter at Wake Forest and many of the members became KBGs. I think they rush with NPC. I've been told that it's the members who did not like rules went KBG, so I don't know if they would welcome NPC rules.

naraht 09-15-2024 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlanderson (Post 2508119)
There have been the same 26 organizations since 1951. There are quite a few social sororities/women's fraternities that could fit the bill and many of them are associate members of the local college panellenics.

Do you think NPC will ever add new member organizations? If so, which do you think are the most positioned to be granted admission?

I think:

Alpha Omega Epsilon
Kappa Beta Gamma
Phi Sigma Rho

That is incorrect, the last change to membership in the NPC was in 1971 when Iota Alpha Pi dissolved itself.

naraht 09-15-2024 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2508120)
To the contrary, I think NPC will lose members or splinter.

Right now the groups you mentioned don't have to follow NPC guidelines and while they may be members of college Panhellenics at some schools, that is not the case everywhere. PSR and AOE would likely have to drop their engineering focus (the same way that Alpha Chi Omega dropped their musical focus) and as far as KBG is concerned, well, there's some bad blood there.

I just don't see it happening.

Right now, the question is what is more likely to splinter the NPC. 1) Differences in size between the largest and the smallest or 2) some attempt to force consistency on the issue of trans women. (I don't really see anything else jumping up in the near term.

FSUZeta 09-16-2024 03:16 PM

As it stands now, NPC and the collegiate panhellenics do not hold sway over any member sorority’s membership criteria or who they select for membership.

naraht 09-20-2024 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 2508214)
As it stands now, NPC and the collegiate panhellenics do not hold sway over any member sorority’s membership criteria or who they select for membership.

So (to pick a large sorority), Delta Delta Delta could go fully co-ed (allowing all undergraduate students) without putting its NPC membership in automatic jeopardy?

(I know the NIC has at least one member (don't remember which) that has some co-ed chapters) I don't know for other GLO umbrella groups.

33girl 09-23-2024 02:54 PM

They could go fully coed but if they did that, they most likely wouldn't participate in all of formal rush. Then again, to be blunt, men aren't usually trying to get into women's groups, it's the other way around.

The NIC and NPC are so different in what they do as umbrellas there really isn't a comparison. Also the reason some fraternities went coed (by chapter or in toto) was because the majority of the schools they were at went from all male to coed.

Oh and in answer to Lane's question I think that the campuses KBG does do formal rush at are the less traditional ones with smaller systems.

chitownxo 09-23-2024 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 2508187)
Questions:

#1- Could those three organizations become associate members?

#2- Does anyone know of any campus where KBG participates in recruitment?


KBG participates in recruitment at Wake Forest.

*winter* 09-23-2024 04:00 PM

So, theoretically, NPC wouldn’t be able to tell the STEM organizations not to only select STEM members…but I couldn’t imagine them meeting quota with only STEM at larger schools. I guess that’s what I was getting at.

(Although I’m quite impressed with- in terms of non-NPC organizations- how large some of the chapters are at many campuses! They’re doing really well in their own right. For example, I know someone whose daughter is considering Syracuse for a STEM major. The AOE chapter gets PCs between 20-30, whereas NPC total is 215…I am pretty sure their quota is much higher than, say, 25, but I don’t have time to find actual numbers RN.)

Cheerio 09-25-2024 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2508194)
Right now, the question is what is more likely to splinter the NPC. 1) Differences in size between the largest and the smallest or 2) some attempt to force consistency on the issue of trans women. (I don't really see anything else jumping up in the near term.


Differences in size is more likely to splinter NPC.

The eight sororities that became full NPC members in 1951 were smaller in chapter number and initiate number, on and since that date, than the other established NPC groups.

I wish I understood what those eight smaller sororities looked forward to by joining forces with the larger groups, and how those desires were and were not fulfilled through the years.

When I look at Indiana University's most recent NPC expansions, the need for additional groups was there but having all the new groups meet quota and/or have permanent housing has been a struggle.

naraht 09-25-2024 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheerio (Post 2508463)
Differences in size is more likely to splinter NPC.

The eight sororities that became full NPC members in 1951 were smaller in chapter number and initiate number, on and since that date, than the other established NPC groups.

I wish I understood what those eight smaller sororities looked forward to by joining forces with the larger groups, and how those desires were and were not fulfilled through the years.

When I look at Indiana University's most recent NPC expansions, the need for additional groups was there but having all the new groups meet quota and/or have permanent housing has been a struggle.

Is it a significant gap? I picked a prior to 1951 NPC sorority that I wasn't familiar with and a 1951 NPC full sorority I sort of was and at least looking at wikipedia, the gap doesn't look huge.

According to Wikipedia.
Sigma Kappa - (Founded 1874 - joined NPC in 1905) - 119 undergraduate chapters 226K lifetime members.
Delta Phi Epsilon - (Founded 1913 - Joined NPC in 1951) - 150+ chapters, 115 active chapters, 60K Lifetime members.

Now I know Wikipedia may be reporting different things (and I'd love an NPC report I could work from to be sure the comparison is apples to apples).


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