Woman denounces the practice of "Hogging" at fraternities
 

Article continues here: https://news.yahoo.com/people-tiktok...ycsrp_catchall

I heard about this 50 years ago but it also included parties at dormitories. No idea if it was true.


ETA: back then, they were called Pig in a Poke parties. Would the men in my coed dorm that had numerous social activities have done that? Likely.

Well now it includes parties at fraternities... and has for some time. Yes, this happens in some chapters of our organizations.

Why can't we all look at ourselves and realize that we can be part of the problem? But we can also be part of the solution. Let's stop pointing fingers and recognize that we have the organizational power to influence our members and help them make better choices that don't humiliate and degrade others?

Since I doubt that my org has ever had a Pig in a Poke party, I step back from any collective guilt here and leave that to any organization that may have participated.

This “article” looks more like a PR piece for this Tik Tok person than evidence of a widespread issue. They mentioned one chapter of one fraternity. No, this is nothing new. On the other side of the coin…there was a WKRP episode where Mr Carlson found out that his wife asked him to her sorority pledge party because he was on the “dip list.” I’m sure that also happened and still happens in real life.


But that’s not what this article is. This is yet another tired Greeks Are Bad piece because those get the clicks.

When I was enrolled in college, I had the time one day to read a magazine article regarding how collegiate youth were mispending their days by illegally drinking, dancing provocatively, cutting their hair in abominable styles, and generally thumbing their collective noses at authority figures like Mom, Pop, and their professors.

Truth be told, the article was from 1927 and I was reading it in the 1980s. But the gist of the 1927 article's words described a general 'problem' with collegians that was not and still is not new.

Human nature is what it is. Twenty years from now, a girl being born today may discover "hogging" and find it so reprehensible as to post her discovery on Meta. Then someone still alive from within The Carnation Nation can again post that it's basically existed forever and a day.

You won't hear me arguing that this article is journalism at its finest, but it just feels like there's a lot of whataboutism all over this site recently and a want to deny that there are any issues within the Greek system.

I don't deny that stuff like this exists in the Greek system (although I do doubt that Pi Phis have "hogged"). On the other hand, some of these anti-Greek writers choose to ignore problems that are in dorms, marching bands, honoraries, and ROTC units. Some of these problems are VERY bad in the groups I just mentioned.

Do they think that binge drinking and date rape would disappear if the Greek system did? Ridiculous. But writing about those problems in non-Greek groups wouldn't get as many readers...

Thank you for posting the article, navane. It is a reminder we ought to warn our daughters to beware this type of event, and call on our sons to never engage in it.

I haven't seen anyone denying that the Greek system is imperfect, just that it is an unfortunate occurrence among this age group, not exclusive to Greeks. Your recent and frequent posts might mislead people coming here to learn about Greek life, to believe that folks who participate in Greek life all have pointy ears, pitchforks, and roast small children for lunch.

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You mean my posts that are news articles about things that are actually happening in Greek life? Why do we have a hazing and risk management board if we don't want things related to those topics posted?

I post articles that are suggested to me by Google based on things I typically read. Greek life topics come up frequently. I post on both the good and the bad.

And navane started this thread in particular. I just find it curious that when these things have come up recently, many are quick to gloss over them and dismiss them. And not just on the topic of this thread.

But hey, I'll only post the good stuff going forward if that's what this site demands. Although recently, there really isn't that much going on here besides adding to the Highest Point Count Ever Thread and playing the Song Name Game. ::shrugs::

We do recognize that some Greeks need to cut the crap, to put it mildly. It's just that some of those articles are either poorly written clickbait or they don't admit that said problems, such as binge drinking and campus rape, are horrible not only in Greek life but across the whole spectrum of college students.

What are nonmembers of ABC fraternity supposed to do when a member(s) of their Kappa Beta chapter hazes some of their pledges? I trust the alumni leadership of ABC to handle it, just as I trust the leadership of my own org and your org to do the same if members step out of line, so I question why you repeatedly post such things.

Don’t blame Google. Google suggests these articles because you search that subject. Google doesn’t make you post them here numerous times a day-that’s your choice.

As far as GC members dismissing or not engaging with subjects you deem worthy of discussion, perhaps folks aren’t interested. Perhaps they are officers or advisors to their own org and they concentrate on keeping their own houses in order. Perhaps it is because GCers, like many in America, feel tired and overwhelmed with the ever evolving COVID info and protocols, rising prices, bickering in Congress, just life in general, and don’t want to come here and see multiple negative posts about the stupid/mean acts a small percentage of Greeks commit, when they can’t do anything about it.

Any “article” that starts out as this one did can in no way be called journalism, news or even a human interest story. There’s not even an author’s name attached to it, which I’m not surprised by because I don’t know anyone who would willingly attach their name to this PR piece/garbage.

Sharing things that are legitimate and well written is one thing, sharing garbage is another. Just throwing anything regarding Greek life up here without critically assessing it helps no one.

TBH before I proofread my post above I had erroneously expressed my thanks to you, ASTalumna06, on the mere assumption the OP had been yours and after having previously read your multiple posts regarding sad greek life subjects.

I didn't "blame" Google. It suggests articles including the words "fraternity" and "sorority" and "Greek" etc. That's what I post. I don't go out seeking risk management and hazing issues on the regular. Again, I'll refrain from sharing if it's going to make everyone upset and no one cares to engage.

I didn't share this piece.

OK? Then sure, you should have expressed your thanks to navane for this.

I'm with ASTalumna06 on this "issue". I agree with the assessment that there's been a plethora of "whataboutism" responses with a dearth of solutions offered. Attacking the messenger isn't helpful. Neither is saying "other students do it." It's OUR ox being gored, people. Deal with it.

If you wish to see other news in the GreekChat forum, then by all means go ahead and share. I'd like to see coverage of the newest ZTA chapter establishment. That's exciting!

Frankly, IMO, there's also some rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic looming on the horizon. I've done extensive reading and researching prior to posting my reply here. I started by reviewing the "desk blotter" blurbs on the UAZ Daily Wildcat posted online. I also skimmed a few other campus newspapers across the USA because I have way too much time and I like to research. It's being reported elsewhere; it's definitely endemic, the Greek Life behavior; and it gets coverage from the media since it is so obvious and in-your-face.

So what proposal(s) do alumni have to redirect the negative press? As well as to address the behaviors? IF we truly believe that we are held to a higher standard, then let's do the hard work. I have first-hand experience in this arena, having advised a chapter that engaged in risky behavior for years. It was exhausting exposing the situations and restructuring. It took a serious toll on my mental and physical health. I no longer want to be involved on any level. I do not regret what I did in order to keep the chapter from closing, ugly as it was. However, I have no respect for some of my "sisters" including those from HQ who sat on the sidelines for years and let the chapter get into such dire straits and then attacked me. *mic drop*

Good grief, y'all.

I posted this article, if it can even be called that, because I felt it was very poorly done. The very first line is "I've always disliked fraternities, for obvious reasons." Oh right....the reasons that are so obvious that the author didn't bother to state them.

Let me be clear - I do NOT condone the alleged behavior of "hogging". That's horrible. Period.

The article seems to describe instances where women willingly went upstairs to engage in consensual sex and later felt humiliated when they found out their partner wasn't actually interested in them. Awful? Yes. Does that rise to the level of "sexual violence" as indicated by the article? No. Is this behavior limited to fraternities? No. Have men of all walks been employing wingman behavior for eons? Yes.

This is another example of Greeks being easy targets for hit pieces just because.