FL Gov. DeSantis signs law punishing student 'indoctrination' at public universities
 

https://www.businessinsider.com/desa...rsities-2021-6

What could go wrong?! :rolleyes:

Anyone here going to school in Florida or know anyone who is? I'd be very interested to know what questions are included in this survey.

Governor DeSantis, there have always been two sides to every coin.

I swear….I lived through the ‘60s and saw a myriad of GOOD PEOPLE beaten, jailed, shot dead. We marched and demonstrated against the war, voting discrimination, segregation and more.
I NEVER imagined in my lifetime I would live to see anything like what has unfolded in the last 4+ years.

And now—THIS. I’d love to think the current generation has the will and strength to beat back this kind of “mind control” but—I honestly don’t know. Some days I’m hopeful; other days I’m truly in despair.

Anybody else feel even remotely this way…?

He went to Yale, surprisingly, not a very long time ago. Does he think that somehow he magically eluded this indoctrination?

He doesn't believe any of this. It's just about staying in power at any cost.

You can tell he doesn't believe any of it, because he talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Do any of you live in Florida?

It's not only about the questions being asked but whether answers to those questions will then be misused, against schools whom politicians have some type of intellectual grudge.

Unnecessary fear, loathing and worry about 'indoctrinations' which do not exist can easily be promoted to some constituants by political powers in situations like this.

Universities not only require persons to present and explain their different points of view, but to defend them. It's part of the intellectual process to do so. A politician labeling mind-broadening discussions and inquiries as indoctrinations is misguiding constituents and mislabeling what education is and does.

Maybe all 'liberals' currently employed and educated at these Florida schools need to omit answering these surveys, thereby skewing the answers toward the conservative side and leaving Florida politicians happier at the survey results.

We had a similar bill passed in Oklahoma.

Hence my sarcastic question: What could go wrong? ;)

I wonder if part of what they're aiming for is determining which schools are more conservative so as to focus on those areas during elections - sending people to push voter registrations, placing additional manned ballot drop boxes on and near those campuses, etc.

Also, I just came across this statement to the Kentucky interim Joint Committee on Education by Commissioner Jason E. Glass.

https://www.kentuckyteacher.org/news...9_2zlhhcviTfis

Not only did he say why Kentucky should not move forward with laws similar to those currently being passed in other states (to ban CRT), but he briefly explained the potential repercussions, stood up for the educators in his state, and provided a solution and compromise.

Bravo!

Thank you very much for linking/posting this information. Worthy and important reading!

I miss the days of professors not trying to tell me how to think and let me figure out things on my own. Now, neutral, moderate, or slightly conservative opinions are not allowed. My bro in law did get punished when at uni for a paper he wrote that the professor didn't like due to point of view. He took it to the department and won.

My youngest sons have had to deal with the professors not liking their opinions. Apparently. one professor downgraded several students' papers for this and there was a protest to the dean. The professor lost.

This.

Yes

Bad on the prof for punishing disagreeing viewpoints, but profs should be allowed to challenge opinions and make students think through their positions on things.

I think the much bigger issue is that people are much less accepting of other opinions, much less willing to listen, learn, grow and accept. I work at a very liberal urban institution of higher education. I won't lie, the faculty isn't as tolerant as they like to think - and that stems beyond our local and national politics, it's become an issue with our international students as well.

IMO, people create echo chambers for themselves. Then when they encounter differing opinions it's a shock to the system and must be "wrong."

But this idea of "surveying" is horseshit. So many issues with it. And I don't like that we're becoming this "monitor and tell on!" society at the expense of privacy, intellectual freedom, etc. Let's call a spade a spade. Whether it's a tip website, a survey, or whatever, it's a form of social surveillance, whether we are comfortable with the idea that it exists in America or not.