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NinjaPoodle 09-09-2020 02:51 PM

West Coast under a layer of smoke
 
So, most of you know Im in San Francisco. You all know how bad statewide/ coastwide the wildfires are right now.
I woke up around 7am PST and there was a redish-lightly orange hue light coming into my window. It's 11:49am as I type this. It's practically dark outside.

I'll post links as I find them when I get back from shooting. Also, my insta is FILLED with pics of the sky from all up and down the state.

If you come across updated/current links, please share them.

NinjaPoodle 09-09-2020 03:09 PM

From NASA, images of California statewide and Oregon fires
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/f...ain/index.html

Sciencewoman 09-09-2020 03:52 PM

Wow.

Iota_JWH 09-09-2020 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaPoodle (Post 2479230)
So, most of you know Im in San Francisco. You all know how bad statewide/ coastwide the wildfires are right now.
I woke up around 7am PST and there was a redish-lightly orange hue light coming into my window. It's 11:49am as I type this. It's practically dark outside.

I'll post links as I find them when I get back from shooting. Also, my insta is FILLED with pics of the sky from all up and down the state.

If you come across updated/current links, please share them.

Yeah, if 2020 hasn't been weird enough, today definately seems like we are in the middle of a science fiction movie. very creepy ochre skies.

PKT4LIFE 09-09-2020 08:16 PM

I woke up at 9 am and I thought it was 5 am here in SF, my bedroom was pitch black. I ventured down the hill to get my morning java. Dark orange sky, street lights on, car lights on, homes and businesses lit. So this is what it is like to live on Mars.

NinjaPoodle 09-10-2020 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PKT4LIFE (Post 2479259)
I woke up at 9 am and I thought it was 5 am here in SF, my bedroom was pitch black. I ventured down the hill to get my morning java. Dark orange sky, street lights on, car lights on, homes and businesses lit. So this is what it is like to live on Mars.

Yeah, dark all day. I was thinking about Mars and Alaska. I also thought about how it look like a crazy movie set.

You know what was weird, the birds didn’t chirped as much in the morning but sort of throughout the day. Very similar to what happens during an eclipse.

TLLK 09-10-2020 09:18 AM

I'm in the Los Angeles area and I was under the impression that our air quality was poor until I saw the photos from the Bay Area.

NinjaPoodle 09-10-2020 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2479272)
I'm in the Los Angeles area and I was under the impression that our air quality was poor until I saw the photos from the Bay Area.

It’s a little better today, we can see the sun but it’s still bad.

ETA:
Today is ash Thursday.

NinjaPoodle 09-10-2020 07:37 PM

Smoke cyclone
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kro...ite-image/amp/

Cookiez17 09-10-2020 07:59 PM

The photos I've seen from Oregon and California are crazy. Hope our west coast friends pull out of this okay.

AZTheta 09-10-2020 09:12 PM

It's personal to me. I have several friends who are now homeless in Oregon and California. Been contributing to GoFundMe accounts, and packing quilts to donate to them. It's heartbreaking. Everything burned to the ground, nothing but ashes. Strangely enough, the white picket fence in front of one friend's home didn't burn. Incongruous. Painful to look at the photos.

It's an inferno. My brother has evacuated a second time. Pretty sure the family cabin (built back in the 1920s) will burn. I keep thinking of Cadet BoneSpurs chastising California, saying they need to "sweep the forest floors." Crickets from the Orange Idiot and his ilk, of course.

Feeling more and more like this is the end of days.

PKT4LIFE 09-10-2020 09:26 PM

The air quality in my area is now 300+ (I live in twin peaks). It's worse today than yesterday.

For air quality updates world wide, check out the site "Purple Air" and use the (+) sign to zoom in an area. You can find the current air quality in your local neighborhood.

AGDee 09-12-2020 11:55 AM

Truly feeling for all of you. I can't imagine.

Sister Havana 09-12-2020 06:30 PM

My sister lives in Seattle, and she posted a couple pictures on Facebook. It looks apocalyptic. I can’t even imagine.

NinjaPoodle 09-13-2020 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PKT4LIFE (Post 2479307)
The air quality in my area is now 300+ (I live in twin peaks). It's worse today than yesterday.

For air quality updates world wide, check out the site "Purple Air" and use the (+) sign to zoom in an area. You can find the current air quality in your local neighborhood.

I'm out in Crocker_Amazon/Outer Excelsior. It's 180 in my area.

navane 09-13-2020 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2479305)
Everything burned to the ground, nothing but ashes. Strangely enough, the white picket fence in front of one friend's home didn't burn. Incongruous. Painful to look at the photos.

I'm a professional firefighter and I attend to these wildfires every season. I have to tell you, there is seemingly no rhyme or reason how some things get burnt and some don't. Sure, people who have cleared defensible space around their homes greatly increase their chances of keeping their properties. Some building construction types also fare better than others (eg. stucco siding and tile roofs vs shake shingle roof). Though, beyond those factors, the fire just does what it does.


I hope these photos won't be upsetting to you. :( Here's an example of what I mean -- I took these pictures at the Carr Fire in Redding, CA in 2018. The fire tore through a neighborhood and burned down a bunch of homes. This home actually made the news and the homeowner gave on-camera interviews; so, I don't think he would mind me sharing the pictures. We were patrolling the burned out neighborhood and looking for any hot spots to put out. This man's house was destroyed, as was his neighbor's; but, look at this red patio awing. And that's a cloth cover, mind you. It wasn't burned! We were amazed and thought, "Where did he buy it?!" Like, whole house is down except the patio cover and cushions?! FYI, that white thing in the background that looks like a telephone booth is their shower stall. The fire took out a tile bathroom; but, not a red awing a few feet away. :confused:



https://i.ibb.co/6RfXp7s/IMG-5645.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/zZLt4z4/IMG-5646.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/hRprMJx/IMG-5639.jpg

thetalady 09-13-2020 05:01 PM

and all the more horrific to know that people are intentionally setting these fires and destroying thousands of acres, wildlife and people's lives. Gavin Newsome wants to blame climate change.

Four Arrested for Starting Wildfires

NinjaPoodle 09-14-2020 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navane (Post 2479409)
I'm a professional firefighter and I attend to these wildfires every season. I have to tell you, there is seemingly no rhyme or reason how some things get burnt and some don't. Sure, people who have cleared defensible space around their homes greatly increase their chances of keeping their properties. Some building construction types also fare better than others (eg. stucco siding and tile roofs vs shake shingle roof). Though, beyond those factors, the fire just does what it does.


I hope these photos won't be upsetting to you. :( Here's an example of what I mean -- I took these pictures at the Carr Fire in Redding, CA in 2018. The fire tore through a neighborhood and burned down a bunch of homes. This home actually made the news and the homeowner gave on-camera interviews; so, I don't think he would mind me sharing the pictures. We were patrolling the burned out neighborhood and looking for any hot spots to put out. This man's house was destroyed, as was his neighbor's; but, look at this red patio awing. And that's a cloth cover, mind you. It wasn't burned! We were amazed and thought, "Where did he buy it?!" Like, whole house is down except the patio cover and cushions?! FYI, that white thing in the background that looks like a telephone booth is their shower stall. The fire took out a tile bathroom; but, not a red awing a few feet away. :confused:



https://i.ibb.co/6RfXp7s/IMG-5645.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/zZLt4z4/IMG-5646.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/hRprMJx/IMG-5639.jpg

Thank you for sharing the images, thank you for your service and please stay safe.

AnchorAlum 09-14-2020 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2479414)
and all the more horrific to know that people are intentionally setting these fires and destroying thousands of acres, wildlife and people's lives. Gavin Newsome wants to blame climate change.

Four Arrested for Starting Wildfires

Thank you for your post. FTR it is horrific and I hope those arrested will receive heavy prison sentences.
If I could wave a magic wand, I'd send Cali some of the excess rainfall we're getting every day here in Florida.

Kevin 09-30-2020 10:10 PM

Navane, maybe you can help some of us (me) sort through the bullshit in the media. Are these fires caused by poor forest management, warmer climate, or what? What's the story there?

Are these things normal or is this worse than normal?

Iota_JWH 10-01-2020 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2480037)
Navane, maybe you can help some of us (me) sort through the bullshit in the media. Are these fires caused by poor forest management, warmer climate, or what? What's the story there?

Are these things normal or is this worse than normal?

I have lived in SF area for most of the last 30 years. The fires start from a variety of sources, most of the ones from August were started by lightning, one was from some yahoo using explosives for a gender reveal party. Many get started by carelessness. The big issue is how FAST they spread. They spread with alarming speed due to how dry all the trees are. CA has two seasons, the rainy season is usually from Nov thru March. Some years that gets extended into early June. Many years the rain stops in January. So by October things are pretty dry. Also, the winds shift to come from the east, so the humidity drops and the winds fan the flames.

Yes, things have gotten worse. the records show warmer temps, and less rain. THIS IS CLIMATE CHANGE. Forest Management has zip to do with it. I would suggest looking at some SCIENTIFIC sources, like SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN.

navane 10-03-2020 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2480037)
Navane, maybe you can help some of us (me) sort through the bullshit in the media. Are these fires caused by poor forest management, warmer climate, or what? What's the story there?

Are these things normal or is this worse than normal?


Hi Kevin,

The fires can be "caused" by many things (arson, lightening, car accident, etc). The question is, what seems to be making them so huge and difficult to control?

The answer is all of the above.

-- The climate appears to be getting warmer. Sure.

-- Forest management is an issue. We're not logging like we used to due to environmental restrictions. We're not doing prescribed (preventative) burns like we used to due to environmental restrictions. We're not managing the forest like we used to due to environmental restrictions. Forest management absolutely would be beneficial.

-- Another issue are weather patterns. In recent years here out west, I've noticed that we've been hit with massive rains in the winter and spring. People rejoice thinking that we're going to have lush, green forest for the summer. What happens instead is allllllll of that water causes big vegetation growth, which promptly dries out and catches fire.

-- Other factors contribute, such as bark beetles. Bark beetles infest trees and kill them. For example, I went to the Cedar Fire in Kern County, CA in 2016. The whole area was rife with bark beetles. Many trees were brown and dead, which didn't help matters.

-- Wildland Urban Interface. In California, we've run out of space for people to live in town and so the cities keep sprawling outward into more rural areas. These neighborhoods interface with wildland areas and that poses a fire risk for homes and businesses. In a way, the loss of structures makes some fires seem worse.

It's not just one thing - it's a number of things combined.

TLLK 10-04-2020 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navane (Post 2480308)
Hi Kevin,

The fires can be "caused" by many things (arson, lightening, car accident, etc). The question is, what seems to be making them so huge and difficult to control?

The answer is all of the above.

-- The climate appears to be getting warmer. Sure.

-- Forest management is an issue. We're not logging like we used to due to environmental restrictions. We're not doing prescribed (preventative) burns like we used to due to environmental restrictions. We're not managing the forest like we used to due to environmental restrictions. Forest management absolutely would be beneficial.

-- Another issue are weather patterns. In recent years here out west, I've noticed that we've been hit with massive rains in the winter and spring. People rejoice thinking that we're going to have lush, green forest for the summer. What happens instead is allllllll of that water causes big vegetation growth, which promptly dries out and catches fire.

-- Other factors contribute, such as bark beetles. Bark beetles infest trees and kill them. For example, I went to the Cedar Fire in Kern County, CA in 2016. The whole area was rife with bark beetles. Many trees were brown and dead, which didn't help matters.

-- Wildland Urban Interface. In California, we've run out of space for people to live in town and so the cities keep sprawling outward into more rural areas. These neighborhoods interface with wildland areas and that poses a fire risk for homes and businesses. In a way, the loss of structures makes some fires seem worse.

It's not just one thing - it's a number of things combined.


navane-Thank you for sharing your perspective based upon your years of experience in regards to the issue of the ongoing CA wildfires.


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