Illegal Street Racing
 

Ok, I'm pissed and I'm going to vent, so TS.

Last night there was another innocent death last night in San Diego due to illegal street racing. For those of you who don't know or haven't seen the MTV show on it, San Diego is like the capitol of illegal street racing. Every night, a bunch of kids our age gather around on a street and race these suped up cars that look like Batmobiles for a large sum of money. Often times there are crashes, and often times people die. Sometimes, like last night, an innocent motorist gets struck and killed by a racer who didn't see the car up ahead.

There have been 15 deaths in San Diego alone this year due to this crap. Now, I know I shouldn't be knocking people for something they love to do, but not only is this completely unproductive, it's completely dangerous.

My friend Rebecca, a 4.0 student and star soccer player was killed in a race this summer.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about deathes due to these things. So do me a favor, either go to Quallcomm Stadium and do it legally where it's safe and yes, it can be fun, or just stop wasting your hard earned money on something that will basically get you no where in life....or end someone else's.

Sorry if I offended anyone, I just wish this crap would stop.

I agree.. I work in a strip-mall next to one of these Honda chop shop things that builds these cars... Punks go through our parking lot around 60-80 MPH. I'm surprised no one's been killed.

This is one of those things where the government and police should step in.... The cars should be deemed NOT street legal. Any time they are found on a normal street all the modification parts should be confiscated. It's also hard to believe that entepreneurs have not yet built tons of tracks to drive these things on.

Why does everyone want to be Vin Diesel?

Most of the time when Five-O does break up the races, they do search all the cars and either fine the driver or confiscate the illegal parts.

This is exactly why I hated the Fast and The Furious. Now EVERYONE wants to imitate this stuff.

There have been about 5 deaths in San Antonio because of it. Its rediculious. Throw the book at the fools. Threre is a big trial going on right now here. The law needs to be changed to make it a felony on subsequent offenses.

See:

http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.c...832857&xld=180

My ex-fiancee would do a little street racing on the fricken interstate! How stupid is that! All of the sudden we'd be racing a porche and going 150+ mph! I didn't appreciate the fact that if we got into a car accident at that speed we would have both died. Not to mention the fact that he never wore his seat belt!
DUH!:mad:

My best friend's fiancee however does a little bit of racing...but they go to a track for it. Every once in a while they'll do something on the street, but not a lot. There aren't too many drags around here where you can do this sort of thing and have no one around watching.

Hootie

I'm glad to hear he's your ex lol j/k

If it's legally, I'm cool with that because they go to extra lengths to ensure safety, but not in the street where someone could get killed.

I think there was a story this year where a kid was doing the street racing, hit a car, and in a sickening twist of fate, his mother was in the car that he hit (she was killed). :(

yep the movie Fast and the furious causes everyone that has a performance car to race

just like silence of the lambs if it wasnt for that movie i wouldnt be killing people and eating them, id be just a normal person like you guys :rolleyes:

yea the verdict comes out today in the case involving a 19 year old crashing into a truck at 60 mph on one of the streets and freaking DOWNTOWN!! I hope he gets the maximum amount. I cant STAND those racers. Its so .... ugh!!

Someone here joined GC out of spite lol

It’s a dam shame when innocent people die but I seriously doubt everyone on here abides by the speed limit.

odd..... i feel the same way about frats and soroities.


you guys seriously have no clue what happens. Street racing is older than many of you and even older than your parents.

the same amount of people that have/will die to "street racing" accidents was roughly the same as last year, the year before, and before etc.


the same people that call street racers irresponsible are the same people that speed. yeah, you are still in the wrong and there is no difference between racing another car and racing against time.

grow up guys, you are college people, dont compare life to a movie.

this stems back a few years to school shootings -- do violent video games create violent kids. hell no. i played mortal kombat and i really cant remember ripping someones spine out... ive never shot anyone with a shotgun (or any gun for that matter) because i played doom.

and if you wanna talk about irresponsibility, lets talk about college parties, drinking drugs, etc.


dont point fingers if you cant take the pointing

well said chris..

well as you can all tel lfrom my signature, i have come over from a car-related board. i am not over here to be an ass to you all, i am simply showing my presence to educate those of you who may not completely understand the world of performance automobiles.

let me start off by saying chris (hovocx) is right. i am a student at UVA, i have many friends who have atteneded and ettend college.. i have to say i have seen many mroe people mess themselves up from drinking and drugs and frat/sorority kindof stuff than i have seen from streetracing.. and about 99% of my friends are car enthusiasts.. yes w erace. at a track? yes. on the street? yes, but no to crazy extents. is there streetracing in my area? yes. do i consider it a problem? no.

when i am on the road, i will sometimes play iwht people, but not in a dangerous way.. someone pulls up besides me and wants to go , i punch it for a second to show them what's up.. and that is the extent of my streetracing. i never go more than 5mph over the speed limit. my friends don't either. when we want to have a real race we go to the track. not all car enthusiasts are vin deisel wannabes, and the streetracing scene is no different now than it was 2 years ago. the people you see on the news dying from "streetracing" are jsut idiot speeders. that is all they are. organized streetracing has been around since the first car. well almost that long anyway. the only thing different is the way the 11:00 news shows it to us. i see races on a regualr basis, and have for over a year. regular basis meaning several nights a week. i have yet to see a single wreck occur.. this is becuas it is done in a controlled environment where there is no chance of other traffic r anything being involved. i agree there is no substitute for the track when it comes to safety, but if they truly want us there, there are lots of things they could do to get us there as opposed to the streets. they could build more, and be open later, etc.. i love my cars. i love working on them. i love driving them. they are my hobby. some of you say my parts should be confiscated. ok then, i'd like to see you run off with my exhaust. 16 feet of pipe is hard to carry. i'm sure all cops carry engine puller's in their glove compartment too, right? because they'll need to take that too, HKS lemans team uses that engine, don't want a race engine in here! bottom of the line, you try to take my parts, the only thing you'll get is a tire-iron embedded in your head for stupidity. my car puts down maybe 300 horsepower, and is HIGHLY modified. it still isn't as fast as a viepr or a porsche. does that mean we need to take all those off the road too? think before you speak people.

these accidents are not caused my modified cars or streetracers. they are caused by PURE STUPIDITY. only an idiot goes over 100mph on a public road, or weaves in and out of traffic, or cuts people off. my car is highly modifieed and drive very carefully and responsibly. i do not speed excessively, i do not weave in and out of traffic, i do not do burnouts at stoplights, i do not fly through intersections, or run relights, I OBEY ALL TRAFFIC LAWS. you want to stop tragic car crashes? you getthe soccermom off the road that changes lanes without a turn signal and almost runs me off the road. you get teh guy who won't let me merge off the road. you getthe guy who tailgates me off the road. you getthe guy who likes to cut people off and slams his brakes off the road. you get the people who think they can get a whole day's office work done on the way there off the road. you put your g*ddam* phone somewhere other then next to yuor head while driving. you look beofre pulling out.

class dissmissed. go home and study before event thinking of responding, you WILL lose any arguement without the proper homework.

Don't like fraternities and sororities? Okay. So stay away.

Funny how there's an influx of rice rocket boys on Greekchat tonight.

That's all...drive through now.

ignore the facts! taht's right! best way to learn! damn i wish i thoughta that!

my brother joined a frat and it messed him up more than my car messes me up (none). frats and sororities encourage underage drinking and drugs. this is much more dangerous than modifying a car. however if you want to argue about this make it a different topic. i'm not here to argue about that, i'm here to educate the misinformed of the REAL world of car enthusiasts. the Fast and the Furious was not reality. if hollywood was reality, then i'm sure all you frat guys bang 14year olds liek john belushi did, right? yeah. i thought so.

to each his own.. but be mature about it..

like i said think before responding. i personally plan on loitering here fore a while to make sure this gets understood. if you are too immature to participate in the conversation then do the rest of us a favor and stay out. this is a serious topic that needs to be understood by all. hopefully there are engouh of you out there mature enough to finish the conversation..

i really tried to be as respectful as i could with my response. hopefully the rest of the people of your communnity are more mature than their moderator. the way it is right now, even the riceboys we both make fun of would have too much fun with you guy's comments.

my point is, have a real conversation. othwerwise, i'm gonna eat this post for lunch.

I bet you guys are in a fraternity and probably regulars just trying to cause trouble. Why else would some body that is not in a fraternity happen to see this site talking about those ugly Honda street racers randomly. I really doubt you supposenly just watched the sight being a non greek waiting for the one day that somebody post about illegal stret racing. Street racing is ilegal for a reason and if I saw anyone do it I would cll the police in a second. Maybe its time to do an ip match up and see where you two that registered about the same time at.

you make me laugh. i am in no way associated with a frat and i do not wish to be. a friend of mine's ex told me friend who in turn told several of his friends (the numerous car enthusiasts you see who have responded). as for an "ip match up" lol i won't even tuoch that joke. i am cisco certified and i wil tell you right now you're not going ot find anything from that unless you are government. if you must know i am at UVA as a mechanical engineering major w/ a minor in biomed (as premed).

however staying on the topic i hope to god you would at least STOP to call the police. if you make that call while driving down the road, you are being more reckless than the "racers". at least they're probaly watching the road and paying attention...

please give a mature response or expect it to be torn apart and laughed hysterrically at.. it's not that much to ask. the purpose of use coming here was to help the misinformed. right now you guys sound funnier than the news. if you wanto complain about something you at least need to know SOMETHING about what you are complaining about.

as for "if i saw anyone do it", you won't ever see a real streetrace unless you are involved in it in some way. you may see people being idiots on the raod, but that doesn't mean they are "streetracing". you all seem to be confusing two completely and unrelated things.

Oh I am so wrong your cars are so cool let me worship you.:rolleyes: What a dork having to come to a site for greeks to defend your stupid cars that none of us really car about and are not impressed about.


And who say I have to be driving to see a street race. Even if I was driving I could pull over and call so that argument is out the window.

Sorry guys-this is my bad. I showed my ex this post to get his reaction to it. He in turn posted on the site he goes too. Again sorry. We have frequent discussions about street racing and cars. I'm not into it, but he is, but thats cool for him. Anyway, let me try to put across my and probably some others opinions on this topic. Oh and I have read machv (the board they are from), so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.

We think that everybody that mods their cars are bad because they will street race, etc. And as HighPsi Tsi Guy said all frats and sororitys encourage underage drinking and drugs. Both are false...why? Because neither side has all the info. We get all our information from the news and maybe from what one person has gone through. Please dont believe every drunken frat story is common throughout the entire greek community and please don't believe that just because someone mods their car they will street race and act irresponsibly.

Now for my opinion on street racing and modifications. Alright-I may bitch to "MrKite50" about cars and other mods he does to his car, but ultimately its his thing, just like the Alpha Xi Delta is my thing. I have no right to make him stop, especially since we aren't together anymore which is another story entirely. But as for the idiots that do severe street racing (not talking about "punching it for a second"), if it is done on a public road where other traffic is being held, then it is irresponsible and just plain selfish. Sorry, there is no responsible street racing (that was pointed out on machv). But again, my opinion.

Now I am sorry that my ex had to get everybody all riled up. Let's all go back to our respective boards and enjoy our pastimes. We don't need arguements on our board and I'm sure your mods don't want it either. Oh and just to point out something-we are not kids. There are many older and wiser greeks on here too, so again, don't make some equal all. Ok, geez that was long. PM me if you need to speak with me furthur, otherwise-peace out :)

Okay, I know that MuAZD cleared this up for us, and I do not want to fight. I just want to make a general comment -- drinking and drugs are not "frat/sorority kind of stuff," they are "college kid kind of stuff." I get so mad when people talk about alcohol, drugs and rape being problems with fraternity boys... girls can just as easily get GHBed or raped at a random house party, those just don't end up in the news.

Okay, sorry... just a pet peeve of mine.

thank you you seem to be the only mature person on here. you seem to somewhat have a grasp of what is going on much better than the rest of you. i'm sure there are frats and sororities that don't fin in my stereotype of them, but i have yet to actually find one.

i could argue with you on the "there is no responsible streetracing" but it seems pointless as we have two different definitions between us as streetracing. yes, streetracing in the sense that you think of in is bad, and irrisponsible, and should be stopped. those are the idiots that give the rest of the enthusiasts a bad name. i would argue that organized street races can be responsible but that is a whole different arguement and not really needed here.

The difference is though that GLO's are not INHERENTLY dangerous. To join a fraternity or sorority does not mean that you are putting yourself at risk. In many cases the fact that there are so many brothers/sisters that have your back you are actually safer than not being with a GLO.

Not so for street racing. And when I say STREET I mean out on public streets. What you do on a track is your own business. You accept the risk there without passing it on to others without their permission. As for racing on interstates, city streets, whatever... No matter how abandoned you THINK they are is not only inconsiderate to the safety of others but it should be a serious criminal offense (in fact reckless driving, etc are illegal but I'm thinking of felony level offense).

It is your "thing" so long as it does not put others in danger. Similar to having a non-smoking section at the restaurant. It is a nonsmoker's right not to be endangered by being forced to inhale someone's cigarette smoke. It is also their right not to be run over by an out of control street racer.

I find it to be the height of selfishness to claim that endangering other people's lives so you can be entertained is your 'thing' and you have a right to do it.

Hmm...ktsnake, not sure if your post was directed at me or not. But by his "thing" I meant spending money to modify his car. He doesn't street race, which begs the question, why put all the stuff in your car. But again, as long as he isn't using it irresponsibly, its hard for anyone to tell him not to. Hope that clears things up. :)

i "put all the stuff in my car" mainly because i enjoy working on my car, and enjoy driving it. to me, a more powerful car and a car tweaked to my preference is more fun to drive than a plain old car in stock form. i personally take it to the track for a real race, and only then i do it mainly for the purpose of comparrison to see the results of my work more than anything else.

the reason i commented here in the first place is to point out that you all are attacking the wrong people. the cars you see wrecked on the news, next time you see it, pay attention to what kind of cars they are. you will find that the cars wrecked on the news are 99% of the time, a stock 4 door sedan of some type.. corrolla, accord, altima, etc.. stock and unmodified.. and it sually happens on a turn or something like that... these are the dangerous people.. they do not know how to control themsekvelves in a car. most of us who modify are cars (and yes i say MOST for a reason, not all) love are cars and don't do anything stupid like that. we know how to drive our cars and know the limitations, and that is why you won't see a wrecked 400 horsepower DSM or a slvia conversion 240sx, or a turbo motorswapped honda, or a 67 camaro with a supercharged v8 wrecked on the news.

the people you see wrecked on the news due to "street racing" are people who take mommy's gocery getter out on the highway and floor it for 5 miles next to hteir friend whoss done the same. this is not racing, it is asking for death.

I agree with ktsnake on this. Personally, I don't care how many modifications someone puts on his/her vehicle as long as that vehicle isn't involved in illegal street racing. Truth be told, I really don't like all the modifications that people put on their cars these days -- it's just not my style and I think it's a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere. However, that's just my opinion, just as a couple of other people on here have said that fraternities and sororities are not their style. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. :cool:

The problem comes in when some of these people endanger the lives of others by conducting illegal races on public streets. If they want to race on a track, then by all means let them do it. Keep it regulated so that there is less chance of someone being injured.

I don't think anyone in this thread was trying to say that all people who modify their cars are bad or that all people who enjoy racing their cars are bad. It's the people who race their cars on public streets with a blatant disregard for the lives of innocent drivers or pedestrians nearby who are giving a bad name to the rest of the race enthusiasts.

Hope this clears things up a little. :)

the reason all of us "street racers" are replying to this is because someone from our board uses this board and thought we might be interested

i agree street racing is bad but come on.all of you saying that we do this because of the fast and the furious are being dumb.they made that movie because of us.not the other way around.its also a lot more than just racing your car everywhere.its a hobby and some people put a lot of time into these machines.whereas some of you put a lot of time drinking.i think it was best put when someone said do your homework before you reply.dont knock it until you know exactly what goes on

Inflamatory, anti-greek comments aside, I can see what HighPSI TSi Guy is saying. Someone just died in a the suburb I live in last week. Turns out, one guy went into the oncoming traffic lane to get beside his friend just to mess with him. Ended up slamming head on into another car and killing the driver. Now, both of them are being charged with streetracing, manslaughter, etc. That was just idiotic.. Unfortunate, but idiotic.
This suburb I live in is full of bored kids in modified cars. I used to work the second shift at my temp job so I'd have to drive about 50 blocks up this one street at midnight on Friday and Saturday nights. I was always anxious to get home so I'd kinda punch the gas petal away from every stoplight. Inevitably, I'd end up next to a racer at a stoplight who thought that meant I wanted to 'play.' I didn't want to 'play' I wanted to go home. That being said, these guys who were doing this were never dangerous, never any more in excess of the speed limit as anyone else. They just wanted to toy with some girl in a Celica who likes to stomp on her gas petal. These kids are annoying as all hell but I can see the difference between him and the kids who killed someone.

Of course there's a difference... I don't think anyone is agreeing that it is ALWAYS bad. I think where we come into conflict is when it endangers others. If your car is not street legal you should not have it on the street. It is not your right to drive... it is a privlige. One which can and should be revoked when you break the law.

As for track racing I think that's just fine. Presumably you know what's going on and aren't going to try anything stupid. And as for certain true enthusiasts of this hobby I don't think anyone's knocking you. I think you'll find that we all mutually dislike the HS kids with the tripped out hondas bought with daddy's money.

I just can't beleive they actually took the time to come over here, register, and post to defend themeselves.

:rolleyes:

maybe if you guys understood our skills and the abilities of our car's you could put this all into perspective.


a honda civic is by no means now and never will be a sports car. A eclipse, talon, supra, etc they are. they are made to run at high speeds, safely. the difference? ask any phsyics student.

is street racing bad? sure, why not. 4 out of 5 of my races were at night with no traffic. that lone race was about 3pm in the evening.

i am just here to help change the media's (and i include this forum since it is a channel of media) view on street racers and "ricers".

there are much worse things that you people can complain about rather than us. drugs, alcohol, gangs, thugs, etc.


target something that has a higher body count next time. more people die from alcohol/drug realated car accidents than just plain street racing.

once again, i am here to dispell rumors, if i had started an anti-greek post on a forum, a few of you would have eventually shown up to defend yourselves.

DAMN STRAIGHT!

this whole forum gets....
http://www.lamer.net/assclown.jpg

Got Boost? you registered just for that? That is like me registering for your forum to post this link.

I have a lot of friends who take pride in their cars and what they do to them, and they try to defend their craft, but I'll never understand it...and that's okay because I really could give a isht. As dzrose said, this thread wasn't intended to insult or offend those who modify their cars. People placing importance on their cars rather than the safety of others is the problem!

I bought my Civic for the sole purpose of having a car. It was economical and it saves on gas. I see Supras and Eclipses every day and I'm honestly not impressed with them. Based on what I witness here, it's as if these boys over here like to show off their cars in order to make up for the areas where they're lacking isht.

I only see it as bad when it puts innocent people at risk. If you want to take that chance to risk your own lives, that's your business...but I really don't like it when you racers make it ours. If you're so proud of your cars, why not take it to the tracks? I know a bunch of car enthusiasts and experts who encourage racing on the tracks. I can recall times when I've been at red lights with idiots who purposely rev up their engines as an indication that they want to "race"...yeah...so they can show off fast they go? Please...I think I'll pass.

My views on street racing have been based on first hand accounts, thanks. But it's commendable that you're defending something you're obviously very passionate about.

Actually, we do. If you take a look at some of the topics here in Chit Chat and in the other forums, you'll see that we target other areas of discussion. We are VERY aware of the problems affecting Greek Life and we don't ignore it! We know that we have a bunch of bad apples and trust me when I say that we make every effort to correct the problem.

Probably...because Greek life is something that I am proud of. However, I probably won't resort to petty name calling, insults, and I probably won't question their intelligence just because I don't agree with what you say.

I don't think DSS started this thread to offend anyone. We all rant about something from now and then, and this was something he felt strongly about.

Then there's that old GC cliche--"We are all entitled to our own opinions...and we can agree to disagree!" With that said, all you car enthusiasts, I hope you choose to at least respect that! If you wish to continue this discussion, fine. Just leave the insults and inflammatory posts at the door, please. Doomo arigato.

That being said, don't get angry at us and don't blame us for feeling the way we do. Blame those individuals who give you all a bad name!

That being said, don't get angry at us and don't blame us for feeling the way we do. Blame those individuals who give you all a bad name!



oh ok.im a marine.so i guess since some @$$holes(marines) raped a 14 year old girl in japan ill probably do the same.oh wait and that means im a baby killer too.screw that!i gave up 6 1/2 months of my life to go sit on an aircraft carrier to defend this country!!!i saved every penny to buy my car and parts for it and now because of the media you people think all i want to do is street race and endanger other peoples lives.racing and working on my car is my "thing" just as sororities and fraternities are yours.you people make no sense

Please understand I don't think one person has said they have a problem with racing. It's simply ILLEGAL STREET RACING that we have a problem with. And from what I gather you're not into that. You seem like a fairly responsible individual who would know better than to endanger people without their consent.

Wow! You sh*t'n me!!!
 

People have been racing since before I was born? Since before my parents were born? :shock:

Guess what! People haven't been racing since before fraternities and sororities started! So if you are going to come onto a GREEK site to defend racing you need to show some respect. We did not go to your site to bash racing. A member of your site heard about it and posted a link.

And let's remember this thread wasn't started out of the blue. Another person died this week. Stan lost a friend this summer because of it. And it wasn't discussing pansy asses that race at FIVE MILES over the speed limit. The kind of racing that goes on in San Diego is serious and dangerous! The roads the racers use, quite frankly, are pretty hairy if you're doing the speed limit!

Now don't get me wrong. If you want to supe up your car, go for it. If you want to race, go to a track. I'd love to supe up my Accord. But my car would get jacked so fast! I used to drive 85mph when it was raining and I felt I should slow down "just to be safe". I would typically drive 100. Yes I've been to 115. Have I crashed? NO Have I been ticketed? NO I realized how crazy I was when I'd hear about "high speed pursuits" that weren't even close to my speed. And I realized how deadly the slightest mistake could be!

I see where Stan is coming from because I too live in San Diego and I witness street racing a lot when I'm back home. My cousins are part of a street racing crew and I'm not ignorant to the scene. Whenever I chill with my cousin and his friends they always talk about what they'll do next or which turbo upgrade they'll get and how they'll install it. After years of being exposed to the mod scene I thought Fast and the Furious made the car mod scene too trendy and mainstream. It made me pissed to see a bunch of fake teeny bop kids talk about what they'll do to their crappy hand me down from parents car. F&F simply made something with potential danger even more dangerous because it motivated dumb kids. I'm sure other car enthusiasts agree about this.

Don't get me wrong that I support illegal street racing but I don't mind seeing a nice mod every now and then. I go to the University of Civics and Integras and most of the mods I've seen are basically the same.

Anywho as a Greek and a car enthusiast I've seen both stereotypes thrown out on this thread. As a Greek I wanted to make clear how F&F basically was made to wow the teeny bops. I also want to say that the "get drunk and party" stereotype is most of the time wrong. Even though it does exist it more likely exists along the same times as if a bunch of friends got together to party.

Just wanted to increase the peace around here.

They're trying to pass a law making it a misdemeanor to be a spectator at an illegal street race. :)

About time someone tries to stop this
 

Earlier this year, a street racer lost control of his car down Skyline Drive (for San Diegans, this is an incredibly hilly street) and smashed into my sister's parked Lincoln Town Car, which had belonged to my dad.

If not for the big car, that jerk could have come through my family's house and caused major damage. Or our 11-year-old pit bull would have had a nice snack. :p