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PilotsWife 12-03-2018 03:27 PM

Harvard Update
 
Just announced for those interested.

https://standuptoharvard.org

ChioLu 12-03-2018 04:01 PM

Yay!

Sciencewoman 12-03-2018 04:28 PM

I signed the petition.

navane 12-03-2018 04:30 PM

Wow. Well done.

LaneSig 12-03-2018 05:43 PM

Hope it manages to bring back the organizations.

ASTalumna06 12-03-2018 05:47 PM

I actually just stopped into Greekchat to post this: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...x-rule-n942961

I'm happy to see these students aren't taking this lying down.

chi-o_cat 12-03-2018 05:51 PM

Chi Omega has published a message of support for the Stand Up to Harvard movement on its official Facebook page.

honeychile 12-03-2018 06:19 PM

Signed and shared on Facebook, as have many of my sisters.

clemsongirl 12-03-2018 06:45 PM

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...-back-lawsuit/

Looks like the Alpha Phi chapter has reopened.

thetalady 12-03-2018 07:11 PM

Kappa Alpha Theta has also joined the lawsuit against Harvard.

Harvard single gender lawsuit

ForrestGrump 12-03-2018 10:31 PM

Theta, KKG, Sigma Chi and SAE joined as plaintiffs in a federal suit, while Alpha Phi (both the nationals and the local chapter) and Delta Gamma's Fraternity Management Corporation are the plaintiffs in the state court case. Smart move to split up and pursue separate suits under Title IX and under Massachusetts civil rights laws.

PKT4LIFE 12-03-2018 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sciencewoman (Post 2462990)
I signed the petition.

SAME HERE!

DaffyKD 12-04-2018 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chi-o_cat (Post 2463003)
Chi Omega has published a message of support for the Stand Up the Harvard movement on its official Facebook page.

So did Kappa Delta!

DaffyKD

ChioLu 12-04-2018 11:49 AM

I signed the petition too!

utkdce 12-04-2018 05:23 PM

I signed and shared!

Titchou 12-04-2018 05:52 PM

I signed!

UVASquirrel 12-04-2018 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaffyKD (Post 2463014)
So did Kappa Delta!

DaffyKD

Same with Alpha Gamma Delta!

SWTXBelle 12-04-2018 10:10 PM

Gamma Phi Beta is in solidarity, too!

33girl 12-04-2018 10:42 PM

ASA posted on our FB page as well.

ASTalumna06 12-04-2018 11:49 PM

I know AST is putting together a statement now.

Signed the petition!

NinjaPoodle 12-05-2018 12:00 AM

Signed

*winter* 12-05-2018 12:22 AM

My AXO friend on Facebook has a special temporary profile pic frame that says "Stand Up To Harvard" from the IFC. I thought that was pretty cool!

I'm all for single sex organizations. This is unbelievable!

SigmaCat 12-05-2018 01:14 AM

Alpha Omicron Pi sent out an email encouraging all of us to visit the site and sign the petition.

FSUZeta 12-05-2018 07:06 AM

ZTA too.

ASTalumna06 12-05-2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *winter* (Post 2463033)
My AXO friend on Facebook has a special temporary profile pic frame that says "Stand Up To Harvard" from the IFC. I thought that was pretty cool!

I'm all for single sex organizations. This is unbelievable!

There's a frame available per the Stand Up To Harvard website (almost halfway down this page):
https://www.standuptoharvard.org/take-action/

moe.ron 12-06-2018 12:35 AM

Statement from Sigma Phi Epsilon:

Quote:

Today, SigEp stands in support of a group of sororities, fraternities and students who filed a pair of lawsuits challenging Harvard’s sanctions policy that punishes students who join single-sex social organizations.

“It's hard to interpret Harvard’s actions as anything other than discriminatory,” said SigEp CEO Brian Warren.

Before Harvard announced its policy, one in four undergraduates belonged to sororities, fraternities, or all-women’s or all-men’s final clubs — opportunities protected by Title IX and the First Amendment. This fall, members of Greek organizations were stripped of opportunities to hold leadership roles in Harvard organizations and athletic teams, and to obtain post-graduate fellowships and scholarships influenced or controlled by Harvard.

Warren went on to say: “I hope the work we are doing and the reforms we are leading bring much-needed change. I hope that colleges and universities one day look at Greek organizations as irreplaceable parts of the campus community and that, as a result of our actions, membership in a fraternity or sorority is celebrated and rewarded, not derided and criticized.”

PKT4LIFE 12-06-2018 01:00 AM

Statement from Phi Kappa Tau:

Quote:
WE STAND UP: Harvard has imposed a policy that punishes students for simply belonging to a private, single-sex organization like Phi Kappa Tau. Students have the right to shape their own futures—it’s time to stand up to Harvard! Today, Phi Tau stands in support of the group of sororities, fraternities and students who filed lawsuits today challenging Harvard. Take a stand with us at www.standuptoharvard.org #StandUptoHarvard

Kevin 12-06-2018 09:35 AM

Aside from a few press releases, and some online petition, what is actually being done about this? Anything? Does anyone think Harvard didn't fully consider the hypocritical aspects of their plans?

AZTheta 12-06-2018 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2463063)
Aside from a few press releases, and some online petition, what is actually being done about this? Anything? Does anyone think Harvard didn't fully consider the hypocritical aspects of their plans?

Kevin, did you not read that lawsuits are being/have been filed in both Federal and State courts?

"On December 3rd, sororities, fraternities and students filed a pair of lawsuits challenging the Harvard's sanctions policy that punishes students who join off-campus, single-sex social organizations. The federal and state lawsuits describe how Harvard used a campaign of threats and intimidation to scare students into abandoning their fundamental rights to free association and to live free of sex discrimination."

PhilTau 12-06-2018 08:34 PM

In case anyone's interested, here are links to some pdfs I found for copies of the two lawsuits filed, which provide detail about the factual basis and legal principles upon which they are based - more so than the various news articles out there. Also without the adware that comes with news posting sites.

The federal suit:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vBL...Y3oYGSe4m/view

The state suit:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ao...h8_AUW1Ec/view

jolene 12-07-2018 01:54 PM

Alpha Xi Delta is on board with this and I signed the petition.

AnchorAlumna 12-08-2018 01:57 AM

Signed.
About time.
I figured the Greeks were crafting some kind of action to counter this.

NinjaPoodle 12-08-2018 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilTau (Post 2463070)
In case anyone's interested, here are links to some pdfs I found for copies of the two lawsuits filed, which provide detail about the factual basis and legal principles upon which they are based - more so than the various news articles out there. Also without the adware that comes with news posting sites.

The federal suit:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vBL...Y3oYGSe4m/view

The state suit:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ao...h8_AUW1Ec/view

Thanks for these PhilTau! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

g41965 12-10-2018 07:35 PM

Reality check
 
Harvard is a private institution ,what is going to stop Harvard if they decide to ban fraternity life or final clubs as a matter of educational policy?
There is no constitutional right to free association when you attend a private school (although I suppose you could condition federal funding on a college/university granting such a right, boy the Universities would fight that requirement tooth and nail).
If Harvard loses expect a complete ban like Williams, Amherst , Bowdoin and Colby have instituted.
Real open mindedness at those bastions of learning and enlightenment.

33girl 12-10-2018 10:35 PM

I would actually have a little more respect for them if they did ban them outright. With the way it's set up now, they can say "oh, we didn't ban them, student interest decreased" (conveniently not saying why it decreased). There is way way way WAY more $$$ and old boys behind the Harvard final clubs than there was behind, say, Zeta Psi at Bowdoin.

Also, apparently at Williams, the students were the ones behind the decision to get rid of fraternities, not the administration.

https://specialcollections.williams....ng-of-the-end/

If students want fraternities - or things that are like them - they will continue to exist. This does, however, include keeping your mouth shut and photos off the internet, a task which seems as out of reach for this generation as walking on the surface of Saturn.

APhi2KD 12-10-2018 10:45 PM

Some interesting points:
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/edit...208-story.html

PhilTau 12-11-2018 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g41965 (Post 2463121)
Harvard is a private institution ,what is going to stop Harvard if they decide to ban fraternity life or final clubs as a matter of educational policy?
There is no constitutional right to free association when you attend a private school (although I suppose you could condition federal funding on a college/university granting such a right, boy the Universities would fight that requirement tooth and nail).
If Harvard loses expect a complete ban like Williams, Amherst , Bowdoin and Colby have instituted.
Real open mindedness at those bastions of learning and enlightenment.

They already did. Harvard's new policy goes much farther and sanctions a student who joins a single-sex social group, even if the group has no affiliation with or recognition of Harvard.

The federal suit basically alleges Title 9 violations - including, that Harvard's policy punishes/discriminates against a person on the basis of the sex of those with whom a person associates. It also alleges violation of Massachusetts Civil Rights Act which incorporates and applies federal constitutional and statutory rights and does not require a plaintiff to show government action.

The federal complaint is very well written and goes into a lot of detail about Harvard's social history. Arnold & Porter did a good job writing this up. Worth reading.

d59u 12-11-2018 09:52 AM

That Williams story is not quite accurate by a long shot. There were a few members who were unhappy with the situation but the vast majority were not opposed to fraternities on campus. The unhappies gave the administration just what it was waiting for and they pounced immediately claiming they were only doing what the students wanted. It was not coed at the time but my daughter attended Williams a couple days later and the "evils of fraternities" still exist. Students still drink too much (surprise!) and by human nature students seek out others just like themselves (discrimination?) with which to associate. The most amusing anecdote, upon leaving a freshman orientation meeting about the importance acceptance of others like ourselves she spotted two notices on a campus kiosk. One for a blacks only party and another for a gays only party. Go figure!

d59u 12-11-2018 09:53 AM

she attended two decades, not days, later. sorry

33girl 12-11-2018 10:49 AM

Thanks for your input. That story seemed a little one sided (not to mention self congratulatory) to me.


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