i think i care too much...
 

there is a event with gamma phi beta going on at my house right now...its actually right outside my window. i am getting so pissed that i had to come up to my room to take a break. our spring 2002 guys are susposed to be regulating the doors and making sure everything is going well, however there are 3 random guys who are not phi psi's who are here, and they are not keeping the doors properly closed like they were told. it seems that this is a problem over and over again. my roommate who is a spring gut comes home and he is needed to watch a door. he tells me he will be down there in 30 minutes when he has gotten ready for the party. i'm like, what? are you fucking kidding me? i just had to regulate a door that 10 minutes ago i told a spring guy to regulate. when i say him i told him he needs to be on it. his respose was "fuck you." i was so pissed.
i think i care too much about this house to see anything go bad. i dont want random guys who cause problems in our parties. i dont want the doors left wide open so we can get busted by cops or whoever...i dont know, maybe i am just buzzed and emotional. but this is something that needs to stop. its like the spring guys dont have respect for the house...its sad because the are actives now...they should have even more respect.

Josh, buddy, I'm gonna pm you.

it sucks when you realize not everyone cares as much as you do... maybe you should have a talk with them as a fraternity, tell them that they are actives now and they really need to exhibit the same respect they gave you when they were pledges... best of luck..

Not to be the bitch here, but I am pretty sure Gamma Phi Beta is not allowed to be partying at your house. You say you are buzzed, which leads me to believe this is not a dry event. So anyway, if your whole house is breaking rules, you can't get too mad at the pledges for not covering your asses while you do something you shouldn't.

i am ven drunked than i wa before, and i read thiss again/./////Fuck y ou!

lol, you are wasted!

Ok, so house spirit is totally key. You gotta admit. have a one on one talk with your guys if you are worried they don't get the code of conduct. Be like, "Hey, last night it wasn't cool that there were these people in our house. That can get us in trouble. Try and keep people like that out next time. It keeps the house tight." It'll give them the message w/o pissing them off.

peace,
M

I would have to completely agree with this one. Both your chapter as well as Gamma Phi Beta are breaking MAJOR rules (and I'm sure some laws as well). . . .

Hope you read this once your head clears up. . .

Why is it against the rules to have a sorority partying at your house? I'm pretty sure it isn't at SDSU. It was probably just a mixer or something, because no one here gets in trouble for anything like that, sorority girls party at frat houses all the time.

Maybe it was a "guest list party," that's what some people call a mixer when they plan to have alcohol there.

Any hoo...when everyone is sober and calm, perhaps you should bring it up at chapter that if you all want to have "events" at your house, then everyone has to do their job or the fun gets spoiled. Point out that you'll all been there once so it's "brotherly curtesy" to suck it up and do the assigned door check, beer check, security, etc.

Josh, there are usually fewer who really give heart and soul than the majority.

You are in the majoirty, be proud of that fact! You will get more out of your experience than others!

:)

Not knowing the full situation at SDSU I cannot say to much, maybe Stan Can!

That depends on the campus.

Amen! :)

Well, Josh has been a Greek longer than i have here, I just know it's not against the rules to have a sorority party at your house.

Sorry the brothers aren't cooperating like they should -- I agree, sit everyone down and have a little chit-chat about what needs to happen.

If its your pledges who are supposed to handle things of that nature (the door, beer, etc.) make sure they know that not doing things right NOW means no parties later.

As for the Gamma Phi Betas... I'm sure the girls aren't doing anything wrong. Rules differ from campus to campus, and certainly from GLO to GLO -- my roommate's a tri Sigma and we're CONSTANTLY comparing notes about what I'm not allowed to do that she is, etc., etc., etc.

Stan, please fill me/us in. What is having a Soroity Party at a Fraternity House?

It could be a mixer as on previous post which means it is for those 2 groups only, is that what I am understanding?

Your the man on the fore front of the action.

If it is for those 2 Orgs. then that is suppose to be who is there only, not outsiders! Am I correct?:confused:

Well, I've heard about mixers and the like at SDSU. I know Sigma CHi is gonna have one with Alpha Phi some time. But I THINK Josh's party was a mixer with gamma Phi.

You see, I actually wouldn't know, because we're not "cool" enough for sororities to hang out with us. I think it's that whole Animal House rep and being the smallest in numbers in IFC does that to you. But once again, it's ok, our parties are still fun without them, so it's their choice.

Stan, can completely understand what you said!

Hang in man, the new kids on the block do have a way of coming and biting the big dawgs in the BUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!

If your Brothers are like You, they must be great!:cool:

I always try to get better even at my age. Get the point?

Oh definitly Tom. OUr problem is youth. Our president became prez his 2nd semester his freshman year! When we were expelled, the Greek system basically forgot about us. We used to be one of the big dogs on campus, but then when we rechartered, our Nationals did it the wrong way and we're in the situation we're in now. But the good thing is that we have no where to go but up. We're getting an underground buzz on campus and sooner or later, we'll be back up there.

My brothers....lol are kinda not like me which is good. They have this ability to get over things and just not worry about them all the time. I, on the other hand, can't lol.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am 99% sure that Gamma Phi Beta is not allowed to co-sponsor an alcoholic event that takes place in a fraternity house. I believe this is a national rule.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am 99% sure that Gamma Phi Beta is not allowed to co-sponsor an alcoholic event that takes place in a fraternity house. I believe this is a national rule.

interesting thread


I think you're a little over-concerned. party's are parties because people wanna have fun, not 'cause they wanna work. There's a difference between bein' careful an' bein' anal. I'm all for bein' careful, because if the cops catch you doin' somethin' you're not suppsoed to, god help you.


Anyway, I hope everything went fine for you guys
later

my head is still spinning...
anyway, beltabetababy i'm sorry for my drunken rage and being a dick.
here is the deal with what everyone on GC is freaking out about:
sororities are allowed to have exchanged with fraternities at 3rd party vendor type places. last night was not an exchange at all. we had a party and told a lot of gamma phi's to come over because we are trying to strengthen our relations with them. we like to think of it as a event because there was a common goal: get to know that gamma phi's so in the future we can have an exchange with them. there were no rules broken. gamma phi did nothing wrong, we did nothing wrong. we just wanted to keep random guys out so we could show gamma phi that we are gentlemen, and none of us were looking forward to random guys starting shit.

now the last thing i want to rant about is the attitude of some GCer's...it seems that if one person makes a post that even mentions the possibility of a rule being broken there are people who act like god and try to dictate the rules. its not just this post but i see it with other peoples post too...all i ask is to stop hateing!

Josh, I think what you are seeing is inderstanding!

We all understand when one gets frustrated and pissed like hell!

It is tuff man, but one must hang in with his Brothers and say bring it up in Exec Meeting to air it out!

We as most have been there at one time or another! Sucks but work on it! Ya Da Man!:)

ummm...

I don't think Josh came here for a lecture. He is one of the most caring and concerned fraternity men I have ever come across, and instead of sympathy which he deserves for doing more than his share he gets yelled at. If there is anyone who wouldn't participate in an illegal event, it's him.

Don't assume, because, well, I think we all know the drill.

It IS an NPC rule, not just Gamma Phi Beta, not just campus, not just individual chapter. Events that will have alcohol present need to be through a third party vendor as that vendor takes the responsibility to check ID. . . .

Josh -
I feel for you and just want to clarify my posts are more aimed at Gamma Phi than at you and your brothers. You have every right to bite the head off your brothers who are slacking at their job. . .

I don't think this was a co-sponsored event. He said that the fraternity had a party and that there were a bunch of Gamma Phi's there. There may or may not have been other women there who were not members of Gamma Phi.

Fraternities at my alma mater did and still do host band parties with alcohol on various occasions, especially football weekends. Sometimes there would be more members of one sorority at a house than at another one, but as long as it isn't co-sponsored and the fraternity has gone through the proper channels, it's not "illegal" to have a party at a fraternity house.

Tom has a great point Stan- the little guys will always make their way to the top at some point. It may not be when you're involved as a collegian, but it WILL happen sooner or later! Three fraternities (Delts, Pikes, and Phi Kaps) at my school that were the underdogs my freshman year have made their way up in the last 3 years. They had numbers in the single digits, but have been growing and growing... Now these chapters are surpassing the ever-so "popular" fraternities in numbers and it's been amazing... I give it up for them, they've done a great job. And so will your fraternity.

Yeah we are underdogs!!! Been chapter less than year. Sigma Pi is too their colonization was interuped before it started and were told they couldn't use the student center. Thanks to IFC. There are 30 guys in there. Bigger than some chapters. And we?? we ain't f*en around round here yo dre what up? can I get a hell yeah? HELL YEAH

Thanks for clarifying - now any advice as per his original post?

Anyway -

Josh - I'd say get their names on stuff in writing, or do some suspensions/fines/etc if it's that big of a problem . . . more specifically:

I've heard of chapters just passing a list, maybe at chapter or at dinner in the house, having brothers sign up for 1-hr slots through the night for particular tasks. Then it's in writing, the social chair(s) are in charge of enforcing the list, and whoever your risk management chair is holds the ultimate authority (up to ejecting guys who don't do their job, regardless of if they live in the house).

The key to this system is to have a strong risk-management chair, one who people listen to, and give him total authority over running the event (w/ Social chair), especially if it's not at a 3rd-party location (even w/ a 3rd-party vendor).

Josh, hoped the day cleared the fog out!

It is tuff to vent on Brothers as you become an asswhole and not a Brother!

If have a need to vent you always have friends here!

Yepper is tuff to try to make all toe the line, but it do not work like that as you are learning!

It sounds like that the many dont and the few do:confused:

Remember, You are a Man among many!

I cannot say that about when I started the local, but have run accross it many times since we have been on campus.

Do what you can and someday, you too can be President:eek: :)

KSig RC has the right idea.

School policy at my college required every fraternity to front a team of at least six men for security for every party. So, for every party we had a team that we called "6-Men." People signed up for the team. People could rotate in and out of the team during the party, but every member of the team was required to be sober. (Our public parties were all dry, so this was less of an issue, but that didn't mean that people didn't drink somewhere else and then show up.)

Here's what the crew might look like for one of our theme parties:

6-Man 1 (Sgt.-at-Arms/Risk Man.): roving, supervising, handling any issues of disorder
6-Man 2: Main floor and main entry
6-Man 3: North stairwell, observing north back door, stairs down, stairs up (off limits)
6-Man 4: South stairwell, observing south back door, stairs down, stairs up (off limits)
6-Man 5: Downstairs dining hall (dancing room).
6-Man 6: roving or assigned where needed.

The upstairs, off limits to guests, was to be carefully guarded and regularly patrolled.

Then there'd be the party crew. Our most complex party had a tunnel people crawled through to get to the basement. These guys have to be sober too:
1 storyteller/tunnel entry guard
2 tunnel rats (in what seems like a contradiction, these guys serve both to alarm people and to watch out for their safety)
1-2 tunnel slide catchers
1 upstairs food/beverage server
1 downstairs beverage server

In a fraternity of 25-30 people, rotating people through these positions every few hours, this meant that everyone in the chapter had a job for at least one hour.

Failure to sign up for a job and to report for it having signed up for it merits discipline of some sort. That probably would have meant extra kitchen duty. Failing to show up for 6-Man was viewed rather more poorly. But people generally didn't fail to show up. The Sergeant-at-Arms, though usually softspoken, was huge, stern, and generally not to be trifled with.

I'm not in a fraternity (I'm female) so I can only tell you a system I've seen work really well from my outside perspective. This requires about 10 brothers at a time (or less depending on house setup and proximity to campus). Each job is a one hour shift (or 1 1/2 hours depending on the length of the party). Everyone working must be sober as well as the exec. board. Jobs are assigned by social chair and he has some sort of rotating schedual so each brother occasionally gets a night off.

Job 1 - 2 brothers - Sober Drivers - pre arranged pick-ups from campus and sober driving guests home

Job 2 - 2 brothers - Porch Duty - sit on the front porch with a walkie-talkie and report any activity to the basement.

Job 3 - 2 brothers - Outside Door - Keep the outside door closed and check guests/list. These guys are held responsible for the people who get in.

Job 4 - 2 brothers - Inside Door - These guys stand at the bottom of the steps and check I.D, take money, mark hands (it's cool, they use a yellow highlighter so you can see it in the blacklight but it's not obvious outside)

Job 5 - 2 brothers - Bar - What more needs to be said?

They also have the same D.J every week, I think it's because he doesn't trust anyone else with his laptop. Putting 2 brothers at every station at a time also keeps anyone from being stranded alone. It's easier to handle any situations with 2 people as opposed to one. This fraternity has also never once been busted . . . they play it safe.Exec. is present to handle any problems that arise during a party.

These guys take their jobs seriously because they're brothers (not pledges) and so it's THEIR asses if anything happens.

Super, it matters Not matter awhit if a Fraternity or a Soroity, It matters that you care enuff to watch out for all concerned!

If you do that then Huzzas to you!

In the Greek World, We must all look out for each other!

I do not know how many times at the Bars, we gave lifts/rides to members of another Org., no matter what! It was the thing to do!:)

When You Joinned this group of crazies, who I love dearly, it is for real and all time!:D :) :cool:

josh-
best of luck.. its hard to talk to brothers/sisters about something that may upset them or has upset you.. stay strong.

We have door duty at UM too. Not only do the guys have to do it, but so do the girls.

Sororities can still drink at fraternities at UM when we throw parties with them. No sororities can sponsor them though.

So instead of being for example Beta and Tri-Delt's party, its just Beta's with a guest list.

But yeah, your guy needs to do door duty if he's suppose to. Yeah its a party and everyone wants to have fun, but 30 mins out of like a 3-4 party isnt going to kill anyone.

UMGirl, excellent POINT! I was surprised when I went down for a weekend and there was a Brother who was desgignated Driver.

I thought that was fantastic! No one wants to lose a member of your close knit Org to a traffic accident especially when a Brother is a LT. On the Sheriff Dept and might have to be there!:(

Seeing a dead body especially one of your own is not a thing you want to do:(

Please All, use common sense and be careful.:)

You have 49 pledges. Put a few of them at the door, and tell them to only let in brothers and good looking girls.

Josh, do you have an update on the situation?