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Eternallyours 12-02-2017 06:33 PM

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My grandmother left us in July, in her will she left my cousins and I all of her jewellery, I'm not an only grandchild but I've always considered my other cousins to be trustworthy, on the day she died her jewellery box went missing (it was stolen by one of my cousins) and I've just now recovered it. She didn't really care much for jewellery but she personally left me her Greek badges (an opal pi phi badge, diamond pi phi badge, an emerald pi phi badge, a sapphire pi pi badge, a ruby pi phi badge and a plethora of Kappa badges. All predating the 1950s.), I'm a Kappa and I have no use for Pi Phi badges (as beautiful as they are) but my cousins think that they have a claim to some of the money since they think that the badges should be sold and we should all take an equal claim to the cash. Since she personally left them to me, I want to send them back to Pi Beta Phi, is this greed on my part? The money doesn't matter to me but she does and always will. She raised me to believe that when you really love something or someone that sometimes it's best to let go. Pi Phi raised her. She came to America with basically nothing and a full scholarship to college. Pi Phi put a roof over her head and food in her mouth, Pi Phi gave her friends who loved her until the very end, and Pi Phi gave her the love and security that she never received from her family. Pi Phi also gave her the courage to gain the skills that would help her secure her future. That's why I want to give them back. Even though my cousins think that they're just gold and gems in a box, I look at them and think of a woman who was born into poverty and rose through the ranks. I'm proud to be one pair of the Monmouth Duo and even though my partner has left me, I know that she is there to guide me and that I will see her again.
Kappa Love and Mine.
Eternallyours.
(Sorry if this is confusing. I just felt this pressure on me and I needed to get this off my chest.)

Cheerio 12-02-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eternallyours (Post 2448470)
My grandmother left us in July, in her will she left my cousins and I all of her jewellery, I'm not an only grandchild but I've always considered my other cousins to be trustworthy, on the day she died her jewellery box went missing (it was stolen by one of my cousins) and I've just now recovered it. She didn't really care much for jewellery but she personally left me her Greek badges (an opal pi phi badge, diamond pi phi badge, an emerald pi phi badge, a sapphire pi pi badge, a ruby pi phi badge and a plethora of Kappa badges. All predating the 1950s.), I'm a Kappa and I have no use for Pi Phi badges (as beautiful as they are) but my cousins think that they have a claim to some of the money since they think that the badges should be sold and we should all take an equal claim to the cash. Since she personally left them to me, I want to send them back to Pi Beta Phi, is this greed on my part? The money doesn't matter to me but she does and always will. She raised me to believe that when you really love something or someone that sometimes it's best to let go. Pi Phi raised her. She came to America with basically nothing and a full scholarship to college. Pi Phi put a roof over her head and food in her mouth, Pi Phi gave her friends who loved her until the very end, and Pi Phi gave her the love and security that she never received from her family. Pi Phi also gave her the courage to gain the skills that would help her secure her future. That's why I want to give them back. Even though my cousins think that they're just gold and gems in a box, I look at them and think of a woman who was born into poverty and rose through the ranks. I'm proud to be one pair of the Monmouth Duo and even though my partner has left me, I know that she is there to guide me and that I will see her again.
Kappa Love and Mine.
Eternallyours.
(Sorry if this is confusing. I just felt this pressure on me and I needed to get this off my chest.)

QFP and left to Kappas/Pi Phis here on GC to sort out...

Titchou 12-02-2017 07:14 PM

I think what you want to do is very sweet. If none of the cousins are Pi Phis and your grandmother left the badges to you, they are yours to do with as you please. I would contact Pi Phi and ask them what to do with the badges.

ZTA72 12-02-2017 08:30 PM

Your story made me think about this: if you are near a Pi Phi chapter, you might visit and speak with the members about how much Pi Phi had meant to your family member. Sometimes, there are new initiates who cannot afford a badge. you might set up a "badge scholarship" for them to be gifted to the most deserving new members. Just a thought.

Eternallyours 12-02-2017 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZTA72 (Post 2448477)
Your story made me think about this: if you are near a Pi Phi chapter, you might visit and speak with the members about how much Pi Phi had meant to your family member. Sometimes, there are new initiates who cannot afford a badge. you might set up a "badge scholarship" for them to be gifted to the most deserving new members. Just a thought.

I live right around the corner from a Pi Beta Phi chapter (I live in my KKG house) do you think it would be a good idea to go to them before I go to Nationals?

aephi alum 12-02-2017 10:09 PM

I'm glad you were able to recover the Kappa badges so that you can wear them with pride.

If you have relatives or close friends who are Pi Phis, I'd suggest you give the Pi Phi badges to them. Failing that, I like ZTA72's suggestion of gifting them to a nearby chapter, and speaking with the sisters about what Kappa means to you and what Pi Phi meant to your grandmother. Failing *that*, send them to nationals. Don't just sell them. They aren't just pretty jewelry - they have meaning.

Sciencewoman 12-02-2017 11:42 PM

Paging nyapbp, IRL Fran Becque! She is Pi Beta Phi's historian and she can tell you exactly what Pi Phi's policy is. My daughter is also a Pi Phi, and she rescued a badge with Fran's guidance a couple years ago. I think I might still have the PM where Fran told us the explicit guidelines.

ETA: I PMed Fran. I also found the old PM:

"We, like most groups, have three options for the disposition of badges - be buried with it, give it to another Pi Phi, or send it to HQ. Selling it on ebay isn't one of the options."

My daugher says "thank you" for respecting the badges and she is sorry to hear of your Grandmother's passing. It sounds like your grandmother was a wonderful sister. :)

nyapbp 12-02-2017 11:55 PM

I am Pi Phi's Historian. Sciencewoman's daughter is correct. The badges will be given a good home at HQ. PM me and I can give you more info. And if you tell me your grandmother's name, I might be able to see if we have any pictures or information about her.

generallygreek 12-03-2017 12:16 AM

Thank you so, so much for your love and care for our sisterhood. I am truly touched by your grandmother's story. I'm so glad she found a warm, safe, and loving home in our sisterhood when she needed it most, and to hear that she never stopped loving Pi Phi as much as both you and her sisters surely loved her. It sounds like your grandmother was a tried and true angel, and really embodied all of our values--most of all what my chapter lovingly called "everyone's favorite value," sincere friendship. I'm saddened by your loss, but I think you are dealing with this issue with the respect and grace a wonderful woman like your grandmother deserves. Don't let those who don't understand everything a badge represents get you down or change your ultimate decision. I'm sure your grandmother entrusted those treasures to you because she knew you would treat them with thoughtfulness and care. Thank you for sharing your memories, and for allowing us to share briefly in the life of a wonderful woman and sister. Pi Phi love and mine.

navane 12-03-2017 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Eternallyours (Post 2448470)
My grandmother left us in July, in her will she left my cousins and I all of her jewellery, I'm not an only grandchild but I've always considered my other cousins to be trustworthy, on the day she died her jewellery box went missing (it was stolen by one of my cousins) and I've just now recovered it. She didn't really care much for jewellery but she personally left me her Greek badges (an opal pi phi badge, diamond pi phi badge, an emerald pi phi badge, a sapphire pi pi badge, a ruby pi phi badge and a plethora of Kappa badges. All predating the 1950s.), I'm a Kappa and I have no use for Pi Phi badges (as beautiful as they are) but my cousins think that they have a claim to some of the money since they think that the badges should be sold and we should all take an equal claim to the cash. Since she personally left them to me, I want to send them back to Pi Beta Phi, is this greed on my part?


HOLD ON. What does the will actually say?

If your grandmother left you *and* your cousins "all" of her jewelry, then they may have a claim to the value of the badges. If your grandmother spelled out explicitly which pieces each cousin was to receive - ie "Sarah shall receive the pearl necklace and bracelet set and the ruby pendants", "Amanda will receive the diamond cocktail rings", "Karen shall receive the Greek letter badges", etc. Then I imagine the cousins would not have a claim to the badges.

As unfortunate as it is, if grandmother did not specify the disposition of the badges, you may have to sell them. You cannot deny the other recipients their inheritance simply because you're a Greek and they are not. In this case, I might suggest seeing if the badges can be sold to IHQ or a Pi Beta Phi sister for a fair price.

If the badges were explicitly left to you for your personal use, then you can do whatever you want with them.

APhi2KD 12-03-2017 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nyapbp (Post 2448488)
I am Pi Phi's Historian. Sciencewoman's daughter is correct. The badges will be given a good home at HQ. PM me and I can give you more info. And if you tell me your grandmother's name, I might be able to see if we have any pictures or information about her.

What happens to badges at headquarters? Always been curious if they are displayed with their histories, etc.

33girl 12-03-2017 01:59 AM

A badge isn't jewelry. It's a badge. It has meaning other than to be pretty. Personally I think the cousins forfeited their claims to anything when they STOLE the jewelry box ON THE DAY SHE DIED. I don't know what you all were thinking about the day your grandma died, but for me personally jewelry and how much $ I'd get from selling it was about 547th on the list.

Kevin 12-03-2017 02:36 AM

Is there a probate open? Who is in charge of the estate? While Pi Phi might tell you to donate the badges (and that would be great), doing so could end up costing you. Was there a will? Is there a trust? How did you come back into possession of the jewelry? If your cousins "stole" it, why do you have it now? You need to run this stuff by a lawyer in your state because while I respect the hell out of everyone in this thread, I don't see a lot of expertise in probate law here except navane. She's apparently on the same page I am. Definitely not enough information here, and you are in danger of being in the legal weeds.

And as far as badges not being jewelry and being the property of the national organization, that's a bunch of bullshit. Badges sell on Ebay all the time, sometimes for big bucks. While organizations might say that badges are the property of the organization, a court of law is probably going to take a different view. I own a jeweled badge which I paid good money for. I bought it from an authorized vendor. It is definitely not the property of Sigma Nu, though I will probably will it back to the chapter.

Eternallyours 12-03-2017 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by navane (Post 2448492)
HOLD ON. What does the will actually say?

If your grandmother left you *and* your cousins "all" of her jewelry, then they may have a claim to the value of the badges. If your grandmother spelled out explicitly which pieces each cousin was to receive - ie "Sarah shall receive the pearl necklace and bracelet set and the ruby pendants", "Amanda will receive the diamond cocktail rings", "Karen shall receive the Greek letter badges", etc. Then I imagine the cousins would not have a claim to the badges.

As unfortunate as it is, if grandmother did not specify the disposition of the badges, you may have to sell them. You cannot deny the other recipients their inheritance simply because you're a Greek and they are not. In this case, I might suggest seeing if the badges can be sold to IHQ or a Pi Beta Phi sister for a fair price.

If the badges were explicitly left to you for your personal use, then you can do whatever you want with them.


The will personally states me as the recipient of ALL Greek badges, the only one that I forfeited was the one that she specified was to be buried with her. Before she died she also specififically said that ALL Greek badges and ALL Greek Jewellery (Lavaileres etc,) were to go to me in front of her lawyer.

Eternallyours 12-03-2017 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2448497)
Is there a probate open? Who is in charge of the estate? While Pi Phi might tell you to donate the badges (and that would be great), doing so could end up costing you. Was there a will? Is there a trust? How did you come back into possession of the jewelry? If your cousins "stole" it, why do you have it now? You need to run this stuff by a lawyer in your state because while I respect the hell out of everyone in this thread, I don't see a lot of expertise in probate law here except navane. She's apparently on the same page I am. Definitely not enough information here, and you are in danger of being in the legal weeds.

And as far as badges not being jewelry and being the property of the national organization, that's a bunch of bullshit. Badges sell on Ebay all the time, sometimes for big bucks. While organizations might say that badges are the property of the organization, a court of law is probably going to take a different view. I own a jeweled badge which I paid good money for. I bought it from an authorized vendor. It is definitely not the property of Sigma Nu, though I will probably will it back to the chapter.

My grandmother didn't view them as jewellery. The will personally specified me as the recipient and the jewellery box was not recovered until now because my cousin lives in the same town as my grandma and had the opportunity to take what she wanted when we were all more preoccupied with things other than money, we came back into possession because my cousin's husband called another one of my cousins to ask if she had any claim on the jewellery (which she did), and my grandmother's lawyer has cleared me on everything but figuring out how to distribute the badges.

Eternallyours 12-03-2017 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nyapbp (Post 2448488)
I am Pi Phi's Historian. Sciencewoman's daughter is correct. The badges will be given a good home at HQ. PM me and I can give you more info. And if you tell me your grandmother's name, I might be able to see if we have any pictures or information about her.



Thank you! I'll direct message you!

Titchou 12-03-2017 09:02 AM

Then keep the Kappa ones and return the Pi Phi ones to their HQ. They will have a procedure for that.

Eternallyours 12-03-2017 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sciencewoman (Post 2448486)
Paging nyapbp, IRL Fran Becque! She is Pi Beta Phi's historian and she can tell you exactly what Pi Phi's policy is. My daughter is also a Pi Phi, and she rescued a badge with Fran's guidance a couple years ago. I think I might still have the PM where Fran told us the explicit guidelines.

ETA: I PMed Fran. I also found the old PM:

"We, like most groups, have three options for the disposition of badges - be buried with it, give it to another Pi Phi, or send it to HQ. Selling it on ebay isn't one of the options."

My daugher says "thank you" for respecting the badges and she is sorry to hear of your Grandmother's passing. It sounds like your grandmother was a wonderful sister. :)

Thank you!

nyapbp 12-03-2017 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by APhi2KD (Post 2448494)
What happens to badges at headquarters? Always been curious if they are displayed with their histories, etc.

We have badges on display at HQ. Some are used as honor pins and photographs of them are used in social media and in our magazine. Every so often, the badge disposition form appears in The Arrow. Older alumnae sometimes keep the form with their badge and the badges often come back attached to the form.

Typically, our displays do not identify the donor, although the name is in our acquisitions file.

GreekOne 12-03-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZTA72 (Post 2448477)
Your story made me think about this: if you are near a Pi Phi chapter, you might visit and speak with the members about how much Pi Phi had meant to your family member. Sometimes, there are new initiates who cannot afford a badge. you might set up a "badge scholarship" for them to be gifted to the most deserving new members. Just a thought.

I love this idea. If your grandmother came from humble beginnings, I am sure she would as well. As a chapter adviser, I have known several young ladies that could not afford to buy badges, and I was able to arrange to have one purchased for them. In some cases, these were previously owned badges that were returned to our national office under circumstances of death or disaffiliation. When presented with these badges, these young women seemed to treasure them even more than those that were purchased brand new. Our badges should be worn with pride by members and not melted down for the weight of their gold.

Titchou 12-03-2017 02:29 PM

I bought a chapter guard from our HQ that had been on a returned pin. Was very proud to have it!

thetalady 12-03-2017 03:14 PM

Eternallyyours, your grandmother's pins sound very special. I hope you might take some pictures and share them with us here! I am especially in love with opal badges!

Sciencewoman 12-03-2017 03:42 PM

^^^ The Pi Phi badge my daughter rescued in an opal badge. I will see if I can get generallygreek to post a picture in the badge thread.

ColdInCanada11 12-03-2017 06:00 PM

This makes me wonder: new members must purchase a badge (order is placed before initiation), it's not optional, it must be done. Is this not the case in all NPC orgs?

Titchou 12-03-2017 07:55 PM

Some groups include one in their initiation fees.

aephi alum 12-03-2017 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdInCanada11 (Post 2448547)
This makes me wonder: new members must purchase a badge (order is placed before initiation), it's not optional, it must be done. Is this not the case in all NPC orgs?

It's required for AEPhi. You must purchase a badge unless you are going to wear your sister's, mother's, or grandmother's badge. You cannot give away your badge while you're an active, so if your sister is still an active, you must buy your own badge.

If you've seen the "badge trends" thread, you've seen my not-infrequent complaints about how AEPhi badges cannot be customized. Letters in sequence, 27 pearls, gold bar, end of story - no opals, sapphires, emeralds, rubies, diamonds, white gold, etc. But one nice thing about this is that, since no customization is allowed, we almost always had our new members' badges before initiation. The other sororities at my school did allow customization, so it took time to craft those badges - new initiates wore their big sisters' badges, sometimes for as long as a semester, until their own badges came in.

GreekOne 12-03-2017 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdInCanada11 (Post 2448547)
This makes me wonder: new members must purchase a badge (order is placed before initiation), it's not optional, it must be done. Is this not the case in all NPC orgs?

In the 80s, the cost of our badge was embedded in our initiation fee and it was compulsory. Today, sadly, it is an option. New members are initiated with their big sister's badges and given an order form to get their own. This takes time and some young women with financial difficulties never place that order, and therefore never own a badge. I don't know when this change took place but it saddens me when a young women tells me that she does not own a badge due to the cost. The most basic option is under $40. With the expense of membership, I strongly preferred the days that it was embedded into the initiation fees and every sister had one.

ColdInCanada11 12-03-2017 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekOne (Post 2448561)
In the 80s, the cost of our badge was embedded in our initiation fee and it was compulsory. Today, sadly, it is an option. New members are initiated with their big sister's badges and given an order form to get their own. This takes time and some young women with financial difficulties never place that order, and therefore never own a badge. I don't know when this change took place but it saddens me when a young women tells me that she does not own a badge due to the cost. The most basic option is under $40. With the expense of membership, I strongly preferred the days that it was embedded into the initiation fees and every sister had one.

It is embedded in our dues! (I mean, it's a separate fee, but you must pay it before you initiate, and it's not overly expensive) I could see if only 14k gold or jewelled badges were your options, but a simple gold-plated badge should be required. A badge is such an important identifier of our vows and bond, I couldn't imagine not having my badge!

APhi2KD 12-04-2017 02:20 AM

Just saw this on Ebay and think it's funny timing:
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One more thing, please don't complain about my sale of this pin, I do not feel that it is my job to return any item to your organization or headquarters. I am not selling copies of pins, nor do I make any claim of ownership of the design of the pins. Just a guy saving a lot of nice Greek pins from the refiner. If anymore of my auctions get pulled for copyright infringement, I will make it a point to melt every one of that groups pins from now on, Delta Sigma Theta, I'm talking to you...

celebcj 12-04-2017 02:26 PM

so sorry for your loss, she sounds like an amazing woman.

I am curious about how she came to own both Kappa and Pi Phi badges being a Pi Phi?

aephi alum 12-04-2017 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekOne (Post 2448561)
The most basic option is under $40.

That's not bad at all! Heck, textbooks go for 5-10x that!

When I joined AEPhi, our only option was a 14k yellow gold badge with pearls. It was $75. You could also get a chapter guard - it had to be yellow gold set with pearls - for an additional fee. There is now a 10k gold option. I'm not sure what the badges are priced at today.

navane 12-04-2017 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekOne (Post 2448561)
In the 80s, the cost of our badge was embedded in our initiation fee and it was compulsory. Today, sadly, it is an option. New members are initiated with their big sister's badges and given an order form to get their own. This takes time and some young women with financial difficulties never place that order, and therefore never own a badge. I don't know when this change took place but it saddens me when a young women tells me that she does not own a badge due to the cost. The most basic option is under $40. With the expense of membership, I strongly preferred the days that it was embedded into the initiation fees and every sister had one.


Aww...that's a shame. I had always assumed that all sororities required their members to wear their badges for ritual and formal meetings.

bevinpiphi 12-05-2017 02:22 PM

If her chapter is still standing, it may be lovely to donate one as an honor badge to her chapter - we have a badge that members can "borrow" for weddings. I wore my rescued pearl badge over my heart on my wedding day - my husband found it in a thrift shop, and recognized it because of "all those stinking arrows in the house".
I would LOVE to see pictures of those arrows. I love seeing old styles of the badge.

PhilTau 12-05-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekOne (Post 2448561)
In the 80s, the cost of our badge was embedded in our initiation fee and it was compulsory. Today, sadly, it is an option. New members are initiated with their big sister's badges and given an order form to get their own. This takes time and some young women with financial difficulties never place that order, and therefore never own a badge. I don't know when this change took place but it saddens me when a young women tells me that she does not own a badge due to the cost. The most basic option is under $40. With the expense of membership, I strongly preferred the days that it was embedded into the initiation fees and every sister had one.

Just thought I'd point out that some fraternities have the same issues. I was an active at a large state university. Our members were from all types of families and from all walks of life and all social-economic backgrounds. Some of our members simply could not afford to buy a pin. As an active, I never even saw an active badge of my fraternity. And we were not offered one to buy, though I suspect some members did have them but never wore them. This local "tradition" had been well established long before I arrived.

NYCMS 12-05-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bevinpiphi (Post 2448670)
If her chapter is still standing, it may be lovely to donate one as an honor badge to her chapter - we have a badge that members can "borrow" for weddings. I wore my rescued pearl badge over my heart on my wedding day - my husband found it in a thrift shop, and recognized it because of "all those stinking arrows in the house".
I would LOVE to see pictures of those arrows. I love seeing old styles of the badge.

What a lovely idea!

I recently had the opportunity to visit the founding chapter of my sorority (not Pi Phi - although I love your arrow badge) and they had a huge display of badges, including those encrusted with rubies, sapphires, diamonds and opals as well as pearls (which is the traditional stone for my sorority badge) as well as with very embellished engraving. It was such a treat

honeychile 12-07-2017 06:37 PM

My chapter of initiation has two special badges: a President's Pin, which had belonged to our chapter founder, and a Sister of the Year Pin, which had been donated to the chapter. I think it's a lovely idea!


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