Not showing up PNM list??
 

*Not showing up ON PNM list

Rush is still ongoing at my school, and I don't believe I had any potentially alarming stats or go to a very competitive school according to Greek Chat standards, as I've done some reading here. However, I was surprised by my invite list for first invite after open house, as while I didn't go in expecting a full list or to even have many "competitive" houses, I was surprised that of all the houses on campus, I only got invites from a couple/around 22% of them (there are many, almost 20) and I had not ranked 75% of them as #1 after open house (we have #1 slots for the max number of houses we can return to).

Then I heard from a friend in a house who'd written me a rec herself (and according to her that should have carried me to first because of their policy) who was upset that I wasn't invited back. I told her about my small invite list, and she asked their chapter's computer chair who told her (and I have screenshots) that she couldn't find me in the recorded registered PNM's, either by name or PNM number and that's why she hadn't matched me to the rec, which she could find, or put me on the list for first invite. She then suggested they keep me in mind for a snap bid as she didn't think they'd make quota anyway.

My friend says this is clearly a computer snafu, and while I want to reach out to Panhell to see if this was more widespread (as there are so many houses I would have liked to be invited back to/seem more of), I would like some advice in doing so. How do I provide substantial proof without naming my friend and her sorority? Have any of you come across issuess like this, and what happened? I would like to think I'd get some invites back if there is an issue, but first already happened, and I didn't go to a majority of the houses, though I did go to every house that invited me back and tried to perform well. Would it be wrong to tell friends in other houses if something did go wrong and ask them if they could consider advocating for me if they need to snap bid (my school is limited, not no contact, by the way)?

I don't know if it's worth saying I did register late, probably right before the portal closed (did it day of), though I was assigned a number.

Thank you so much!

Why are you asking us? Take any proof to Panhellenic as soon as possible.

Hi, I've drafted an email already and will also call in the morning when I don't have class, but I am a little worried about what exactly "limited contact" means and don't want to get my friend's sorority in trouble. I know Panhell probably deals with a lot of upset girls, and so I figured I should provide proof and as much of it as soon as possible (maybe screenshots with names/photos blacked out), but I don't want the attention to land on how this discovery was made.

Yes - go to the Greek Adviser now. if you don't want to show the message -just say one of your rec writers was upset that you weren't invited back because she said it's required for her group. Also, could you have registered in your "goes by" name and the form be in your given name or some combo thereof? That happens frequently!

And I wouldn't say the writer is a current member. Let them think it's an alum.

QFP

I have seen CampusDirector goof up badly once before, where it gave a PNM a bid to a chapter she didn't even pref (and yes, we had to pull her out of that chapter's bid day party and bring her to where she really belonged, and yes, that wasn't super pleasant) so I suppose it's possible. Very odd though.

I've not worked with any of the systems but I'm curious how some sororities had you on their list if the majority did not.

I'd like to see the definition of "limited, not no contact". Don't think it means what you think it means.

Because I am pretty sure that discussing recruitment-related matters with an active during recruitment is excluded. "Limited" as I have seen it practiced means that you can say "hello" to actives in class, for example. You don't have to pretend that they are invisible and vice versa. But talking about recruitment with them while it's ongoing is a violation and will bring about consequences from the College Panhellenic.

This is inaccurate. Even legacies which are a far cry from mere recommendations are not guaranteed a place on any invitation lists. The only exception is for legacies and the final bid list, but that in no way applies to you.

You had a bad rush. Your friend who is one vote among MANY does not have the power to control the invitation list, and the chapter members are (for good reason) left in the dark over the exact list. So your friend was either speaking out her ass or just trying to be nice and say you were supposed to be on the list.

I would not continue this fight; it will only make you look bad. If you want to try again in the future, really think about what happened. Are your grades REALLY ok? Were you dressed appropriately for rush at your school? Were you weird, uncomfortable, awkward? Have a little sit-down with yourself and figure out what could have been done differently. Then adapt and move forward.

Didn't the chapter have to sign a bid card? I thought it was standard practice for a chapter officer(s) to sign the bid cards (e.g. chapter president, advisor, membership VP) before they are distributed.

OP, I would also leave this alone and continue with the groups you have on your invitation list, and don't spend time and energy on what is likely a goose chase. If the "computer chair" really thought you should have been invited and couldn't find you on the list, she would have already contacted Panhel on behalf of the chapter to see what was going on with the system. Even if you registered late, the system obviously has you registered for you be assigned a rush group, counselor, list of parties, etc.

Maybe that applies to your sorority, but not to all. Ditto for your statement about the final bid list.

Wait, what?

Is she saying an active sister wrote a rec for her, for her own chapter? I thought that didn't fly - that active sisters (in some groups) could write a rec for, say, a woman rushing DD chapter if they are a member of EE chapter, but not a rec for EE chapter. If that was the case sisters would be writing recs all through rush.

So in a system where at a LOT of schools 2-3 recommendations are required for every single sorority for a viable chance, you're telling me a single recommendation will guarantee a rushee a return invitation? Sure, membership selection is private. And every single girl at Bama and Texas get invited back to every house after the first round. Because that's what you just said. Because anything less than 100% would mean Theta and/or any other NPC sorority would have that policy.

Back in the old days a recommendation got a girl invited back to round 2. There is no scenario where this can continue to be true. Yes, it helps. But the OP said she had a recommendation and therefore had to have been invited back. And you just agreed to that.

[QUOTE=AZTheta;2441795]Maybe that applies to your sorority, but not to all. Ditto for your statement about the final bid list.[/QUOTE

THIS! DubaiSis, Perhaps she was referring to legacies?

Sorry AZTheta. My supermod powers caused me to hit edit instead of quote and my pithy reply to the OP got posted to your statement. I deleted what I had posted on your post. This is basically what I said:

At the very least, the sorority should've been able to cross reference their party list with the list Panhellenic gave them before the parties commenced. At that time, they would've noticed that the OP's name was missing from the Panhellenic list. That is to say, if she was on the sorority's invitation list. They then could've notified Panhellenic of the problem and the mistake would've been corrected, and the PNM would've attended the party.

I'm calling BS. If it was a computer snafu that didn't show you on the PNM list, you would have been cut completely from all houses; even the ones that you were less than excited about returning to. So... yeah. I don't buy it.

What? Where are you getting THAT from what I responded to and wrote? I said no such thing. Goodness, that's some kind of huge assumption and leap you just made. So, I am thinking your remarks aren't directed to me. Because you wouldn't misunderstand in that fashion nor would you put those words in my (or anyone else's) mouth. You're too smart for that. Right? Sheesh.

Without going into MS details, obviously: For some NPC sororities, legacies receive an automatic invite to the second round with the caveat that if their GPA doesn't meet the minimum for the chapter, they will be released after Open House.

ETA: Mercury has left retrograde so that can't explain the misunderstanding.

2nd ETA: every sorority has its own policy re: placement of legacies on bid list(s). No universals there either.

Yes, they did sign a bid card for her, she got it, her recruitment counselor thought it was odd that she got a bid she didn't pref for but didn't tell us until later when we were trying to figure out why a historically strong group had missed quota by just one. PM me for details if you'd like them before we veer entirely off topic:)

WTH????? Where in God's name did you get this? In my group,actives can write a sponsor for ANY PNM going to ANY school where we have a chapter. We just want them BEFORE recruitment starts. I have no idea what YOUR group does so I would not speak for it. Perhaps you should return the favor?

So if what I said doesn't apply to all then it means that there IS a sorority out there that always invites every rushee back at least once simply because she has a recommendation. We are not talking about the bid list (although I've talked to enough sorority women that the "if a legacy makes it to preference she has to be on the 1st bid list" rule is close enough to universal), we're talking about invitations to the 2nd round of rush. And let's not even go with IS. We could say COULD. So you're saying that there COULD BE a sorority that has to invite every recommended rushee back to the second round. That is exactly completely and unequivocally opposed to RFM which requires chapters to make cuts. So which is it, RFM or a theoretical sorority has to invite back every girl with a recommendation? I'm going to assume that the only thing you were arguing was the final bid list because you don't want to let out the world's worst kept secret. But that was not what was being discussed.

Settle down Beavis...I am not "speaking for anyone's group" just trying to clarify what OP was saying. Quote from her post:

In everything I've read on GC over the years about recs, usually people have said that while collegiate members can write them in some groups, they cannot write them for women going through rush at the chapter where they are an active member. If I completely misinterpreted that, I hope others will chime in and let me know. I honestly have no idea why this offended you so much when I was asking a simple question and didn't name any NPC groups.

This has been my understanding too.

Stacey in AAA at State U can write a rec for her friend Becky going to University of State but not for Susie going through rush at State U.

Nope. Nope. Nope. As I said, in my group ANY active can write a sponsor form (our term for a rec) for any PNM. However, collegiate members need to do it BEFORE recruitment starts(so we know the PNM isn't a rush crush and is someone she already knew). Collegiate members are full members of our GLO. 33girl, your initial statement said "since when does this fly?" Now you say that you've heard that "usually" people say you can't do that? So, you know a member of all the 25 other NPC groups and have verified this?

And while I'm on the subject of recs and to put this one to rest - any group that "requires" a rec for a new member to be pledged has a method in place to get same should she not have one otherwise. Please know that no group would require one without a method to do so. And no, I'm not telling how we do it nor asking how other groups do it. That's private MS information.

I was on a campus where quota was regularly 40-50 (?) at the time. We generally got about three or four recs mailed in.

I'll let people do the math and figure that out.

That's all you needed to say without getting nasty and snarky. Apparently one of my fellow moderators was under the same impression as I was. It's not a criticism of your policy, just honest surprise due to what I've read on here for many many years, so try dialing the butthurt back a few hundred notches. FWIW, it certainly makes more sense as far as recs are concerned to get one from a collegian who knows a PNM well than for the PNM to get one from her boyfriend's cousin's third grade teacher who wouldn't know her if she tripped over her.

I don't know AZTheta, I think the calendar is wrong and Mercury is still in retrograde.

My last word on this...."Wait! WHAT?????" wasn't nasty and snarky? Well, as we Cajuns say - just like you see yourself, there you are.

No. It wasn't. :confused: :confused:

Apparently you are targeting me. Therefore:

No, I am not saying that at all. However it's apparent that you have some kind of bee in your bonnet and don't want to participate in any sort of reasonable discussion. Your logic and reasoning is faulty. As are your assumptions.

Done here.

*shrug*

double posting to say that actually, the two weeks following a retrograde ("shadow period") are known to wreak havoc as well. Pretty sure that's what's going on in my own life, definitely. Worst. Retrograde. EVER.

Sure didn't look like it to me. It looked pretty obviously like surprise and confusion.