Rho Chi/Gamma Duties - venting
 

OK, I was reading one of the recruitment stories on here, and the PNM said her Rho Chi told her that one of the sororities didn't have a house because it was taken away from them for doing bad things. What gives Rho Chis the idea that they are the people who should be telling this sort of thing?

This past weekend, I did formal recruitment with a colony, and the Rho Chis there told the PNMs that, and I quote, "D Phi E isn't even a chapter yet." in a not so nice tone...we were there!!!

I understand that it's the Rho Chis job to counsel the PNM on the Recruitment process, but it is not their job to judge other sororities, air dirty laundry that you may know of other sororities or talk negatively of any other group. It's their job to promote Greek Life, no matter where the PNM goes. I really think that some campuses have lost this vision of this, and I hope that Campus Panhellenics can advise the women that they choose to be Rho Chis of this. I think it's a disgrace for a Rho Chi to talk badly about any chapter, and they should be dealt with in the proper fashion, whatever that is.

Sorry for the rant...it's just on my nerves :)

FWIW, I agree with you.

A Recruitment Counselor is there to counsel, end of story. Offering opinions (they're not a real chapter!) etc. is uncalled for.

For all they know, it's campus rumor that that group lost their house for a risk management or other violation. It could be that there was a problem with the house and it was too expensive to fix or who knows what. If a group did something 'bad' enough to lose their house, they wouldn't still have a charter, I would think. Nationals don't take away houses w/o taking away the chapter, for goodness sake. Taking away a house and leaving the chapter is dooming it.

Re: Rho Chi/Gamma Duties - venting
 

Amen, shadokat.

Someday I may have the guts to post my own horrendous rush story on here. For right now, suffice to say that the first time I went through rush, a Rho Chi (not mine) actually had the nerve to TELL ME AND MY ROOMMATE ALL ABOUT EACH GROUP'S SO-CALLED "REPUTATION" ON CAMPUS! Sorry to yell, but OF ALL THE PEOPLE to have the nerve to do this during rush - the LAST person you would expect to hear this sort of trash from, would be a Rho Chi!

Thanks for letting me vent - all these years later, and it STILL bothers me!

I agree Shadokat. I have some friends who are national staff members for their NPC. A few years ago they were trying to establish a colony on a very small campus and it was the colony’s first formal recruitment. There was a break between rounds and my friends went to the restroom. A couple of minutes later two Rho Chis came in and were chatting not realizing that others were in the restroom too. One Rho Chi told the other, “Well, I solved that problem. I declined all my girls’ invitations to ‘new colony’ even if they wanted to go back. That group is a bunch of dorks and my girls are too sweet to be associated with such trash.” One of my friends stepped out of the stall and said, “Thanks for the information, I am on my way to the Greek Advisors office to report you.” My other friend had words too and “thanks” wasn’t one of them.;)

I was a PX at a large state U a few years ago. It was disgusting. PXs were calling their houses all week. The disaffiliation rule was complete bs. The exec board knew what was going on, participated in the actions and only had a problem when certain PX's were calling their houses. They called about girls they knew and girls in their PX groups. The whole experience was a real let down. Coming from a smaller house the other PXs were not supportive at all, even though they knew the dire situation my house was in. I was in the Greek system for 4 years, now that I'm out, I look back with little regret, except for the 2 weeks of recruitment and work week. As long as the PX exec is run by the biggest houses with no input from the small ones and even less representation of them nothing will change. The bigger houses get bigger, the smaller ones get smaller and eventually will be gone, as mine is.
Just something to think about.
~2017

Someone mentioned that Rho Chis at UF discouraged rushees from being interested in the new DZ colony that is starting this year. I was pretty upset about that, because Rho Chis are put into their positions for one reason -- to be UNBIASED. It certainly didn't sound like some of them were living up to that role.

Fortunately, the colony seems to have accumulated a large number of interested women despite the negative comments, so I'm looking forward to hearing about a successful rush very soon! :)

Rho Chi's from other campuses?
 

The university from which I transferred from is under-going major changes in the Greek system - specifically for sororities. This will be the first time in a *long* time that NPC has groups on the campus.

From what I was told (this was in May,so they may have changed their mind since then?) the Student Activities Office wanted to recruit Rho Chi's from a neighboring university. None of the sororities on the neighboring university have chapters or colonies at our school. (I guess this might work because the schools are considerablly smaller than most greek schools).

Would there be a possiblity of these recruited Rho Chi's to demostrate behavior that this thread has shown?

At my previous school--rho chi's would call their house and let the girls know what the pnm's thought of the house and if if was negative they were dropped usually. Also the rho chi's would tell us if there was someone they wouldn't want in their house.

Texas*princess,

It looks like they're wanting to recruit recruitment counselors from other schools to avoid these sorts of behaviours. I know just from reading rush threads that it's a lot easier for me to be unbiased about a PNMs experience if there's no Kappa chapter on her campus. If I were a recruitment counselor on a campus with no Kappa chapter, then the disaffiliation wouldn't be an issue. I'd have no temptation to call up any house, report on any PNMs, or do anything of hte sort. My focus would be purely on making sure that all these girls have a positive experience.

I'd encourage them to go for it.

-KKC

Question
 

Can a PX say unflattering things about a chapter that she knows to be true? For example, my freshman year there was a chapter that had lost its house due to money problems. They were the only unhoused chapter on our campus, so I'm sure some PNMs were wondering why XYZ didn't have a house but all the other sororities did. In that situation, would it be OK for a PX to tell the PNMs why XYZ didn't have a house, or would the PX be forbidden from answering that question?

We used recent alums. Many of them were great, but it's always a risk. Personally, I thought the Greek life assistants (grad students) who were from other chapters made the best Rho Chis. They couldn't advocate for their own chapter, and whatever preconceptions they had about the various chapters from their own experience were usually totally different than our campus, so they had learned to keep an open mind.

I believe that Rho Chis are allowed to state anything that is factual. So you could ask your Rho Chi, "Does X have a house?" "Who won Greek Week?" Which is nice, because I know every sorority claimed to have the top grades when I went through! But for anything sensitive, they might refer you back to the chapter anyway.

Thanks everyone for your responses!! I thought maybe it was just me being sensitive :) texas*princess, they are probably looking for Rho Chis b/c your greek system is new, and the women there don't really know how to be Rho Chis. Therefore, the other university, with an established Panhel, can hopefully fill in and teach the women this.

AlphaSigLana, I don't necessarily think it's wrong to tell your chapter if a girl in your group is interested or not interested. I mean, if there's a girl who is really into your house, giving her a little extra attention during parties is ok. What's wrong is actually talking shit about other sororities to the PNMs. I think it's really common practice for the Rho Chis to tell their chapters how they are doing and such.

RockChalk, if you're not a member of the sorority who lost their house, and you're not affiliated during recruitment, as a Rho Chi, you shouldn't say anything. If a PNM says they heard this or that, you say, I don't really know why they don't have a house, but that really isn't such a huge deal in finding a sorority. Encourage the women to look for what really matters in sorority life, and they'll join for the right reasons.

I have to disagree with this... When someone chooses to be a Rho Chi they disaffiliate from their chapter and pledge not to discuss ANY recruitment business with the members. If they start to bend the rules slightly by telling their chapter what girls are interested, it is only a matter of time before the rules become inconsequential and are not observed at all.

Also, a little exception like this, gives a chapter a very unfair advantage if they know how a PNM feels based off what a PX says. Say PNM Suzy likes ABC and DEF both equally, but her PXs are from DEF and GHI. Then DEF hears from the PX that Suzy likes them but ABC doesn't... DEF starts treating her with priority based on what they heard and she chooses to join there. However, ABC never had that information and therefore missed out on Suzy because of a PX breaking rules.

Okay, so that was long and rambling...

AlphaSigLana, I don't necessarily think it's wrong to tell your chapter if a girl in your group is interested or not interested. I mean, if there's a girl who is really into your house, giving her a little extra attention during parties is ok. What's wrong is actually talking shit about other sororities to the PNMs. I think it's really common practice for the Rho Chis to tell their chapters how they are doing and such.

Thank you sororitygirl2.

Disaffiliation is the cornerstone of being a PX. For the time being these are your new sisters. Following the rules is part of being a PX, why should the rules only apply to some? If a girl is really into a chapter what happens if her PX is not from that chapter? She may like it, but not as much as the other. She may be dropped from that chapter. PXs also are looked up to. These are actives, that is where these girls want to be. What if a lady says she wants to join a house she thinks the PX is in just b/c she likes the PX? The no communication rule is a must. The sh*t talk needs to stop, I agree. But allowing PXs to talk to their chapters will only perpetuate it.

RhoChi's
 

Why would RhoChi's want to do that sort of thing? Their job is not to tell their sisters which girls they don't want and which girls they do - their job is to help girls who are interested in sororities make the right decision without a biased opinion. Any RhoChi who calls her sisters to dicuss certain PNMs is not someone I would want representing my sorority. I can believe that that goes on but I can't believe nothing was done to those RhoChis.

I don't think it is a good idea, because opinions can change-- just look at the pnm stories. Some girls didn't really know if a house was for them one day, but the next day they talked to an awesome rusher from the house.
I know that when I was a freshman my PX asked me what I thought of a house and I said I didn't think they liked me and I didn't really like them(bc of that). Well I was dropped the next day. I liked one of the girls that rushed me bc she did a good job of including me(I was double rushed). My PX was a member of this particular house. Of course I don't know if she said anything, they may not have liked me, but it is okay bc they were one of the more expensive houses anyway.

to give you all an idea of how terrible breaking the PX rules can be, let's look at what happened to my chapter. we had a bunch of sisters from other chapters come to help us rush. no big deal, in fact we had a blast during rush. we had national reps there to help us and everything. we thought rush was going great until we found out that the PX's were telling all of the PNM's that most of the girls they were meeting weren't really sisters of this chapter and we were just trying to trick them into thinking we were some great chapter. well, partly true, not everyone they talked to was from our chapter, but at some point during every party a sister from our chapter would talk to each rushee. but for the PX's to go and say that really hurt our numbers. we only had 2 girls accept bids from us that year and consequently we ended up having to close our chapter b/c of it.

i don't feel PX's have any right to say anything about the different chapters. it's not their place. and as for telling their chapter about pnm's that were interested or they didnt' like or whatever. that's a bunch of bs as well. i wasn't invited back to AXO during rush b/c my PX was from that chapter and didn't like me. i really liked them and wanted to pursue them, but it didn't happen b/c she didn't like me. so take a hint all you possible or past PX's, it only hurts the greek system, the sororities, and the PNM's to run your mouth. okay, sorry, got a little upset for a minute. but honestly, think about it.

shelley j
sigma k

interesting..
 

It is very interesting for me to read all about this because I have never experienced anything with PX's before.

I just finished reading a rush thread and the rushee mentioned that one of her PX's told them that a certain sorority had their house taken away because of something illegal they did. I don't find this sort of behavior very nice.

Are the PX's required to answer a question about a specific house?

Are the problems with recruitment counselors more prevelant at smaller or larger campuses?

I rushed at a small lib/arts school with only for NPC sororites on campus. We all knew each other, had friends in the houses, and didnt' have to worry about "too" much dirty rushing.

Some of the things my school did was to have rotating officers on Panhell. Every four years, your house was President of panhell. Also, nominees for recruitment counselors were made by the individual chapters, and then voted on by all the chapters. For example, three sisters from my house would volunteer to be Rho Chi's, and the other three houses had to vote on who the two would be. This allowed the most "greek" women to be choosen, not the best KD or ABC/XYZ.

As for telling PNM's about house reputations, we embraced ours and laughed it off. The reputations for the four houses were so outdated that they were humorous. There was never any problem with that.

The most important part of recruitment is retention- how many girls go greek. Whether it is your house or hte house down the street, it doesn't matter as long as it provides a positive impact on Greeks everywhere.

Just my thoughts ont he matter.

Melissa

Amidst all the Rho Chi bashing, I do want to say that there are a lot of wonderful Rho Chis. I was a Rho Chi and I worked with some amazing women that I was glad to befriend and get to know.

LeslieAD, from your past posts, I would never doubt that you set an example ALL Rho Chis should follow!

This is just another facet of the much bigger problem-Dirty Rushing. After the NUMEROUS PMs I recieved, the posts on MY thread, past horror stories and now THIS thread, it is BEYOND obvious that there is a very real problem for Greek system of every size.

We are so concerned with "image" that we don't want to expose our own shortcomings! I listened to the oath the Rho Chis took at LSU. Can they be all that different on other campuses? The opening statements made by SOME are PURE hypocrisy and it's showing itself to exist on so many campuses. I think we should paint a little more clear picture of WHAT dirty rush is to the PNMs (throw out our PC rhetoric) and put some teeth into the penalty for breaking the rule. ALL of these examples are so wrong, it infuriates me to hear they happen! If you can't be held accountable, why CARE?
Why NOT tell a PNM-Honey, if anyone says something bad about another chapter, they are breaking rule 1375 of our code which means their standards stink, their character is lacking and if you join this sorority you will be part of a scum bag group and everyone will know it!
How many would still "dirty rush"? Probably some because they'd know there was NOTHING Greek Affairs could/would do about it!

I never really thought of hurting PNMs by talking to your chapter as a PX, but that makes sense. I just can't believe the blatant disregard that these PXs at this university I was at had for the rules. And to be so hideously UNpanhellenic...just really irked me. I didn't mean to say that all PXs are bad, because they aren't!! There are many wonderful women who take it very seriously and do an outstanding job. It's just a shame that these girls couldn't do the same. And it obviously goes on at other places too, from the responses here. Maybe it's an issue we all need to take to our Panhellenics!!!

shadokat, I told my daughter to say NOTHING to ANYONE! I remember a post that jokingly admitted as a Rho Chi when she found out who a top PNM really liked, she would either sneak back to her house or place a call and tell someone in the chapter. (Can't remember who-don't want to know)
Maybe it's just one of those "facts of life" that we all have to learn to work around. No matter where you go, what you do, there will ALWAYS be people trying to get the upper hand, the edge so to speak. As long as people in the position of power are suspect (and that includes everyone from a chapter's officers to alums) nothing can change.
When you can't get people to abide by the rules of any given "society" out of character and good conscience, then you
MUST turn to a method of penalization that hurts more than a slap on the wrist.

Justamom - your point is good and i can see it clearly. however, I still think that PXs need to do a better job as a recruitment counselor to PNMs and not a liason between PNMs and their chapter. I have two experiences w/ PXs and both were compltely wonderful girls who tried to make sure the girls in her group were making good decisions on all chapters. its a shame it goes on like it did there but in defense, its going to happen sooner or later even though it shouldnt. to all potential PXs: completly dissaffialte w/ your chapter until bid day so that everyone has the same shot at the same chapters.

As a greek advisor, I know unfortunately that things like this do happen for both the men and women in recruitment...you think the ladies have it bad...you should hear some of the things the mens groups say/do.

One thing that I would do...and I don't know the specifics of the campus you are talking about, is to notify the greek advisor, student activities office, or some other impartial party that is hopefully overseeing this process. What some have described would indeed be recruitment violations, so those individuals, and those chapters need to be held acountable for their bad/wrong behavior.

I don't know 1) if there is a Greek Advisor, or 2) what the relationship is like with that individual if there is one...but they would definately (I hope) want to be aware of this situation, so they could put a stop to it now, and make some valid assesments for change for the next year.

Thanks for listening.

Opie--

Unfortunately, the Greek Advisor heard what was said and did nothing. This greek advisor is horrible, so nothing was going to be done. Last year, one sorority had 6 recruitment infractions filed against them, and NOTHING happened.

I find it very sad that poor PXs are resulting in some of the experiences described here....especially chapter's closing!

My suggestion for Greek Life Coordinators is to get PXs from neighboring universities that do not belong to chapters of the GLOs on your campus. Or pull them from GC :) Seriously, I feel that I could say nice, generally educated things about every PHC sorority to a PNM. :)

(PX, PNM, GLO, PHC....four acronyms in one post..whooo! :) )

in a related rant
 

the Rho Gammas on our campus are basically the members of PHC Board. (Except us since we don't participate in formal recruitment.) FOrmal recruitment begins this weekend but we had a small orientation the weekend before school starts for new frosh and transfers to check out all the organizations and campus activities. One of the more popular seminars was the "Go Greek" seminar. There was a rep from PHC, IFC, and the GA, and I think someone from an NPHC org. We weren't asked to have a rep from our group to say something about locals on campus so everything the new students heard came from the others.

Someone asked a question about locals in the seminar. THe PHC member said that the local organization on campus was a sorority without any rules (i am sure she meant we don't follow typical PHC bylaws, but many thought she meant locals were running wild on campus) AND the thing that really pissed our girls off was she said that the local sorority on campus was becoming national. We have no, NONE, intention of bringing another national org on campus nor becoming national ourselves. (We opened up a chapter at another school, which may have brought up that topic.) But we had PNMs walking up to us and asking us "So what do they mean that you guys don't have rules?" or "If I join now, are you gonna be something else later?"

If you are going to try and represent all organizations, make sure you have your facts straight before you speak... that's all.

I'm spent. :D

I hope Tom E. doesn't get a hold of this thread, he would just have a field day as to the whole point of whether there is really a need for such rush people!

Almost all the women going through rush are "adults", shouldn't we start treating them like adults. Think about it this way, if there is a good open house/overview of the Greek system and detail information on each group, before the recruitment parties, is there really a need for Rho Chis?

And the whole thing about saying bad things about other groups that is not dirty rushing it is saying bad things about other groups, and should be reported to the Panhel officer/judiciary not the Greek Advisor. Hello, isn't the whole point of having a Panhel is to promote Greek life. If the Panhel officers will not do anything, then its time to report to your nationals and NPC.

Part of what Rho Chis do is simply administrative. If you have a group of women who need to go to different parties all over a campus they barely know, it's helpful to have a guide physically show you where they are. And then when it's time to bid, they explain how it works, for example. If you present all the info up front, some of it will be lost before the end of the process.

They also take some work off the Greek Life Office/Panhel's hands. Issuing invitations, talking to girls who are being cut, and telling girls they didn't get bids is very time-consuming.

The rest of the duties evolved out of that. There's no reason a Rho Chi has to take you all out to dinner. But if a Rho Chi is there, it's inevitable that sooner or later someone is going to ask her a question or look for moral support.

The Rho Chi's/Rho Gammas do actually do help a lot administratively as well during fromal recruitment...that probably actually is where most of their time will be spent the weeks leading up to and during recruitment.

Another important reason for Rho Gamma's is to give that emotional support and encouragement that some of the PNM's may need. It helps on retention....and I think anyone who has helped out during the formal recruitment process knows that retention for the week is an important thing....if PNM's are not retained, and a lot of women drop, or get droped last minute, it could really through off the whole quota system....not that we want to get into the whole quota debate...but just another factor to think about when considering the usefulness of rho gammas.

As far as women (and men) being grown adults, I absolutely agree, however, I do work on a college campus and maybe it's just my campus, but believe me they do need that extra bit of guidance to help them out.

We are also dealing with a generation of college students that have been programed, signed-up, and active in numerous organizations by the time they reach college (by their parents). Students (generally speaking) of this generation also might have the MOST involved parents of any previous generation since the 1950's!

So some (not all) may need that extra guidance (because they are used to it, and have had it throughout their lives)....and if the women are trained properly, and people hold each other accountable the rho gamma system should be able to function better, and with less back fighting and name calling...but that would be in a perfect world....wouldn't it?

Thanks for listening.

fuzziealum - you're right, they do have a lot of duties that are vital to the entire rush process and yes they are suppose to be there for moral support and so on, but the issue lies in the area of influencing the PNM's decision concerning one sorority or another. it's not the PX's place to tell a PNM anything at all about any of the sororities, yet they still do. that is where the problem comes in. my PX finally warmed up to me towards the end of rush, but she did screw my chances at her sorority as well as another. once she had a good idea of where most of the girls would end up and found out that we knew where she was affiliated, she became very nice to everyone.

shelley j
sigma k

What, the UF PX's not being unbiased?!?!?! You're kidding me!!!! :rolleyes:

:mad: Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. In my four years in undergrad, I learned VERY quickly to not trust the PX's at UF at all. We were a struggling chapter and it was so frustrating to work so hard at rush, and then find out from our new member classes that their PX's told them things like we were the smallest chapter on campus (which wasn't true until the last year).

Or even worse, total lies - I had one rushee ask me what kind of trouble did we get in that they had to kick out so many people (no trouble! we never had a single risk management, etc. problem).

Every year we had rushees say that the PX's told them we were getting kicked off campus. My senior year, our two PX's came back to the house in tears after hearing some of their fellow PX's say so many nasty things about us all week.

Delta Zeta, I wish you the best of luck. UF's greek system is not for the faint of heart. There's some good people, true, but unfortunately there's also a lot of people that I would never trust.

Reading all the PX stories was so unbelievable! My PX this year was sooo awesome. I had known her affiliation and just to see how pumped she would get for every party was amazing. She would run around screaming "30 SECONDS LADIES!!!!" and just make everyone soooo nervous because she made it seem to easy. She knew I knew which sorority was in and even offered to have me talk with someone else in case I felt I couldn't confide in her and I told her I felt completely confident in her and that if I could I'd have her as a big sis, because she made greek life awesome as did all the other PXs. Hopefully there are more happy PX stories out there compared to bad ones. They really help to put the rush stress at bay and to make it a nice time

When we would select our Rho Chi's, they would disaffiliate completely from the sorority until bids were distributed. It was very hard on them. One day I was wearing letters and saw a sister of another sorority who was a rho chi. She said that she couldn't hang out with anyone in letters even if they weren't hers because it might influence the rushees. The rho chis didn't attend their chapter meetings or dinners or anything. They all hung out with each other. I never heard of any of the problems that you are experiencing. I guess that I was lucky.

The rho chis shouldn't report back to their chapters what the PNMs said about them because it could definitely affect the outcome of the recruitment process. I figure a rho chi is like a priest, and anything that a PNM says during rush is confidential. :)

Ah newsun, sometimes bliss is a breautiful thing!

The Pan HELL does more to deter the growth of of new Soroitys on a school campus! Let us protect our little group on Campus!

Why do not they grow up and find out that that dam not all womeen on campi find that the Soroitys are all the right ones for them?

It is an economic and ergonmic situation! Live or die by getting off of the Duff!

Rush get new members or be gone!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the Chapers choice, not some nebulas person sitting on a dam throne some where deciding you life!

I want to rush, but, I am a legacy and my Soroity is not there!
I want to rush, but they are all Blondes!
I want to rush but I do not like any of the people there!

Just Whom makes up the P Hell? members of the Soroity Greeks!

Get with the Program and change it!

Hell, I wanted to be a rocket man! Well, I am not that dam smart so I am not!

I took a battery of test one time and the only thing I was not qualifies for was being a Brain Sturgeon!

Yepo, That is wat I wanted to be! Also mechanically Challenged:D

Well so much for the life af an intern of life!

TOM! ROFLMAO!!!:D

Funny Stuff! LOL! Much truth!

Mr. Earp,

While I usually agree with you (and always respect your opinion regardless), I'm going to have to voice my disagreement with you on this one. I refer you to the conclusion reached on your "Sorority Quotas?" thread. Men should not attempt to understand NPC Recruitment because they will not be able to comprehend it. Sure, to men, it looks stupid on the outside. But from the inside we can see that it works when the system is not abused.

I'm going to say that again.

It works when the system is not abused.

I would even go so far as to say that it works very well when the system is not abused. It gets the job done. Recruitment Counselors, whatever we call them from campus-to-campus, are an integral part of the system.

There was a thread last year about the large number of unmached PNMs at one school with a very large Greek system. I do not remember the school; perhaps it could have been that there were several such threads. Regardless, the number of bidless PNMs is not the problem. It is merely the most visible symptom of the problem. The problem could be that the school needs to expand, or that the campus Panhellenic needs to raise chapter total, or that chapters need to utilize snap bidding, quota additions, or release figures more prudently. Whatever the case, the number of bidless PNMs (to continue with this example), can be reduced without saying, "To hell with the system, let's free-for-all!"

And honestly, that's what NIC rush seems like to me and many of my fellow Greek women: a free-for-all. The dirty rushing that goes on with fraternities is of a completely different nature than that which goes on in sororities. If we had a system like yours, it would be an even bigger mess than it is now. We'd kill each other.

I invite you to read through some of the rush threads on here where the PNMs talk about how fabulous and supportive their Recruitment Counselors have been. My personal theory is that for every bad Recruitment Counselor, there are at least two good ones. This thread is for venting, primarily. Look at the thread title.

And I can say that in the past year, our campus panhellenic has done more to encourage the growth of the Greek system on my campus than they've done to harm it. They certainly helped our chapter quite a bit. So I'd suggest that you hesitate to criticize something that you don't understand.

Thank you.

Respectfully,
KKC

First off, while I admit that I did not read through the total Post, before I go any further, Mr. Is my Father.

While I am Mature, I try my best Not To Be Old! Of course that may be a matter of oppinion!

Yes, I totally disagree with what the PAN Hell says!

Our NEW Greek Life Event Cooredinater and I got into a discussion at Our Local Mentoring Session of which she attended on her own time on a weekend spent the time with us!

She is a DZ from our most hatted rival in sports and one of my ex colleges was a very enlightening people in the Greek Life Part of My College in a long time and I salute her!

Yes it is abused when No other Soroity can come on a Campus because the Chapters cannot fill the QUOTAS!

Do We as Greeks Want to Protect our little feifdom or let the Greek Societys Grow!

I have 2 questions:

Are You afraid of competition?

Do You fear for your Chapters long termness?

We of the NIC stand on what we do, not what someone tries to protect us with!


Do Or Die, LX! If we do not make it,we are gone!

Do it or get the heck off and dont impede the Greek World. We have enuff enimies in the world of non beleivers!

Get with it, do not You see that we as Greeks are becoming less and less!

Yes, not all are up to snuff. They all have their adgenda as they ar human and BIAS!

Do you see the point!

Not All are bisas!

Why in the heck do they put a member of Sorority through that anyway!?

You as A Soroity annailinate a member of your Org so that everything can be on the and up!

Sorry, but BS! Why do that to one of your Sisters?

Cruel and inhuman punishment animal or a Sister!

Get off your toad stool and see real life!

I live in Kansas, what part of never land do you live in?

Well, I think, I will go have fish and chips for dinner and hope I do not screw up the Chips!:D


No Offense given, and hope no offense taken!

Are there statistics to back up your statement that the greek system as a whole is declining? If so, where are they located? Just curious.