closed chapters?
 

Is there any record of all the chapters that are closed during a year for hazing or questionable actions? I keep seeing stuff on greeklife about different ones that were and it makes me really wonder. New ones open every year, but are we gaining or losing?

I think we are losing . . over all.

Although I don't have empirical evidence of it.

The best way to get information may be to contact the major umbrella groups.

Nicindy.org

and

the link for NPC. I keep forgetting it.

I am sure they keep track :).

Otherwise you probably have to contact each organization individually . . .

But you could do it pretty quickly with emails . . . in about 10 minutes.

The link to the NPC site isL

www.npcwomen.org

Re: closed chapters?
 

Let me guess--you want to post something about Sigma Theta.

Re: Re: closed chapters?
 

I think the runaway commas gave it away...maybe not on this thread...but the Baylor one. ;)

Re: Re: Re: closed chapters?
 

I am not sure who is making me laugh harder... OTW or my fellow sister Ms. Carnation!!!!!

Let's start to count: here's a possible No. 1
 

9/7/02
ORONO — Investigators looking into the cause of a fire that damaged a University of Maine fraternity house found dozens of stolen signs from highways, construction sites and businesses across Maine.

Altogether, 56 signs worth about $10,000 were seized from the Sigma Alpha Epsilon house, said Sgt. Stewart Jacobs of the state fire marshal's office

Re: Let's start to count: here's a possible No. 1
 

Relatively amused...i wonder how long it took to get that size collection....

and they did have some nice sign's in their house... but yeah its a pretty big thing here in Maine that most of the frat house's do have road signs in their houses but it is rare that it has anything to do with hazing most of the brothers find street signs with their names on it and just take it down at night if they really want it and then show it off... ok sorry for the rambling... but as for the fire it was electrical and was not hazing... hope that helps a little

That's my impression as well.

About four years ago at Karnea (our international conference) during the opening session, they had the chapter consultants go around the ballroom and remove the banners from closed chapters.

Here's the math:

Karnea happens every other year.

We can colonize or recolonize three chapters per year (average).

We closed eleven chapters in the two years prior to that Karnea.

To be fair, though, I think things have gotten better recently, and I wasn't able to attend last Karnea, so again, this is only my impression.

Re: closed chapters?
 

Losing, but national orgs won't admit it. Even if the national colonized 3 new chapters a year and closed 2 they would still be losing. The old chapters are a hell of a lot more valuable than the new ones. If a national shuts down a 150 year old chapter with 100 actives, 3000 alumni, and a 3 million dollar house and then they colonize a new chapter with 40 actives and no house that isn't exactly even swap.

I think average chapter size is also down. Even if the org has 10% more chapters they could be losing ground if the average chapter size is down by more than 10%.

Max,

Good point. I suspect that's why we see a lot of the older, bigger schools being recolonized. At least that's the way it appears to me.

That way, that alumni base you talk about, although interrupted, is still there.

I could be wrong but I think I read somewhere on the NPC site that NPC numbers are actually up.

Also most of the groups here are thinking about the numbers purely in NIC/NPC/NPHC terms but the past 10 years have really shown the growth of the Multicutural GLO's that aren't on the three major governing councils. So maybe the growth of these organizations may make up the difference.

I just heard that our gross numbers are up -- but number of chapters is still down. Good recruiting/rush I guess.

Re: Re: closed chapters?
 

Why would you care? You told me you quit your GLO because you didnt want to pay the fees..........So again why would you care if greeks are gaining or losing chapters?

sorry for the hijack

Re: Re: Re: closed chapters?
 

Quit my GLO? What the hell are you talking about? I never told you that. Are you smoking crack?

Because this isnt part of the thread this will be my last post to you here.

you DID tell me that a few months ago when you messaged me out of the blue on AIM. I asked you what GLo you told me and said you werent in it anymore that you had quit because you didnt want to pay the fees, and said it didnt bother you because you were in other things. You also began asking me what I got out of my GLO experience. We also argued about the fees excuse and why when you quit your GLO and seemingly didnt care abotu greek life why you continue to come to GC.

I didnt meant to post it here, but when I tried to respond to your PM your box was full....

Again sorry to hijack, it wont happen again here (not from me anyway).

What the heck does it matter how many get closed:confused:

What the heck does it matter what Organization had the most closings:confused:

The important thing as DeltaAlum said, it costs all of us!

An Old Chapter is closed down, money to the National drops from that Chapter.

A new Chapter is started, how long does it take to get an Alum base buit up to donate to National and the local Chapter!

I am not a rocketteer, but the math seems pretty simple, DA!

Re: Re: Re: Re: closed chapters?
 

Crack is wack. :)

That is total bullshit. There is not a single person on GC that has ever received a AIM from me. I don't even use AIM and why the hell would I IM you in the first place? Post the IM or PM it to me so I can see it. It sure as hell wasn't from me. There are 3 other GC members with the name Madmax and about 10 members with the name Max or Maximus. Mabye one of them AIMd you but it wasn't me. Get your facts straight before you post bullshit like that.

This is the best website i have seen so far that covers death due to hazing related incidents......

Frat/Sor Related Deaths



:(

Reading through that site, many of those aren't hazing related at all. They're *alcohol* related.

We should all understand how not to abuse alcohol. But sometimes it's not something that the organization has any control of. People in college, GLO members or not will always drink to excess. It's just the American way.

But if you look at MGLOs or whatever it is we abbreviate them at, they just don't have large chapters. I think a national sorority with 90 chapters that averages 60 members a chapter is a lot more impressive than one with 160 chapters that averages 9 members a chapter.