Sammies wearing Phi Sig letters
 

This is really disappointing to me...

The Sammy chapter on our campus lost their charter this year- or voluntarily gave it up, the school decided to stop recognizing them so I'm not sure of the specifics of how exactly their charter was returned to HQ, but they are no longer recognized on campus. This comes after two years of probation, after drugs were found in their chapter room, they lit stuff on fire on the quad, and numerous women fueled the "perception" of being roofied at Sammy parties. For the past week, since school started, they have continued wearing their Sammy letters to campus, until Tuesday...

Tuesday is Greek letter day on campus- Greeks wear letters and sign in for points that go towards spirit cups, etc. The Sammy brothers showed up wearing Phi Sigma Sigma letters that had been given to them by sisters who had disaffiliated. All in all, about 20 boys were walking around campus in Phi Sig's letters. It almost made me sick, I was so mad- my best friend is Phi Sig's president, and I KNOW how much those letters mean to those girls. I can't imagine how I would feel if they were walking around wearing AXO letters- and it feels different than if they had ordered them from Greek101 or something- it's so much worse that sisters GAVE these letters to these guys, completely disrespecting this sorority.

I know there has been some discussion about people wearing others' letters, but this is so weird, I wanted to know if any of your respective chapters have ever had the problem of disaffiliated members pulling a stunt like this.... any thoughts?

:mad: Being a Phi Sigma Sigma, this really makes me mad because what right did the Sammies have to wear our letters? even if DISAFFILIATED (meaning no longer part of the org and have no right to make this kind of decision anyway) ladies gave them the shirts. It makes me think that they just did that out of spite. Disrespecting Phi Sig's everywhere by wearing letters that are not theirs. I have never heard of anything like this happening. Maybe beacuse it's not something that should be done. I really hope that the Phi Sig's spoke out about this matter. The Sammies are showing that they have absolutely no respect . Also what was the Phi Sig's reaction and what was done about this??

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Okay, I know that it is not cool to see someone in your letters if they are not in your chapter, but really the letters shouldn't be what mean so much to members... the values should.

If girls gave these letters to the guys, maybe they were just wearing them to show their friendship and to be cute? I know that guys on my campus used to wear their girlfriends' sorority tees all the time.

It would be worse if the guys were actually pretending to be Phi Sigs instead of just wearing the letters, right?

Just curious as to who or what is a Sammie (SP?)

I think that is disrespectful and it seems fairly obvious that they were just trying to be obnoxious. The fact that the letters came from ex sisters only makes my observation more obvious.

I've never heard of guys wearing their girlfriends letters unless it was something like a DG Anchor Splash shirt or something like that.

I just couldn't get into the idea of a guy who wears womens' clothing; be it her high heels, her formal dress or her letters!


Linn, a Sammie is a brother of Sigma Alpha Mu Fraternity

If girls wear guys letters to show friendship, etc... then I think it makes perfect sense that some guys do the same. Maybe that wasn't the case here in this situation, but wearing letters is definitely not comparable to a man in a dress and heels.

2 questions:
-Were the shirts just Phi Sig t-shirts? Or were they like jerseys with big letters on them? because guys wear ZTA shirts all the time if, for example, they came to our semi-formal. but we've never had guys wear our jerseys (except at one of our halloween parties where some guys dressed as girls and stuffed their shirts and wore our jerseys, but then it was just light-hearted fun)

-What were the Sammies hoping to accomplish by this little stunt? Do they have beef with Phi Sig or were they trying to make fun of them? I don't understand what would motivate these guys to do that.:rolleyes:

To clarify: the Phi Sig letters that the boys are wearing are sewn-letter shirts, the kind you are finally allowed to wear at initiation, not party shirts or formal favors. And they are not wearing them to be cute, or show their friendship- they're doing it because they are JERKS and they think it's funny to disrespect a chapter like that. The disaffiliated women were asked to return all Phi Sig paraphanelia, especially letters, to the chapter when they disaffiliated. They said that there were no letters to return, and then gave them to the Sammies because the chapter meant nothing to them anymore. The guys are known to be complete wretched jack*sses and think that the whole thing is one big middle finger to greek life since they've lost their charter.

One of my sisters approached one of the guys and asked what they were doing, and he sneered at her and told her not to be such a bitch, he had Alpha Chi letters too and would wear those if he wanted. JERK.

The Phi Sigs are understandably pissed off and went to the Greek Life director, who is making calls to both Phi Sig and Sammy nationals- even though Sammy isn't formally recognized, their nationals may have something to say about (newly) formaer brothers participating in such activities. Hopefully some good will come out of that... I was under the impression that one could have legal action taken against them for revealing the secrets of a fraternity- and I would hazard a guess that giving away letters may fall under that category, if so desired. What are your nationals' policies?

This is why when someone disaffiliates, you go to their place and COLLECT the paraphernalia, not just let them return it when/if it tickles their fancy. :rolleyes:

AlphaChiS2K:

I am a new graduate student at the school I THINK you are talking about, because I saw a guy wearing Phi Sigma Sigma letters and I got REALLY confused.

Hey, I might see you around campus sometime. You can fill me in on the Greek scene there, because I know nothing.

PhiSigSandy,
I am with you in that it makes me really mad. If it had been done as a fun thing with the okay of the chapter that is one thing. But it seems to me with the reputation that the Sammies have, and the fact disaffiliated sisters gave them the shirts, they did it with malicious intent. I really hope Sammies Nationals look into this even if the charter was pulled, something needs to be done to the individuals involved. I hope our CO will file an official protest with the university.
Now my question is, why choose Phi Sig and not another sorority. Or should we ask which one of the Sammies was just given the boot by a Phi Sig (with good reason probably) and thinks this is a way to get back at her.
Please keep us posted if they University does anything to the Sammies.
Carolyn

uh, i don't see how anything can be done. it was a bunch of guys wearing shirts. the girls can't be punished by nationals or the chapter because they aren't members. i understand it pisses some of you off, but realize nothing can be done, aside from talking to those involved.

Yeah, the girls can't be punished under the "revealing secrets" concept or anything. They owned those shirts and can give them to whomever they please (unlike badges, which are usually considered the property of the fraternity and are "on loan" for the duration of your membership). I am pretty sure the only way that you can legally take back all of their paraphanelia is if you reimburse them the cost and buy it from them. At my chapter, girls who quit always give their badge to a still active member or send it back... we always ask for the other stuff back when people quit but if they don't give it there is nothing we can do.

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AlphaChiS2K-

I know how you feel! I'ts so frustrating! Last year during the Greek Sing competition of Greek Week we had a girl in another sorority that was a Sigma Kappa for a day 2 years ago prancing around on stage in her Sigma Kappa bid day shirt when they got to the part about Sigma Kappa!:mad: :mad: How tacky!! They're usually nice girls, but what they did there...grr!!!! Oh well, we got second place and they weren't even mentioned in the rankings (making them last place or second to last out of 6) so I guess it all worked out! ;) :D :p

How completely disrespectful and STUPID! I mean what the hell, they were just walking around with a sorority's letters? And like someone else said, why Phi Sigma Sigma's? If I were in that Phi Sig chapter at that school I would have confronted them and forced them to take the shirt off! (even in the middle of public, I don't mind causing a scene). And anyway, who in the hell are the Sammies? They sound like shady skeezy guys from the posts I have read. As a Phi Sig, I am really mad! :mad:

I understand the point, I was just making another one in response to her point about punishing them and in response to the self-righteous comments that some people were making. I just feel that, as much as it sucks, you have to understand that things happen that don't always make you happy and not everyone will respect your letters as much as you do no matter how hard you try to make them.

I think what makes me mad here is that these were GREEKS doing it. I don't expect a non-Greek to understand. And hey, if I see a homeless guy in my shirt, at least he has a shirt, you know? Is anyone likely to think he's an AXD, or trying to make fun of us?

As Greeks, even former Greeks, I would expect more of these guys. But then again, maybe their attitude is why they are former Greeks!

What is a Sammie?

Soror, it's slang for Sigma Alpha Mu, an NIC fraternity.

ok, two examples:

for some odd reason a local frat on my campus had their pledges dress up as women and wore white t-shirts with magic markered letters of all the diff. sororities. nothing happened, bc the local isn't even recognized by the college and it was passed over as nothing.

then one thursday when the popular greek bar is packed, a bunch on GDI's (which are totally different then non-greeks. to me, GDI is an organization, mainly made up by the newspaper staff to shine poor light on greeks 24-7...they in essence are a org. to promote cruelty to greeks) showed up at the bar with sewed on letters of all the diff. frats and sororities on campus that they purchased at the book store, and then drank in them in front of all the greeks at the bar. A fight then ensued, resulting in the GDI taken to the hospital. You would think that something would have happened to the GDI's who did this, but nothing did. However, the fraternity guys that sent the GDI to the hospital got arreseted.

Well, this whole thing is upsetting. I'm more mad at the ex Phi sigs than the frat gusy though. I wish people would just disafiliate, and not do such immature things such as give their letters to some frat guys as a prank.

Originally posted by MaxxieAXID

Now, see this is what I am talking about; everyone is getting upset over these "injustices." What exactly would you think would happen to the GDIs? They did nothing against the law... in the United States you can pretty much wear whatever you want, short of indecent exposure. The rule that non-initiated members can not wear letters is a FRATERNITY RULE -- how can you expect people to be punished for breaking a fraternity's rules if they are not members? Of course the fraternity member was arrested... he did break a law. Assault, battery, etc...