Vince Carter- an OMEGA *-*
 

Really? What chapter?

Not sure about what chapter his mother is in..still trying to find out that one. If anyone knows, please share.
Vince was initiated in Omicron Omicron (Daytona Beach, FL).
Thanks for the reply!
Soror Antwinette

Tom Joyner
 

A woman called into the Tom Joyner Show the other day to report this. She said that her husband is a member of the chapter and that they had initiated him the night before. Tom Joyner went on and on about Vince Carter not being "real". He said that he (Tom) would not give Vince "grip" if he saw him. Did anyone else hear this? Tom really went on about it.:rolleyes:

GET A "GRIP"
 

I am sure Vince will be alright if he does not get the GRIP from Tom Joyner. If Tom Joyner has issues with Vince he should have issues with all the Greeks after MIP was established....about 10 years ago!
Never cared for TOM Joyner and his TIRED A$$ show, but now I can honestly and truly say that he is the one that needs to get a "GRIP".
LUVN my VC and AKA
Soror Antwinette

Re: GET A "GRIP"
 

LOL @ Soror Antwinette comments - Preach on soror and love your Vince!

Sphinxpoet

Re: GET A "GRIP"
 

I wonder, Soror, would Tom Joyner give the "grip" to Shaq Daddy, who is also a fraternity brother of TJ and your VC?;) :p

Tom Joyner NEEDS to get a grip. And his show is getting tired. Congrats to Vince! Dang.. Cant the brother just be happy and welcome him into his frat?

That sounds really crazy that Tom would say that "in mixed company." It's one thing to think it, another to say it, but quite another IMO to say it on such an avenue. How sad that he would say. :(

on the outside looking in..
 

fellow Greeks..

Bro. Tom Joyner was wrong for putting the "fake" stuff out in public in a Nationally syndicated show such as his.

There's always more to a situation than the outside eye can see.

The issue with Vince is that he had the opportunity to cross at UNC on the same line as the starting pt guard on his UNC team, Bro. Shammond Williams.

Vince had the grades to do it.. but chose to go the Grad route. That's the reason why Tom was saying that there'd be no 'instant love' for Vince.. (which all the Bruhs subscribe too anyway).

The rest of the who's and what's and what happened when Vince was at UNC will remain in the realm of Omega. But, VC is a initiated member of the world's greatest fraternal order of college educated men..

Re: on the outside looking in..
 

I totally understand the point you made and "figured" there had to be more to the story. Thanks for clarifying because you did not have to do that.

CONGRATULATE...DON'T HATE
 

Greeks,
There is always another viewpoint to a story. HOWEVER, Vince is an OMEGA now, so what is the big deal? It does not make a difference whether he did it Undergrad or Grad. I CROSSED into AKA as an undergrad soror (Sp. '89) and very blessed to have that opportunity, but I know people go Graduate for many reasons.
What has me curious is the above quote about "ALL BRUHS SUBSCRIBE TO IT ANYWAY" What exactly does that mean.? Just need some clarification on that so that I do not assume. I could assume a lot, but would probably get some hate mail, so I rather keep those comments to myself.
I just do not get the HATING that people get when they are initiated into Sororities and Fraternities these days. We all have Membership Intake now and Vince would have had Membership Intake regardless of whether he was Undergrad or Grad..he is only 25.
But anywhoooo, CONGRATS to ALL MAN...ALL AMAZING! I hope to see him play a few times this year. After seeing him play again in August, I could see the gleam back in his eyes. If Vince displays his affiliation with Omega, I am sure some of the HATING BRUHS will enjoy the publicity and stop hating....at least for 5 seconds.
AKAnVA
...LUVN VC and my 20 PEARLS
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Uh, Swamp, are you sure about the same line as Shammond? He crossed in '95 when I was at UNC, and wasn't even on campus when Vince came to UNC, so that might be incorrect.

Nikki
 

Shammond was one year ahead of Vince academically. When Shammond was a academic senior, Vince was a junior (the year he left for the NBA draft)

huh? hatin'?
 

I'm confused about the hating comment. Being famous as a candidate means nothing to the Brotherhood. When a famous person completes MIP, inside the circle of Omega, said person is not (for example), Vince Carter NBA Basketball star. Said person would be Bro. Vincent Carter Omicron Omicron chapter '02.

Once again without going too much into the culture of Omega, our Fraternity prefers that brothers come in through the undergrad chapter at their university if that option existed for them. That goes for any Man. All candidates seeking membership through a Grad Chapter get a 'background' check through Bruhs from the chapter of the candidates university to see if/why said person showed interest while in school or to find out what factors were the cause of said person not gaining interest in Omega at the undergrad level.

It could be something, for example, as simple as the candidate showed interest in another org. Can't speak for the other D9, but we don't allow candidates membership into Omega if they showed formal interest in another org. Sometimes, dudes want to try Omega after they've graduated because they logically think that a Grad Chapter won't know that they tried to be out for (inter another fraternity here) as an undergrad.

-- that was just an example. bottom line.. outside the Org there's the trappings of fame for certain Bruhs, but inside the org, all those trappings are non-existant due to our duties and love to and from one brother to another... If you don't have the '4', you don't get the '20'.. and if you don't exemplify the '20', you don't get the LOVE..

last point and general reference info
 

There is always another viewpoint to a story. HOWEVER, Vince is an OMEGA now, so what is the big deal? It does not make a difference whether he did it Undergrad or Grad.

For future reference... In our org, just being IN the org is not the end all. There's nothing worse than being an outcast in your own family. That might sound a little drastic and colorful, but there are a lot of strangers among the friends of Omega.

We have a doctrine titled "Members Vs Men"... all Omegas know that just being a 'member' is worse than if you never entered the gates of Omega at all...

Swamp Thang
 

Questions: (the preference thing)

Sooooooo, why do you all extend membership on the graduate level? Why not have graduate chapters for everyone (UGs) to transfer after they have completed school or whatever?

If a school does not have a UG chapter, then is that the only time when it is okay to seek membership on the graduate level?

When you said "our fraternity", does that mean that your national leaders agree and ultimately support this preference?

:confused:

Grad Membership
 

All Grad Chapters in Omega do NOT extend membership in the form of having membership intake.

When most Grad Chapters (including my own, Alpha Phi, Birmingham Grad) have intake, the candidates are selected from guys to mail letters of interest to the chapter mailbox.

We have an intake about every 4 years at the Grad Chapter of my affiliation. Membership is offered only to those who didn't have the opportunity to enter the gates of Omega via the undergrad route :

1.) the chapter at your campus was suspended during all your non-freshman years.

2) Your campus didn't have an Omega Chapter.

Man isn't perfect and these guidelines aren't foolproof. Some have slipped through the cracks... But, that's the normal statutes most Grad Candidates must pass to get the opportunity. Also, usually, a Grad Candidate (at our chapter) is ineligible until he's been a graduate for 4 calendar years. And Grad candidates, since they are much more experienced in life than 19-22 year old undergrads, have to demonstrate their accomplishments and deeds (service) to a high degree to get "the vote".

Re: Grad Membership
 

oh...okay! I guess. So you're basically speaking from your chapter's way of doing things and not necessarily that of Omega Psi Phi, Inc?

You don't have to answer. Really, you don't.

as far as our National Officers... They don't have an official stance on UG or Grad intake... It's just part of the 'culture' of the Fraternity.

To make it clearer: Nationally, we have nothing written anywhere that speaks on Gold Boots, feeding and taking care of visiting Brothers needs, our style of marching (stepping for the rest of the D9, etc... Those things are a part of our Fraternity's culture.

The Hook-Up
 

Hey AKAnVA!

Vince's ace is on GC (in the Omega forum).
You are now just an email away from your HONEY DO! :p

Talk about six degrees of seperation! :eek:

omega's business
 

I guess basically what it boils down to is...let the brothers handle Vince the way the see fit. Whether anyone agrees with their stance or not, many brothers do feel this way. Although I personally think it is more about what you do when you're in the organization, rather than how you get in, I am a Delta, not an Omega. Any man who researches Omega before attempting to join, or even talks to the brothers will get a sense of how they feel about going grad vs. undergrad.

My uncle pledged Omega graduate chapter. He did it because he was 38 when he graduated from college and did not want to go the undergrad route at that age.

At the Boule, who would know if you crossed G or UG?

So, I know that this is an OLD thread, but does this issue extend to all men that pledge graduate or just Vince Carter?

I ask because it seems that no one has mentioned having a problem with Shaquille (sp?) O'Neal and I believe that he pledged graduate as well.

I dunno, but Tom Joyner still sucks.

:)

wow
 

llllllllllllloooooooooolllllllllll - now thats what i like - take up for your man

Wow, I know this is an old thread...and it's been over seven years since we came into Omega, but as the Ace of that line...I will say that SOME of us went through a process, but all of us were read in together.

The one thing I love about my Fraternity is that no matter how you may come in...time will tell where your heart is. In my humble opinion, Omega Psi Phi is the most challenging organization to be a part of b/c the true initiation begins once you enter the fold...and the weak will not tarry.

I hope that we as Colored folk start focusing on the things that really matter...and not whether or not someone actually pledged a damn fraternity!!

I'm not coming to anyone's defense, but I would like to challenge how we as Blacks place our priorities on what is truly important.

We are losing Black men by the minute (to the streets, prisons...dropping out of the educational system). Black men are constantly being emasculated by society as well as within their own race. We have started to attach their identity to foolishness...and it is almost expected for them to perpetuate the stereotypes...however, there are so many other intrinsic things that define a Black man.

Bro. Joyner's comments were juvenile and lacked caution and discernment...hence the reason why Omega's business is constantly on discussion boards...or in gossip sessions.

I recognize Vince and Shaq as Omega Men...and if there are any questions or concerns, perhaps one should sit down and speak with them...man-to-man.

Anyway, have a Merry Christmas Everyone...

Thanks for the the clarification.

Translation:

Vince didn't have a process like some of us did. But, ignore that information that I volunteered for the general public in an old thread. How you came in doesn't matter although I prefaced my post with how I came in versus how Vince came in. But, it doesn't matter. I promise. We're all bonded despite the fact that years later I still preface my discussion of my "LB" with the "SOME of us pledged" disclaimer. Tom Joyner's comments were juvenile and lacked caution and discernment but mine certainly don't. I didn't help to put Omega business on discussion boards and gossip sessions. This old and dormant thread really needed me to speak on something that no one cares about. I rep for mineS, homie.

*collapses*

*catching my breath from laughing so much*

One of the best GC posts EVER.