Resigning From Organization then Joining Another?
 

What are everyone's thoughts on people resigning from one organization and then joining another?

I do not see any conversations about it anywhere so I thought I would bring it up.

I personally know about 10-15 people that went from a Local to NPHC, from NIC/NPC to NPHC, etc.

Opinions? Is there ever a good reason? Also, would you ever consider someone who resigned from one organization if they were a "perfect candidate" (perfect is defined as exactly what you would be looking for)?

It depends on many things. If one has been initiated in an NPC org, you are not allowed to join another NPC org ever. A local may be inclined to take you as most don't have this rule. NPHC groups also have rules against taking previous members of NIC or NPC groups. Other councils have varying rules.

Do some campuses/chapters ignore the rules? Sure. But one can't be sure that will have. As the old saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

My organization would not consider anyone who was initiated into any other college fraternity. The only exception is the initiation of members in locals which we colonize. I can't speak for NPHC groups. I can tell you I've poked around a few of their websites and you can fill out an interest form online. Be honest about your NIC experience and see how many respond to you. If one does, their new member criteria are their own concern.

If the NPHC organization allows new members who are former members of an NIC group, fine. If not, then your relationship with this new organization is based upon a lie. I stand by my previous advice in that you can still be a valuable member to your NIC group. You made a promise. That should count for something.

Oh this is no reference to my previous post. I've made the decision to not leave. I will instead continue to make my organization better and teach my chapter to be more tolerant and well-rounded people.

It is not necessarily what "I" want to do but I realize that this isn't about "I" it's about them and I will continue to do all I can for them.

This was more so a general topic starter because it happens ALOT

Alpha Phi Alpha does not allow that.

Brothers who knowingly allow their friends to do that are trash. You will probably be expelled from the fraternity if it is discovered that you helped an ineligible candidate make it through.

Socials vs non-socials.
 

In *general*, I believe that the groups which would be called social including those described as ethnically social care, but *most* others don't (not sure about the music fraternity groupings).

My rule of thumb among non-locals is that if group A would accept someone who was an active member of group B, then it would accept someone who had resigned from group B *and* vice versa.

I think YMMV with music fraternities. I'm a member of an NIC group, but had a music scholarship in college, so I existed in that world as well. I believe we had some dual members in music fraternities and NIC/NPC groups, but I'm not sure whether anyone telephoned the home office of any of those groups.

Let's turn this around (more or less). Does anyone know of any two single-sex Greek Letter Organizations that one can belong to simultaneously?

Gamma Sigma Sigma and an NPC org, if the woman could handle the time commitments of the two groups.

I've seen dual memberships in NIC/NPC and music fraternities.

A friend of mine is an alumna of Alpha Gamma Delta and Sigma Alpha Iota.

Gamma Sigma Sigma is not women only. It had to go co-ed just like Alpha Phi Omega. They refer to their male members informally as "mister sisters". I believe some chapters are still all women though.

That also depends a LOT on the campus and how "social" the GSS chapter is. I mean technically you always could, but technically you can do a lot of things that don't happen in practice.

Same thing with Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma, the music service fraternity and sorority. On some campuses, like my undergrad, there's only one and that's the one everyone joins regardless of their gender. At other schools, they self-segregate by gender. Both of these also allow dual membership in a social GLO as far as I know.

True. Theoretically APO and GSS should be in similar situations, but I wonder how much the fact that APO had 13 of 14 founders as members of Social Fraternities affected things. I have no idea how many of the women in the 7 founding chapters of Gamma Sigma Sigma were also in Social Sororities.

I'm a Gamma Sig alum from the 60's. We always had members from social sororities. Some of them were very active - even to the extent of holding high officer positions such as service vice president and pledge trainer.

Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma allow members of NPC/NIC/NPHC groups to joint. There have been many KDs from my chapter who belonged to one or the other of these 2 groups.

Found something interesting this morning in terms of mutual non-membership among Professional Fraternities.

At least as of 2001, Theta Tau Professional Engineering Fraternity had the following on its "Competitive List", which means that dual membership is not allowed:
Alpha Chi Sigma (chemistry)
Alpha Omega Epsilon (engineering sorority)
Alpha Rho Chi (architecture)
Kappa Eta Kappa (electrical engineering)
Phi Sigma Rho (engineering sorority)
Scarab (architecture)
Sigma Beta Epsilon (engineering sorority)
Sigma Phi Delta (general engineering)
Sigma Rho (mining, geology, metallurgy)
Triangle (general engineering, science, & architecture)

Sigma Alpha Iota has membership exclusivity policies with three other fraternities only: Delta Omicron, Mu Phi Epsilon, and Phi Beta. If you're a woman and a member of a sorority/fraternity other than one of those three, we welcome you with open arms. Our current National President is a sister of an NPC organization, as is at least one of our Regional Officers. One of the sisters in my collegiate chapter is also a Delta, as are some of the sisters from other chapters in our province/state. And, of course, I have sisters in SAI who are also sisters and brothers of Tau Beta Sigma and Kappa Kappa Psi.

I'd love to see the membership exclusivity diagram among the National Interfraternity Music Council...

As far as I can tell, its something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/gKzlMVu.jpg

TBS/KKPsi elaboration - If you were initiated into TBS and you transfer to a school that doesn't have TBS but does have KKPsi, you can't be an Active Member but you can be an Associate member. It also works if you were Active KKPsi and transfer to a school that only has TBS.
* Sources: (TBS/KKPsi)

I know that Business Fraternities (for example Delta Sigma Pi) have many members who are also initiated into NIC/NPC chapters. Seems very common.

So to boil it down, you can be Initiated as a student into *one* of ΚΚΨ/ΤΒΣ and *one* of the other five (with a few special cases).

I did this. Kind of.

Here is what happened. I was recognized as having Prodigious Mind Syndrome, at a very young age. I got to go to a fancy college, and, earned an advanced degree(a couple, actually) when I was only around 3, or, 4. So, whichever society I joined, on account of my ancestry, was just at that college.

Then, when I was around 10, or, 11, I had to go, again, to a different college, to prove that my earlier degrees were no fluke. Easy, peasy, lemon-squeezy. That was easy as. So, I joined a fraternity there, based on my ancestry, again. I did this, again, a few years later, around age 16, and, joined a different fraternity. They had the same public letters, but, it was a completely different fraternity. This is on purpose. No two are the same.

So, I had the opportunity to go, again, at a normal college age, and, wanted that experience. Well, when I got to that campus, all, except one, of the fraternities, there, were notebooked. So, instead of joining the local fraternity which had the same public letters as the other fraternity I joined, I opted to join a different one, one that was just being started.

This is fine, because, notebooked orders are imitation orders, at best. Not real fraternities, not real orders of their "parent" organization, and, typically, filled with total asshats who give Greek Life a bad name.

So, anyway, this colony gets initiated, and, they go all out. They have a mock ceremony, for everyone, and, then a private ceremony, for their "real brothers." I found this out later.

Well, I quit this "fraternity", transferred (for the first of 27 times), re-joined the second fraternity I joined (being older while pledging changes the experience, completey. I was regular brother, not the younger brother.) So, anyway, both national organizations were made aware of these incidents.

This is allowed. If you joined a gypsy fraternity, you can still join my fraternity, if you qualify. Also, if you were from a notebook order, you can join, because, notebooks fail to fully initiate their brothers.

If anyone remembers the name of the fraternity (I thought) I joined, and, from which I demitted, I hope he will keep it a secret.

I am, and, remain, a brother of the Sigma Chi Fraternity.

In Hoc Signo Vinces.

(I figured this one long post would be better than making a new thread. I was planning to reveal this, anyway, but, found this thread.)

Notebook? I have no idea what all that means.

Alpha Phi Omega, back when it was all male. You could also join an IFC group, although it apparently did not usually work out. From what I'm told.

None of this makes a damned bit of sense. I seriously call bull$hit.

Leslie Odom Miller is an NPC member? Which one? I know she's a member of a band Fraternity - I can't remember if it's KKPsi or TBS.

Yup! Leslie is a Tri-Delta. When she was the speaker for Rho A/B Province Day in 2015, when Epsilon Chi at Mississippi State hosted, after the day's festivities had officially ended a pretty large group of us went out to eat at a local Mexican restaurant and she came along as well. There was actually a group of Mississippi State Tri-Deltas there at the same time and she said hello to them as their sister too! I remember already knowing she was NPC affiliated, and I think I recognized that they were there before even going into the restaurant because of the decal on one of the vehicles outside. We sat in the same part of the restaurant that the Tri-Delta girls were already seated in, which made it easy for her to do that.

Being in both Alpha Phi Omega and a Social Fraternity goes back *all* the way to the beginning. Of the 14 founders, 8 were active brothers of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, 5 were active brothers of a local social fraternity called Krescents (that a year later became a Kappa Delta Rho chapter) and 1 was an independent and all as far as I know stayed active in their social fraternity as well. Not sure when the first occurence of joining Alpha Phi Omega first and then joining a social, but I'd bet *quite* early.

Whether A Phi O membership + social GLO membership varies widely from campus to campus, and also from person to person.
(Even if it's super fine on your campus and you consistently blow off one for the other, it's not going to work.) But then again, that's true in any case of dual membership.

I think you dropped the word "works" before varies, but I agree on the principle. I'm talking about the rules and history of the organization, not whether it is going to work for one particular student at one particular school. My degree is a bachelors in math, not a doctorate in Psych. :)

More than likely, is my WAG.

I pledged a local that, about a year after I was initiated, became a chapter of AEPhi. One of the women who founded the local is an APO brother. I'm sure she's not the first brother to found a new social GLO (a local or a chapter of a national GLO) but I'd be interested to know who was... and which GLO.

Well, it is all true. I could less what someone from the internet thinks.

You should kill yourself.

You are embarrassment to Theta, and, far from a lady.

An order/charge/chapter/whatever is said to be "notebooked," or, a "note-book order" if their ritual books are spiral bound, like a notebook. They are in the dark (i.e. missing significant portions of their rituals)

WOW! Are you allowed to interact with other people in the real world? "You should kill yourself" REALLY?

He's mentally ill, I believe.

That said, we're only going to tolerate so much of that nonsense.

Well, my expectation is a) given that APO didn't allow women until 1976 (as full brothers) that it was probably a fraternity and b) That it has happened, simply because of the tens of thousands of men who have been chartering brothers for a social GLO between 1925 and 1976, the chances that all of them were not APO is small.

Beyond that, I'm not sure where to research that, the Alpha Phi Omega national magazine might or might not cover that, but perhaps the magazines for the individual social fraternities.