YESSS! I think we're getting nationals!!!
 

Yesss! For those who have followed the 2-year thread about those awful, hazing locals at the college where I teach--the president just stopped a professor who's NPHC and told her he wants to bring in nationals! We are so stoked!:)

The kids in the groups are great, they just think they have to act like high school sororities might and they don't know any better. I don't know whether nationals will be brought in to colonize independently of the locals or they'll absorb the locals.

There's work to be done!:D

Congrats, good luck, and yayyyyy!

Congratulations! Has there been any talk about what groups are going to come to campus? Or has it not gotten that far yet? Keep us updated!!

No idea yet--I just contacted NPC and the other lady contacted NPHC and her group.:)

I do think that if nationals are brought in independently of the locals, the locals will die soon. Women just aren't going to put up with those groups' crap if they can be treated with respect. The locals were given several chances to reform but they kept hazing openly and maybe the president has just had it.:( I sure have. Several of the professors just knew we'd end up on the Atlanta news being blasted by one of the investigative reporters if the hazing continued.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that the traditional Southern sororities would have the best shot due to area alum support.

YAY! If I had energy I'd be doing the Happy Dance. Oh well, I'm Happy Dancing in spirit, anyway.

It's about freaking time.

You go NPC. Get their butts onto campus ASAP.

Any idea for which sororities there is lots of alumnae support in the area?

These kids need all the TLC they can get.

Is this just NPC or NIC too?

I'm almost starting to sound like Earp here.

Oooh, shiny.

Go National GLOs!!!
 

carnation,
Congratulations, I love to hear about national GLOs expanding! I really do believe they add so much to campus life.
I was advising for my chapter on a small campus a few years ago and I witnessed 60 year old locals die because they refused to stop hazing. They had all sorts of reasons other than their own actions that they blamed for their dwindling numbers. One popular theory of theirs was that women were joining NPC orgs due to the "money" that NPC orgs were pouring into our chapters! This, of course, was far from the truth. (It'd be nice, but NPC orgs do not usually hand out diamond rings and cars on Bid Day). They absolutely refused to be honest about their own actions and how absolutely crazy and cruel they were. Thank goodness women just refused to put up with it and left.
It's really not very panhellenic of me, but it used to make me crazy that we had formal rush with them. It would make my skin crawl as the Rho Chis would explain to the pnms how sororities do not support hazing, that it is, in fact, illegal. I knew this was true for our NPC orgs but not for the locals. Our only recourse was to develop a "what is hazing?" program for the pnms which gave them examples of hazing and numbers to call if any such situation arose.

At any rate, I relate somewhat to your experience, but I cannot imagine having to witness it every day at my place of work, that would seriously make me batty!
Good luck with your quest for Nationals!
Oh, and if you don't mind, may I ask a question? I'm from the Northeast, went to school here, live here, advised here. What sororities do you consider "traditional Southern sororities?" I've seen you use that phrase before, and it led me to wonder which organizations you are talking about. I just wondered because many of my close sisters are actually Southern women and I am famous for making them regale me with stories of their hometowns and their southern culture. I would drive them crazy but I couldn't get enough of it! Some people dream of spending a year in Provence, I dream of spending a year in the American South. (Maybe I've seen "Steel Magnolias" and "Shag, The Movie" a few too many times?)
violets

Traditional Southern would be like Phi Mu (there was briefly a chapter here about 90 years ago),Chi O, ADPi, KD, Zeta...the sororities that started and maintain several chapters in the South .

One GCer told me that she has a friend in the medium-sized group and they'd like to aim at Phi Mu. There are many local alums to that and Zeta. But who knows which national would actually want to colonize?

Some groups are just not getting the message about how unacceptable hazing is. OohTeenyWahine and I have both witnessed the awful hazing at the U of Hawaii and believe me, there are far fewer groups there now than when I was there. It's a shame because they had some incredible, longtime ethnic traditions.

YES<> YES! This will help the Locals so much!

If this is what I think it is, I sent e-m to LXA and suggest this school for a look in to as some one that fianally wants to go National!

Keep me updated PLEASE!!!!!!!! PM Me and send more INFO so I a can pass it along to HDQ!

luv Ya!

your KS Bud!:)

Oh Carnation, what a relief! I'm glad the president finally stepped in and demanded action. It will be interesting to see how this situation unfolds!

A lot of people from my school are from Carnation's general area, so when the greeks graduate and return home there is bound to be no shortage of alumni to support.

This is good to hear. Keep us updated, Carnation!

That's awesome news! :) Hope the whole colonization process goes smoothly.

I am going to try to post this again. For some reason the other one didn't take.

Congratulations and good luck to the school. It will be very beneficial that the groups will be starting at the same time or thereabouts. It's usually very difficult for a newbie chapter to compete with the oldies for the first few years. But sometimes, the newbies grow larger than the oldies, lol.

I wish they would colonize an AGD chapter! I'd love to help in whatever way I could.

What about Pi Phi?

Trying to post for the 3rd time!
 

Congrats Carnation, what wonderful news for your campus. Hopefully both NPC and NHPC are willing and eager to expand there. From what you've shared with us it sounds like the students would benefit as would the school.

Please keep us posted!
Fraternally,
Christin

Congrats to your school Carnation! What school is it again?

I too hope AGD is in the running, we seem to be very strong here in Georgia!!

What ever the groups I am glad to hear of somemore expansion!!!

Hey, Carnation -- is this not the same college where you've been trying to get NPC for 20 years? I recall a couple of phone calls back then and an Alpha Gam consultant visiting you.... <g> Persistence pays off?!

AG love and mine!

N:)

Not 20 years, 2 years!

I am hoping for a real mean national group who will whop 'em upside of the head if they dare pour syrup and flour and OJ on their pledges' heads again--or if they make them march through stores, singing and wearing weird green outfits--or if they force them to drill in the cold at 6 AM or any of that crap they've been pulling!

All comers are welcome!

Carnation,

I hope everything works out. I have no experience with blatant hazing so I cannot even imagine what watching that has to be like :(

I hope AOII looks into colonizing there. As you know we have many chapters in GA, and a very strong Atlanta alumnae chapter :)

Have you spoke to anyone at NPC yet? What were their suggestions/responses etc.... How do the locals seem to be taking the news? Would they rather disband that have to go "cold turkey" on the hazing?

How exciting! I hope Pi Phi gets in on this! :)

I've contacted NPC, no response yet. Since we have no nationals, I don't know whether they're required to come in and put on a presentation or the existing groups can just go after whomever they want.

There are varying responses from girls and guys in the locals, from "It's about time" to "They can't stop us from hazing" (but the state can, idiot) to "They'll destroy our tradition" (what tradition--besides hazing?) One girl whom I've known for years has heard what all my oldest does in her sorority and is dying for her group to go national because there's just no comparison between the weak "programs" offered by her group here and the fabulous things that our daughter's AOII chapter does.

What wonderful news, carnation! Delta Zeta could use another colony... hmmmm ;)

NPC Extension Director
 

Carnation:

Not sure who you may have contacted at NPC but the Extension Director is Jean Mrasek and her email is jmrasek@juno.com

I believe it is wise to have NPC send the expansion lead out to all the 26 NPC groups. The obvious ones you might think would come to your campus might not be expanding at this time, might not want to touch a hazing campus with a ten foot pole or may just not be interested in that student population etc. You will have far more to consider if all 26 know about it and you can sift through their information and purge it down to one national per local. You may want to contact John Caroll University in Ohio. They just took something like 5-7 local womens groups and forced them to go national and it seems they are all having a great experience.

Any questions, please IM me.

Denise_DPhiE
Director of Expansion
Delta Phi Epsilon
(and yes, we have plenty of alumnae in Georgia although we are not a "southern" sorority!!)

I think Valparaiso University, Indiana is also a success story in regards to changing long-standing locals into NPC orgs.
I also think there are some GC posters who are Valparaiso students, they might be able to provide some interesting insights.
www.valpo.edu

Actually, the success was so-so, at least one of the national groups folded almost immediately after the change-over and another one shortly after that, if I understand the situation correctly. It could be the same group - they may have tried a recolonization after the initial changeover problems, and then closed for good after that.

Oh, that's a shame. Sorry if I gave incorrect information!
I just met a very happy VU alum recently which made me think of it.
It would, however, be interesting to understand what went wrong so similar problems could be avoided on other campuses.
Thanks for setting me straight PnguinTrax.
violets

Carnation, sent our expansion team leader an e-m so will see what comes from that!

I know I pissed on his wheaties one time before, but I tried being nicey this time!:)

Goodest of luck and thanks for sending PM on this again!

your Luvin KS Gorilla Bud!:cool:

Barbara - I remember us discussing this at the time - didn't you say the one who folded had bad internal problems to begin with? It looks like the other 7 are still there.

Carnation - please contact me
 

Sorry to use this forum, but I need some help with my login. I had to create another one just to post this. Carnation, would you mind contacting me privately? Aopinthesky@aol.com. Thanks.

I really don't recall, I just remember that one of the groups folded almost immediately.

I double-checked and it was AST, their Delta Xi colony, it looks like they were never installed as a full chapter and closed in 2000. I believe that the other chapters on campus began the changeover in 1998 or thereabouts, but not all chapters installed at the same time due to differing requirements amongst the various NPC groups.

From the ADPi (valpo) web site:

During 1997, the sororities at Valparaiso University explored the process of affiliating with national organizations. Throughout 1997 and 1998, the organizations affiliated as follows:

Alpha Xi Epsilon became the Indiana Theta chapter of Pi Beta Phi
Alpha Phi Delta became the Gamma Upsilon chapter of Delta Delta Delta
Gamma Phi became the Zeta Iota chapter of Gamma Phi Beta
Delta Phi Kappa (Kappa Tau Zeta) became the Delta Xi chapter of Alpha Sigma Tau (now closed)
Delta Chi Epsilon (Phi Omega) became the Eta Psi chapter of Alpha Delta Pi
Kappa Psi Omega became the Zeta Psi chapter of Kappa Delta
Phi Beta Chi became the Eta Delta chapter of Kappa Kappa Gamma
Chi Sigma Xi became the Alpha Lambda chapter of Chi Omega

Yup, it was AST.

Yep, the Valpo Kappas are Happy Kappas! So are the John Caroll Kappas. The JCU Kappas got a HUGE, 3 minute ovation when their President came out with their flag at Convention.

As long as there's strong alumnae support, the transition should go smoothly. Contacting Valpo and JCU would be a great idea so y'all can learn from their mistakes.

And of course another Kappa chapter would be awesome... but you can never have too many Kappas!

Ditto on the "too many Kappas" quote.....

Kappa Delta was one of the groups that successfully colonized at both Valparaiso University & John Carroll. :) (*hint hint*, carnation :D )

Yayyayyay! It's true! I just spoke with the new Director of Student Life, a Kappa Kappa Gamma, and she said that she told the locals last night at the Greek Council!

She said that most likely, the remaining groups (2 sororities, 1 fraternity) will directly affiliate with national groups and then I suppose more groups can be made up of the remaining interested students. I really think we have room for at least 3 sororities.

She also said that when she told them about how wonderful her pledgeship was and how you can actually build sisterhood bonds without hazing, they were pretty skeptical.:rolleyes: I expect that at least one of the sororities might make a last-ditch attempt to contact alums and get them to scream about it but what the alums should be screaming about is the rep of their sorority around here.:rolleyes:

Congratulations!
 

Carnation,
Best wishes on the future of Nationals on your campus!
Can't wait to see how this proceeds!
violets

Carnation,
What school is that at again? I think almost everyone on here would like to know so that we can contact our National Extension Teams.
I am a founding member of the Iota Gamma Chapter and I do have to say it was drilled in to us no hazing and I'm sure they would (along with all the other NPC's) will make sure hazing doesn't happen anymore at the schools.
Carolyn

Carnation, Congrates!!! 1 Down a few more to go!

You are an inspiration to all of Greeks in the World!

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The locals have continued to recruit while getting their ducks in a row for nationalization. This is Rush Week and a record of 77 girls went to prefs for the 2 sororities! Yeaa! There were various requirements, including a certain GPA, that the PNMs had to have before they could rush.

Now, here's the dorky part: a member told me that the administration (not the student life advisor) is requiring for the last time that all rushees get a bid. She has no clue how this will be done, only that both groups ranked the rushees 1 to 77 and quota is 39. I don't know what they plan to do if there are rushees--and there will be--that neither group wants. I mean, what do you do? "I'll trade you the skank ho and the ditz for the trash talker and the evil b@#ch"?

oh my!!! LOL:D :D

What about girls whose grades are in the toilet? Like even if I have a .5 gpa, would they still have to give me a bid???

There was a minimum GPA to go through recruitment but I don't know what it was.

I hate forced bids!

Carnation,
Yes, forced bids are not a good thing, but I guess it's just a "Let Go and Let God" situation. The women who cannot function within a group dynamic usually leave of their own accord pretty soon, (but not before causing some drama, of course).
This is just yet another reason to be excited for Nationals!
I hope the expansion process is a short one for your school, I think you'll be a much happier woman once they arrive!
violets