Baby raped!
 

http://www.nbc6.net/news/1628202/detail.html

What should we do to people like this?:o I can't even comprehend how such a thing could happen.

Not unheard of
 

In the early 1990s, the newspaper that I worked for covered a trial where a 6-month-old was raped by his babysitter. Unfortunately, the cat only got 25 years in prison. :mad:

I wonder, however, will the infant have subliminal memories of the abuse? :(

Only 25 years????

What ever happened to being innocent until proven guilty?

Although the circumstances do point to the boy being the rapist, isn't kinda early to be naming someone until the DNA test are back? There have been countless instances where evidence points to a person but lab tests prove their innocence. Since some of you probably would not reckonize court cases of the exact situation let me give you an example many of you might understand......


Example: The Green Mile with Tom Hanks----Everyone thought the black guy raped and murdered the little white girls but it was actually the crazy guy who was helping on the farm....

The demand for death should only be made when the exact person is caught by evidence that DIRECTLY links him to the childs rape, not by circ. evidence.


UF-

*Ahhh--- it would be fun being a defense attorney*


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Yup. I don't recall what Tennessee's sentencing guidelines were at that time.

What a damn shame. The baby had to have emergency surgery so you can imagine what kind of physical damage was done to her. Even if she has no recollection or psychological ill effects from this she'll probably have medical issues to deal with.:mad:

I actually read a story awhile back about how infant rape is a common occurance in some parts of Africa because of a belief that sex with a young virgin will cure AIDS. There, some men will do this to babies as young as newborns, and it is very hard to catch the perpetrator. I hope that none of these little girls retain any memory of this horror. :mad: :mad: :mad: I will try to post the story if I can remember where I saw it (I think it was in the Lancet or the British Journal of Medicine).

Sooooo... You're defending a baby rapist. Okaaaayyy! :eek: :rolleyes:

Example: Recent episode of South Park. "So what do you see as the advantages of toddler murder?" Tweak "Well, it's easy." Newscaster "Yes, it is easy."



Note: I was going to start on lawyer jokes but but we have some very admirable lawyers here that I didn't want to insult.

You totally missed what I was saying.........

I'm not defending a baby rapist

I was saying that none of us know for sure it was him. You can have your thoughts as to who done it but it's wrong to point fingers and name the bad guy when we don't know who did it without a shadow of a doubt.

Yes it is a horrible thing to happen to a baby but it just as bad to label someone a baby rapist when they didn't do it. If someone does that publicly and the boy is NOT the rapist, the some people are in for heafty civil damages. Things such as baby rapist or child molester do not go away from ones name easily, if they do at all.

I'm not defending the boy by no means, I'm simply saying it's alittle barbaric to shout out, "Barbeque the kid" and "he needs to die" without knowing it was him for sure.


*On a different note*------(This may sound wrong but in an attorney mind set one can see what I'm saying.)

If I WAS the defense attorney for the child and he was found guilty of it and then I got him off with only 1/2 of his life in prison on the basis of his upbringing or some unknown mental illness, it would do wonders for my career. Look at what O.J's case did for Johnny Cochran.

Okay, and what I'm saying is that this is the sleaziest of all mentality's to look at this case in terms of loopholes, money and personal glory rather than seeking appropriate punishment for the guilty.

I don't think we're jumping to conclusions here. If the police located the boy and believe there was strong enough evidence to arrest and charge him, he probably did it. I don't think we're dealing with a criminal mastermind.

Ooooohhhhh I seeeeee.......

So if the police arrest you and have certain charges against you, you think they can't be wrong, with the exception of a few cases cases in history?

I'm sorry to tell you sweetie, the police HAVE been wrong MANY times and I guarentee you that there are some cops somewhere in america that are wrongly accusing someone as we speak, whether it's murder,drugs,solicting for prostituion or whatever. I'm not saying it's a common thing but it does happen alot. Normally their a$$'$ are saved because the person was a reasonable suspect.

Off the topic, but I'm so tired to hearing about what OJ's case did for Johnny Cochran. Cochran did not *win* that case because he hasan amazing legal mind.The prosecutors were totally inept, the judge had no handle on criminal procedure and couldn't control his courtroom, and I personally think that some of the jurors had their own agenda. Cochran came out on top because everybody else was so sub-par. Read Vince Bugliosi's book "Outrage." Its an eye-opener from one of the *real* preeminent litigators of the 20th century.

OK now that *that's* off my chest--whew! ;) --if that 17-year-old is found guilty, I can't think of a punishment awful enough to fit the crime. Raping a baby is too atrocious for words.

SICK ASS BASTID!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

From what I've read in psych journals,pedophiles are one of the hardest groups to "cure". Sick people like this make me think that castration is not only a viable option.....but necessary. :mad:

Ahh...this is when I believe the practice of simply leading the person in the street and shooting them is applicable.

On a side note, a few miles down the road from me a man broke his 3 month old's legs, he apparantly threw the poor child repeatedly against the wall. Also, it was found that he had done repeated acts to the child previously, such as breaking its ribs and etc. But of course, he'll get off as usual, just like every other scumbag. And here...the local News covered a guy that starved his dog yet not a single word about the child. Don't you looooooovvvvvvveeeeeee society?

APhi and others.

ITs a dangerous attitude to assume that just because someone is picked up for something
they are actually guilty of it.

They actually executed the alleged kidnapper of the Lindbergh Baby and yet it came out
later that he very likely wasn't the one to kidnap and kill the child.

There was police misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, and more.


The books on the subject seem to agree that it was understood within the upper echelons
of people involved with the case that boy executed wasn't the one that did it . . . they
knew this at the time of the trial!

But there was a lot of politcal pressure at the time to end the case, so everyone stayed
silent.

Also when you, APhi, choose to use emotion or hysteria as an argument:
You make it very difficult to argue a case on its objective merits . . . emotive arguments
are virtually to argue.

OK, I just lost my appetite for dinner :eek:

Whoever is responsible for this atrocity should be severely punished.

What happened to this child is disgusting, criminal, and devastating to both the baby and her family. Unfortunately, child rape and molestation are a regular occurance. This girl isn't the first and sadly won't be the last.

The young man is only accused and charged with the crime. He has a right to due process and to have an attorney defend him. Someone will defend this accused baby rapist. It's his right as indicated in the Constitution. I hope for the sake of the safety of children everywhere that they have the right man and that he will be removed from society for as long as the law will allow.

I have a question for some of you........
 

Someone PM'd me this question.....

Who do you think is worse, The person who committed the crime or the Lawyer who defends him? Also what do you think of the attorney who presents a defense case so well that the death penalty is out of question AND the person is aquitted of all charges?


Personally I think the lawyer shouldn't be in question when it comes to a moral and ethical stance in the situation. He is doing his job regardless of what he thinks of the accused. His job is to keep his client out of prison, thats what he/she gets paid for.

This is beyond disgusting. :mad:My heart cries for the child and the parents.

WHOEVER did it should not be executed..the person responsible should have to go to jail for a life term and suffer every single day for the rest of his wasted life. he should also be castrated.

Thats an undestandable emotional response. By the way, what is a NinjaPoodle.

I think that most attourney's believe they are defending due process of law rather the individual per se, because in an absolute sense they have no way of knowing whether the person "committed" the crime or not, or what circumstances may have existed.

Remember, that it is an adversarial process, so your eventual guilt or innocence will very much depend on how good the two opposing attournies are, and what resources they have avilable to them.

Also, the prosecution has an overwhelming advantage both in resources and "moral authority".

That is why we get so outraged when a person walks, the vast maority cop a plea or are convicted.

Does TKE "own" just you or your ideas as well?

-Rudey
--I'd ask for a refund or a return if I was a TKE

That case is so terrible, if that man did in fact do that, he should punished severly. There was a case around her last month when a father beat his 16-month old to death, breaking his neck and fracturing his skull. The sad part is that nine years prior he'd been convicted on child endangerment charges and child abuse because he's broken both of his infant daughters legs. He got off, and remained living with his girfriend and the daughter that he beat. Now, nine years later it the life of a child had to be taken for something to be done. These people are just sick.

Was that called for?

Yes
 

Yes it was.

-Rudey
--When she gives you the refund, shipping and handling charges will be deducted.

Re: Yes
 

Thats cool everyone knows that people only insult people that they are threaten or are jelious of. If they weren't threaten they would stay quiet because they don't care.:cool:

Re: Re: Yes
 

What a joke.

-Rudey
--You should stay quiet Debby...because you don't care.

Re: Re: Re: Yes
 

Glad I could make you laugh.:rolleyes:

Related question:

Do you think that castrating a pedophile or rapist before he is released (if he is released) would really solve anything?

I think that is someone wants to hurt a child they'll do it regardless. Castration will prevent rape in the traditional sense but they will still have the ability to sexually molest a child.

Please lets stay on topic here. This is a serious matter. Lets not get into pointless trash talking. :(

Oprah's show was about this topic yesterday. She said that 8 out of 10 child molesters are someone who knows the child/family.
It's really sad that there are so many sick people out there doing this to kids.

Umm...quick note...this wasn't anything dealing with TKE...and I really do not see how anything I said was associated with it either..try to stick on subject dear....

By the way..the 'own' thing is an inside joke w/in the chapter, nothing for you to be concerned with..I'm a big girl..I have my own identity..trust me..*smiles politely*

Castration and chemical "conditioning" are considered worthless. The only treatment that has a considerable impact is counseling.

-Rudey
--It's not pointless trash talking.

Oh, who knew the day would ever come where I would agree with UF Pike?

Seriously, people, plenty of men (it's mostly men in my experience) are wrongly accused of crimes, either because of mistake or because the police are just plain wrong and want to get SOMEONE for a crime.

It doesn't bother me personally because I hear it all the time, but do we need the lawyer slamming? It's been very subtle in this thread, but I feel it lurking beneath the surface of some posts (and I've seen it in plenty of other threads recently). For real -- it is an attorney's job to do her best for her client. We're not all a festering blob of maggots writhing on a pile of shit looking for loopholes to get our scumbag clients out on the street again to abuse more children. If YOU were accused of a crime (especially one you didn't do) wouldn't you want an attorney who is going to do the best work for you? Whether or not you did it, it is the state's JOB to PROVE it beyond a reasonable doubt. Without safeguards (like good attorneys) in place, we wouldn't have a free society at all because the police could just round up people and throw them in jail whenver they felt like it -- and that could happen to YOU. Even when a defendant *is* guilty, defense attorneys are the ones working to ensure that the sentence is just. Believe me, sometimes state's attorneys want to impose sentences that are completely out of line for the crime committed. I see it every day.

guilty
 

Umm...

You DO realize that the guy admitted to sexually assaulting the baby..

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...news%2Dbroward


And though the mother is claiming the kid is "emotionally disturbed" (no, really?), she was present during the questioning.

Re: guilty
 

Sometimes police fabricate a confession.
Sometimes a suspect is interrogated with intense pressure and confesses after being so worn down that he can barely keep his head up.
Sometimes a suspect doesn't have the ability to fully understand what a confession is.

-Rudey
--As he has not been convicted, it's better to judge the crime rather than the suspect.

Wow, can't believe this thread is still going. Guess this is what happens when you step away for a day. Anyway, I was just trying to play devil advocate. I didn't mean to sound hysterical, emotional, or lawyer bash. In fact, my dad his twin and their little sister are all graduates of the U of Iowa Law School. There were just certain comments made by a certain individual about becoming a hero by getting someone off the hook that I wanted to debate.

Fortunately, a little DNA testing should clear this case up pretty quickly. Then there will be little matter of debate who did this horrible thing and it can be properly dealt with in a court of law. My deepest sympathies to the families of all involved.

Look back to what I said. I never mentioned the phrase "becoming a hero" anywhere nor did the message imply that. Stop putting words in my mouth. Make reference to only that of which I wrote, not what you percieved the message to say.


UF-

* I hope this clears things up my young padwon*

Something I've noticed about you... You always have to have the last word don't you?

That's fine. You can have it.

Well, by posting that, YOU just took the last word.....well, now that I'm posting this, I'M taking the last word, then if someoen else posts, they'll......n/m