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Just curious, can a white girl be in this?

Wonder what would happen if there were a "Miss Caucasion Teen Scholarship Pageant"?

There was and is

..................it's called The Miss Teen (or Teen USA)Scholarship pageant.

And as an FYI, there are also OTHER Miss ___________ (insert nationality) pageants that go on all the time. Do you have the same questions for them as well?

Diamond 007 and/or Moderator:

Please delete this thread. Some folks will not know how to handle it. :rolleyes:

First off, Miss Teen is not "Caucasion Only". Secondly, yes, I do pose the same question for "them" as well.

Dick Clark would be slaughtered for hosting the "Miss Caucasion Teen Scholarship Pageant".

LMAO :D

Hey SigmaChiGuy and Neicy81! How's it been? I rarely see you two, unless racial issues come up, lol. Too funny.

Of course in this (and other) national public pageants, other ethinicities have been ALLOWED to try and participate. Also In recent years, other ethnicities have been embraced in that pageant. Sorry, I had written that, but I must have editted it out to post something else.


Again, SigmaChiCard, why the concern? As I stated before there are other pageants (privately sponsored, mind you) that are race specific for other ethinicities as well. The Little Miss Italy pagaent is held here in my area. Around St. Patrick's Day, there is a pageant for Irish women as well. Are these not pageants " for white girls" (to quote you from a previous post)? Almost every ethinicity has some type pageant for their particular nationality, not just minorities.

Dionysus,

I feel you on your statement. Makes you wonder which GC'ers alter ego is he? ;)

Miss America: Vanessa Williams, 1984, Debbye Turner, 1990; Marjorie Vincent, 1991; Kimberly Aiken, 1994; Chelsi Smith, 1995
Miss USA: Carole Gist, 1990; Kenya Moore, 1993; Shauntay Hinton, 2002
Miss Teen USA: Morgan O'Murray, 1999; Marissa Whitley, 2001

To name a few. I know there are more, but I only spent 10 minutes on the internet 'cuz I get to go home from work now!

Again KappaKitty (and to everyone else).........

What about the following race-specific pagaents that are for caucaisians? Where is your "outcry" against them? i.e The Little Miss Italy and the Miss Italia USA pagaent is held here in my area. Around St. Patrick's Day, there is a pageant for Irish women as well (The Miss Mayo pageant). Are these not pageants " for white girls" (to quote SigmaChiCard from a previous post)?

Almost every ethinicity has some type pageant for their particular nationality, not just minorities.

Why is it ok for those type of pageants to take place, but not for minority-specific pageants to take place?

FTDS!
 

Why? ya'll why?

Why do we have to act as if anything with an ethnic origin was established to hurt someone? Why can't folks admit that these OTHER pagaents, orgs, etc. exist because minorities COULD NOT participate because of their skin color? If we must ask questions, folks better go back and ask their ancestors why. You'll get your answers there. If it wasn't for so and so non -minority Smith, we would not need all of these SEPARATE entities.

Don't ask us why, ask those that ESTABLISHED ALL OF THESE pageants, leagues, schools, etc. for WHITES ONLY! We didn't create this game, we have done what we have done to play "YOUR" game.

You know this as well as I. C'mon now! Come with something better.

IN 1984, there was the first AA Miss America...whoop dee doo! When did this pageant begin?

In 1999, we had our first AA teen Miss USA...give the bird a cracker...whatever! That pageant was established in what year?

OH this is good...How many years did it take for a female AA to get the BEST actress Oscar? How many years? I guess that's why we have the NAACP Image Awards and the Essence Awards? :rolleyes:

I guess we had to CREATE OUR OWN, BECAUSE "YOU", speaking generally (W.A.S.) DID NOT WANT US. You didn't see us as HUMAN BEINGS for the longest, You DIDN'T SEE US WORTH ANYTHING, YOU DIDN'T THINK WE WERE WORTHY... SO we had to create our own.


Is that a problem? Don't come at us, go to those IN CHARGE! WE don't want to hear it!

:rolleyes:

EDIT: uhhhh, I cannot speak for all minorities, but I'm speaking for myself.

Remember: YOU= those WHITE people in charge of the "laws of the land" back in the day. I do realize those on GC did not have anything to do with it, but still....THESE PEOPLE, if they haven't died, DO EXIST....so ask them!

Oh, and while you are searching, please post when the Miss USA, Miss America, Miss Teen USA, pageants were founded. There is much to say about something being around for over 50 years and finally in the year 2002, it has become "minority-friendly".

Again, my question to everyone that is sooo adamantly against the Miss Black Teen USA pageant, why is it ok for other ethinicities to have pageants, but not for minorities to have them?

Re: FTDS!
 

CTFU @ FTDS!!!!!!!!!!!! *lol*

you must have been reading my mind. :cool:

Just as a point of reference, it was SigmaChiGuy, not SigmaChiCard who made the comment

Please lets all be civil to one another. Thank you and have a great day.

Interesting.

I used to think that the idea of "minority-only" anything was completely unfair but I've kind of given up on that line of thinking. Is there really anything wrong with a blacks-only beauty pageant? If a white girl wants to join a pageant, it's not like she's being entirely excluded -- she can just go join one of the many many MANY pageants without an emphasis on race. And men can't enter the Miss America pageant, but do we hear them complaining?

However, I do think that the creation of blacks-only/Asians-only/Hispanics-only/women's-only/gays-only ANYTHING is kind of sad, because it minimizes the concept of unity. For example, if there's a Miss Black Teen America pageant, that means that less blacks will be entering the Miss Teen America. If the trend continues, that means eventually there will just be a lot of divisions of society, by race or religion or sex or sexual preference or whatever -- instead of having one integrated society. Emphasizing the differences between different cultures is important, but IMO what is more important is emphasizing what we have in common.

Unity? LOL. I am glad you called it an "concept" because that is all it is. Not reality.

As far as the pageants, I swear. People will pick over the smallest of things. I heard a white woman ask why Blacks get "a whole month" and whites get nothing. Hello! Whites get the other 11! lol

Look at the contestants and the overall demographics of the pageants in place. Do you think it is because Black women do not enter? Hmmm...

Sad? Chile please. You better get a history book out and find out when these minority-based pageants were created.

WHAT'S SAD is that they had to be created, because BLACKS (and other minorities) COULD NOT ENTER!! THAT'S SAD!

Do not call the minorities SAD that saw the need for an outlet to reward THEIR OWN, call those non-minorities SAD because they KEPT THE DOORS CLOSED TO OTHERS! THAT'S SAD!

:rolleyes:

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You are all just looking at this the wrong way. This contest is about the girls and NOT about race.

-Rudey
--mmmm...girls...mmmm.

BOO!
 

STILL, YOUR ANCESTORS LOOKED AT IT THE WRONG WAY, TOO. IT'S STILL THEIR FAULT!

My great, great, great grandmother was a girl, too. But to your great, great, great grandfather, she wasn't a girl, basically a sex object! sHE COULD NOT ENTER YOUR COLLEGE, NOR YOU PAGEANT, NOR YOUR CHURCH...ONLY YOUR KITCHEN TO COOK AND CLEAN AND CROP....

Don't come here with that this is about girls. Again, your ancestors started this crap, therefore, we have made accommodations to adjust and adapt!

It's not lovely is it? OH well...you better have a sit down in some of those nursing homes and get the real deal, that is if the powers that be from that time can remember anything. :rolleyes:

NO EXCUSE! NO EXCUSE! FESS UP AND IT WILL BE OKAY!

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But she was so sexy...could you blame him?

-Rudey
--mmm...sexy...mmm

You know they say....once you go BLACK, you never go BACK!

Really this post was in error. The pageant attempts to provide a mentoring program of professionals for each young lady and as an outlet for scholarships. :confused:

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Who are you trying to get to fess up and what are you trying to get them to fess up about? Your post seems to be a bunch of tightly-packed jibberish, i'm sorry, i didn't see a point? If there was please clarify what and who is fessing up about what?


As for the argument of ancestors, I didn't know that the people of today are to blame for the things that their ancestors did, I will never understand that argument.

There's plenty of rhetoric on both sides of the fence on this one. I really see nothing wrong with someone identifying with their race as a subculture. If you feel you belong in a Miss Black America competition, by God enter the thing!

Equality is one thing... This is another thing entirely. It's a harmless beauty pageant (scholarship program).. At one time it was the only way that people of color could have a program like this and it is still an important part of their community (at least I gather that from this thread) so what's the big deal?

Has a caucasian or any other race girl ever been told that she couldn't enter this pageant? If they have not tried then why are people even debating this thing? A waste of time and emotion if you asked me.

BRAVO!

I agree.

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THAT it's the white man who established his WHITE ONLY tactics, therefore yielding to need of MINORITY-based pageants, etc. Anyone who is in denial of this needs to fess up, if that includes you, then fess up!

It's jibberish to you, but when you have been in the shoes of any minority then, we'll see what you call it. IT'S HISTORY, darling, U.S. HISTORY, call it what you want.

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As for the argument of ancestors, I didn't know that the people of today are to blame for the things that their ancestors did, I will never understand that argument.

Well, now you know...

Just like minority groups (of today) should not be pressed about having a pageant for blacks or any other race.
BTW, I have stayed on the subject. Defending the need for a "black" pageant...

:rolleyes:

Edit: And soror, no your post was not in error. There could possibly be some folks on this side of the tracks who come into contact with young black girls that would qualify for this pageant. You are advertising. I hope it's safe to say that SOME of these people come into contact with AA teenagers in a positive light.
;)

I was really not going to reply to this at all but I must say this.
There are a lot of folks who feel that a BLACK anything is wrong. Why? To me, this pageant is a vehicle for Black Teens who might not have the means to compete in the "everybody" pageant, meaning no race. Not only that but isn't it great that this pageant INSURES that at least one Black teen gets a college scholarship that might not be won in the Miss AMERICA one.

Face it, Blacks have had to create things everywhere. When one door was closed, WE (Blacks) built our own building with our own door and WALKED on in.

Blacks not allowed to attend college, we built HBCUs.
Blacks not allowed in fraternities and sororities, we CREATED our own.
BLACKS not allowed in pageants, we created our own.
Blacks not receiving scholarships, we created our own.

Whenever there is a need, then someone has the vision to create a means to meet that need.

It is not about racism, but it is about advancement and achievement.

You might not understand it or support it, but by GOD don't knock it. If it were not for the visionaries, there might be a BLACK young lady not making it to college each year because the money is not there.

I did not say minorities were sad, I said the concept of a ________-only anything was sad. By sad I didn't mean pathetic, I meant that it's unfortunate because it would be so much better if we could have a pageant that didn't focus on race at all (however unlikely that may be), but rather the quality of the person regardless of race.

Yes, unity is for the most part only a concept and not reality. (That doesn't mean it's not worth it to work towards unity in the hope that someday -- even a very far-off someday -- we will have it or at least be closer to it.) However, the more _____-only things we create, the less likely it'll be that it will become reality. One of you mentioned the fact that these pageants were created because whites wouldn't let the minorities into their beauty pageants. That's great, that's fine that they were created. As I said earlier, I don't think that there is necessarily a problem with a blacks-only beauty pageant. However, as it was pointed out, when the first Miss America pageant was created, non-whites weren't allowed to enter. Now they are, and we've had at least a couple non-white winners of the pageant. And why? Because non-whites fought for and won the right to enter the pageant, etc. If they decide that these kinds of things are no longer worth fighting for because they can create their own pageants, it becomes less and less likely that racism and prejudice will decrease -- people will just rope themselves off into their little categories based on race, religion or what have you, and that will be the end of it.

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I'm not in disagreement of a "black pageant" I'm more in disagreement of your statements on "fessing up" and "THAT it's the white man who established his WHITE ONLY tactics."

Why would one fess up when they had nothing to do with the situation? Yes, everything is history and for the sake of history, I wasn't in the past and the people of today didn't take part in the events of yesterday, like I stated previously.

That being said, I am in support of such pageants, although I dont really like any kind of pageants...lol

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Ummm no...we were talking about how our great grandparents just looked at each other as sexual objects.

-Rudey
--My great grandpah was the biggest stud. Black, white, asian, indian, middle eastern, and latina women all loved him.

Damn, I leave for a day and a half!

All hell breaks loose!

Beauty Pagents are about one thing " Beautiful Ladies".

How many Pagents are about Beautiful Men?

We have many beautiful Ladies on GC who could be in Pagents, but I for one would rather know the Beautiful Ladies on GC!

Beauty is in the Eye Of the Beholder, and everyone on this Site is Beautiful in one form or another> Am I that far off?

Did the Master Artists make statues and paintings of Beautiful men? No!!! They did Women!

Some more endowed in some form or another!:eek:

I may be going blind but not stupiod!:cool:

Blah, blah, blah. Black, white, purple, green. Blah, blah, blah. Fat, short, tall, ugly, pretty. Blah, blah, blah. 1870, 1930, 1960, 2002. Blah, blah, blah.

with that, I'm announcing Ms. Arya pagent.

competition include:

swimsuit
singing (only Wang Chung songs are allowed)
intelectual test (knowledge of Wang Chung and Pokemon history)
and finally the Night Gown competition

I'm from Canada so maybe things are done a little differently here, but I wanted to point out that for minority-specific pageants, you do not have to be 100% of that ethnic group.

I recently attended & watched the "Miss Italia in the World Canada" pageant in Toronto, Ontario. The girl who won is of mixed ethnicity, her mother is from Rome, and her father is Jamaican.......Christina Cretaro, 21, of Toronto won the title of Miss Italia nel Mondo Canada on July 19, 2002 in Toronto. She will represent the Land of the Maple Leaf at the 12th Miss Italia nel Mondo (Miss Italy in the World) Pageant in Salsamaggore, Italy, in September, competing with women from 33 other countries.
This is her here with comedian Joe Avati:
http://www.joeavati.com.au/images/Nt...Cretaro_sm.jpg

I think to enter pageants for a Miss Italian, Miss Latina, Miss Asian, Miss Polonia (for people of Polish descent), you don't have to be 100% that ethnicity...you have to be maybe just 25% or 50%.
In the case of the Miss Italia nel Mundo pageant, this is to promote Italian culture and to make sure that contestant can understand Italian, since the biggie pageant at the end in Italy is done in Italian.

Similarly, in Miss Chinese International, the 1st RU was Christie Angela Bartram of Toronto, Canada. She has a "not so Chinese name", as she is of mixed ethinicity....caucasian Dad, Chinese Mom. So you don't have to be 100% Chinese to be eligible for the pageant.

I believe that in Toronto, there is also a Miss Nigeria Canada pageant, and also a Miss Guyana Canada pageant. You don't have to be 100% of African descent, but you need to have some sort of tie to either country (maybe 1 of your parents or 1 of your grandparents).

Thanks. :)

Tom,
there are a few pageants for men..for example
the "Manhunt International" (yes, that is its actual name, it usually happens in Malaysia).
They are more of a male model search, but I guess they are a pageant for men. They tend to attract gay men as observers though, not women! ;)

I also know of a men's pageant in Toronto called MR. 2SEXY 2002.
Again, yes, that is its real name...LMAO.

The gay communities in in various cities produce pageants like Mr. Gay Toronto, Mr. Leather Toronto, that kind of thing.
So, yes, there are pageants for men, but they don't tend to attract women observers! :D
Also, I don't know if you actually have to be a gay man to enter those pageants, but quite frankly, I can't envision a straight guy wanting to...just my 2 c.