Originally Posted by highafbutnah (Post 2422491)

Hey guys, I’m gonna start with a pretty in-depth story (you can skip tl;dr if you want). I’m a UCI class of 2016, so I already graduated. HOWEVER, I’m going back to school for an extra 2 quarters, as well as one whole more year (while waiting for graduate school acceptance letters).
With that said, I will be in Irvine for quite a while despite the fact that I am 22.
In 2013 I pledged and crossed a certain fraternity, but the fraternity went inactive BEFORE my formals happened, so unfortunately I did not get my letters. Thankfully though, the knowledge of fraternity life stuck with me forever. I took a good break from hanging out with AGC (asian greek community) for about a year. However after certain circumstances I became best friends with two guys from the same fraternity!

The 3 of us constantly joke about me pledging their fraternity, but its just not viable considering how old I am. Now, in this situation I am, I pick up pseudo lil sisses, pseudo faves, etc. And, unfortunately it has been getting on my nerves that they have to be my pseudos.

This brings me to my point. First I’ll talk about an example, UCI has an infamous “underground” fraternity,where they don’t pay fees, they do insane hazing, and do their pledging... well, underground. To me, it does not seem like anyone really cares about them, but they still interact with other orgs normally.

So my plan is to create my own “underground” fraternity—composed of just me for now (and possibly forever just me) and hopefully be vouched for by my two homies from their own fraternity. Hint: The name of my new frat is actually the codename people call our trio.
For example: If they’d call us GOL Team (not really, but just an example), then the frat name would be like Gamma Omicron Lambda

Problems:
Let’s say I chill with my two (let’s say theyre in frat A) A homies, and and I’m wearing my letters (let’s say I’m in frat B), and meet some new people. My turn, and I say, “What’s up, I’m B from irvine, we’re underground right now, nice to meet you.” Do you guys think there will be beef in such a situation?

Beef as in, “Uhhh, who the fuck is B?” –

1. Will people question the fact that I’m the only one in it?
2. Should I try to rush people?
3. I am best friends with 2 people from A, and also good friends with other people from A,. Just how disrespectful is it to say “Yeah, my frat B is pretty cool with A”?  Because in fact, I’m only acqaintances with most of them, I’m just really close with some of them.

LONG STORY SHORT
I just want to be an official big bro to the sisters I love... I wonder if being underground would hurt me at all.. If it means anything I have already experienced 10 weeks of pledging and crossed before.

Originally Posted by highafbutnah (Post 2422491)

Hey guys, I’m gonna start with a pretty in-depth story (you can skip tl;dr if you want). I’m a UCI class of 2016, so I already graduated. HOWEVER, I’m going back to school for an extra 2 quarters, as well as one whole more year (while waiting for graduate school acceptance letters).
With that said, I will be in Irvine for quite a while despite the fact that I am 22.
In 2013 I pledged and crossed a certain fraternity, but the fraternity went inactive BEFORE my formals happened, so unfortunately I did not get my letters. Thankfully though, the knowledge of fraternity life stuck with me forever. I took a good break from hanging out with AGC (asian greek community) for about a year. However after certain circumstances I became best friends with two guys from the same fraternity!

The 3 of us constantly joke about me pledging their fraternity, but its just not viable considering how old I am. Now, in this situation I am, I pick up pseudo lil sisses, pseudo faves, etc. And, unfortunately it has been getting on my nerves that they have to be my pseudos.

This brings me to my point. First I’ll talk about an example, UCI has an infamous “underground” fraternity,where they don’t pay fees, they do insane hazing, and do their pledging... well, underground. To me, it does not seem like anyone really cares about them, but they still interact with other orgs normally.

So my plan is to create my own “underground” fraternity—composed of just me for now (and possibly forever just me) and hopefully be vouched for by my two homies from their own fraternity. Hint: The name of my new frat is actually the codename people call our trio.
For example: If they’d call us GOL Team (not really, but just an example), then the frat name would be like Gamma Omicron Lambda

Problems:
Let’s say I chill with my two (let’s say theyre in frat A) A homies, and and I’m wearing my letters (let’s say I’m in frat B), and meet some new people. My turn, and I say, “What’s up, I’m B from irvine, we’re underground right now, nice to meet you.” Do you guys think there will be beef in such a situation?

Beef as in, “Uhhh, who the fuck is B?” –

1. Will people question the fact that I’m the only one in it?
2. Should I try to rush people?
3. I am best friends with 2 people from A, and also good friends with other people from A,. Just how disrespectful is it to say “Yeah, my frat B is pretty cool with A”?  Because in fact, I’m only acqaintances with most of them, I’m just really close with some of them.

LONG STORY SHORT
I just want to be an official big bro to the sisters I love... I wonder if being underground would hurt me at all.. If it means anything I have already experienced 10 weeks of pledging and crossed before.

Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 2422513)

Calling NinjaPoodle and/or Senserut!

I'm curious. Granted I know nothing about the NPHC process. But, if you have "crossed", aren't you initiated? So, even if his chapter was closed, wouldn't he be an initiated member?

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2422514)

I believe he mentioned being in an Asian-interest organization, not NPHC

OP -- I doubt anyone will join a one-person fraternity whose sole member is over the standard college age and exists for the purposes of having little sisters. If their friendship is that important to you why not...ask them to be your friend?

This seems like a whole lot for no real reason.

Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2422507)

^^^ move over, share please? I'll bring the co-cola or sweet tea.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2422514)

I believe he mentioned being in an Asian-interest organization, not NPHC

OP -- I doubt anyone will join a one-person fraternity whose sole member is over the standard college age and exists for the purposes of having little sisters. If their friendship is that important to you why not...ask them to be your friend?

This seems like a whole lot for no real reason.

Originally Posted by highafbutnah (Post 2422491)

Hey guys, .....

LONG STORY SHORT
I just want to be an official big bro to the sisters I love... I wonder if being underground would hurt me at all.. If it means anything I have already experienced 10 weeks of pledging and crossed before.

Originally Posted by NinjaPoodle (Post 2422534)

1. You're an alum. Why?
2. Undergrounds are a LEGAL LIABILITY. Consider that before you go forward.
3. You're an alum. Why not participate with your alum chapter and move forward in meeting women your own age and that have graduated also?

Originally Posted by highafbutnah (Post 2422533)

And well, about the lil sis thing, I'm not sure how it works where everyone else is from (not trying to sound offensive) but at UCI pseudo vs lil-sis is a HUGE difference. My Pseudos and I are VERY close and I would love to make them my real lil-sisses....

Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 2422513)

Calling NinjaPoodle and/or Senserut!

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2422514)

I believe he mentioned being in an Asian-interest organization, not NPHC

OP -- I doubt anyone will join a one-person fraternity whose sole member is over the standard college age and exists for the purposes of having little sisters. If their friendship is that important to you why not...ask them to be your friend?

This seems like a whole lot for no real reason.

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2422518)

This is maybe not the best place to ask about this. I don't know of any major posters here who know anything about Asian-centric orgs. Maybe ask your two friends what their thoughts are?

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge (Post 2422547)

This may be the first time I was sent for on GC and actually read it. LOL



Nobody sent for you.



To be honest, this is the best advice.

I think you have been done a disservice twice. First, you pledged a fraternity that eventually dissolved. Second, your friends allowed you to participate in Greek traditions even though you're not really part of Greek life.

If you are a ghost or renegade of the fraternity you pledged, I think it would be best to contact that fraternity (if it is national) and tell them that you'd like to continue your experience with that fraternity as an alumnus, and ask them to give you options. The options might be anything from "Sorry champ, we don't know you" to "We'd like to rectify this for you and invite you to alumni initiation." Who knows?

If I were your friends, I probably would neither support an underground fraternity idea nor inviting you to my own fraternity.

I just don't feel right with you participating in these traditions without the credentials.

Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 2422516)

Long time, no hear!

You are correct. I misread that part of his story.

Originally Posted by highafbutnah (Post 2422537)

Also, I don't plan on making it a huge fraternity or anything, but maybe just a small-time org

PS: Reminder that this is underground, I don't want to deal with official school business, I just want to be affiliated with my younger friends (whose frats I am too old to pledge for)

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge (Post 2422547)

Nobody sent for you.

If I were your friends, I probably would neither support an underground fraternity idea nor inviting you to my own fraternity.

I just don't feel right with you participating in these traditions without the credentials.

Originally Posted by highafbutnah (Post 2422549)

No offense to any other member, you all gave great advice, but thank you Sen, you make a very great point. At UCI, it is not uncommon to have underground fraternities, however, these underground frats are "infamous" because they are underground for certain despicable reasons.

With that said, I know many people of the AGC (the term UCI students call Asian Greek Orgs) and if I were to make an underground frat, I wouldn't seem "infamous" at all.

Taking into account what everyone said, I also asked all of my friends about it, and they said to go for it! It wouldn't hurt, and I might possibly be even able to make it an open frat and pledge people I like from other schools. I'm not sure how far this would go, but I might just do it.

Thank you so much everyone, please keep replying if there is more advice to give.