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PotentialPledge 08-05-2002 10:06 PM

What Should Guys Wear????
 
Hey ladies

Ive been reading the posts about what girls should wear on dates and such, but what should guys wear. I know a lot of guys out there have no fashion sense, and when it comes to dates they just look unkempt. Any thoughts? Could I guy wear anything on a date that would turn you off and vice versa. Thanks Much

33girl 08-05-2002 10:13 PM

Unless you have the body of an Adonis or are skiing, PLEASE skip the turtlenecks.

Rudey 08-05-2002 10:38 PM

Re: What Should Guys Wear????
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PotentialPledge
Hey ladies

Ive been reading the posts about what girls should wear on dates and such, but what should guys wear. I know a lot of guys out there have no fashion sense, and when it comes to dates they just look unkempt. Any thoughts? Could I guy wear anything on a date that would turn you off and vice versa. Thanks Much

I highly recommend the "I'm with stupid shirt" that has an arrow pointing towards the unsuspecting girl. It's quite the riot. Compliment it with large aviator style sunglasses. I'm talking the kind they sell at wallgreens with lenses that cover half your face.

-Rudey

PotentialPledge 08-05-2002 10:40 PM

"I highly recommend the "I'm with stupid shirt" that has an arrow pointing towards the unsuspecting girl. It's quite the riot. Compliment it with large aviator style sunglasses. I'm talking the kind they sell at wallgreens with lenses that cover half your face.

-Rudey"

hahahaha

FiReKraCkEr 08-05-2002 11:02 PM

Well, it depends on what you're doing on the date....

Lately, I've been all about the "slacker/preppy boy look" on guys

So for a casual date, I want my guy to have on slacker shorts, a nice fitted tee, Birkenstocks, and a necklace made of hemp with shells on them. A nice tan, bulging biceps, and smirky grin would be nice too:)

Ok, so I'm describing my crush's everyday wear. But, OMG!!!!! It's so sexy!!!

On a more dressy date, I like a button up Structure shirt, black trousors, and nice black shoes....with a shell necklace and spiky hair...Yummy!!

OMG!! This is my gay friend's everyday wear!!! LOL..well, I guess when you admire someone, you like their style too!

Okay, what not to wear.....um, I agree turtlenecks, grungy t shirts that have seen better decades, tube socks with shorts, mesh tank tops, sweaters with animals on them, anyting polyestor, jeans that are soooo tight you know they're losing feeling in their groind:)


Ivory

CarolinaDG 08-05-2002 11:18 PM

I think it depends on the girl... try to judge what to wear based on the girl.

I mean, I'm very preppy, and LOVE love love the J. Crew look (button down shirt and khaki's with some reefs or other acceptable flip-flops) but I know some girls who wouldn't like that ( I have no clue why not!). As a general rule, though, don't wear jeans. Khakis, seersuckers, linen pants, yes, but no jeans on the first date. That's my little peeve. :)

PotentialPledge 08-06-2002 11:25 AM

do you think its ok for a guy to wear a baseball cap on the first date?

UF_PikePC98 08-06-2002 01:55 PM

If you need help on how to dress for a first date, you have some serious issues.

I say be yourself. If the girl only likes you for the way you dress rather than the person you are, she's not worth the thought in your mind. I do agree that you need to wear something appropriate and that is appealing to her. Keep in mind you only do this for the first few weeks or until things are hitting off really well. Don't keep doing the 'dress to impress' thing. If you keep doing the same thing chicks start to think it's the norm. Also remember that you don't want to look like you just rolled out of bed or came back from the beach. I agree with CarolinaDG, you have to get a vibe from the chick and a feel for what type of shiznitz she likes. I wouldn't wear reef sandals on a first date. I'd say go with a casual dress style, it depends though on where you are going. If you are going out to eat at a decent place, go casual dress. If it's NICE and then you plan on going out to a bar/club afterwards, the black dress shoes,black pants,black socks, some kind of dark blue shirt to go with it-- probably a structure shirt that buttons down the middle. If your ears are pierced, throw in some silver hoops. Some sort of a silver necklace and a nice watch. Now your probably looking enticing to the girl and all you need to do is throw on some Aqua DiGio. make sure you have on a black belt. I'd say put in some gel or wax in your hair. Depending on the type of club, the style for your hair will change. If I'm going to some club that plays Trance,House, Techno, etc..etc.. I'll spike it up-straight, or I'll spike it back but in different directions where it looks kinda wild and throw on a pair of sun glasses(This look gets girls attention and makes it more easy for chicks to point you out.) This look will make you look like a Rockstar and seriously boost your ego and ability to hit on her. You need to remember though, girls like confidence but not too much cockyness/arrogance. If your going to a hip/hop club i'd gel it all down forward. If for some reason the chick isn't interested in you by the end of the night or doesn't think your attractive, look around you in the club and notice the other girls looking at you and leave the stupid chick behind. I'd go off with the ones that are into me and make the other one find her way home. Do whats in your best interest and BE YOUR SELF.

James 08-06-2002 03:15 PM

First dates are interesting and fun . . .

The first two hardest things are done . . . you guys formed enough of a potential to go out on a first date and wonders of wonders . . you asked! So Relax a little.

Now you just need to enjoy the night in a way that allows her to enjoy it with you.

Remember why you are there . . . the first date is there to form more of a mental and physical connection and have her thinking about you in a good way.

That means you have to be able to talk . . a movie is a bad first date lol.

A club or active bar is also a bad idea for a date. These are places where you go with your friends . . .

So you pick the place to help you talk and connect it should have dimmer lighting, upbeat music, and affordable food . . .

Oh and if it serves alcohol, if you are old enough to drink . . its a plus.

Ginger 08-06-2002 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Oh and if it serves alcohol, if you are old enough to drink . . its a plus.
Ha ha, yes! I don't know how i ever got through first dates before I was old enough to have a drink to calm my nerves.

On appropriate dress... well, I probably wouldn't have agreed to the date had I not been attracted to him, so, I'd say you don't have to stray far from your norm.

however, I always appreciate it if my date dresses up a little bit, it shows that they are putting an effort in and care about how they look, so, I'd say:
  • button down/polo shirt
  • khakis or other nice pants (no jeans on a first date, please!!!)
  • nice shoes
  • a tiny bit of cologne
  • no outrageous jewelry (although I can't stand earrings/bracelets/etc on guys anyway... a simple necklace is okay)

Okay, so maybe I'm a little picky :)

But honestly, the date that impressed me most was a guy who came in a suit. He had just come from work, but still....dayum...almost any guy looks good in a suit :D

shultzz 08-06-2002 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
If you need help on how to dress for a first date, you have some serious issues.

I say be yourself. If the girl only likes you for the way you dress rather than the person you are, she's not worth the thought in your mind. I do agree that you need to wear something appropriate and that is appealing to her. Keep in mind you only do this for the first few weeks or until things are hitting off really well. Don't keep doing the 'dress to impress' thing. If you keep doing the same thing chicks start to think it's the norm. Also remember that you don't want to look like you just rolled out of bed or came back from the beach. I agree with CarolinaDG, you have to get a vibe from the chick and a feel for what type of shiznitz she likes. I wouldn't wear reef sandals on a first date. I'd say go with a casual dress style, it depends though on where you are going. If you are going out to eat at a decent place, go casual dress. If it's NICE and then you plan on going out to a bar/club afterwards, the black dress shoes,black pants,black socks, some kind of dark blue shirt to go with it-- probably a structure shirt that buttons down the middle. If your ears are pierced, throw in some silver hoops. Some sort of a silver necklace and a nice watch. Now your probably looking enticing to the girl and all you need to do is throw on some Aqua DiGio. make sure you have on a black belt. I'd say put in some gel or wax in your hair. Depending on the type of club, the style for your hair will change. If I'm going to some club that plays Trance,House, Techno, etc..etc.. I'll spike it up-straight, or I'll spike it back but in different directions where it looks kinda wild and throw on a pair of sun glasses(This look gets girls attention and makes it more easy for chicks to point you out.) This look will make you look like a Rockstar and seriously boost your ego and ability to hit on her. You need to remember though, girls like confidence but not too much cockyness/arrogance. If your going to a hip/hop club i'd gel it all down forward. If for some reason the chick isn't interested in you by the end of the night or doesn't think your attractive, look around you in the club and notice the other girls looking at you and leave the stupid chick behind. I'd go off with the ones that are into me and make the other one find her way home. Do whats in your best interest and BE YOUR SELF.

Just remember, that this advice is coming from a guy that looks like Eminem.

Tom Earp 08-06-2002 05:15 PM

Why shouldnt guys look nice in a Polo Shirt with their Letters? What the F is blue jeans shabby shorts or some other attire that has a beer commercial or shoe shot on it!

Girls dont have to wear frilly frocks but look nice in shorts or what ever!

If I had a date in College and went to pick her up and looked like Daisey Mae, I would leave!

Look Like a Slob then they figure you will act the part!

What doe he's and she's want a slob or a neat guy or gal?

Do the math you morons!!!!!!!!!!!!;) :)

FuzzieAlum 08-06-2002 05:43 PM

Ha ha, thanks Tom.

I get annoyed every time I see a couple where she has put tons of effort and time into looking her very cutest and dressing up and he is totally scruffy. Guys should make some effort and girls shouldn't make so much effort if the guy isn't. Course, I notice it happens more the younger the couple is (high school is the worst). By the time a guy is 40 either his wife is dressing him or he's figured that if he's ever going to get any he had better dress well!

amycat412 08-06-2002 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
all you need to do is throw on some Aqua DiGio... and BE YOUR SELF.

YES YES YES YES LOOOOOVE the Aqua DiGio. MMMMMMMMMMM.

Other than that--dress appropriately for the destination. My bf wore jeans and a t and a button down on our first date and my heart went WHAM WHAM WHAM in my chest because the man seriously looks so amazing in jeans he should never wear anything else.... but our first date was at a casual bar/grill type place so jeans were appropriate....if first date had been at Spago, no jeans.

And yes. BE YOURSELF, that is the most important advice. Its the PERSON inside that's important, not the clothing.


:D
Amy

CarolinaDG 08-06-2002 07:43 PM

MMmm.... Yeah, UF, I think I had it right the first time, you're definitely not my type...
... but if the girl's into that, that's great.

Two points that I want to reiterate:
-BLACK shoes equals BLACK belt. BROWN shoes equals BROWN belt. If you are in doubt about things matching find a gay friend. Seriously. Gay men have the best taste in clothes (just make sure you actually do still look straight)
-Yeah, now that I think of it, the Reefs thing definitely wouldn't be good on a date, unless it's an outside thing or something. But I'm still sticking to my preppy frat boy look! Yum, southern men!

And PotentialPledge... Seriously, just be yourself. I mean, dress nice for you. The look that completely melted my heart was when my (now ex) boyfriend came to pick me up on our second date in an Abercrombie sweater and khaki-colored pants...they were linen, though... his mom tried to advise against it (it was December), but he didn't listen. One of my other favorite outfits that one of my exes wore once was these black and white plaid pants and a black tight t-shirt (raarr!). He stopped me as we were walking to class and asked if it was all right (I could barely mutter a "yes," my heart was beating so fast!). Don't fake it, but try to base on the girl. If I came on a date with a little halter J. Crew dress on, and the guy was wearing one of his faded frat t-shirts, jeans, and reefs, I'd be pretty insulted... even though I love that look when the guys are going to class. (Can you tell I'm not in school right now and missing my frat boys?!)

On another note (I'm sorry, I'm rambling, but you've combined two of my greatest loves: guys and clothes) I sat at a bar one night with one of the Sigma Chi's, and we were talking about what the guys around us were wearing that wasn't appropriate (it was about midnight and one of the guys had his sunglasses on hanging from Croakies! I mean, yes, I love that during the day... but at a BAR?!). We talked about what made jeans good jeans, and what made jeans bad jeans (y'all, I don't know about where y'all are from, but here carpenter jeans went out about 3 years ago!) when it's appropriate to wear a sorority's t-shirt (we spotted a guy wearing a Mallard Ball shirt... that screams "Hey, look, and ADPi liked me so obviously I'm good enough for you... right?" NOT appropriate at a bar... around campus, definitely, but not at a bar) I know it sounds mean and shallow, but get one of your girl friends to sit with you and play "fashion police" if you need them to. We know what we like. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Sigma Chi and I weren't doing this mean-spiritedly at all. He just was wondering what I thought guys should wear. My friends tease me because I'm SOOOOOO picky about what a guy wears. But, then again, most girls aren't as much, so don't worry!!!

Anyway, enough rambling... Good luck on your dates to come!!!!:)

And remember: BROWN belt, BROWN shoes... BLACK belt, BLACK shoes!

queequek 08-06-2002 09:05 PM

How about shoes? What is considered as nice shoes?
Doc Marts are OK?

UF_PikePC98 08-06-2002 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
MMmm.... Yeah, UF, I think I had it right the first time, you're definitely not my type...
... but if the girl's into that, that's great.

Two points that I want to reiterate:
-BLACK shoes equals BLACK belt. BROWN shoes equals BROWN belt. If you are in doubt about things matching find a gay friend. Seriously. Gay men have the best taste in clothes (just make sure you actually do still look straight)
-Yeah, now that I think of it, the Reefs thing definitely wouldn't be good on a date, unless it's an outside thing or something. But I'm still sticking to my preppy frat boy look! Yum, southern men!

And PotentialPledge... Seriously, just be yourself. I mean, dress nice for you. The look that completely melted my heart was when my (now ex) boyfriend came to pick me up on our second date in an Abercrombie sweater and khaki-colored pants...they were linen, though... his mom tried to advise against it (it was December), but he didn't listen. One of my other favorite outfits that one of my exes wore once was these black and white plaid pants and a black tight t-shirt (raarr!). He stopped me as we were walking to class and asked if it was all right (I could barely mutter a "yes," my heart was beating so fast!). Don't fake it, but try to base on the girl. If I came on a date with a little halter J. Crew dress on, and the guy was wearing one of his faded frat t-shirts, jeans, and reefs, I'd be pretty insulted... even though I love that look when the guys are going to class. (Can you tell I'm not in school right now and missing my frat boys?!)

On another note (I'm sorry, I'm rambling, but you've combined two of my greatest loves: guys and clothes) I sat at a bar one night with one of the Sigma Chi's, and we were talking about what the guys around us were wearing that wasn't appropriate (it was about midnight and one of the guys had his sunglasses on hanging from Croakies! I mean, yes, I love that during the day... but at a BAR?!). We talked about what made jeans good jeans, and what made jeans bad jeans (y'all, I don't know about where y'all are from, but here carpenter jeans went out about 3 years ago!) when it's appropriate to wear a sorority's t-shirt (we spotted a guy wearing a Mallard Ball shirt... that screams "Hey, look, and ADPi liked me so obviously I'm good enough for you... right?" NOT appropriate at a bar... around campus, definitely, but not at a bar) I know it sounds mean and shallow, but get one of your girl friends to sit with you and play "fashion police" if you need them to. We know what we like. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Sigma Chi and I weren't doing this mean-spiritedly at all. He just was wondering what I thought guys should wear. My friends tease me because I'm SOOOOOO picky about what a guy wears. But, then again, most girls aren't as much, so don't worry!!!

Anyway, enough rambling... Good luck on your dates to come!!!!:)

And remember: BROWN belt, BROWN shoes... BLACK belt, BLACK shoes!



I was giving him some advice because someone mention something about clothes from structure and i kinda gave him a picture of UF frat boys. WE are NOT Southern sweety. I can't handle the stress with southern women. Too many traditional things you have to do for them. I know you are picky but like I said in a PM, regardless of what i would wear, I'd still get your cell number by the end of the night and have something lined up in the days to follow. I'll elaborate in a PM babe. *smiles*

C-

valkyrie 08-06-2002 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by queequek
How about shoes? What is considered as nice shoes?
Doc Marts are OK?

I've always thought that Doc Martens are sexy. I prefer the shoes, not the boots, but I think they're very nice.

CarolinaDG 08-06-2002 10:39 PM

Well, UF, sweetie...;)

I really wasn't meaning that as negative towards you... Just saying that you're a different type than I go for... just trying to give the guy a little perspective of why what you choose to wear may not work for someone like me... i.e. why he needs to look at the girl he's going out with.

Man, you DO have an ego, don't ya!

And yes, you would actually have to pay for the meal and open doors for southern women. That's why I dated a KA. We southern women love that stuff, and they teach their brothers what true southern charm's all about!

And, I gotta admit, you could probably get my cell number. That number's designated for people who want to know where the parties are, and I'm just the one to tell them... The home number, now, that's the challenge!

PotentialPledge 08-06-2002 10:48 PM

Hey CarolinaDG I thought carpenter jeans went out 3 years as well, but if you ever come up to Massachusetts tons of people are still wearing them. Oh yeah I like going through all the traditions with southern women, like opening doors and paying for dinner and what not. Last school year a few of the girls I went out with wouldnt let me pay for their dinner. Well anyways thanks for all the feedback. It seems Im on track with clothing and all. And I think Acqua DiGio is the best cologne ever. Everytime I wear it girls compliment me on how good I smell, too bad its 60 bucks.

FiReKraCkEr 08-06-2002 11:00 PM

" I can't handle the stress with southern women. Too many traditional things you have to do for them."

UF_Pike....

I don't think we would want you anyway!! So how them apples?

JK.......lol

I LOVE Southern men......their mommas raised them right!!:)

To get back on topic.....I personaly have no problem with guys who wear Reefs or Birkenstocks on dates. How can I? I wear them myself everyday (except in the Winter of course).

But, if we were goin on a classy date, they have to wear black shoes with a black belt....or brown shoes with a brown belt. I hear ya Carolina!!! I have too many awesome gay friends (who work at Structure, mind you) to expect anything less...

Ivory

Optimist Prime 08-07-2002 10:20 AM

I'm starting a shoping list. And a new thread.

33girl 08-07-2002 10:39 AM

Oh, one other guy thing that drives me nuts...

PLEASE do not button all 3 buttons on your polo shirt. You know, the "I'm choking" look. If you have chest hair issues, wear a white t-shirt underneath or another type of shirt.

Tom, if we ever meet, I will pull out the frilly frock for you. :D

SigmaChiCard 08-07-2002 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
Unless you have the body of an Adonis or are skiing, PLEASE skip the turtlenecks.
See, I have never in my life met anyone else who doesn't like turtleneck sweaters.....I love when my hair gets long and shaggy in the winter and I wear T-necks...

ilovemyglo 08-07-2002 12:45 PM

Three little words
AQUA DI GIO
Oh my god... I have sat next to men in the computer lab, in class or anywhere because they smell so good. When go out with my friends my nose picks it up and I follow it until I find the guy. If he is cute then bonus, if he is okay, I still talk to him.
That stuff can make a dog's ass look good (okay, that is an exaggeration but you get the point!)
Thank god my guy friend in class in 20 minutes wears it everyday, i lean on his shoulder and smell him the entire... it makes me want to jump his bones, but then again so does his english accent!

justamom 08-07-2002 12:58 PM

Potentialpledge wrote-Oh yeah I like going through all the traditions with southern women, like opening doors and paying for dinner and what not.

My daughter was talking about this subject after a LOOONNNG
night out with her friends. Manners mean a LOT more to her initially than what one wears. It's a deal breaker for her. She said, a guy can change his clothes, but he can't change his attitude.

Southern women expect what every woman should expect-
to be treated like a lady. (As long as she ACTS like one)

SigmaChiCard 08-07-2002 01:10 PM

Also, I like Victoria's Secrets' cologne for men, though it has an awful name, "Very Sexy for Him" It's good. Also, Givenchy p

amycat412 08-07-2002 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaChiCard
See, I have never in my life met anyone else who doesn't like turtleneck sweaters.....I love when my hair gets long and shaggy in the winter and I wear T-necks...
I personally LOVE a guy in a turtleneck. :)

edited to add: But YES, he MUST be in superior shape to pull it off.

PotentialPledge 08-07-2002 06:07 PM

Does anyone else think abercrombie is over priced and over rated?

damasa 08-07-2002 06:29 PM

I've been reading through a few of the posts by some of the gc women, DAYUM, some of you are picky picky...

Potentialpledge...

Take the Acqua Di Gio advice, that stuff is great. I wear it almost everyday, but I have started to wear Chrome quite a bit also.

Things to remember OVER what you look like:
Be a gentleman. Open doors for her, pull out chairs for her, stand up when she excuses herself (yes we exist in the north also).
Be kind to her, LISTEN to what she has to say and join in or add to the conversation, don't just nod your head and act like you hear her, you are only listening to her. Ask her if her meal is ok (if you go out to eat) you know, all the caring things that you can do, but don't do it too much because it might get annoying.


Like James said earlier, talk to her, obviously there is something there or it is a possibility if you actually got to the date part.She might be one that cares of looks but ultimately who and what you are will be what she is interested in, get that down and you win her over.

As for looks, reefs and birks? bah...not always necessary.
Dress for you, make sure you are comfortable, if you can't feel the girl out for the type of clothing she likes on a man, ask her?! She will more than likely let you know what turns her on about a man and his clothing, it can never hurt to ask. Also, it always depends on where you are going for your date, dinner, movie, ice skating, mini gold, whatever, it all depends on where you will be and what you are doing.

As long as you don't show up in ripped jeans and a faded t-shirt, it shouldn't be all that bad (that is of course unless you go paintballing)!!

justamom 08-07-2002 07:27 PM

Damasa wrote-Things to remember OVER what you look like: Be a gentleman. Open doors for her, pull out chairs for her, stand up when she excuses herself (yes we exist in the north also). Be kind to her, LISTEN to what she has to say and join in or add to the conversation, don't just nod your head and act like you hear her, you are only listening to her. Ask her if her meal is ok (if you go out to eat) you know, all the caring things that you can do, but don't do it too much because it might get annoying.

You might just be the kind of guy that could melt my daughter's heart!;)

shultzz 08-07-2002 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
MMmm.... Yeah, UF, I think I had it right the first time, you're definitely not my type...
... but if the girl's into that, that's great.

Two points that I want to reiterate:
-BLACK shoes equals BLACK belt. BROWN shoes equals BROWN belt.

And remember: BROWN belt, BROWN shoes... BLACK belt, BLACK shoes!

DG. Just be glad that our sox match.

UF_PikePC98 08-07-2002 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by justamom
Damasa wrote-Things to remember OVER what you look like: Be a gentleman. Open doors for her, pull out chairs for her, stand up when she excuses herself (yes we exist in the north also). Be kind to her, LISTEN to what she has to say and join in or add to the conversation, don't just nod your head and act like you hear her, you are only listening to her. Ask her if her meal is ok (if you go out to eat) you know, all the caring things that you can do, but don't do it too much because it might get annoying.

You might just be the kind of guy that could melt my daughter's heart!;)


I'll melt her heart alright!!!!!!

j/k...LOL

justamom 08-07-2002 07:45 PM

UF_Pike-I'll melt her heart alright!!!!!! j/k...LOL

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

LOL-Me too, J/J

You KNOW women are often attracted to "dangerous" guys!

PotentialPledge 08-07-2002 07:47 PM

Justamom Ive noticed that some girls are attracted to guys that live on the wild side. In high school this one girl told me that I was too nice, and she went out with the guy that skipped class and smoked up at lunch.

Optimist Prime 08-07-2002 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PotentialPledge
Justamom Ive noticed that some girls are attracted to guys that live on the wild side. In high school this one girl told me that I was too nice, and she went out with the guy that skipped class and smoked up at lunch.
Welcome to the club. Here's your badge.

Rudey 08-07-2002 08:13 PM

Don't worry
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PotentialPledge
Justamom Ive noticed that some girls are attracted to guys that live on the wild side. In high school this one girl told me that I was too nice, and she went out with the guy that skipped class and smoked up at lunch.
Don't worry, the nice girls will come to you when the "guys that live on the wild side" finish having their fun. And there's nothing wrong with sloppy seconds. But remember to wear the "I'm with stupid" shirt or you might just get passed up yet again.

-Rudey

CarolinaDG 08-07-2002 10:48 PM

Yeah, I tend to go for good guys at heart who do bad things... And as for the socks matching thing... under boots, that's acceptable. What I don't know won't hurt me!:)

HotDamnImAPhiMu 08-07-2002 10:55 PM

I like nice guys.

Also, cologne. ;-)

KSig RC 08-08-2002 01:12 AM

I like pizza, Steve.


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