US Presidential Election 2016
 

...because there was no thread dedicated to its discussion.

There kinda was, but I'm noticing it was removed. Anyway, as of now I've decided not to vote this election. I have my reasons, and I'm still holding out for a third party candidate, but I'm definitely not voting for any of the current candidates.

I'm actually curious as to how none of the five still active would be acceptable. I can easily imagine those for whom neither Trump nor Clinton would be acceptable or even Trump/Clinton/Bernie would be unacceptable, but together Clinton and Bernie seem to cover everyone who voted Democrat in the last election and Cruz/Kasich every one who voted Republican in the last election. (Trump is from Alpha Centauri in that regard)...

For me, it's not whether they are acceptable, it's whether they are fit to be the top leader of this country. I think Bernie has the best ideas, Clinton has a strong political resume, Kasich is a good Congressman, but personally I don't feel either is fit for POTUS.

Cruz is not a good politician (IMO) and Trump is a joke (in many people's opinions).

You sound like a toddler holding his breath in the midst of a temper tantrum. Not voting at all is not going to give you a candidate you like better, nor is it going to help our country in any way. If you can't get on board with a third party, write someone in that you do like. Our forefathers died for you to have the right to vote. Respect their sacrifice.

Choosing to not vote has nothing to do with respect. I know people who chose not to vote in 2004 between Bush and Kerry; that's their choice and if they felt neither candidate was worthy of their vote, then I respect that.

Voting is a privilege and one that I've been proud to have for several elections now. This election, however, I wouldn't feel proud to vote for any of the candidates; I feel like we deserve better as a country. Why would I vote for Clinton to block Trump from getting it, when I feel neither is worthy in the first place? If it comes down to those two candidates - and it's shaping up that way - I could care less either way who gets it.

I repeat what I said in another thread. You are not limited to only Democrat and Republican.

There will be a Libertarian candidate on the ballot in all 50 states. There will probably be a Constitution Party candidate and others."

Can they win? Not likely (well, perhaps Libertarian, but I doubt it). However, isn't it worth our time to show the major parties they are not representing us well and it's time to change?

And if all of us who don't think either of the major party candidates is suited for president actually voted for one we did believe to be better, the message would be very powerful.

So you won't be voting for president because you're holding your breath waiting for the perfect candidate. Fine. Will you be voting for your downline candidates or are you holding out for perfection there too?

Democrat here...
 

I'm a big government Liberal. I live in the county immediately north of Washington DC (Montgomery County, MD) and have voted for two Republicans in my life... I still haven't decided on who I'm voting for in the Maryland Democratic Primary and I'm probably going to vote strategically rather than necessarily for the candidate that I necessarily prefer.

I have an overriding rule regardless of Party in that every president of the United States has served as VP, US Sen, US HoR, (in the) Cabinet, State Governor or Army General and I see no reason for that to change. The last time one of the major parties proposed a candidate that didn't fit that was 1940. As such I opposed both Jesse Jackson Jr.(D) and Pat Robertson(R).

I'm trying to imagine what the Republican Party Leadership is going through, the comparison with Trump doesn't seem to be either Bernie Sanders (who is a known quantity that has worked with the Democratic Establishment for decades) *or* Jesse Jackson Jr., but rather if in 2008, Lyndon Larouche had been beating both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama...

I always vote. Always. Both in the primaries and in the elections. I've missed voting in one primary, and that is it.

One candidate in each race is going to win. Some years my task is to pick the best of the possibilities even though my enthusiasm is not very high. Other years I enthusiastically get behind a candidate.

I don't buy the position that it doesn't matter which wins. Of course it does! And there are many, many ways to be an involved citizen after the election is over to bring pressure to bear for policies I believe are beneficial for the country.

Yes, it is a privilege to vote. But is is also a duty and responsibility as a citizen. After all, it is our country and its citizens that are at stake!

I'm another life-long Democrat. And proud to be a liberal. BTW, where is all that "free stuff" I'm supposed to be getting? :-D

Sorry, Tess, but the Libertarians are worse than the five obvious options. Prime example: Rand Paul crashed and burned.

I find many of these third party candidates as dangerous as the reality star who is running. They just don't have his big mouth.

That's what I keep saying!

I'm not looking for a perfect candidate, I'm looking for one that I feel is fit for the position. I'm just not feeling it this time for either candidate.

I don't feel that people who make a conscious decision to not vote - it's a choice, not a requirement - should be criticized. It's not like I'm being lazy, or forgot about it, or it wasn't worth my time. I thought about it - am still thinking about it - and did my research, and it still comes down to a choice.

I'm not criticizing. It's your choice. Just wonder why it wouldn't be preferable to pick the candidate who comes closest to your desired view. Wouldn't that be better than letting those tho do vote -- and may/may not feel anything close to your views -- determine things?

I never saw Rand Paul as truly libertarian. Those who don't have the courage of their convictions, who want the Republican mantle while they push against it, are useless, in my book.

What makes Johnson different from most third party candidates is that he knows who's who in the Republican party, but was willing to tell them where to get off.

Choosing a candidate who comes closest, but still not entirely sure about, feels like settling to me. That would be like getting married to someone who is almost what I'm looking for, but not quite.

In past elections, not only did I vote, I also planted signs in my yard for the candidates I was supporting, or even donated money. There was pride in doing so. I haven't felt that kind of enthusiasm this time around.

One of my Facebook friends posted, "bring your souls to the polls" in reference to the voting in AZ today. I replied to his post with, "did you mean to say sell your souls at the polls?"

He didn't find it as funny as I did.

My friend in Arizona said it was a one hour wait to vote where she went, in the hot sun. They only had 5 booths available. So, she left and is going to try later today.

So using the marriage example, you know you're getting married anyway, right? By not voting you just walked into a blind marriage. At least by voting you've expressed an opinion on who you get to spend the next 4 years with. But hey, you do you. You can bet the white supremacists and women haters will be voting. They finally have a candidate they can get behind.

By not voting, I've also expressed my opinion --- I didn't side with any of the candidates.

White supremacists and women haters have probably voted in every election; I can't imagine they stayed home and sobbed into boxes of Kleenex during the past two elections.

And yes, I'll be me. I'm an American and have the right to vote - or not - and the decision belongs to me.

I can likely understand why he wouldn't. In many states, churches, primarily African-American churches but perhaps there are others, have organized efforts to get church and community members to polling locations -- often after Sunday services, thus the phrase "Souls to the Polls." I know many AA churches, here in Ohio, the broader Midwest, East Coast and South who are very serious about this.

Particularly in the face of past and current efforts -- largely by the GOP to be honest -- to tamp down the AA and other minority vote with false charges of voter fraud, trying to limit the length of early voting, etc..

Souls to the Polls is part of larger efforts undertaken by churches and other organizations to make sure the right to vote, earned at a terrible cost by previous generations, is able to be exercised.

That may be why dude didn't find your comment funny.

“Surely from this period of ten months, this is the lesson: Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never — in nothing, great or small, large or petty — never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”

Winston Churchill said it, and I believe it.

I think that not voting is indicative of a lack of "convictions of honor and good sense." Or, to put it another way, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Quit bitching; go out and make a difference. Do something. Get off your a$$, stop whining, and exercise your Constitutional right to vote. There are a lot of races, so much at stake in this election cycle. Write a check to a candidate you can support. I'm focused on the Congressional races, since that is where I see a huge potential for change.

In Arizona there is no reason to stand in the hot sun. We have mail-in early voting. Have had it for years. I submitted my ballot as soon as I got it a few weeks ago.

Thanks for the insight. He's neither AA or religious but volunteers for the Clinton campaign so he could have picked that up from the work he does for the campaign.

But speaking of voter suppression, how about those AZ primaries?

http://usuncut.com/politics/5-exampl...izona-primary/

South Carolina's Lindsay Graham now says he will meet with Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland but still opposes hearings and a vote. :cool:

Graham has to be privy to some polling indicating just how toxic the GOP stance is on this issue.

I mentioned this in another thread, but also here...took some time to research and have decided to vote for Johnson.

I wasn't going to vote at all, but voting for a third party candidate seems the best way to let Democrats and Republicans know that I'd fed up with both of them.