I've Had It!
 

Now,

all ya'll that know me know that I don't get angry bout too many things, but this has to be said - even if it makes a few of my favorite gc'ers angry.


ENOUGH OF THE SIGMA BASHING!

I'm not even gonna pretend that I agree with everything that is shown on that stupid television show, but we as a greek community MUST stop bashing each other! NOW!

How dare we think that just because ALL of that chapter's dirty laundry is being aired nationwide that they are terrible, among other things that I will NOT repeat. How do you think a nation would judge you if all of YOUR chapters bad days, dirty little secrets, and nights out at the local club were out for everyone to see? I can lay money on the fact that many of the people who do the most bashing have done several of these events more than once.

We don't know thier ritual (yet, anyway) and we don't know WHY they do the things they do. One thing I am SURE of, things at UC Davis will be very different next year, for the Sigmas, every other local, and all NPC, IFC, and NPHC groups who are there.

I can't believe the filth that is on this chat board over this group of girls. We, as greeks, should be able to point out the wonderful things this chapter is doing.


I apologize for the meanness in this post, and if the moderator sees fit, I will not take offense to it's deletion.

i do understand what you are saying. i empathize and i even relate and feel the same way- to a point. my main objection, however, is that they knew that they would be on national television with their "dirty laundry" (LOVE that termonology actually :) ) and they chose to go ahead and film the show anyway. Yes, it is true, MTV is conniving, BUT they had the benefit of past reality shows such as real world and road rules to know that MTV twists and distorts everything, and will always show the controversial parts to the best of their ability. Hell, i'm not gonna lie, MTV probably made it seem 10,000x worse than it was. BUT they still chose to be on that show... but i'm rambling here.
Moving on, i really do believe the statement "no matter the letter, we are all greek together". It is true, we the minority and must bond together, but that is why the community balked at the idea that some of our own would do this MTV show, thus giving MTV the oppurtunity to give greeks (specifically SORORITIES) a WORSE name when we were *just* starting to rise above the stereotypes... I can't even tell you how many times i have heard "so in your sorority do you guys all dance like those two on that mtv show did at the club? they were all over each other" or "so no pledges takes those rules seriously when they say no drinking, huh?". Alot of us ARE serious, and do not wish for the stereotype to be forced upon us.
so in summary i do understand both sides. It's a tough situation and no matter what the girls of sigma *will* take some flack for it. They do have to be admired for holding up as well as they have, however. Cross you fingers for the rest of the season!

i agree. we should embrace them...not bash them.

I don't see anything wrong with bashing them. They chose to be on the show and exploit themselves. If they weren't expecting this negative reaction, then they are as stupid as mtv makes them out to be. And if you've ever noticed, the whole reality tv genre(personalities) is notorious for getting bashed, so it's not surprising to me at all that the sigma's are getting theirs. By the way, does anyone think people will take that sorority serious now that they've done the show, or do you think they will forever be known as the " fake stupid mtv sorority"?

ME TOO!!!
 

It is okay to express your negative opinion about the show, but repeatedly? Day after day?

I have had the opportunity of talking to Mara and she is super awesome, totally down to earth and very sweet. She has explained a lot to me (although she isn't a sister who "voted" to let MTV film the recruitment). She has told me how they have gotten so much crap from NPC members about being filmed and such. There is nothing that can be done to change the situation. Yes, the "sisters" chose to be filmed, but what's done is done. They realize that they may have made a mistake, but there is no turning back.

We do all have opinions, and I understand that, but why does everyone have to be so negative all the time?? What good does that do?? None!

(I am sorry if any of you become upset by my post, but I am a very optimistic person.)

I actually have to agree with the negatives here. Im all for greek unity, but like every other show that airs dirty laundry, if you dont want negativity dont show it on tv!!!

Im sorry, but i dont see the show as a positive thing for the greek community and I dont mind expressing it!!In fact I think we have a duty to!!

I wont attack the people personally i just feel they were stupid, misguided, however you want to put it, for doing the show.

LOL! Does this even make sense?

Whatever the reason for bashing them, I still say get over it. You can complain in GC til you have Carpal Tunnel, but the show is still gonna be on every Mnday with new atrocities. As a matter of fact, complaining on GC is kinda preaching to the choir, wouldn't y'all say?

bash bash bash
 

When you put yourself in the public light, you are opening yourself up to criticism. (Journalism majors - check out the "public figure" laws.)

So yes, the Sigmas - and all people involved - are asking for it, and everyone in the world is allowed to criticize them.

This is one of the reasons why people should truly think about putting themselves in the public light. (Even you all who want to do those "house makeovers")

Now, as fellow GREEKS, perhaps we should hold Sigma in a different light. When they agreed to do the show, they had sincere intentions & figured it would do their sorority a lot more good than bad.

But seeing the result, well, what is good to the Sigma's is not good for MTV...

I would be curious to see how Sigma is going to survive now, in the future. What kind of pledges are they going to get now? What contributions will these pledges we are "following" make towards the chapter? Will any be officers? Will Sigma colonize new chapters on other campuses because of "Sorority Life"? These are things I look forward to finding out, not "Oh, gee, will the girls get Sigma tattoos on the next show..?"

Re: bash bash bash
 

Okay, see I get kinda tired of this argument. Not you personally, kdonline, but everyone has pretty much used this as an excuse to bash away.

I mean really. What GOOD does bashing them do? Can anyone tell me that?

Because from my standpoint, bashing them on GC seems to serve no other purpose than to show everyone that "you told them so," thus reinforcing your (general you, not anyone in particular) self-importance. If you don't like the show, then do not watch it religiously and come on here to gripe about it. If you don't like the CONCEPT of the show, then try to do somethign with YOUR org that negates the stereotypes. Sorry, I still don't see what good it does to come on GC and whine and complain.

As a greek for UC Davis you'd think I'd be all about bashing the Sigmas. I'm not. They are part of our greek community and part of panhellenic and wether or not we agree with their decidion we need to stand by them and help them get through this. And I'm sick of one more thing. Im tierd of everyone refusing to face th fact that most of the things that go on with Sigmas go on in our houses (though we don't ask about religion or have a pledge house). I believe that most of us would be lying if we didn't admit that we've problems PMN's drinking, disrespecting rules or eachother. We've probably all had to sit down at one time or another and discuss our "concerns" lke the Sigmas did. I defenitly agree that Sorority Life doesn't do a fair job of awknowledging all of the facets of sorority life but most of what on there are problems and situations most of our organizations have faced at one time or the other. And it may be hard to watch Sigma "air their dirty laundry" but i think in a lot of ways its hard because we are watching our own problems and fears, because one some level we all knwo this part of sorority life. We need to stop pretending all sorority life is philantrophy, study hours and sisterly bonding, what we are seeing with sigma is part of it too, though I for SURE wish they'd show more of the other stuff (which, by the way I know the sgimas do a lot of). Im sorry if this comes off as harsh or mean but i had to speak my mind.

I totally agree with this!!!! I do wonder why Sigma allowed certain parts to be filmed, hopefully they were given the opportunity to decide which parts would be filmed and which parts left out.

As somebody who's not yet Greek, I'm going to throw out an opinion.

I don't think the Sigmas are making Greeks look trashy. As a long-time fan of "The Real World," I know the extent to which MTV edits its reality shows -- they do it much more heavily than most of the other networks because they've had a much longer history with reality TV and they've realized what sells best. They had about twenty seasons of reality TV ("Road Rules" and "Real World" combined) before the big craze even started. That's a lot of time to experiment. And so I don't blame the Sigmas for "Sorority Life." Do I think they were misguided to go on it? Sure. But if it hadn't been them, it would have been some other organization. The blame for more bad publicity for Greeks should fall almost solely on MTV's shoulders, because they're the ones who decided to show the slapping-sisters-and-drinking side of sorority life, rather than the actual sorority side.

However, you know what DOES make Greeks look trashy? The fact that a bunch of them get on this board and pretend like they're all for Greek unity, but then turn around and bash these girls on MTV. I've read some anti-Sigma posts that are so vehement that I've just started wonder, "Wow, does she realize how insecure and ridiculous and downright RUDE she sounds?"

I know you guys realize that hazing gives you a bad reputation, I know that you realize that drinking in your letters gives you a bad reputation, etc. What some of you don't seem to realize is how snotty the Sigma-bashing sounds, and how that could just as easily give you a reputation too.

You don't have to like the show. I certainly don't. But it would be nice if you could keep all the cattiness in check -- it doesn't reflect well on you, your GLO, or the Greek population at large.

This show makes greek life look like a soap opera and it isn't. I don't care about what people say about creative editing, storylines had to happen for mtv to work with.

The concept of Reality TV is beyond my grasp. Isn't that an oxymoron (sp?).

For Those Who Are Sooo Concerned About SL and Its Effect on PNM's...
 

Keep this in mind come Fall Rush. "Sorority Life" may not be solely responsible for poor numbers....

Star Turtle and sugar and spice,

Thank you both. I have gotten tired of trying to say the similar thing because some people on this board just cannot/will not get it through their thick heads.

Yes, I was the first one to say that the Sigmas needed their heads examined for getting involved with MTV. That was mainly because I knew they would get edited into something for maximum drama, not necessarily real life, and get raked over the coals on the reality show sites. If there is still a group of women out there who haven't gotten completely jaded and cynical and thought the best would happen, well, God bless them. For all we know, the creator planned to do a positive portrayal and took it to MTV, and was told to sleaze it up. Until he and the Sigmas can speak freely, we'll never know. We are seeing maybe 5%, if that, of the events that happened within Sigma this quarter. Unless we can see the other 95%, we can only judge the SHOW, not the SISTERS.

And when you say "they're not really Greek" - "their rush is stupid" - etc. etc. - do you realize how much that plays up to every "sorority girls are snobs" stereotype? And yes I say girls, because I've seen very little bashing from the guys on here.

So just keep saying to every PNM "We're NOTHING like that MTV show! They are a complete joke! We would never act like that!" till you get the PNM who decided to rush BECAUSE she saw women on this show who are not rich and do not look like Barbie, and she's so turned off by your attitude that she - and all the positive qualities she has that you wanted as part of your sisterhood - walks out the door.

I watch the show because I find it interesting to watch how another organization that is similar to ours functions. For all I know, Chi Delta could have been Sigma 10 years ago when WE first started. They are still new to the scene and have probably never had to deal with this type of pressure. It's a learning experience for everyone. All they can say is that they made a mistake and hopefully we can help prevent other locals from making similar mistakes, instead of just criticizing them and not worrying about Local ABC who is actually considering MTV to help them out. (If you can, check out Sigma Lambda Epsilon's website... I think that is the name of the sorority.)
And I hate how NPC members get all freaked out when they start showing pledge house scenes and wonder if their potential recruits are going to be sooooo influenced by the show, they are gonna think we all have pledge houses, we all drink and party, blah blah blah... WILL YOU GIVE PNMS SOME FREAKIN' CREDIT???? They probably aren't as naive as you all are making them appear. I wanna know what girls are worried about pnms asking them about pledge houses when their active chapter doesn't even own a house themselves. In our case, about 2 sororities have "unofficial houses" that are located somewhere downtown. I don't think anyone should have to worry about PNMs asking that question.
And if the show is that offensive to you... just stop watching. It will only make you more upset, will have you sign this board complaining how it made you upset and then you look like the snob because you want to prove to everyone that your sorority is NOTHING like that. Please... some people already admitted to bumping into glass doors while plastered so don't say Sigma is nothing like you.
IMO, i think more girls will come out to recruitment just to see what MTV lied about. We'll see in the fall. :confused:

If you don't want people to talk about your dirty laundry, don't put it out on the front porch for everyone to see.

very well put, bama_alumna

I don't know about the rest of you, but my mother taught me that classy women don't gossip about other people's dirty laundry, even if it's out on the porch for everybody to see. And intelligent women never insult others for having dirty laundry, because they know full well that there will be some point in their lives when they'll have some too.

Think about yourself. Are you at your very best one hundred percent of the time? Of course not. There are times when we are all petty, catty, spiteful or downright ugly. Now just be thankful that you don't have a camera crew following you around 24/7 to capture all those moments.

Yes, the Sigmas willingly signed on with MTV to be a part of this show. But when they did that, they had no idea what kind of pledge class they were going to end up with during filming. In my opinion, the Sigmas have represented their organization well on the show -- it's the pledges who have had less than stellar behavior. And as a new organization who appears to have little experience with wild pledges, it only makes sense that they wouldn't know how to deal with Candace/Jordan/et al.

Ok so I think the reason a lot of people are talking about the show in a negative manner is the fact that well that is just what people do. Look at how everyone talks about actors and anybody else on reality shows. It is no different! I know personally I love watching the show, however I don't like the show at the same time. Does that make any sense? My one major problem wih the show is that I feel like I have yet to watch anything relating to sorority life. And when ever something that could be related to the sorority life happens they have to make it seem stupid. Like the girls getting drunk instead of being at the retreat making arts and crafts. However I am sure we all have girls in our houses who have or would do the same thing. We just don't know about it!! When I first found out about the show, from an MTV preview, I thought it was going to be like the MTV True Life shows, like True Life I'm a sorority girl. But when I found out it was real world style I realised at that time, that this show was not actually going to be sending out the messages I think we all wish we would.

I definatly feel everyone is allowed their opinion of what they think about the show, whether it is good or bad. I just do not understand why so many people, including how the sisters are portrayed on the show have a problem with the girls who are 21 going to the bars, drinking, dancing, having fun!! I have yet to see anything which I find as a major problem, except for the NM's talking so much crap about their sorority. If they don't like it that much why are they still there? Is it the cameras? But then again i realise that the active members can't do anything about it as this is the first they have probably heard about it.

So I guess my point is that if you want to talk negatively about this show remember that 1. it is an MTV show which means things are going to be taken out of context. 2. it is not like the actives knew what was going on in the pledge house or with the pledges elsewhere. So they are just as blind as you are with your new members. and lastly, I honestly do not think his show is going to hurt rush in the fall. It is definatly going to be annoying having to keep explaining that MTV gave them the pledge house, or any other questions that might arise, but the PNM's will understand. Plus i really doubt people that were going to rush were going to change their mind now. Just like me I am sure they all have forgotten at this point that these girls(the NM's) are in a sorority. I feel sorry for the active Sigma sisters because I honestly do feel that the NM's which MTV are showing are only their because of the MTV cameras. Was it a bad idea to do the show? Yes. But was it harmful to sorority life, i doubt it. I think the Sigmas are just going to have to deal with the negative comments made about them just like everyone on the real world or road rules has to deal with it. But just remember that it is a TV show, and MTV proabaly changed things around, and are making things look worse.

Sorry for venting for so long!!

You know what i'm tired of??

having to explain to SEVERAL high school aged girls that the sigmas are NOT like a real sisterhood

that we do NOT ask our rushees if they are Jewish or put ANY weight on your religious status.

that we do NOT all freak with our sisters at clubs

that we do NOT speak about our sisters the way those disrespectful new members do


gosh....i work at a camp and all of my junior counselors are in high school or going into college....they ALL come to me and say "i can't believe you were in a sorority...my mom watched it and said she would never allow me to join one...i didn't know you had to be jewish to get in...i can't believe they talk about each other the way they do...." i could go on and on and on about what they think about sorority life.

this show is disgusting. i'm really glad they are getting the negative reaction that they are...they are disillusioning so many young women thinking about college life.

young girls don't have anything to compare real sorority life with. they don't know that this show is a crackpot unless someone like me tells them.

so bash away...

The point, though, is that the sorority didn't necessarly make the show disgusting -- MTV (and the producers) did.

Unless you are in on the editing, there is absolutely no way to know how much is taken out of context. We may never know if MTV "placed" some of the women to add to the conflict.

The chapter was very naieve in thinking they would get a fair representation. That makes them dumb (at least in the case of "reality" TV), it doesn't make them bad.

They made a really bad decision. Nothing is gained by rubbing their noses in it. People will do that for years to come. No reason for us to add to their burden.

There are a couple of things that irritate me in general, but can't particularly be blamed on Sigma. Here is an example:

Just last night I was talking to some people that I went to high school with, one of which also attends the same college I decided on....We were just talking about random college stuff and I offhandedly mentioned something about 'one of my sisters'. All of them that have known me since high school were like :eek: YOU'RE IN A SORORITY?? :eek: So I asked what was wrong with it, why is surprised them, why they looked at me that way, etc (all in curiousness, I wasn't rude or anything).

What was the answer I got?? That they were the general population ... not anti-greek, but not involved in the greek community.. And the majority of their comments were along the lines of 'Wow, you've changed a lot.. I never thought you'd be involved in ANYTHING like that??'... 'Is it a strictly Christian organization?'...'You're pretty crazy, do you get flack for it?'.. 'Has one of YOUR sisters ever slapped YOU in the face?'..

Granted, I could sell a snow ball to an eskimo - - I'm very persuasive and a good talker... So after I got done ranting about how I'm not a stereotype, I'm a person, I likened the show to being a same sex Real World... then they all were just kind of like :( :o "Oh, that makes more sense".

Simply because they had no prior knowledge of greek-ness, they assumed what was on that show to be true. Sigma could be any other org...it could be Nu Mu Upsilon Lambda Sigma Order of the Omega for all I care, but BOO MTV for making it look the way they are making it look!!!

So I say enough of the Sigma bashing, let's hear some more of the MTV Bashing!! Because as you've all heard before, and it still stands true, NO MATTER THE LETTER, WE'RE ALL GREEK TOGETHER.

1260

ME TOO, SISTER CASH! ME TOO!!

Being a new chapter co-advisor (new advisor - not new chapter) I have heard from MANY of our collegians about how to handle this situation. And I have heard from MANY prospectives who say "My mom watched that show with me and she won't let me go greek now" or worse... "I watched that show and I don't WANT to go greek" -- UGH!!!

And Bama Alum -- you go with the "momma-ism" -- cause my momma said it too....dirty laundry should STAY in the laundry room.

Oh - and as for the EDITING stuff -- I'm sorry, how did MTV make it appear as though that girl smacked her pledge sister?! :rolleyes: Oh, let me guess...its another CONSPIRACY, right?!

Like I said in another thread -- RESPECT is the name of the game. I never said that my chapter (undergrad or advising) is perfect, but we DON'T condone violence...PERIOD!! If you came from a chapter where pledge sisters were hitting each other, then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong!

You lie down with dogs and you'll get up with FLEAS!

Very well put. ;)

As funny and contridicting as it may sound, I agree with everyone on some level. I am tired of the bashing, but will not deny that I was once a part of it. I, too, am tired of explaining to people that, no you don't have to be Jewish, no we don't have a pledge house, no NOT ONE of my sisters has ever slaped me in the face, EVER!

In a way, I feel sorry for Sigma. They went out on a limb and are paying for it. I know that there are a few things that happened in my sorority that I would not want the whole world to know...MTV is at fault, but honestly, Sigma should have seen some of it coming. Granted, I would probably look just as bad from time to time, but I would have enough sense to see it coming. Oh well...you live and learn.

Blaire

Exactly, that was an air slap and Jessica was placed there from another bar:rolleyes:

I never thought that this sorority made a good decision in allowing MTV to film them. However, that doesn't make them a bad or horrible sorority, they just made a bad choice (imho). This is something they are going to have to live with for many, many years to come.

With that being said, there is always room for positive and negative remarks, nothing will ever be perfect to everyone, and though they might not want to deal with the bad comments or the bashing, that is something they also have to face. It is something they will also have to live with. It is something that is going to aid them in looking back on this event and ask if it was really worth it. It could make the chapter stronger in many ways, or it could break the chapter. THAT depends on how strong the girls in this org are after this series is over.

I don't think that fighting for the bashing or fighting against the bashing of this org is going to get anyone anywhere. I say just let it play out, something positive could possibly come from it.

Personally, I hate the show. I watched one episode, and what I saw was an edited episode depicting some of the active sisters not liking the fact that the pnms were having a damn good time. There's nothing wrong with a little fun now and then, isn't that what clubs are for?!

Its seems that some of you dont think that greeks bash eash other at all. You are wrong...greeks to bash each other and gossip about each other.
As for everyone talking about the Sigmas.......it was thier choice to be do the show. Do you honestly think that they thought no one would find anything wrong with what they are doing?
Yes...what is happening on the show is what happens in some chapters...yes the show is making the greek system look bad...the media always has. Bashing them is our way of dealing with it.

I hope that the SigmaAEPi Sorority Life debacle serves as a cautionary tale for other greeks out there who will now avoid being a part of this or any other 'reality' show.

Aren't we all holier than thou now?!? Bama made the perfect point...you put the dirty laundry out there, you deserve the flack you get. On Sigma's website, it says how they were advised by the University, attorneys, etc. on this show. Guess what? They decided it was a good idea. And now we all see it wasn't. I am sorry but I can't feel sorry for some group who decides to put their lives on MTV. They are young people who watch MTV, see what MTV does to shows, and see how the editing goes. Did they think they'd be different? Come on folks...if they are that naive, that's sad...incredibly sad. :rolleyes:

WHO REMEMBERS? Last year someone brought up the idea of an ad campaign for all GLOs. It was a GREAT idea, and it made the rounds to the private forums.

If we all agree that it isn't presenting the true image of Greek life, then rather than dwell upon it, we need to focus on countering it.
They "innocently" made our job more difficult, but the problem of image existed prior to this show. In my opinion, as bad as it looks, and it is HIDEOUS for a sister to slap another sister for example, it is NOTHING when you compare it to the media attention on beatings and alcohol related death.

The entire SYSTEM needs to work on improving our image to the public. It would be nice if we had NPC IFC et al behind it, but it may not be feasible. If we have to start with ourselves as individuals, so be it.
One way to begin is to get out there with the unaffiliated students and represent our entire philosophy through our actions, words and deeds.

this post might tick you off, so proceed with caution
 

This just shows the fundamental conceit that is very real in the NPC. They deny their member groups, that they are rightly proud of, the chance to be on TV. So MTV finds a non-NPC sorority and films them - then NPC cries foul! "No! We're nothing like that! Our x, y, z is 180 degrees from that!" They wrongly believed that if MTV couldn't get an NPC sorority, which of course are the ONLY groups that MATTER (sarcasm), they wouldn't bother. If you don't stand up and speak up for yourself, then you can't be mad when someone else puts words in your mouth.

Like JAM said, we had an image prob before this - from risk management, but also from the snobbery that does exist in some chapters. I agree that the Sigmas made a bad decision, but everytime someone says something negative about them, we just pound another nail in our own coffin. It's done. We can't undo it. So let's stop raking these girls over the coals for things that aren't even related to the show.

As far as the slap, as s & s pointed out, this was behavior between PLEDGES and if you'll recall, everyone who wanted to pledge received a bid. They had no idea what kind of pledges they were going to get - they didn't change their selection method because they had decided they were going to give bids out like this long ago -- they didn't want to be choosing. Furthermore, this was last week's episode. It might be resolved on tomorrow night's ep, or it might have been resolved that night - but without seeing the 95% of their lives that ended up on the cutting room floor, we'll never know. It saddens me that so many people automatically assume the worst, that it was just blown off, instead of that it was resolved and edited out.

Okay Then...
 

Wow - Leave for one day to see an concert....


This thread will be deleted in the morning. I didn't want to open a second can of worms. I simply wanted to remind everyone (in a less mom-like way)

If you don't have anything nice to say, Then don't say anything!

Re: Okay Then...
 

I have never been the one to agree with this statement. Why sugarcoat something if you don't like it? If it bothers some people enought to say something, good or bad about it, they should be able to do as much.

Now, like I said before, I could care less either way about this debate, but I don't like the show.

BUT, you went and started an entire new thread about this, you said something about this, others should be able to do the same if they want to as well.

I like this thread, it's a pretty good debate, I think anyway.

Re: this post might tick you off, so proceed with caution
 

***APPLAUSE***

This is the BEST post in this entire thread.

I will say it again. WHAT GOOD IS COMING FROM BASHING THEM, THE SHOW, ANYTHING??? If you need to vent, that's fine. But you cannot get pissed when others notice how your venting is indicitive of something else. Perhaps if you all were more sure that your own org was not guilty of MOST (the slap notwithstanding) of the things that aired on Sorority Life, you would not be so inclined to get defensive. who on earth cares what outsiders think? If you are doing your thing like you are supposed to, and you are projecting a positive image, then why worry? You cannot please everyone, nor can you hope to eradicate all ignorance. If the fact that the show has perpetuated stereotypes bothers you, THEN DON'T DO IT YOURSELF. And CERTAINLY don't complain about it WHILE doing it yourself. The best remedy to ensure that the show doesn't have such negative ramifications is to get out and work and show that Greeks do, in fact, do more than party, drink, slap each other, and wreck shop in general.

After walking away and re-reading the thread - I've decided that there are several good points that many gc'ers have shared on this topic. I have also decided that instead of deleteing this thread - or editing the post where I stated that thought, I will add this - I am done discussing this topic, and I can only hope several other join me on this idea. Whether or not you watch the show, like the show, or enjoy some of the 'drama' of the show - it's everyone's personal business.

I must say though - I find it funny that everyone uses the "laundry" phrase - I figured that would help to "country-fied" my personality on these boards!

Ah, well, - Live and Learn!

:) ;)

Re: this post might tick you off, so proceed with caution
 

I think you deserve applause as well, Librasoul22. Great post!!

I don't know... the whole bashing SAEPi seems so "high school" to me. *No offense to any high schoolers on GC* I've never seen a worse case of kicking someone when they were down, regardless of whether or not you felt they deserved it, than on the threads relating to "Sorority Life". I'm starting to wonder if jealousy really is an issue for some GC'ers because some of the comments have been just plain rude and bitchy. Nothing more, nothing less. And, I think the fact that most of the conversation is being held by the women on this forum speaks VOLUMES.

I think the fact that so many people are using the excuse that since SAEPi agreed to do the show it makes them fair game, as justification for their comments, is deplorable. What ever happened to taking the high road? What are your comments saying about your chapter? You're so proud and overjoyed to make snide and bitchy comments with your letters in your screen name. I hope you don't think it's going unnoticed. But maybe you do since there are so many of you who feel PNM's can't differenciate between Local and NPC orgs/reality based shows vs real life, etc.

Stop hiding behind the negative greek image excuse because some of you aren't helping the situation at all. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth!!

You know what this kinda reminds me of? "Lord of the Flies", when all the kids turn on the fat kid, Ralph ~ "kill the pig, kill the pig, kill the pig!!" Some of you are just getting swept away in all the hostility. Why so hostile?

It's hard to believe that on a website with so many greeks present there would be so many followers and so few leaders...

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LOL! But it is a really good analogy. Once ONE PERSON says something negative, it sorta opens the floodgates.