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You just love starting these kinds of threads dont you? As long as Black Greeks get bogged down in these kinds of topics that are more divisive than anything you wont ever utilize the kind of power you could have.
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Maxie-Don't be discouraged. The majority of the Greeks are positive people. They are working hard to uplift our communities. Don't let a few negative things deter you from what is overall a positive experience.
This may just be my opinion, but a lot of people start these threads (see: KAPSI/Omega/APhiA who's best?) and then they don't post again until they start another controversial topic. ZetaAce |
MY POINT EXACTLY MAXI! I STARTED A THREAD AND SOME HATER DELETED IT CAUSE IT WAS THE TRUTH YA DIG. I WAS JUST SAYING HOW THE GREEKS ON MY CAMPUS ACTED AND THEY SAY I AM LYING AND STUFF BUT I AM COOL CAUSE I KNOW THE TRUTH. BUT NAW THERE IS NO UNITY THEY ALL SEEM TO ONLY BE OUT TO BE BETTER THAN THE OTHER YA KNOW AND THAT IS CHILDISH AND IMMATURE. THEY HATE TO ADMIT BUT SOME OF THEM HAVE LOST SITE OF THEIR GOALS AND PURPOSE AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAID IN MY ORIGINAL THREAD.....YOU CAN SEE PROOF OF THAT WHEN YOU READ THESE FORUMS. SOME GREEKS AND NON-GREEKS LIKE TO PRETEND THAT EVERY THING IS PEACHY AMONG THEM BUT THE TRUTH IS THEY ALL HAVE SOME SORORS AND FRATS OUT THERE MAKING THEIR ORGANIZATION LOOK VERY BAD AND UNATTRACTIVE TO PROSPECTS......AND A LOT OF THOSE BAD SEEDS POST IN THESE FORUMS.
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A lot of negative people, greek AND nongreek, post in these forums, perhaps as a form of entertainment, but never for enlightenment, so it seems. What's most interesting to me are those who post here, yet claim to want no part of the greek world. I wonder what keeps them coming back, if in fact greeks are so negative/harmful?
God speed in all your endeavors, Maxie and others, whether that includes seeking membership in a BGLO or not. DG [This message has been edited by Discogoddess (edited May 16, 2000).] |
Good point/question, Discogoddess!
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What is up with you, Burningsands? You always start these topics that you know are going to incite controversy and ultimately bickering. Why don't you take that negativity and turn it on it's head into positivity--you would get a lot more done.
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First of all, I only post these topics for a group forum or discussion. So we as frats, soros & what-ever organization, kan understand the reason behind pledging or functions within the organiztions. I don't post topics to hurt nor degrade another organiztion. If I have offended anyone by posting this topics then I APOLOGIZE. Look at the forum and tell me who gets the most replies. I see all type of positive topics and not very many people are responding. So please, don't criticize me for my topics. I'm posting topics that people will respond to & have something to talk about. "MAXIE" you say post positive topics, what I post is positive. The Truth & you know it. People here voice their opinion. I provide a topic that's all. THIS IS A CHAT ROOM, A FORUM. Do you know what that mean? Well let me enlighten(inform, to free from ignorance) you. "FORUM-AN ASSEMBLY FOR THE DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC MATTERS." So please, get off my back about the negativity topics.
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Why do people want to return to the site, when they think it's bad? 1: They are titillated by such friction, 2: They really want to be down, but don't know how to act, 3: They are BORED out of their minds and can't find other MBs, or 4: they want to seem righteous in their indigation.
And any conversation about fake vs. real, paper/skater vs. woodtakers, starts off negatively. A good site with opinions on that is the The Temple of Blue. Beautiful Site. ------------------ @~~^~~~~ Subtlety is the key ;o) [This message has been edited by Salience (edited May 16, 2000).] |
What makes you real or paper when pledging Blk frats or soros?
When intakes pledge a frat or soro, what makes them fake or real? Some feel that if yu don't get beat down then you are fake or paper. Who determines that? One kan not judge another because he/she didn't go through the same pledging process as the next. So I ask, are you fake/paper or real?
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BurningSands, since you pose the question to the body why don't you give us some insight as to what makes a greek real or fake. I imagine that you are in a BGLO, and since you know BGLO's so well enlighten us. "Let's keep it real" as you say. By the way what frat/soror are you a member of?
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LOL, no organization,its members, or any other individual can "make" you say, do or act like something you're not. We all have something called.......free will. Get it together! And no, I was never a sweetheart. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
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I'm really getting fed up with all of the kriticism. Did you all read my last message or you all just want to start some shit. I apologized several times. This is a forum. Apparently you all like the topics, stop hating. As for what frat I belong too....Yes, KAPPA ALPHA PSI INC..."PHI NU PI"....Asia2000, I agree with you.. LOL must be a reject. Maxie must be a Kappa groupy or something. Look for the last time "I APOLOGIZE IF I HAVE OFFENDED ANYONE IN HERE."
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Burningsands: I won't even take the time to say this or the other thing about your question- I am just going to attempt to answer it.
there is a difference between pledging, being paper, and signing your way into an org. I say you MUST have some kind of process, challenges to prove, not to others, but to yourself that you can overcome certain difficulties- For the most part, it is all a mind game in which you are to prove how far you would go fo you line bro/sis. this has created crazy conflict between org. and within members of the same org. the sad thing abou it is that while WE ALL ARE TOLD TO bring in new members through MIP, many older heads and some national officials show no love when they know you did not come in the right way- I believe pledging is one of a kind experience- There is nothing you can compare to it- It is creatded to take you back to your roots, in a time when you and I would not speak unless spoken to, a time where the unity that led all our founders to create these org. was crucial for the survival of the struggling population. Now, not all of us get to pick the way in wich we are brougth in- I know of people who did not have what I call a process, yet, the way they carry themselves and their org. forces you to give them crazy love and respect. I never wanted to be anything other than what I am, so the way other fellow greeks bring in their members does not concern me. If I had a vote on it, I would vote for them to have a more challenging process than simply taking a test to know how much history you know and become a member as you sign. Again, to each its own- But I am not going to deny that I have made my harh comments here and there- I am honest, so I speak as I feel. I am not going to come here and say thing I know you all want to hear. If I speak my mind and i am wrong as it has happened before, maybe I could be lucky enough to have someone correct me. Hey- youlive, you learn. hope this helped you. peace. |
Hey!!! As far as BurningSands posting negative topics, At least he is not making up things- These are topics that do affect us all. Now, as DiscogoGoddes said, why do you keep coming back? i come here to see what I can learn from all of you- I have learned to be more carefull of the way I say certain things- I have learned to IGNORE NEGATIVE remarks about my org. and those I like, and most important yet, I have learned that being greek does not mean you have a perfect family. those haveing second thoughts about becoming one of us, DAMN BE THANKFUL FOR THAT TOO!!!!!!!!but... Do not judge the whole org. based on a few member's actions.
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I have deleted "which frat or soro is better & animals symbols in frats & soros." I think this topic here is pretty good because members in org. sometime do not approve of "paper intakes" people who learn a little history 7 pay their money. I'm not for hazing, but I think we should go back to how pledge was. Out in the open so people kan see there is no hazing going on. One still need to learn the history, but that intake should have to cross the BURNINGSANDS.........
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Hey BurningSands, ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE OR WHAT???? I miss seeing people coming out at the parties, with the uniformes, sunglasses and with hot greetings for ALL greeks, no only the org. they wanted to join- DAMN THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!!! Yeah, I have seen some crazy things going on, but I believe that the experience should be there for intakes to go through
As far as the topics, KEEP THEM COMING BABY!!!!!!!!!They obviously need to be addressed as they continue to make some of us mad- PEACE YOU NUPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
BURNING SANDS IS A KAPPA OF COURSE! DOESN'T HE DRIP WITH THE IMMATURITY, CONCEIT AND IGNORANCE OF A KAPPA MAN. I MEAN WHAT OTHER FRATERNITY WOULD DEVOTE THEIR TIME TO DUMB ASS FORUMS AS THE ONES HE PUTS UP IN ORDER TO GET OTHER GREEKS TRASHED AND TO GET PEOPLE ALL UPSET OR GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT! NO OTHER MAN BUT A KAPPA MAN!! WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO IN BETWEEN PATTING HIS SELF ON THE BACK AND MAKING WHORES OUT OF SWEET HEARTS AND DIAMONDS!!!!!!!
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Oh see, you are wrong for that, LOL. You are the ignorant and immature one!!! You could have replied in a more mature way, esp. if you are downing someone else for being immature. You're so stupid, I think others will agree that that's all you did, make yourself sound stupid.
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ASIA QUIT SWEATING ALL THE GREEKS WITH YOUR BROWNNOSING ASS! AND MY NAME IS SO BEACUSE I AM ALWAYS LAUGHUNG OUT LOUD AT GREEKS LIKE BURNING SANDS AND ASS KISSERS LIKE ASIA. NO REJECT BABY! TRUST ME IF I WANTED GREEK I WOULD HAVE GREEK! IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO OBTAIN!
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What year did you become a Kappa? As someone who graduated undergrad in 1988 and saw a number of above ground Greek lines, let me tell you that an "out in the open" process does not mean that hazing is not going on. Sure, folks may not be hitting the pledgees in public, but when someone is walking in line and they are limping, most folks can kinda figure it out. Why do you think the NPHC banned pledging anyway? Cause folks were out of control!! With an 'out in the open' process! |
First let me state that just because my Frat Brother, Burning Sands has an opion that may differ from others, that is no reason to slam him. He has repeatedly appologized to people, and yet you still continue to criticize him.
Now as to reason for his question. There is I believe a question going in all of the BGLOS with regard to this topic. It would be silly of all of us to act like it is not going on. Maybe, it could be handled behind closed doors. I am a firm believer in keeping family buisness in the family. And this is not a secure site, so anyone could get hold of this information. Now I became a member of my beloved Fraternity, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. through an Alumni chapter, and there are people who might say, oh if you go grad, you are paper, or you skated. That is not the case, but even if one does think that way, there are plenty of people who pledged for months, (I know one guy who was underground for 2 years) and some of them that took the most wood, kane, fists, hammers, you name it, aint doing shit for the frat. If you came in after 1990, then basically no one should have had a "real process," since this MIP crap was instituted. I have a real problem with MIP, but that is another story. Anyway, I am not sure how you all were made, but the brothers who made me, and kontintue to make me, have said that it is much easier to become a Kappa (or any other BGLO), than it is to be one. I am on a life long pledge process, one that I kontinually learn something new everyday. With over 80 years of history, there is no way that I can learn everything in the matter of a few weeks, or months. You have to keep learning. Maybe I am getting off of the subject, but all of us should still be learning and working to uphold the principles of our organizations. I always ask myself, would Elder approve of what I am doing. If the answer is no, then I probably should not be doing it. I try to live my life as 1) a proub black man, 2) A proud NUPE/Kappa man 3) A proud member of society. I will accept any member of my organization no matter how he comes in. I believe that we should have a process, becuase you should have to earn it. But anyone can take an ass whipping, but there is a difference between pledging, and getting hazed. I appolagize for my long-windedness, but I just felt that I needed to say those things. "my head is bloody, but unbowed" ManndingoNUPE |
This is how I think True Sorors and Frats go about their lives in their orgs. The learning, work and sacrificing doesn't stop once you get those symbols/letters on your chest. Preach on ManndingoNupe http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ManndingoNUPE: Anyway, I am not sure how you all were made, but the brothers who made me, and kontintue to make me, have said that it is much easier to become a Kappa (or any other BGLO), than it is to be one. I am on a life long pledge process, one that I kontinually learn something new everyday. Maybe I am getting off of the subject, but all of us should still be learning and working to uphold the principles of our organizations. |
I must agree with ManndingoNUPE, well said!! I embrace all of my Sorors regardless of their process, age, grad or undergrad. We all know the same secrets, have the same love for our organization and community, and share the same commitment towards community service. When I was pledging, I was told the real work begins after you cross, and this is very true. It doesn't matter what you do on line, your true commitment shows through
the work you do for your organization afterwards. You can take wood for months, but that will not create love for the letters you wear across your chest. To me, pledging is a lifetime vow you make, so keep it! In the spirit of my Greek brother: "I thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif |
Oh, and as for LOL, you know nothing about members of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. So you really need to shut up. As far as ignorant, we all can be sometimes. I can get really ignorant when it is warranted. So just please, if you are going to speak about the Knoble men in Krimson & Kream, please do so with the reverance and respect that is due all proud men of color.
"Many are called, but few are chosen, and some muther fuckers are just deaf." Peace |
Wow, for as many times as I have SERIOUSLY disagreed with the greeks on this forum, and have been criticized by them, I am the brown-noser? Hmm . . . http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
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This argument is tired!!! Everybody wanna say how hard they pledged, but when was the last time you have done community service?? We talk about uplift, but when is the last time we helped a person in need (not your frat brother)? Those same people that bruised my azz up - - don't even go to meetings- much less pay dues. This goes on in every frat!!! New initiates do not have a say in how they are made. The National bodies of all organizations have mandated a specific "process". If you abide by your own rules, there should be but one way to enter the frat. I follow the constitution and by-laws of the frat. Anyone who does otherwise jeopardizes the chapter and the livelihood of that particular organization. To get in the frat somebody has to vouch for you. The work begins once you go in. You can't fault new members for the new process,old members abused they old way.
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I'm new to thins chat room and I've heard alot of interesting things I also am of interest to join a greek org. in the fall. I just thin that you guys need to stop stereotyping and find out for yourself
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...I AM THE CAPTAIN OF MY SOUL!!!!!!! OH HOW IT LOVE WHEN PEOPLE.... DO THEIR THING!!!!!!!! HOW SWEET THE TASTE OF VICTORY!!!!! Crazy love MandigoNUPE |
PhrozenONE: See, here is the problem again- You asked so here it is- I JUST GOT HOME FROM DOING MY COMMUNITY SERVICE!!!!!! I work with foster kids, and BELIEVE ME- MYJOB IS NOT AN EASY ONE!!!! Besides all the paper work and court visits, and so on, I bring some of their problems home with me- Yet, I still go do my thing and help kids do their homework!!!!!!!!! Is this good enough for you? The thing is that I cannot asure you that all my sorors did it or that all org. are doing it. We need to stop worrying about what the next head is doind- I asked who is going to NYC AIDS walk on Monday- ONLY ONE PERSON REPLIED!!!!!!!
As far as pledging- There is more to it than just wood. NOOOO NOT EVERYBODY CAN TAKE an ass beating- Who cares- THERE IS MORE TO IT!!!!!!! I have never heard of a prospective who has been denied membership because they could not take the ass beating- IT IS THE MIND GAME THEY COULD NOT. TAKE AND THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME!!!!!!!!!Being greek is being apolitician- I WANT TO KNOW THAT MY SORORS WILL BE CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO!!! I NEED TO feel that if someone denies something when we are trying to help the community, she will be strong and educated enough to stand up and in a polite, educated and firm way demand what needs to be provided!!!! WHEN I PLEDGED, and yes I did!!! I had library hours (5 hours a day every day) In addition, I had two hours every night during set to do my school work. Big sisters provided for me. It was not handded to me- I HAD TO USE MY RESOURCES!!!!!! IT WA MYJOB TOCOME TO THeM AND TELL THEM WHAT I NEEDED IT- Many times it was denied, but that is the whole point of it- MAKE IT HAPPEN- If this did not work, try that.... Damn- this is too long- Peace to all of you- I am soror to all who see me as such- TO those claiming that we don't make comments about pape/real- YOU KNOW WE DO!!!! I try not to, but sometimes people just don't click- even whitin the same org. |
Hmm, I don't know how this convo is going either way, but it IS interesting, especially to read GFK and ManNUPEs tesimonies- cuz yall was walkin round Jerusalem! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
And, yes, enlightening as well. BTW: "And yet the menace of the years finds, and shall find me, unafraid" to continue seeking that particular goal... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif ------------------ @~~^~~~~ Subtlety is the key ;o) |
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SALIENCE: I am sorry but I did not get your message- Little confused around here- CAN YOU ELABORATE? PLEASE~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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SALIENCE_ Thanks, I just did not understand your comment- I do now-
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I am sadden by the changes made to the intake/pledging process. Years ago I dreamed that if I had a daughter she would pledge like I did. I dreamed I would be there on campus when she "came out" sing the ivy song and strutting for AKA. But, you must realize that money talks and bull---- walks. Hazing only became an issue when parents started sueing universities and colleges and fraternities and sororities holding them liable for personal injuries sustained by their children during the pledging process. In 1984 when I pledged, our chapter was insured for $1 million by Lords of London. Insurance companies are the most lucrative unregulated businesses and they would not loose millions at the hands of college students. At that time in my life I thought nothing of this. But now as parent I think differently.
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FIRST OF ALL I WILL ATTEMPT TO TRANSCEND ALL WITH A SIMPLE GREETING OF "HOTEP!"
THE INDIVIDUAL WHO POSED SUCH AN INTRIGUING QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO ONE BEING A MEMBER OF THEIR RESPECTIVE FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION ON PAPER OR IN HEART DESERVES TO BE COMMENDED. I PLEDGED A-PHI-A FOR 17 WEEKS AND SUCH WAS DONE AFTER SPENDING MY ENTIRE FRESHMAN YEAR AS A MEMBER OF AN INTEREST GROUP. OH HOW I LONG FOR THE DAYS WHEN THE SINCERITY AND INTEREST FOR THE ELITE 9?(BACK IN THE DAY IT WAS STRICTLY 8) TO BE REKINDLED. UNFORTUNATELY, TIMES HAVE CHANGED. I BEAR WITNESS TO THE GUARANTEE MENTALITY THAT MANY INDIVIDUALS HAVE WITH REGARDS TO BECOMING A MEMBER LET ALONE EXPRESSING INTEREST IN JOINING (NOT PLEDGING) A FRATERNITY/SORORITY. AS ONE WHO DEALS WITH TODAY'S YOUTH ON A DAILY BASIS I CAN HEAR YOUNG MEN WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT CONSTITUTES GENERAL ELECTIVES AND A COLLEGE NOMENCLATURE STATE WITH PRIDE, "I AM GOING TO BE A Q-DOG, PRETTY BOY, ETC." YOUNG WOMEN NOT BARELY OUT OF THE 8TH GRADE STATE OUT OF IGNORANCE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE AN AKA, DELTA, ETC. THE POINT THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS SIMPLE. LIFE IS FULL OF TESTS. AS A PEOPLE OF THE SUN WE HAVE LOST CONNECTION WITH REALIZING THE IMPORTANCE THAT LIFE ALSO HAS A SIMPLE EQUATION EMBLEMATICAL OF MAAT. SOMETHING PLUS SOMETHING EQUALS SOMETHING. SOMETHING FROM NOTHING AMOUNTS AMOUNTS TO NOTHING. MY FELLOW SISTERS AND BROTHERS OF AFRICAN FRATERNALISM CAN WE AT LEAST REALIZE AND AGREE THAT THE PLEDGE PROCESS NEEDED TO BE REVAMPED BUT CERTAINLY NOT DESTROYED. A MEMBER ON PAPER ONLY MERITS NO DISCUSSION BUT WE MUST BE HONEST BECAUSE AS WE HAVE EMBARKED UPON A NEW CENTURY THEY HAVE SEEMINGLY BECOME BUT A MAJORITY. THE CONCEPT OF PROTOCOL IS A FOREIGN CONCEPT TO A GREAT MANY. A CASE AT POINT CAN BE OF HOW I AM PROUD WHENEVER I COME INTO CONTACT WITH A FRATER/SOROR. THE IRONY OF THIS MATTER CAN BE ATTESTED BY A SUPERFICIAL ATTITUDE AMONG MANY NEW JACKS. SIMPLY SAYING "SKEE-PHI" TO A QUEEN OF THE A DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE ASS IS WHAT IS BEING SPOKEN TO. SPEAKING TO A NUPE, QUE, SIGMA, OR IOTA SHOULD NOT BE SO STRANGE BECAUSE WE SHOULD ALL HAVE A COMMON GOAL RELATIVE TO OUR FRATERNALISM. THE SOLE PURPOSE OF AFRICAN FRATERNALISM IS TO HELP THOSE WHO CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES. I PLEDGED, AND I AM STILL PLEDGING. THE PLEDGE PROCESS IS MUCH HARDER TODAY BECAUSE THE MINDSET OF OUR LEADERSHIP IS WICKED AND BEING WASTED. AS LONG AS A SISTER OR BROTHER IS WITH VISION AND TRYING TO AID AND ASSIST THEIR PEOPLE FROM WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE ORGANIZATIONS I CAN ONLY HAVE LOVE FOR THEM. FOR THE PAPERCHASERS THAT SPORT THE BRANDS, TEARDROPS, AND COLDEST FRATERNITY/SORORITY GEAR THEY ARE AS WEAK AS KOOLAIDE WITHOUT SUGAR. NO MATTER HOW LONG ONE PLEDGED OR ENDURED COMING OR BEING INTOOK INTO THEIR RESPECTIVE ORGANIZATION THE FACT OF THE MATTER LIES IN WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL SPECULATE OR OPERATE FROM WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION. I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE AN OPERATIVE ALPHA. STAY TUNED FOR MOR CONCEPTS TO BE RENDERED FORTH YOU BY BKNOWLEDGESPR.85 AKA PHAPHIA. |
You hit the nail on the head with this one. There is definitely something you can do to make pledging a positive thing rather than harmful or muder. You can come up with a well developed method of pledging submit it to your chapter and on to the next place in the chain of command. I am about some longer and endearing process as well and will begin doing something about it. However, we must put an end to harming a fellow sister or brother. That part is ridiculous. Nationals are being sued left and right for the dumb things that various local chapters do and is it worth all of that? Being ina frat or sorority is about bonding and doing service to all mankind in addition to some other things but harming is not one of them.
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ManndingoNUPE said it right, I do agree. And I wish that all sorors and sister-sorors were like you Diva6 but they are not and that is why this forum was made. It is about what you do for the organization not how you got in it. There are several folks, as stated before, who were made and do nothing for the organization. There are even those who pledged underground who never earn the letters and what was all the beating for? Nothing, they aren't recognized by anyone. I have a friend right now who pledged like that and he has nothing. The only folks who wouold call hima frat would be those who crossed him because it was all underground. He has since graduated undergrad and wanted to be active grad and they did everything but laugh in his face. Do you all honestly believe that your founders were beaten almost to death for the organization that they founded? Well, neither do I. With changing the current MIP for your organization you should include week or month long community service projects to see who is really dedicated or church service for those who speak of God and so forth. Try that route, then many of those bad seeds will be weeded out. Who knows if you would have gone through that way yourself, maybe you wouldn't have made it through.
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This is my first time reading this paticular forum. It is very interesting. I know that on my campus the blglos on the yard still have coming out parties they may not be exactly like in the old days but it is still tight to see the neos strutting their stuff. I do not know where everyone is from but I know for a fact that at my school they have not done away with pledging entirely and i have a hard time believing that they have every where else. They just do it in a different way there is always away around the rules. Also people can be "pledged" without an outright beatdown(though some people still do that). The necessity of it though i suppose is truly an issue in the greek world I know a girl who supposedly paper but she is 100% active in her org. just as the ones who so-called pledged! You really would not know if a person was "paper" unless they told you or you knew them or the school they attended. I do think that the pledge process did need a change because i can imagine that alot of lawsuits came mostly from those who paid their money pledged and then were denied.......and hell i do not blame those who were done that way for being angry! I am glad that was before my time at the school I am at now. Eliminating the pledge process completely is not cool either but as i said before it is not eliminated at my school and i am sure at other schools people have found another way around it!!!!!!!!
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