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Unexpressed Racism Paranoia (URP)
When we moved into our neighborhood, our daughter wanted to make friends with 3 Caucasian girls(who happened to be sisters). Her mother stormed out of the door to see who she was.No problem..untilllllll she casually asked me what I did for a living...no problem. Where my husband worked, not a problem. Then where did I go to school and yadayadayada. Of couse being a parent , I didn't think much of it. Until I asked her what she did,where she went to school, and what her husband does. Her answers were nothing ,junior college, and prepares taxes. Can you believe it! Then I got the feeling that this was some kind of interview to test my lifestyle. We live directly across the street from these people. Beyond the one time they played, of which we both supervised, our kids never played again. I then started to assess my "paranoia". At my job, it seemed as though my white co-workers challenged my ability. (When I mentioned I went to a HBCU, they merely shrugged as though my school wasn't capable of producing a quality professional in any arena.) Any idea I had was not feasible but they would use it and turn it around as though it was not the same. Sometimes, I would find myself explaining and proving myself ALL the time. And then there is the lady at the grocery who places the money on the table or holds the money at the edge of the dollar or drops the change in my hand as if I'll bite her. :mad: Is it mere paranoia?
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C'mon surely you are not saying that it doesn't exist?! I mean it happens all the time. I have seen some people tell the boss everything I did behind my back as if he didn't say do it.....WTF?!
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It still happens
Originally I started to take this subject through the roof, but then I figure what the heck-let's look at it from a different perspective.
I'm a multicultural female (regardless of my heritage my skin says I'm black). I'm a medical student and my boyfriend is in the military. If the two of us were married and in your situation it would give me great honor to tell that woman without a blink-I'm a doctor and my husband dedicates his life for this great nation as a crew chief in the United States Army. What is it that you and your husband do? |
Yes, it DOES exist. However, you will never be able to control anyone else's actions or thoughts, only your own. Basically, no matter how you present yourself, if that coworker is gonna be covertly racist, then they are gonna be covertly racist. However, you must understand that not EVERYONE is like that. Yes, it is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that no matter what, people are underestimating you and your abilities (and hey, about 70% of the time, you are probably right!), but you worrying about how/what they think is not going to help the situation. My advice would be to:
A) Do your job to the BEST of your ability, and B) Talk to your coworker(s) or your boss (in a NON-CONFRONTATIONAL way!!) and try to see where their head is. Trust me, I got fired (in a downright dirty fashion) because some chick thought I didn't respect her. I had no idea. I did have my suspicions about her mentality, though, and perhaps if I had taken the time to talk to her, I would have prevented what happened. I know it kinda sucks to bear the burden in these situations, but you also have to realize that if it comes down to your word against THEIRS...ultimately your chances are pretty slim. Better to know what you are working with, pun intended. The chick at the grocery store is probably prejudiced, lol. Next time ask her politely to put the money in your hand. I have worked retail, and some of my coworkers had a TIME with this issue, lol. |
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Oh, and in regards to the work situation, oh my, I can totally relate. When one of us (or me since I was the only MINORITY) would bring up an idea, so response. But when my co-worker brings up the exact same things, then all of a sudden it was a great idea. It was like that whatever I said had to be validated by someone white. |
Girl, girl, girl...
I can only shake my head at the NONSENSE that happens in the world today. Some folks go OUT OF THEIR WAY to be racist. I agree with LibraSoul. Next time a cashier places your money on the counter, let it sit there. Then politely ask her to place it in your hand. If she tries to act crazy, call the manager. You may feel like you don't have time for all that, but it is worth it. That will just make an example of her.
Racism continues to exist because people don't get checked on it. That's not the sole reason, but just one of them. Don't let anyone underestimate your abilities, knowledge, or skill. That is one of the reasones why we, as a people, should mobilize and start our own businesses. With the purchasing power and knowledge that we have in our community, we can make a major impact. |
It Still Goes On
I remember when I was growing up and began to get invitations from my white classmates for play dates, sleep overs, parties, etc. My mom told me that their parents would probably ask me questions about my family and they sure enough did! The only difference is that back then, the parents asked the children directly or got their kids to ask for them. MissPriss, I think you were right to turn around and ask the same questions. If they can ask, so can you.
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No one can know for sure what is really going on. Even those who may have similar experiences. One cannot be sure, could be extreme paranoia. It could be your particular city/neighborhood. Or, it could be your general assumption that all white people who question your ability are racist. Who's to know? Maybe your co-workers steal your ideas because they are just a-holes. The perception may not be the reality. But I see a quest for validation rather than a quest for general discussion, so I cannot be sure without more info. |
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Case and point, I enrolled at a local university for my masters..That day it was HOT;it was the end of the day and I had already waited for 2 hrs in line to turn in 1 sheet of paper of which I needed signed .......Anywho, I went to get it signed the SECRETARY said I needed an appt.(when told the last day of registration was today ) and come back in 3 weeks to get 1 freaking paper signed! I sat down to cool off:mad: I peeped around and the counselor motioned it was o.k.. She(the secretary) gets pissed off and reads my file and personal business aloud. So words were passed...Her boss called my boss and told him that this happened. My boss told him that it had absolutely nothing to do with the school...This asswipe tried to get me fired!WTF?! URURURUR....URP! |
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To imply that I am a racist is ridiculous. However, if you've ever been in the skin I'm in you would know that racism in America exist because people take a blind eye to the reality of the workplace in 2002, not just that but racism as a whole. As a Black female professional validation comes with racism. It just has a "friendlier " face. The a-holes I work with are mostly White. Now that doesn't mean I think that all whites are a-holes. It just means that whatever I do I must do 210%. Yes, the city I live in is divided. However,in most large cities division occurs...Blacks/Latinos/Mexicans on one side...Whites on another. They just have a different terminology called suburbia. Yes ,Blacks migrate to surburbia hell I live in surburbia but you can believe some folks just don't want us here so they move further. It happens. But then you teach your kids that life and the world is a bowl of jellybeans. Different colors same bowl. So when does URP stop? |
I was having a discussion the other day with one of my white friends about Disney movies. Since the late 80's Disney movies have seemed to make an effort to show movies based from different countries/cultures. Eg:
Beauty and the Beast-France Aladdin-Middle East Pocahontas-Native American Mulan-Asian even Lilo and Stitch-Hawainn Anyway, I mentioned that I thought Disney seemed to avoid using black/African descendant characters. Only last year, In Hearts of Atlantis, did we finally see a black character in a Disney movie(and a supporting character at that). And the one movie that did use Africa as a setting (Lion King) used animals as their characters. She thought maybe I was reading too deep into things. Is this URP?:confused: |
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I've noticed the same thing. |
I see racism in just about most things in life. That's just me. I hate things even more when people try to discredit it or write it off as me being overcritical. Maybe I am. But that's one of the liberties that I am entitled to.
Racism is up and through all things Disney. Plain and simple. I can write it off as Disney not knowing how to represent our race and not wanting to offend. However, I feel that they think that a feature film with leads of African and/or African-American descent won't be very profittable for the company. Of course everyone wants to make money, but I doubt that Disney will go belly up even if the film loses money for the company. It should be all about representing ALL races. Do we have to start a letter writing campaign? |
OK I'm glad it's not just me. I mean, Disney was OBVIOUSLY showing negative sterotypes of black people with movies in Song of the South and Dumbo (with those crows:rolleyes: ) but I thought these days, they were trying to make an effort to tell stories for everyone....obviously not.
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Should they suspend making movies with casts that are of another minorty group in order to make A-As more comfortable with their movie choices? If the movies are good and the characters are not streotypical then how can the lack of Black characters automatically equal racism? |
No, I think it's great that Disney wants it's stories to represent people from different backgrounds. But I don't appreciate that my own background (which is the 2nd highest racial group in this country) seems to be left out of the storytelling.
I think Redefined Diva is right about the box office part. But movies starring Will Smith, Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy make over $100 million, I think it's unacceptable that Disney would have a fear that a "black" cartoon movie couldn't have an audience. |
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Great topic
ok i've been thinking about racism in america a bit more lately due to the recent los angeles beating of a 16 year old boy caught on video. i listen to a black talk show host whose name i won't disclose, i agree with him sometimes and other times i wonder if he's trying to imitate "uncle tom" but he gets me to thinking outside the box, so here it is. IMO
some whites are seriously racist and act on those feelings (but i think its a very very small percentage, and God has something for them anyway) most white americans are just trying to enjoy their life and are not thinking about blacks (life's too short) a small % of racist whites are planning for a huge race war to take out blacks, jews, minorities in general and those are the people we should be concerned with ( the majority of white americans do not fall into that category) most people regardless of race are/have been prejudice against someone or something (even people of their own race) and act accordingly (none of us can really throw any stones can we) some people are just jealous, mean, rude, nosey, hateful, satanic and would try to ruin anybody's day , is it "always" about race, probably not, i think we should think twice before calling someone racist (remember the boy that cried wolf) racism is "not" dead, but its taken a pretty good beating, instead of assuming its "racism" how bout giving the majority of white americans the benefit of the doubt. "innocent until proven guilty" (unless you're caught on video, sorry had to put that in there) some whites will "never" agree with interracial marriages between whites and blacks, want you to be president or have any authority over them, or want to live next door to you. (fine with me, i'm not interested, nor will i lose sleep over doing any of the above) remember the serenity prayer "change the things that can be changed, accept those that cannot, and have the wisdom to know the difference" only God can change the hearts of men. peace. |
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For example "Enemy of the State" with Will Smith. I took a class on black film and our professor pointed this out to us. Will Smith and his wife and the little son are the only blacks featured in the film. This movie was supposedly filmed in Washington D.C. where close to 85% of the people there are Black. However, the extras in the film were white. The film inaccurately depicted the racial make-up of the city. Everyone walking on the street, working in the stores was white. Not even a black cop! This is ridiculous when the movie is filmed in a town called "Chocolate City". The erasure of blacks is a way of whiting out America. Blacks not being present in films shows how people see blacks as being insignificant to society. It also helps perpetuate the idea to be American you must be white (b/c many people in other countries associate American=white). 'm not saying that this was done maliciously. However, it lends to the racism that is institutionalized. Something doesn't have to be overt to be racist. |
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But SHE is secure with her blackness and does not need Disney or any other commercial entity to validate her existence. I am sorry that you cannot agree to disagree with resorting to name-calling and personal attacks. Part of being adult is being accountable for one's own behavior, self esteem, and image. If you do not like the image of yourself that you (or anyone else) see, then it is up to YOU to change it. Putting this in the hands of a third party encourages inaccuracy on the part of the third party. Also it encourages powerlessness and possible regret on our part. I was hoping to get my fellow posters to look past the tired formula of putting the responsibility for our image in the hands of others and expecting them to behave appropriately. If I must be the "oreo" to get that point across, then okay... |
I would not be too upset by Disney. We KNOW the media and it's bias. I'd much rather see blacks not represented in Disney at all, than to have a bad representation! That goes with any other media.
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miss priss, I thought your initial topic was a thought-provoking one, but after your last post I have kinda lost respect for your stance. StraightBOS often has opinions that I don't agree with, but I chalk it up to her being more conservative, and me being more liberal. Does this make her an "oreo"? :rolleyes: No. Perhaps you should try to carefully read and appreciate (not necessarily AGREE with) other's views. This way, you don't resort to painfully tired name-calling and yes, paranoia. As for the Disney thing, I have long since ignored their portrayal (or lack thereof) of blacks. Even the "minority" characters that Disney DOES do are somewhat stereotypical. |
let's be clear...
Let's just clear the air.....
I NEVER called her an oreo....I simply meant that it is a typical oreo statement. Now, StraightBOS if you were offended by it then please do not personalize a general response. Librasoul I am glad that this topic stimulated your interest to respond...it was meant to. But it would be hard for me to apologize about my own opinions about race and where we as blacks play a role in America today. And truly I by no means expect StraightBOS to change how she feels either. Quite obviously we have two very different opinions. However, one must ponder why some blacks take such a backdoor approach to why UR exist and how we should address the issues. The main ingredient to the formula is US! We DO have the influence. We love to spend our money on the designer wear, we love to entertain, we buy the most expensive cars...at least that is what statistics says:rolleyes: ...however,as a whole, we have not internalized how important we are in the economy of our country today. So when you imply that Disney has no part in portraying us I totally disagree. It's purely economics. When we go to McDonalds or Burger King and buy that famed Happy Meal we are contributing to the pockets of Disney who supply the toys our children get. Think about it....Black Barbie and Christie are the only toys I have seen major corps. that really try to cater to us. There is no Black Cinderella or Lilo or any other character for that matter that portray us living a "good" life. It's that unexpressed sarcasm that is so systematic in our society. It starts with our people when we are kids. Now this doesn't mean that parents don't play a role in teaching our kids the ills of racism and how to cope but it is being marketed that way in America and it is just plain UR! |
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The fact is that when you get a little older, you will come to realize that there are many views of the world. There are views lie yours, who find racism in everything, and there are other veiws who find racism in nothing. Then there are those who come to realize that it is actually a very grey area. Not either or. I once argued to a classroom about the racism in Shrek. Do I think it is racist? Could be! But my point was more to illustrate the hyper-sensitivity of some blacks, as well as automatic dismissal by some whites. By automatic dismissal I mean that as SOON as the word racism is mentioned, some whites tune out because they think that whoever mentions it is just being overly sensitive. These are the extremes, not the norms. Not everything is so black and white... |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by librasoul22
[B] I used the word "may" although I didn't think that was indicitive (sp) of the word "is". Maybe it could be? Who knows who cares.....I don't know if I totally agree with everything is not so black and white but I shall not consume all of my energies trying to figure it out. It's purely mere observation. Do I think all white people are racist....certainly not! Although I do agree with what you have said basically, Life is too short.....so when you get lemons make lemonade.:) No arguments here..... Librasoul, you go girl! |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by miss priss
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by librasoul22 I used the word "may" although I didn't think that was indicitive (sp) of the word "is". Maybe it could be? Who knows who cares.....I don't know if I totally agree with everything is not so black and white but I shall not consume all of my energies trying to figure it out. It's purely mere observation. Do I think all white people are racist....certainly not! Although I do agree with what you have said basically, Life is too short.....so when you get lemons make lemonade.:) No arguments here..... Librasoul, you go girl! [/QUOT :cool: |
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Back to the Disney thing: They have had black characters in leads.....have you guys seen the Disney stage production of Aida? Granted, the Egyptians are played by whites (and sometimes hispanics and Asians), Aida and all the Nubians are always played by black actors. Of course, this is a live stage production that isn't geared towards kids. |
I work in a restaurant where I hold 3 job classes (gotta pay for school and live life!): server, hostess, & bartender. From all 3 perspectives within this particular restaturant, I have seen and heard so much. I know fellow servers (of all races) that "cherry-pick" (pick the tables that they'd rather serve over another simply due to the race of the table). It's sad that a lot of servers refuse to serve black tables because they automatically form a prejudice that the table will be ghetto, uncouth, unruly or will not leave a tip. I'm sorry to say but there are people of all races that act a damn fool when they go out to eat...treating their server like a servant instead of the person that they are. On another note through a server's eyes, I've been told all my life that I talk proper or whatever. By SOME black tables I've been mocked because of the way that I talk. I was even told by a particular table that was black that that I don't have to talk like that for them. When I asked, "Like what?" he replied, "Like that! You don't have to pretend for us" and he winked at me. I looked at him as if I were saying WTF, and I said "This is the way I talk and I'm not pretending about anything". I took their order and as I was walking away I heard him say, "She don't know she's black." :eek: Also I've had white tables act like if I get to close to them at the table my skin color might rub off on them. :rolleyes: I've even had a particular table that wouldn't even acknowledge me standing at the table...when I turned to walk away to get a manager for them the mother said, "I wanted a white server, I didn't want that." :eek: As a hostess, I've encountered many of the same things...and a as bartender things that are said can be rather explicative (sp?) so I won't even go there. So yes, I do believe that racism is alive and well in today's America and it's not just black/white/asian/latino/etc. thing....it's a rotten mentality that doesn't allow people to just live and appreciate God's gift of life...because indeed life is too short. Sorry about running off at the mouth..but I had to get it off my chest. Moderators feel free to delete if you deem necessary.
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A little paranoia keeps you sane...
I am constantly proving my thoughts in the scientific field... That is the nature of my field... However, I get more stares and roughing up not only because I am woman, but I am of African descent... I am not MEANT to be in this arena--ever...
But, the scientific questions I can answer or say, "I've not looked at that..." Whatever... It's the ignorant racial questions that were once difficult for me... The issue was, these questions arose from folks that are SUPPOSED to be the "best and the brightest"--some of the most educated folks on the planet!!! And when I got them, I went into shock... Then, I got defensive... And "to whom the gods wish to destroy, they must first make them angry..." So, with the "answering questions" training I got for my Ph.D., I learned, that I should restate their question, which requires you to suppress every inch of your rage down, then ask these people how you like them to answer... Once you get yourself to do all that, then you start "crackin' up" 'cuz funny thoughts creep into your mind about what they just said... And it is like, you cain't hep yo-sef, you havta bust them out... My Ph.D. professor skrait up asked me if I thought that students who attend a PWI faire better in science than if they attended an HBCU... Now, he knew I attended an HBCU!!! What was my answer... I couldn't hep mysef... I said, the students are flunking out here!!! Total shock on his part... Nuff said... And as you "practice" this tactic, you only get better... |
AKA-Monet, I like that idea of restating their question.
I am a black woman that absolutely loves to wear shoulder length locks and my nose rings. Currently I'm temping at Wilmington Trust where it's PW and half of the black people that work in department are void of culture and try to assimilate. I guess there's nothing wrong with that (although I don't believe in conforming to appease the masses). But they treat me as if the only degree I have is a high school diploma, which is not the case. I have a BA and MA and several of these folks only have a BA and a certificate or just a certificate. They tell me obvious things which irriates the :mad: out of me and I wonder is it b/c I'm black, a temp, black with locks and a nose ring. What is it? Do I look stupid? Do I sound stupid when I talk? I'm always wondering. And the fact that I'm wondering what these folk thing irritates me even more. |
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Does that really bother people? I hand people their money but if their hands are occupied I have put it on the counter in front of them. I would hate to offend people when I didn't want to.
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See I was taught that if you're black or Latino, you're going to get treated the same way regardless what you look like or how you dress. I kind of believed that...until a few years ago. ...I thought it was just me and I was crazy. Whenever I dress more preppy and without any headgear, if I go into a store, I get stares from the people who work there. When I was younger, I was a fan of bandannas and baseball caps. Whenever I went shopping wearing a bandanna or baseball cap, not only did I get stares, but I was also followed around and even questioned about my intentions. When I was hanging around the hotel pool in Indiana two years ago, this hotel manager approached and started questioning me. She had a walkie-talkie and was talking to a man. I think it was security or the police. After, I gave her the answers "she wanted". She left me alone. Then I wondered why she seeked me out of all people. There were other black people present. They were dressed nicer. On the other hand, I was wearing loose and athletic clothes and a bandanna. I guess it was that. Since then, I have not touch that bandanna or any other one with a 10-ft. pole. I'm also cautious of wearing baseball caps in most places and only wear athletic clothes when I work out. I don't know if that was a smart or dumb decision. It's cool that you did not change your physical appearance, despite your treatment. |
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hijack: when i worked in retail, I had kids give me their balled up money. I told them, politely, to please unball their money and hand it to me. Most kids, that I've tended, didnt know that. Some of them were just plain *evil*, but I took it as a chance to teach them something. I show that to my daugther now too.
/end hijack I get the "you must be an oreo, you talk white, you think you are better than us b/c you went to a white school, blah, blah" all the time. My attitude is this: unless you are signing my paycheck, kindly get out of my air, KMA, and get the heck on. :mad: It took me a LOOOOOOONG time to get to that point, though. Some people only see skin color, and that is ok. That just shows how shallow THEY are. I am SO much more than Black, and if you don't/won't/can't take the time to learn more about me, then sorry for ya! Your loss. lol I do agree that skin color is still an issue in 2003, which is sad. :( |
Really, I think the more Afrikan centered you appear and the less Eurocentric you look, the more intimidating you are to ignorant folks...
I can be in my Sunday's best and still get harassed... Then I can run around bummy and get all the help I have ever needed. That's just me... It is funny when you get the most racially ignorant to start being at your beck and call. What you do is make them feel really good about themselves usually complimenting what they are wearing... That's the easiest. Then start asking them what would look good with what. Then start asking them to look in the back. If they run, you can tell they know they've just wronged you... Right now, I am at a place in my life that I just start to laugh at those less fortunate than me. And I sho ain't gonna let anyone stop me from getting my blessings... Quote:
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As I was reading an old issue of Essence (October 2002, my fav) it talked about the issue that the relationships that black professional women have with their white counterparts. (Click to read:http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml)
Since posting this topic, I have since found a better job in a different city and position. My boss ( ironically, a white female) loosely throws around the fact that she is my boss. Cool. However, when she needs a "favor" she always "jokingly" says "I would hate to fire ya if you don't do it". I don't find this funny or amusing. when she comes to my office she tends to be highly critical of small things---very small things. For example,the heat went out in the building, so my office was very cold (we're in Detroit yall!). All we had was 1 space heater ---ONE to heat a very big office. Once, one of my employees forgot to turn it off once we left work (it wasn't like we felt heat). This heffa took the heater because she "warned" them to turn it off and said I should have warned them also--which I did! Now I know those things can be dangerous BUT if you walked in an office and saw it on why wouldn't you just turn it off? It's chit like that that she does! Anywho, I'm having a problem understanding the superiority complex---which also exists with black women as well. URP again?:confused: |
Is it just me or do white folks be tryin' to rush you and stuff? Dem white folks always seem to be in a hurry. I am ShamikaT and I will take my sweet a$$ time to do whatever I want. Ain't no black person ever blowed their horn at me when I'm driving. Some old white man almost rear-ended me this morning on the way to school. I looked back at him, and he was cussin' and gesturing. Fool, I might have been driving 20 mph in a 35 mph zone, but that was because if I went any faster the trashbag that I use as my rear-left window would've flew out. Duct tape can only hold so much. Isht, if he was that much in a hurry, he might as well sent me some money, so I can buy a new window.
I know I must be a Christian now, because last Friday I've would've slapped a tr!ck. I was doing Christmas shopping at the local mall. As me and my peeps was chillin and takin our time to walk to Penney's, these three white girls busted through our group doing that speed walking. They turned around and :rolleyes: at us. One heffa even slinged her hair in my face, when she got parallel to me. Oooooooh weeeee! :mad: The lawd must've had his hand on me that day! Why were they so eager to get to Penney's? I don't know. |
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