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Kappa Delta Phi????
Ok, how many GLOs use the letters KDPHI?
As far as I know, there's an IFC fraternity named KDPHI There's also an Asian Sorority named KDPHI And now, apparently there are a couple more KDPHIs on this forum. Anyone know of any more? |
As far as I know, the Asian interest sorority is alpha Kappa Delta Phi.
So it's not quite the same... --Greekgrrl |
To echo Greekgrrl, yes the Asian Interest Sorority women are known as alpha Kappa Delta Phi. However, I've seen them refer to themselves as aKDPhis or sometimes KDPhis. I guess it depends on their campus.
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kappa delta phi is in fact a fraternity. we are sisters to that fraternity, our own sorority with the same letters. we have the same basic affiliation program and the same mottos and ideals...
if you notice in my sig however the girls always put NAS after the letters.. even on our shirts or whatever. it stands for National Affiliate Sorority. the asian sorority is ALPHA kappa delta phi.. :) so yes, there are two orgs who use KDPhi, but we are brother/sister orgs :) |
Hey Everyone
Well I guess since everyone is wondering about the whole KDPhi thing, I might as well explain my sorority. Yes, I am part of alpha Kappa Delta Phi, and we are the only nationwide Asian Interest Sorority. When people see our clothing it often looks like KDPhi, but if you look real closely at the Kappa, you'll see that there is a lowercase alpha on it. We go by KDPhi and sometimes aKDPhi, but our organization's official nickname is KDPhi... I hope that clears up any confusion. Oh btw, we do know about the fraternity KDPhi, and we are in no way trying to use their letters for any malicious or deceitful purpose... Oh, and I've also been asked about the four letter sorority thing... Believe me, there are quite a few local and nationals with four letters....
That's my say on this topic- In Eternal Love and Friendship, Brown Suga alpha Kappa Delta Phi Sorority, Inc. DeltaSigStan... as far as I know, other than the ones posted, there are no other Kappa Delta Phis.... |
I have a question, brownsugakdphi, and if it's none of my business just tell me! I suspect it very well might not be. Why is the alpha lowercase? I'm just curious because as far as I know aKDPhi is the only GLO that uses a lowercase letter.
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Fuzziealum,
Well this might not be the most formal answer, but it's a good guess. Our founders had intentions of using KDPhi as our letters, but when it became known that there was another fraternity, they adopted the fourth letter (alpha). The alpha is lowercase to exemplify a subscript (does not constitute a fourth "real" letter). Our letters stand for something as do many other greek letter organizations, but the alpha is used to distinguish us and does not have significance other than that. I hope that helps a little... |
That does! I won't ask what the rest of the letters stand for. :cool:
I had thought maybe "A" for for "Asian"! |
brownsugakdphi,
When you wear your letters on a tshirt, do you wear all 4 letters? I saw that you posted that your founders had intentions of using KDPhi as the letters, so I was just wondering if you wore the 3 letters (and with KDPhi being your nickname, too) From a practical perspective, can you fit 4 letters across the front of a shirt? I know it sounds like a stupid question, but I honestly want to know! :D I come from a 2 letter org, so we have a bit more room leftoever! Thanks! :) |
CutiePie 2000,
Believe me (my sisters can attest to this), it's not the best situation to have four letters. Most garments can only fit three letters across, and that's why we put the alpha on the Kappa. But, what is even worse is that a lot of people don't carry clothes/paraphanelia for us or don't offer services that would allow for the alpha to be added. For example, we can't usually purchase laveliers because they are only made for three letters (max). When you add one more letter (especially a lowercase letter), the price jumps enormously. Usually the only places we get clothes from are from silkscreening or our national convention. Some girls actually will buy something that says KDPhi and add a script alpha to it, and that usually works. However we are allowed to have one or two pieces not requiring the alpha -paddles and standards.... That's about it. I hope I answered your question, and if anyone has any suggestions to our clothing/paraphanelia problems let me know! Brown Suga |
honestly, knowing that we are kappa delta phi as well it kind of bothers me that another org we aren't affiliated with wears our letters... i know its something that happens, but still, its kind of bothersome to me... i mean, imagine if there was an aKKG and they just wore KKG letters, or for that matter a KAPhi and they just wore APhi letters... i don't know, just weird i guess..
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Again, it's not the same thing, but when an organization that was started almost 20 yrs later uses your nicknames (DSP, DeltaSig), and gets you confused with them when you're the cool social fraternity and they're the, well.......co-ed business frat, it's also very frustrating.
Especially doesn't help when your chapter is rebuilding. |
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Let me begin first by stating my intentions... I am not intending to offend anyone, but instead trying to share my feelings about the issues already discussed on this forum. I encourage anyone and everyone to share their feelings as well, and welcome and comments, questions, or suggestions. Also, I am in no way providing as a spokeswoman for my organization...
My responses are directed to issues regarding my sorority and the use of our letters, alpha Kappa Delta Phi. First and foremost, we are not using nor wearing anyone else's letters as said in previous posts. As I've mentioned earlier, we do have "alpha" embroidered and added onto our paraphanelia, and at no point do we recognize ourselves as sisters of Kappa Delta Phi. Furthermore, our use of the nickname KDPhi, is not an issue exclusive to our particular organization. Many other organizations use similar nicknames (i.e. "Beta") to refer to themselves, yet it is understood that these organizations are dissimilar in makeup and orientation. For an individual to argue that we can not use a nickname similar to theirs is absurd and creating unneccessary conflict. In addition, my sisters and I have worked for our letters and have the right to wear our letters. We are not wearing any other letters except our own, and because of our sacrifices, love, and sisterhood we should have the right to wear our own letters without the risk of someone getting offended. Yes, our letters are dissimilar to another organizations by the use of one letter, but that is something common in the Greek World. You have Alpha Phi and Alpha Phi Omega, Sigma Kappa and Sigma Pi. You don't see these organizations going at it because of a single letter difference, and so I ask why now and why us? Also, it was mentioned that these other organizations fear a member of my organization misrepresenting our organization and effectively misrepresenting their own. If a member of my organization misrepresents our organization, it is an insult to my organization, and it will be effectively handled by my organization. I wouldn't expect others to get offended because of this, because this issue has nothing to do with them. Likwise I wouldn't get involved in other organization's businesses becaus it's not my own. If a Kappa Zeta Phi misrepresents her organization, none of my members would come running because (1) it isn't our business, (2) we have faith that KZPhi can effectively remedy the situation and (3) we have better things to worry about. Lastly, KappaTarzan to point something out, aren't you wearing someone else's letters, namely a fraternity's? You've said that the letters are theirs, except for adding a little NAS for distinction. It seems like a similar situation, but maybe I'm completely wrong. That could be the case because I don't know much about your organization. Similarily, you could be making the same kind of wrong assumptions because of your lack of knowledge of my organization. I would just ask that in the future, before you acknowledge such conclusions, that you ask questions before you assume such things. I'll just end this message with a little quote, "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet" (I probably wrote this wrong), but it proves my point. Regardless of the letters we wear, my organization would still strive for certain things and still maintain the high qualities of excellence that we observe, so there seems to be no real need to change something that makes no difference... Just some thoughts, In Eternal Love and Friendship, Brown Suga |
i really don't think it was necessary for you to get so upset. i simply stated that the fact that another org was wearing my letters upset me.. i'm sure it would upset any. when you wear an alpha on it, thats totally different, and nothing that i would be upset about.. the thing that kind of concerned me was this quote:
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regarding the fact that you worked hard for you letters, i have no doubt in my mind that you did. i'm sure you gave alot to it, just as we did. i was just saying if you do in fact wear the letters kdphi with no alpha that would be like an org like sigma alphi phi wearing just aphi letters. QUOTE]Lastly, KappaTarzan to point something out, aren't you wearing someone else's letters, namely a fraternity's? You've said that the letters are theirs, except for adding a little NAS for distinction[/QUOTE] the fraternity who wears the same letters as us is our brother fraternity. we have the same ideals, mottos, and affiliate ("pledge") program. we call them our brothers. wearing the same letters as them isn't weird cuz they have the same ideals as we do. therefore, no. i am not wearing someone else's letters. its just the little things... like when i first saw your name, brownsugakdphi, i thought you were one of my sisters because i thought it was like brownsuga Kdphi, nor realizing the a stood two purposes... just things like that are kinda blah. as i said before i'm not like horrendously upset, nor did i even think about it after i posted that response. i don't have anything against you or your org, i was just like hmm that sucks... one last night.. you said if someone misrepresented themselves that you wouldn't go running to worry about it. personally, if i saw someone wearing my letters who wasn't my sister i'd be pretty upset. maybe we are different with out letters here, each org has different regulations... and let me leave with a quote as well. "sisterhood is valued and sacred. let no one take that." peace, love and, lollipops, mtsnd KappaTarzan |
I'm a brother of Kappa Delta Phi national fraternity.
we are a NIC Greek org and has been in existence since 1900. we have a National Affiliate Sorority. they were KDP nas. we share many of the same values and traditions. However their always have the NAS in their letters. they NEVER just wear KDPhi as their letters. it is more then a little disturbing to see another Greek org using our letters. and by that i make reference to alpha KDPhi. if they knew that there was already a KDPhi out there why use our letters and work around it with just using a smaller case a?which they seem to not use half the time. if a new org wants to be called TKE or ZBT and learn that those letters are already in use, what's next? lower case bTKE? or xZBT? any way you get the idea. i find it more disturbing that they often do not wear or display the lower case a on their shirts and websites often just calling themselves KDPhi, in essence, stealing my over 100 year old letters. if someone out there wanted to name themselves Kappa Zeta Phi, i wouldn't care. and why? cause it's a Zeta and not a Delta that can easily and readily dropped from their letters. even if KZphi wanted to to drop the Z they would be KPhi. alpha Kappa delta Phi appears to have no problem in dropping their alpha in a great deal of their web literature and pictures. in any case. I hold no ill will toward the sisters of alpha Kappa Delta Phi and wish them well. I just wish they had not used our over 100 year old letters. Hopefully there will be no beta Kappa Delta phis or gamma Kappa delta phis in the near future to further complicate the issue. |
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Also, many GLOs share some of the same letters. Pi Kappa Alpha was founded after Kappa Alpha, and there are two different Kappa Alpha fraternities. Alpha Delta Gamma was founded after Delta Gamma. There are many similar examples. Unless you copywrited your letters, you have no grievance. |
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The letters clearly have meaning to both groups. Grow up and get over it. |
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And as far as PiKA & KA...that is NOT the same thing. They added an UPPERCASE letter, and I've never heard of PiKAs calling themselves "KA" or ADGs calling themselves just DG. I totally understand where Kappa Crow is coming from. |
But Russell, AGD's don't walk around with Delta Gamma on their chests. I'd be pretty upset if Phi Mu Alpha left out the Alpha and walked around with Phi Mu.
Doesn't anyone remember why we are not allowed to say Rho Chis anymore for recruitment counselor? If you're a panhel sorority girl who's been in for over a year, you should know. Unless you never called it Rho Chi. Senusret I get what you're saying. I know that Alpha Phi Alpha holds everything of their fraternity sacred, even "calls". So how would you feel if an organization a lot younger than you popped up with Alpha Phi Alpha? You might feel the same way. But aKDPhi's founders made their letters so that way, so there is prolly no turning back. If it is such a problem, then KDPhi and KDPhi nas's Nationals should ask aKDPhi to make sure to add that "a" on their stuff. Life isnt' fair. Panhels across the inter/nation had to change their recruitment manuals to exclude the term Rho Chi. It happens. ETA: I'm thinking of starting a sorority. I want it to be like Sigma Kappa, but not. I want to use all of their stuff, but it won't be Sigma Kappa. I'll call it Sigma Kappa Epsilon Pi. |
If KDF is not a registered trademark, then they have no legitimate grievance.
If it is a registered trademark, then the must sue aKDF to cease and desist. If they do not, then KDF will eventually become public domain, and again, they will have no legitimate grievance. |
No one would have any issue about this if the sorority used an upper case A. and the actually called themselves Alpha Kappa Delta Phi. Perhaps they should to avoid any trouble?
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Whatever. Yeah it's a bitch...like getting a tiny scuff on your shoes. But at the end of the day you know you can't do anything about it and when you tell people that it's frustrating, it makes you look like a complainer. Seriously it does.
It's a lose-lose situation. Just make fun of each other behind each other's backs so that way people will think you've got confidence. -Rudey --Awesome |
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I think you would be pretty annoyed if there was a local at Grove City calling themselves beta Phi Kappa Psi and leaving the Beta off half the time. |
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I expected that college-educated people knew how to do research on subjects they are interested in and acquire relevant research tools to use. Sorry, my mistake.
ETA that even if you don't know specifically what "Baird's Manual" is, the thought should cross your mind that somewhere there might be a large book or online reference showing names of Greek organizations that have already been used. |
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OK seriously guys I don't like this argument. Can you throw some dead baby jokes in? Arguments are cool if they aren't bickering or if they're funny. You two can do better.
-Rudey --OK? |
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When Sigma Phi Epsilon was founded at Richmond (Virginia) College in 1901, the founders called the group Sigma Phi. Only after they had ordered their new badges that they learn that there was already a Sigma Phi Fraternity -- small and mostly northeastern, but one of the Union Triad. The founders of Sig Ep did some quick research, decided upon a Greek word starting with Epsilon that "worked" for them, and had to contact the jeweler to have the Epsilon added to the bottom of the heart-shaped badge. In 1904, the Adelphian Society at Wesleyan College (Macon, Georgia) decided to go national and adopted the name (naturally enough) Alpha Delta Phi. Later it was learned that there was already a fraternity by that name -- again, small and mostly northern/northeastern -- so in 1913, Alpha Delta Phi (sorority) changed the last letter of its name and became Alpha Delta Pi. The founders/members of alpha Kappa Delta Phi learned, after choosing their name, that there was already a fraternity (and national affiliated sorority) by the same name. They chose a way that seemed appropriate to them and to the meaning of their name and ideals to deal with that situation. Would it have been "cleaner" if they had followed the examples of Sigma Phi Epsilon and Alpha Delta Pi? Sure, but it was their call to make, not anyone else's, and grousing about it isn't likely to accomplish anything except creating hard feelings. |
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I also empathize with KappaTarzan. We all thrive on the uniquness of our groups, and yeah, it kind of sucks that there are other organizations that use an Anchor as their symbol. But, I'm not going to get all pissed off about it, because there ain't much I can do! aj |
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Root beer and two scoops of dead baby. OK so basically I feel that if the national organization added the "a" to the front of their letters then the sisters should be embracing that and not leaving the "a" off of lettered shirts, websites, etc. But as russell said . . . if Kappa Delta Phi was a trademarked name they can feel free to sue AKDPhi for improper use -- and if it's not, legally AKDPhi has done nothing wrong as far as I can tell. Of course, morally is another story -- but I'm not sure I get the fuss over the difference between a capital letter and a small one. I'm not going to be too worried if some sorority pops up and starts calling themselves delta Delta Delta Delta . . . but maybe that's just me. Obviously the letters have meaning to both groups and at this point it seems kind of silly to me to get possessive about it -- crying over spilled milk, really. It's not going to do anything except create bad blood. |
If this is of enough to concern to the heads of your organizations, there will be movement to make a change. If you feel enough concern, write a letter to your nationals. They will certainly want to hear your ideas and feelings.
Some food for thought. Alpha Delta Pi, originally the Adelphean Society, went to Greek Letters in the early 20th Century. The name selected to represent the Adelphean Society was Alpha Delta Phi. The name was approved and we joined the NPC. Within time, it was discovered that a GLO named Alpha Delta Phi already existed! The Adelpheans-turned-ADPhi changed the group's name to Alpha Delta Pi to avoid confusion, which is has remained ever since. There's always a happy medium. Just run it through the chain of command. |
33girl, PM mama, thank you for sympathizing. I didn't intend for this to become a huge topic of debate, seriously! It wasn't even started by me. :)
It just becomes a matter of annoyance, which everyone has allready stated. if someone has similiar letters it is a completely different story- but to add a tiny little lowercase letter which isn't even used alot of the time? it's just slightly ridiculous. PM Mama, can i be in your new sorority??!! sounds super fun to me. ;) |
Hmm. This thread was extinct (ok, dormant) since 1902; until Kappa crow posted on it today. The bad cop in me can't help thinking if it hasn't been discussed on here in two years it's not that controversial.
I don't think there is any question of either group or set of members wanting to or trying to pass themself off as the other. For a start one is an Asian interest sorority and the other is an NIC fraternity and if the brother of Kappa Delta Phi on here is concerned he and his brothers may be mistaken for the ladies of aKDP than he needs more help than he can get on this bulletin board. :p ;) Wasn't there another incidence of this that I heard about on GC ages ago? [After a brief search...] I believe Sigma Sigma Sigma sorority is known as Tri Sigma; but never Tri Sig as (link) Tri Sig refers to a GLO geared toward women identifying as lesbian. |
I wonder if the Alpha Chi's got all pissy when they found out that some crazy girls in Arkansas - with the help of a dentist nonetheless - started a new sorority that had their same name - except for the Alpha?!?! :D
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