Family Love?
 

Was the "Family Love" thread deleted? If so, why?

I think so. It was too much drama. :D

It's Outta Here!
 

Well, I asked the moderator to lock it down, but I see he took one extra step and just deleted it entirely.

What started as a MATURE discusssion ended up becoming people going back and forth at each other, being downright disrespectful towards each other, and we completely lost focus of what we were talking about.

I'd personally like to keep discussing it, but on a mature level, of course...I asked for it to be locked down because it was getting out of control...but maybe in the future we can discuss that as adults. At least some of us were trying to the whole way through.

then maybe. . .
 

1) Is it possible for the moderator to come up with a set of rules for the board, particularly about respect?

2) Can particular posts be deleted, or does the entire thread have to be?

3) What do you mean by "locking" a thread? Do you mean closing it so that it is "read-only?"

4) I really hope we can continue in that dialogue in the future.

Re: then maybe. . .
 

3)Yes when someone locks a thread it is "read only".

4) As long as it doesn't get "ghetto". :D

An Explanation
 

I wanted to just lock the thread, however my computer just kept thinking about doing that for 20 minutes, so, I became impatient and just deleted the whole thing. Sorry about that. However, it doesn't take away from the fact that many feelings were getting too revved up and many newbies were concerned about the flare-up. Also, I recieved numerous PM requests to shut it down, so, I did. As a Moderator I'm obligated to listen to the requests of those who post here. Healthy debate is good, but it must be respectful and constructive. We can disagree without being disagreeable. Happy posting!

Well?
 

Can we give this another shot then? I thought it was a good dialouge, even if it was between like, 5 people :D

Brother Moderator, I won't start until I get a green light from ya...
It was good convo, I'd like to pick it back up.

OK
 

You have the go ahead! :)

Re: then maybe. . .
 

Well...got more thoughts that you haven't shared yet, sir? :D
I'm still thinking on mine...

Yeah, I asked the moderator to delete the thread myself. When I noticed that over 1000 users had viewed the thread, I knew right then and there it had to go. Plus, outsiders we're pm-ing me about it. It didn't look good.

I have a million and ten things I could discuss regarding APO and GSS. What would you guys like to talk about?

I'm still pondering my thoughts, too.

I actually had a few paragraphs typed out. . .but y'all ain't ready, lol.

:)

Well, bruh...just start with 1 :p :D then I can try to pick it up. Ask a question.

Buffalo Soldier, don't tease with that comment, man! I wanna see the paragraphs, man!

Gamma Girl. . . .naw. . .remember the onion I was talking about? Like I said, many layers and a smelly center. . . :)

superpledge. . .you might not be looking for my opinion on anything in particular, but if you are, you can always PM me.

Yeah, it's here again
 

Hello all,

I know we haven't talked about this one in a minute. And this thread was probably one of the best convos I have had with my brothers and sisters.

The reason why I'm bringing this back up...I met a couple of you at the annual Cookout this year (Casanova, Big Papa 29 and bro_strawter, but he didn't know my face when I hugged him, lol). And I wanted to ask some questions, to get it started.

The first question is actually directed to Casanova, who pledged at a co-ed chapter and this was his first "exposure", if you will, to the 25/52 family. What did you think? Honestly. I'd like to see what your opinon is on everything...hopefully it's not too loaded. But I think I need to see how you're looking at it from a co-ed member perspective.

And to my Psi Phi peeps...I did meet see young lady that was a member of your chapter and I don't think anybody treated her disrespectfully while she was there. But because ya'll are openly co-ed, and an African-American chapter as well, how well does your chapter "fit in" in the family? Have ya'll ever had drama before with other brothers/chapters because of it?

And to the group: I don't know about APO Nationals, but I believe my Nationals just doesn't know what to do with the fact that some of their members associate with APO...and the entire thing is not official to start with. Would it help any if we acknowledged each other more formally, including each other's organization in our history? Or maybe another avenue? I'm asking because I think in order for people to take "us" seriously, we are going to have to do something, and fast.

I think that's it for right now...let me hear your thoughts!

APO recognizes GSS...one sentence in the pledge manual is more than enough. That one small step probably took a half a century.

Soror,

That's a good point, but from what I was told it wasn't exactly in the most positive way. More like Gamma Sig was in "violation" of Title X (or whatever title it was, lol). And you know that it's not written ANYWHERE in Gamma Sig history-it's more verbal than anything because one of our founders said it.

So to me, that one sentence isn't enough...and we ought to be portrayed in a more positive light...if I was misquoting the above, let me know.

well last i checked that wasnt so. I dont know how they could get that out of one sentence, but the pledge manual is online you can look it up for yourself.

Besides thats not the real point, the point is the wheels of APO turn very slowly and if you try to push it, its more than likely to stop all together than move forward. Some of us know it takes lots of time and planning to make things happen with apo. right now some of us are at the 2 year point and things are finally coming to the forefront

"And to the group: I don't know about APO Nationals, but I believe my Nationals just doesn't know what to do with the fact that some of their members associate with APO...and the entire thing is not official to start with. Would it help any if we acknowledged each other more formally, including each other's organization in our history? Or maybe another avenue? I'm asking because I think in order for people to take "us" seriously, we are going to have to do something, and fast." - Gamma_girl52

I am confused. (I just read this thread, and I don't know what was said in the other thread that was deleted.) Why do you feel that it is important to your sorority to be recognized by my fraternity? Who is the "us" that you refer to? Is it Gamma Sigma Sigma alone or both Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sigma Sigma?

Although I do understand that Gamma Sigma Sigma has a very close relationship with many chapters, the same can be said of Omega Phi Alpha. I think everyone should be proud of their history, as I am proud of mine. That being said, not all chapters of Alpha Phi Omega are affliliated with a service sorority and even if a service sorority is located on their campus, that partnership should be left to each chapter's discretion, regardless of history. I would be worried about that, if added to our history, Gamma Sigma Sigma would be too closely associated. (I mean no disrepect to your organization, but where would the line be drawn?)

Ultimately to ask Nationals or to vote at the convention to add Gamma Sigma Sigma more formally to our history is not something I would support.

In Leadership, Friendship and Service,

PrettyDrLuv

Dont think anyone would vote in favor of this one, i know i wouldnt vote for it either. The argument would probably be too strong against it. There are too many things that can turn awry ( i think thats the word i am looking for) and there is not enough answer to the question of why it is necessary/needed. It would have to benefit apo somehow for something like that to even come up for discussion so maybe we should tackle that.

How would it benefit APO as a whole (emphasis on the entire Nat'l org) to include GSS in its history? What about Omega Phi Alpha I mean if APO were to include anyone (not that it would happen mind you)I would expect it to be an org that includes it in its nat'l history. But it still goes back to how this would benefit APO...the service supermonster.

I apologize if anything wasn't clear in the beginning. It wouldn't be, because the other thread was deleted and you would have known some other things talked about in that other thread.

I personally find it important because (without boring you too much with GSS history) our founders found that they wanted to form an organization similar to Alpha Phi Omega. Some of the founders were dating APO men at the time. So they credit APO a little bit for the reason why Gamma Sig was founded. Alpha Phi Omega wasn't the SOLE reason why, but important just the same. When GSS held a Convention some years after their founding, they invited the National President of your fraternity to participate.

You are right. It is up to each chapter to decide whether or not they want to affiliate with a service sorority on that campus. There are campuses where Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sig very openly acknowledge each other as brother and sister. So what I'm saying is that the relationship is there-why are people not acknowleging it. It's like it doesn't even exist and the national bodies of BOTH organizations know this is going on, but are not even speaking on it. Now that this relationship (otherwise known as "25/52") is growing, now everyone is examining it, trying to find out just where it came from. Maybe I'm seeing this more from my Nationals. The vibe I'm getting from most APO members is, "We really don't care and we're really not voting on that". Which is cool.

Hopefully this gave you some more clarification on the subject.

It seems to me that APO is an important part of our history because of the relationship between our founders and the APO men and that is something that should be preserved.
Just like with Phi Rho Eta Social Frat being foudned by ALpha phi Omega men and then using Frnak Reed Horton;s initials to come up with their letters. If I'm wrong correct me but the family is a way of preserving the relationship between our founders and Alpha Phi Omega so I dont understand why so any APO discredit the relationship it should be an honor to know that those before you were influential in the creation of the wonderful sorority.
Notorious

Well, Sawrah...
 

That's what we'd like to think with your above statement, but unfortunately the reality is that many Alpha Phi Omega members don't understand, know about, or care about the relationship between our sorority and their fraternity. And you know what, I can even say that with our OWN sisters...some of them don't know what the deal is and are not trying to know as well.

Which is why I am saying, this needs to be on paper, documented that the relationship is indeed there. I don't know about you soror, but when I was pledging, this is what I was taught. Not only did I learn about the 25/52 family, but I also learned about the history of the fraternity overall (basic info, not anything else). And this is why 25/52 continues. We teach it to new members and it spreads, however what's missing is not having it OFFICIALLY on paper somewhere. It's oral history and that's not "valid" if you feel what I'm saying. The story is there, most people in both orgs know about it, but the validity is not there.

Now it got me to thinking too, none of the D9 orgs (with the exception of the Blue and White) officially recognize those relationships between their orgs either. But the difference is, it's across the board.

What about that?

25/52
 

oh no 25-52
 

I hope thats not what this thread is going to end up talking about. Now i got to wonder was this just a ploy to get people talking about the "sect" definite no-no( only you would get that Bsoldier). Geez!sadness.

Re: 25/52
 

Well,

That is true. It doesn't include everyone (female frat members/male sorority members). But maybe that is the problem...*sigh* See, now that means we would have to get into why this was even created in the first place and I really do not want to get into that. The whole thread would be on fire, lol.

For me, I don't care about whether or not there are women in Alpha Phi Omega...that decision was made even before I was thought about. I have love for everybody, and quite frankly I'm about business within Gamma Sig and no where else. It's not so much that I'm burning up to get this documented-perhaps it doesn't need to be because we as organizations are doing just fine without it. I think what I am trying to do is let people know that we're out there and we're actually about something positive, not sitting around bashing those who don't participate.

This isn't going to turn into a pro-fam or against-fam discussion, because it's everybody's individual choice. Me, if you're a fraternity member then you're my brother, hands down. Male, female, whatever. It is so much bigger than that at least to me. I think we need to just have respect for each other's individual choice in organization. Does everybody feel me.

questions about Gamma Sigma Sigma
 

After reading some more messages, I still maintain my original position and agree with Virtuous Woman. This is pretty interesting, although I do not understand some of it.

I do have some questions about Gamma Sigma Sigma. First, how many chapters currently are at universities that also have active chapters of Alpha Phi Omega? How many active chapters does Gamma Sigma Sigma have all together? (I have heard of your sorority, but know of no member personally.) Also, would it be fair to say that most of the chapters of Alpha Phi Omega that you, personally, are affiliated with are co-ed? (I know of less than 12 all-male chapters, maybe less.)

Maybe that would help me understand this more.

Thanks for your help.

In Leadership, Friendship and Service,
PrettyDrLuv

In all honesty most co-ed chapters that I know of don't really associate on the level with Gamma Sigs that all male chapters do. The guys don't like to upset the female members and I respect that so I just step off. I personally have no problem with female APOs because we have more in common than male APOs because not only are we about service but we're also women. SOme sorors don't feel the same some do. We need to communicate because if the two groups were able to come together and work it would be great for ou communities and schools
NOtorious #4

I'd have to get back to you on your first question but there's a good amount. Some recognize each other as bro/sister, most do not.

Gamma Sig has a total of 45 chapters counting alum.

I have met brothers that pledged @ a co-ed chapter, but still recognize me as a sister.

Soror, I'll e-mail you or pm you when I get a chance. I'm sure you know, your post will go nowhere here. Perhaps you might need to direct your questions to "our" board.

NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

Lets talk about family hate. Like........oooh I just HATE Bsoldier, he be getting on the nerves!!!! I swear he think he be talking about knowledge...somebody needs to stop listening to the voices in his head for real.

Re: NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

Yes, let's talk about family hate indeed. I HATE me some Q5. I mean, can the name be any shorter? So po' she can't afford words. So don't be hating because I know how to read and write and punctuate. . .reading is fundamental!

Re: Re: NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

alrighty now sound like somebody want to sing the toast song naked in a cold river......talk now brother dear....but you know i know where to find you. Mr. Intellinegro got jokes, we'll see how long you can hold up against the devil herself.

Re: Re: Re: NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

Whatever hater! I done sung the toast song naked and upside down on a frozen lake! And I had to recite the founders backwards with a match between my eyelids.

And if you the Devil, what does that make me?

Re: Re: Re: Re: NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

Well i guess some would say the anti-christ. i think i will go with mephistophicles ( if you have to look that up i will personally sock you in the head)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

Oh trust me, I know. . .lol. . .I think I'll put that on my jacket.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

Now there's an idea. I was going to put some anti...stuff on mine but now you got me thinking.

But you know you cant be walking around getting people all confused. People got a hard enough time reading and writing in plain english don't get them all messed up by having to read a walking billboard.

So I have learned, frat. Oh well, I didn't hurt to try anyway!
Have you been to "our" board over the last few days? It's entirely too hot over there, for real. Same old topics, over and over again...

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NOW THAT ITS OVER
 

But it could work if LITERACY was our national thrust for the next two years. . .:)