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AKA2D '91 05-08-2002 07:01 PM

Perps: Why do it?
 
Members of the Greek world, please share any stories that you may have of these perps. How were these so and so's "busted"? What happened after? Please give us all the good, bad, and ugly details.


Non-members, why do you all think that one has to go to GREAT links to PRETEND that they are a member of an organization? How would you, handle the situation if it were ever presented to you? All the facts are presented before you and voila Jane/John Doe was a perp.

SweetestDiva 05-08-2002 07:21 PM

I haven't run into any perps in my *brief* AKA career, lol. But a lot of folks on the internet are suspect. On the bet.com boards after the step-off, I can count the number of "sorors" on one hand who listed when/where they were initiated. Which is all fine and good, but don't top that off with a hearty "SKEE-WHHEE", "SKI-WHEE" or any other random spelling of the call! I also saw a "Delta" who ended with a "WHOO-OOP"... if you're going to be lame enough (and yes, please believe I do mean LAME enough) to perp, you would think you would at least pay attention to little things like that. :rolleyes:

AKA_Monet 05-08-2002 07:42 PM

I myself have never encountered a perp...
 
I personally think that it just goes to show that 'nalia doesn't make the member, the enriching process of membership and brother/sisterhood does...

Anyone can purchase 'nalia and wear it, hell, my Soror Mom MADE me throw out some of my old 'nalia to be given away to Salvation Army... Even after I pleaded with her not to do that!!! :eek: But alas, she and her silver star says that wearing the letters don't mean squat if you ain't gonna work in the Sorority...

So, what can I say? :confused:

Enforcer00 05-08-2002 07:47 PM

I got one for ya...
 
I didn't meet this "Soror" myself, but one of my LBs ran into my "missing Duece" while he was in the mall. She had the nerve to claim that she was from my chapter and Spring 2000 (it was fall of 2000 at the time). I don't advocate perping of any kind but if somebody is just dying to perp why are you going to claim a chapter from the city that you are visiting? 9 times out of 10 the person you are talking to knows you're lying.:rolleyes:

AKA2D '91 05-08-2002 07:53 PM

Re: I got one for ya...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Enforcer00
I didn't meet this "Soror" myself, but one of my LBs ran into my "missing Duece" while he was in the mall. She had the nerve to claim that she was from my chapter and Spring 2000 (it was fall of 2000 at the time). I don't advocate perping of any kind but if somebody is just dying to perp why are you going to claim a chapter from the city that you are visiting? 9 times out of 10 the person you are talking to knows you're lying.:rolleyes:
:confused:
your LB?
Are you in a co-ed organizaton? ON a co-ed line?

Enforcer00 05-08-2002 08:13 PM

I'm a Zeta my LB is a Sigma.

AKA2D '91 05-08-2002 08:26 PM

NO constitutional bond here...school those without!
 
oohhhhhhhh! make it plain...sista

make it plain...



LMAO!

:cool:

:D

Enforcer00 05-08-2002 08:38 PM

Re: NO constitutional bond here...school those without!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
oohhhhhhhh! make it plain...sista

make it plain...



LMAO!

:cool:

:D

Gotta keep folks guessing ;)

Sugar_N_Spice 05-08-2002 09:35 PM

WOW! No They DID NOT?!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SweetestDiva
On the bet.com boards after the step-off, I can count the number of "sorors" on one hand who listed when/where they were initiated. Which is all fine and good, but don't top that off with a hearty "SKEE-WHHEE", "SKI-WHEE" or any other random spelling of the call! I also saw a "Delta" who ended with a "WHOO-OOP"... if you're going to be lame enough (and yes, please believe I do mean LAME enough) to perp, you would think you would at least pay attention to little things like that. :rolleyes:
LMBAO!!!!!!!! Oh, the hilarity!

RedefinedDiva 05-08-2002 10:02 PM

BEWARE: THIS MESSAGE IS KIND OF LONG
 
Well, well, well. I will be the first to comment from the prospect's perspective. Some "perps" just do it for the attention. Plain and simple. Most perps do not know the extent of what it really takes to become a member of a GLO. They think that you just have to learn the names of a few founders, learn a few chants and party walks, a smidge of history, and it's all good.

Most of the time "perps" want the love and attention that is attached to being a member. NO, I am not a perp, but this example fits the topic. In undergrad, I used to hang with girls in XYZ Sorority, Inc. They often took me along to various greek events that happened on other campuses. When they ran into their sorors, it was all hugs and kisses. Since I was along with them, they automatically assumed that I was a member and extended that love to me. It was on ME to inform these ladies that I was not a member, but merely a sisterfriend. Funny thing is, the love was no different (well, maybe slightly, but you get my point) Some perps would have capitalized off of that.

That's just one thing. With the widespread usage of the Internet and all the technology involved, people can create a new identity everyday. Everyone thinks that they are anonymous. If they lie about being a member, how will you know? If they get found out, they can just create a new user name and come back tomorrow. It never ends. Even in person, if go to Florida and rep a Georgia chapter, how will you know? By the time you try to blow up the spot, I'll be on the first thing smoking back to Florida. :)

My overall opinion is that it is for the love. Just for a second, sit back and think about what it was like before you became a member of you respective org. Then think about how your whole circle of friends and "family" changed after you gained membership. Some people seek that. All sisterfriends can admit that they feel a small sense of envy (regardless of how slight it may be) when a former sisterfriend crosses those sands or members are simply giving "soror only" shout-outs. We all seek that. That's why we are all here. However, the sensible, logical, and most SERIOUS population of us want our props the legit way... when we EARN them!

OneOneTwo 05-08-2002 10:47 PM

I have a STRONG DISLIKE for Perps!
 
I'm sorry ya'll I just can't get with it. I realize I'm not Greek but I'm willing to wait FOREVER for the benefits of belonging into my choice BGLO before ever, Ever, EVER claiming to be a member. I want the opportunity to become a MEMBER, not to go around "pretending" (I put it in quotes because you can't) to be one.

When I was a freshman, I've had several people claim they might have been in an organization and they weren't. How did I find out... I visited the chapters website or for the org of my interest, I went to the events they held or for orgs I weren't interested in, I just went to a function an noticed how all the members were wearing one thing and they another. Some people were legit, they just weren't a member of that chapter but some were proven to be otherwise. And with those people, I had to cut off all ties with them because if they were going to lie about something as serious as this, then what else would they lie to me about?

And you know what else? I hate it when after certain organizations (this one at my school for instance) bring out their new members for their coming out show; you see just about everyone and their momma wearing that orgs colors. And it's not just the wearing of the colors but it is them accepting congrats for being new members of the chapter THEY KNOW they were not apart of. Makes me sick. And the funny thing is that some of these girls will make up stuff about what they did while they were "On-Line", and me and a REAL member of the organization or a group of new members will just be standing there listening. Of course the girls are dumb enough to give their real name so when folks go to the website and see their name is NOT listed, then they are already caught. Stupid people.

So in a nutshell perping is not worth it. I wish someone could point me in the direction of one of the forums where folks were talking about people switching orgs. I got some comments for that one too (if I can have permission to post them). Okay ya'll I found the thread, it is on the Delta Sigma Theta board called A(nother) Word of Advice and it is at or NEAR the top.

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Happydaysf91 05-08-2002 11:15 PM

Don't Like it...but what can we do...
 
I don't like it at all...but if you do run into a person that you feel is 'suspect'...I suggest that you find out her name, contact the particular chapter that she is claiming...and if the person is really out there wearing paraphanalia and etc....I suggest that you send in the name to our National body (or suggest so to the chapter)...so that that person will never become a part of our illustrious sisterhood.

And Soror Monet is right.....anyone can wear letters. We as greeks don't 'own' the alphabet. :( SORORS when you meet ladies on the street or etc. be careful when talking about our business. Find out where the person was made, when -- ask something that only an AKA would now....see what Sorors in the city she knows.

I'm not too concerned with these pari-wearing-lying-young-ladies that say that they are part of our illustrious organizations. You bust her out...she doesn't know anything...is not part of the organization...you report her to the national body and try to make sure she never becomes a member. However, I am concerned with these 'ghost' perpetrating members ----- and this is A big problem among all greeks -- especially among fraternities! :eek: I tell you....

Soror AKA2d...are you on the Vine...I just ask something similar to this on there! (smile)

OhSoVeryLadylike 05-09-2002 12:45 AM

A perp
 
I came in close contact with a perpertrator of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated. She worked in my office with me. But, as an interested person, I felt who was I to question her a MEMBER. So I just went along with whatever until things started to not add up like when we went to events together she would stand in line with me instead of going to ladies table get her “love” she her “love” and get in free, she would pay her dollar like everyone else. Then my close friend who is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Incorporated who is the PR person for my school’s pan-Hellenic council saw me at a game with her beside her car with the “AKA 1908” license plate and asked whose car was I in, he know I did not go and cross without telling him. He continued to go off on a mad tangent I finally got him to calm down and told him whose car it was. And he was like you should ride back to school with me and he told me in the car he did not she was Greek, which he knows most Greeks on our campus and around the city. Then when we could go to her apartment and she would make us wait at the door and one time I went into her bedroom and saw that all of her “greek apparel” was gone. She said that she was made at a city-wide chapter in California (I later found out it did not exist) she was also heard said she was made at our school’s chapter (she was 32 so she could have been, but she was not). She was found out at graduation when wore an AKA stole and no body knew who she was, I do not know the exact details of what went down. I do not know why she did it, but I later found out that she often reinvents herself.
Now when I meet people I look and casually bring up their name to people who I know are members. I know it’s not my place but I can’t look to someone I can not trust for advance about how to pursue an organization she is not even a member of.
I know me personally I want all the rights and privileges of a MEMBER of this great organization, I don’t want to have to watch every word I say, just to get FALSE LOVE because someone thinks I am member and I am really not, because one day I would be found out. It is not worth it. Not AT ALL.


I want all sides of the DEAL I want the working side and showing side. I want it ALL. And if I am BLESSED I will get it all. And if I never do then, it was not meant to be and I will definitely not pretend to be a member. My mother, grandmothers, cousins, aunts and friends would kill me for dishonoring their beloved organization it is not worth it, NOT AT ALL.

AKA2D '91 05-09-2002 08:09 AM

Re: Don't Like it...but what can we do...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Happydaysf91


Soror AKA2d...are you on the Vine...I just ask something similar to this on there! (smile)

:o I was "booted" in November.
LMAO

:p

techie_girl_44 05-09-2002 12:40 PM

Re: A perp
 
Quote:

Originally posted by OhSoVeryLadylike
Then my close friend who is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Incorporated who is the PR person for my school’s pan-Hellenic council saw me at a game with her beside her car with the “AKA 1908” license plate and asked whose car was I in, he know I did not go and cross without telling him. :eek:

She was found out at graduation when wore an AKA stole and no body knew who she was, I do not know the exact details of what went down. I do not know why she did it, but I later found out that she often reinvents herself.

Quote:

Originally posted by OneOneTwo
And you know what else? I hate it when after certain organizations (this one at my school for instance) bring out their new members for their coming out show; you see just about everyone and their momma wearing that orgs colors. And it's not just the wearing of the colors but it is them accepting congrats for being new members of the chapter THEY KNOW they were not apart of. Makes me sick. And the funny thing is that some of these girls will make up stuff about what they did while they were "On-Line", and me and a REAL member of the organization or a group of new members will just be standing there listening. Of course the girls are dumb enough to give their real name so when folks go to the website and see their name is NOT listed, then they are already caught. Stupid people.
Okay I am not a member of any Greek organization but these posts shock the mess out of me! :eek: License plates and stoles at a campus where there is a chapter full of people who can bust you out?!? Saying what you did "on-line" in front of people who just crossed? Are people that bold? At my old school the Greeks were considered a bit "bout it" and all these folks would have caught some serious chit.

I have never personally come in contact with a perp but to be honest, I don't know how I would tell the difference between a real member of an organization and a perp. If all I know is what a GDI is allowed to know how am I going to "call out" someone with my little bit of information? I think if I suspected someone was a perp I would pass that info on to a member of the org. the person was perping and let them handle that.

skeeliteful 05-09-2002 06:08 PM

HappyDays is right...we don't own the alphabet and ANYONE can walk into a store and purchase nalia. The thought that someone would be out of their d@m$ mind to do that makes me uncomfortable. And I was always told to pass down 'nalia that I no longer wanted versus giving it to salvation army. I've never met a perp, but Lord if I ever do bless that child.

And at times it can go deeper than just "saying" you are a Soror and wearing 'nalia. With pin's and copies of the constitution and bylaws on the auction block on Ebay...greek information is just too accessible. NOT TO MENTION...soror's and other greeks telling too much info to the wrong people.

Soror HappyDays91, I pm'd you

:)

techie_girl_44 05-09-2002 11:15 PM

Re: Another Long One
 
Quote:

Originally posted by RedefinedDiva

1. Does this "member" ever talk about going to do community service? We all know that (most) BGLOs are dedicated to service. If this person never talks about it, be skeptical. If they claim to do it, ask them to take you along next time to help out. If they are a real "member", they should have no problem with letting you come along.

2. Does the "member" only talk about menial things in the organization, like party walking, stepping, parties, etc? Orgs. have serious issues to discuss, so why waste time with the small stuff?

3. Does the "member" ALWAYS talk about things that they did when they were "on-line"? If so, BE SKEPTICAL. There is no such thing as being "on-line". Hazing was eliminated in 1990. Besides that, whatever happened to that person during MIP is STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. Members usually DO NOT discuss these issues with non-members. (Memberfriends, corret me if I am wrong) I have close friends and family that are members of various orgs. and they still refuse to discuss MIP with me.

4. Does this "member" have a card? Ask them to show it to you. Not that you have to be abrasive about it, but explain that you have been misled by perps in the past. IMO, a member would be happy to flash that card in your face. (At least, I know I would!)

5. Does this "member" have means to help you out? I mean, the wonderful memberfriends in this forum and others are willing to help us and they don't know us from Eve. If this "member" lives in your area and has no means to hook you up with at least one contact, RED ALERT!

5. Does this "member" know history? Come on. We are giving some perps too much credit. Even with all the infromation that is available through websites, forums such as this, and other resources, some perps don't even take the time to learn it all. Ask them questions that all members should know. Ask them questions that even a four-year-old girl that lives in a cave in Bosnia should know about the org. If they don't know, you have my permission to haul off and WHIP HER A**!!

There are other ways that I have thought of, but I don't want to hog the conversation more than I already have. Just use good judgement. **Memberfriends, let me know what you think!**
:D

RedefinedDiva I don't totally agree with some of the points you made so I will break down my opinions about the subject on a point by point basis:

1 & 2. From what I gather from various posts on this board and other's, there are members of organizations who fit these qualities. I don't want to cross any boundaries but I believe they call those members "t-shirt wearers."

3. There are people who talk in depth about their "process". I have had a couple member's of different orgs tell me all about the things they had to do (I won't go into detail here... even if they don't practice discretion, I do) because they knew I was interested in joining a sorority.

4. This one makes sense but then a resourceful perp may just make up one that looks like the card real members get and get it printed at Kinko's. Also, I know that some members wouldn't take kindly to a non-greek asking to see their membership card.

5. Their are some members of organization's who will not help you out if you were their blood sister (slight exaggeration here). I have come across members like this myself.

6. Just like you and I know basic history about the organizations we are interested in, a perp can get the same knowledge from the same places we get our knowledge. There are some things that only members would know that can distinguish a perp that has done their research from a real member.

Thats just my opinion though, feel free to disagree. :D

Happydaysf91 05-10-2002 11:51 AM

Personal Suggestion....
 
Personal Suggestion to interested parties....

You shouldn't try to 'bust out' a person who is not an XYZ, KWM or etc...... (that's just my personal opinion). 'Cause lo and behold if you are wrong....you are definitely in for a tongue lashing.... Just because she won't answer you and does not 'fit' into your typically mold of XYZ (i.e., the 6 questions written above), doesn't mean that she's not one. Maybe she is into' strolling; maybe community service is not at the 'top' of her priority list; maybe she doesn't have her card on her; maybe she's not the 'helping out' type, etc....... However, those things doesn't mean she's NOT an XYZ.

Furthermore, I don't think I would be game for showing anyone my financial card who is not a Soror...maybe its me. But you would probably get straight cursed out for that one! Same with a history question from someone I don't know off the street....well, I guess it depends on the question....

Just my .08 cent.

AKA_Monet 05-10-2002 05:22 PM

Perp Detection, it's not just cleaning anymore...
 
Firstly, I agree with what all my lovely Sorors stated, always--first and foremost... It has something to do about a sisterly vow I made when I entered into AKA-dom as I lift up my light to an eternal flame. And even when the "Wall" ceremony is done for me, I know I have lived my days...

NOW, ONLY MY SORORS WOULD COMPREHEND THE MEANING OF MY STATEMENTS!!!

A perpatrator would know very little about that... EVEN if that perp dropped line, failed MIP or neglected the chartering process!!!

Sorors, just always remember what is ritualistically important to us... Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. was founded on principles that go beyond what is printed, everywhere. There are WAYS to detect falsehoods without skrait up challenging or password decoding... Those ways go to KNOWING YOUR DOCUMENTS and understanding the full meaning of ALL our Rituals--It takes having several degrees when we try to reach an Epiphany... ;)



For Serioussss interests only:

Your trust should start AFTER RUSH if you are an undergraduate... Your self-interested studying should have started long before...

Your faith should be renewed when an official letter is received INVITING you to join, especially if you have graduated. Your research should be much like as if God has sent an from Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Angel to become a guardian in your life, as if it happened out of nowhere... And you are sheerly blessed...

Because really, ALL my Graduate Sorors practice some forms of faith and they are known to request that you to come and visit at their churches, synagogues, temples and mosques--if not for worship--definitely to any huge functions--like a fish fry...

And if you ain't meeting groups of us then, outside of stepping and partywalking, then you should use your discretion and be safe.

Moreover, how are you trying to do this endeavor on your OWN??? I would be NETWORKING if it were me... Find out who a fellow sisterfriend is, y'all should be going to ONE of the Grad Chapter FUNCTIONS!!! If not MLK parade, where you'd see all of us, then make it another programmatic function outside of church... Even if it costs $50+ for a tix...

Meeting my Sorors at a stepshow has become rather infantile, don't you think?

Remember when I was a child, I spake as a child and I did childish things... But when I became a (wo)man, I put childish things away...

I like to believe that my Sorority is far from being labeled as childish when dealing and outwitting simple-minded fraudulent people... Oh well...

RedefinedDiva 05-10-2002 06:04 PM

I'm back again. I just wanted to say that I didn't mean to offend any member or suggest that sisterfriends should bust anyone out. Hopefully, none of us are that bold.... It's just that chances of encountering a perp is unlikely, but stranger things have happened. You know, to ME, finding out who's a perp is like trying to figure out who is a terrorist. You remember post 9-11, everyone had a profile figured out for what a terrorist would be like and how you can distinguish them from the general population. We all wish that it could be easy to pinpoint a perp. SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I let my imagination get the best of me with my list. However, I have personally known perps (of other orgs.) and some of the questions fit typical bases that they could not cover (and for those reasons some of them still have hair patches that have not grown back.... :) )
Again, my list was not an exact science, which is why I asked for feedback. We never stop learning and perps are people that we may never figure out.

THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK!!

P.S. HC the Charlotte Hornets are now the NEW ORLEANS HORNETS?!! Gotta get my season tickets! :D

spelgrad00 05-10-2002 06:14 PM

Oh my goodness, AKA plates, membership cards made at kinko's, that is crazy!!! I went to a small school and if anyone tried to perp they could pretty much forget about every really trying to get into any organization. They could pretty much forget about anyone even looking at them as a sane individual. I am not a member but I can't front, there would be times in college when my friends and I would be in the house posing in the mirror throwing up the sign of the respective organization of our interest. I'm not ashamed to say that because those are just immature things that you grow out of as you mature. But never in a million years have I ever heard of anyone perping as hard as some of the previously mentioned individuals. That is a fool!!!

Dionysus 05-10-2002 06:35 PM

What do you all do when you all catch a perp?

HoneyBee1922 05-10-2002 06:38 PM

Hi all, hope you don't mind in me dropping in but have I got a tale for you! :D
Here goes,
Way before I joined my org. I attended various programs put on by the chapter at my school. I met this one girl there, we'll call her "Crazy" <<forshadowing>> and we really hit it off. Next thing you knew I we were attending all the events together and even "quizzing" each other on information (in case we were asked a question by one of the members-- I know you all remember those days :p ) So anyway, this girl and I decided to move in together on campus the following spring because my roommate was moving out.
That spring the org. had a line- I was on it and she wasn't. "Drama in the House of HoneyBee"- Right? Wrong. She seemed not to be phased in the least bit, and went on and on about how "When her time is right..." I thought all was well until one of the members came over to my room to visit. She was there for a little while then we decided to go get something to eat; I asked her to grab my jacket out of my closet, and you won't believe what happened!
She went to "Crazy's" closet by mistake, and what was in it but a SHRINE to Sigma Gamma Rho!! This girl had every piece of 'nalia ever created in this closet! She even had a crossing jacket- with her name on it and a Captain's wheel. So not only was she sick, she obciously had delusions of grandeur. She created this whole senario in her crazy head and made herself captain. Apparently, she had been perping for over a year, and she got all the stuff from friends and family in her hometown when she went home over a school break.
The moral of the story? Even seemingly "sane" people can perp- so be aware.

AKA2D '91 05-10-2002 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dionysus
What do you all do when you all catch a perp?
what else? PRAY for them. ;)

:D

loviest95 05-11-2002 11:56 AM

Well here are my two perp stories... When I was being made-- there was a rumor of a line taking place at a near by university. When my line crossed we were anticipating meeting these young ladies.. well it never happened. Then one day about a year later there was an AKA probate..at said univeristy.
There were some girls out there steppin etc.
That university DID NOT have a line.. they just took it upon themselves to come out..
Apparently some of our sorors (that had been discipled) "pledged them and took them over":eek: :eek: :eek:

This is a mess that has continued to this day.. more and more of these crazies come out each year....:rolleyes:

Story #2-- I met a girl that claimed to have pleded at another university here in TX. Fine we bcame associates having lunch together etc. She told me stories about her "process" and her line sisters and how much she missed them.

One day I was having lunch with my LS and she walked in. I tried to get "Prep's" attention.. She ignored me and kept going. She did not even stay to eat. Well my LS was surprised that I knew her and asked where we met. After explaining everything my LS went off-- that girl went to that other university too-- and she said the girl had 'perped' there too. The girl transfers from school to school doing the same thing.

Here is the killer...I saw "perp" about three weeks ago at the mall she said HI Soror. I ignored her-- i was trying to get my 3 month olds ears pierced and did not want to get into it with her.

Now that is some HOT MESS!!!!!!:mad:

AKA_Monet 05-11-2002 02:48 PM

Awwwww....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by loviest95
I saw "perp" about three weeks ago at the mall she said HI Soror. I ignored her-- i was trying to get my 3 month olds ears pierced and did not want to get into it with her.
Awwww, Soror maybe some grad chapter just took her over and the chapter wasn't told the whole story... :rolleyes: You know how that rolls...

Besides, isn't public acknowledgement rather non-discrete, especially when there is not an outward Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. function, such as Regionals, Clusters and Boule?

Unfortunately, some of us will have to "deal" with that mess... Oh well...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Honeybee-

What did you all do when you found out this "Crazy" chick's obsession?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dionysus-

Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Corporate Offices and International Board of Directors will sue these people for impersonation, slander and fraud... They will NEVER join ANY NPHC Sorority affiliate...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Incidentally,

I heard about a "Fatal Attraction" sisterfriend that called everybody to say the chapter she wanted to join was hazing. Then the RD, Investigation teams and local police investigated this young woman's claim and found out she "cried wolf"... Needless to say, she will NEVER be an AKA...

DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT!!!

chrini 05-12-2002 09:00 PM

I remember after a big line crossed of XYZ sorority. There was a note posted on campus in a central area where everyone hungout. To sum it all up it stated, If you were dissapointed because you did not make XYZ's line because of grades, popularity or whatever. Your dream could still come true. There was a pager number for you to call. Suposedly some of the disciplined members took retaliation and made a line regardless if the person attended that college or not and basic requirements met or not. A few weeks past . So one weekend when hardly no one was on campus Those who called the pager number and went through whatever "Came OUT" on the yard in front of XYZ's "Spot" reciting history and taking pictures. Just so happened some of the legit members of the big line got word of what was going to happened and showed up. Talk about fussing yelling and shoving these newly "Regades" from their spots. What a big mess. Although they are not legit but Renegades claim they can attend National and Regional conventions with active members present. I say it is not worth it, to go through all of the hassle you may as well be legal and enjoy all benefits. If it seems too good too be true it probably is.

loviest95 05-13-2002 03:45 AM

chrini, sounds like the situation I was I was speaking of -- HOT MESS:rolleyes:

mccoyred 05-13-2002 01:19 PM

2 legit
 
No matter how many Ghost or Renegade members are made, if National HQ doesn't have you on the roll, you ain't legit!

Quote:

Originally posted by chrini
I remember after a big line crossed of XYZ sorority. There was a note posted on campus in a central area where everyone hungout. To sum it all up it stated, If you were dissapointed because you did not make XYZ's line because of grades, popularity or whatever. Your dream could still come true. There was a pager number for you to call. Suposedly some of the disciplined members took retaliation and made a line regardless if the person attended that college or not and basic requirements met or not. A few weeks past . So one weekend when hardly no one was on campus Those who called the pager number and went through whatever "Came OUT" on the yard in front of XYZ's "Spot" reciting history and taking pictures. Just so happened some of the legit members of the big line got word of what was going to happened and showed up. Talk about fussing yelling and shoving these newly "Regades" from their spots. What a big mess. Although they are not legit but Renegades claim they can attend National and Regional conventions with active members present. I say it is not worth it, to go through all of the hassle you may as well be legal and enjoy all benefits. If it seems too good too be true it probably is.

Happydaysf91 05-13-2002 01:37 PM

Say that Sister McCoyred
 
Better yet...I wish Sorors would stop just 'so-call' busting them out....Turn these indviduals into National HQ..... Also, turn in the name of the chapter where the person was supposedly 'made' and the so-called members (NOT Sorors) involved! We need to get rid of these folk as well....

I tell you.....:mad: this makes me sooooo angry...how can people think they are ABOVE the organization and go out and do such..... Just goes to show you...some of these people should have never been made (yeah...I said it:( )!

To all interest....if it smells fishy and there's no formal program sanctioned by our National body...you should stay away or be prepared to be barred from membership altogether if you are ever found out about!!!!! And trust...more SORORS are turning in these folk these days....its a lot of people out there who will never be a member of my elite organization or any of the D9 for that matter!


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Kimmie1913 05-13-2002 04:13 PM

Re: Say that Sister McCoyred
 
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Originally posted by Happydaysf91
Better yet...I wish Sorors would stop just 'so-call' busting them out....Turn these indviduals into National HQ..... Also, turn in the name of the chapter where the person was supposedly 'made' and the so-called members (NOT Sorors) involved! We need to get rid of these folk as well....

I tell you.....:mad: this makes me sooooo angry...how can people think they are ABOVE the organization and go out and do such..... Just goes to show you...some of these people should have never been made (yeah...I said it:( )!

To all interest....if it smells fishy and there's no formal program sanctioned by our National body...you should stay away or be prepared to be barred from membership altogether if you are ever found out about!!!!! And trust...more SORORS are turning in these folk these days....its a lot of people out there who will never be a member of my elite organization or any of the D9 for that matter!


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Amen to that Sister HappyDays!

It burns me up as well to know how many of these renegades are out there for all D9 orgs. Ofen they are the ones bringing shame to our names and danger to prospects. They are the ones crossing the ghost line and creating new renegades to buy into their BS. How can you be all about an organization you DON"T EVEN BELGNG TO?:confused: And the fact that somewhere this group began with dually initiated memebers who have chosen to pass on our respective confidential info breaks my heart. At my undergrad many of the frats were composed of non existant members who pledged one year and maybe got a memebrship card officially down the line (then agian, maybe not) At the time I did not realize what was going on. Once it became clear I was like WTF??

PositivelyAKA 05-13-2002 04:54 PM

Tell Tell Signs of a Perp at work
 
i've meet my share of perps on the net, they are like roaches, all over the place and they scatter fast when you bring them to light.

signs of a perp they were made at some unknown school Mickey Mouse University, they pledged solo and moved after graduation (how convenient), if they are crazy they will challenge you with some wack mess, lol, to throw you off (go figure)

to catch a perp ask them regional info (they won't know)
invite them to a chapter meeting (they will always be busy)
have them over for an all soror get to gather (they won't show)

in real life its so easy to catch a perp, but on the net, well that's just srt8 drama.

perps do a disservice to themselves and really have emotional issues that i'm sure spill out into other areas of their life. even a child recognizes a fool.

Happydaysf91 05-13-2002 04:55 PM

Yep...the fraternities got it bad...
 
It was like that with fraternities at my school as well....Most of them became 'official' with the next line; however, according to my friend (who was amongst the non-National HQ recognized brother of his frat), some never did...unless they went through the grad chapter much later on.

I've heard of this 'big' problem with sororities only in the last few years.....it's crazy!!!!! For some unknown reason members think that it's OK...she's still one of 'us' because she went through a 'process'....and these crazy interested women think...if I'm recognized by members of that chapter...I'm a Soror....they don't realize that this is a life long committment and that yeah, you may be recognized on that campus...but you can't register for regionals, boule', cluster or etc.....you can't even get any of our official publications......

Interest....DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!

AKA_Monet 05-14-2002 04:35 PM

Re: Yep...the fraternities got it bad...
 
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Originally posted by Happydaysf91
I've heard of this 'big' problem with sororities only in the last few years.....it's crazy!!!!! For some unknown reason members think that it's OK...she's still one of 'us' because she went through a 'process'....and these crazy interested women think...if I'm recognized by members of that chapter...I'm a Soror....they don't realize that this is a life long committment and that yeah, you may be recognized on that campus...but you can't register for regionals, boule', cluster or etc.....you can't even get any of our official publications......

Interest....DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!

Soror Happy-

The sad part is these same folks who did this "process" but cannot be official, if found out, will NEVER be official... And usually it is due to GPA and units...

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It behooves GA's to block that chit from jump... And actually find it laughable when negroes choose to remain ignorant... It looks as if it is like when our High Schoolers fail their classes, 'cuz they don't look cool no more... In fact there IS this whole gang-member mentality that is generated in high school, and when these fools get into college--barely--they just connect with PDQ fraternity or XYZ sorority 'cuz of colors!!! Somehow, all the D9's need to DEMAND background checks BEFORE rushes!!! Otherwise, when I background on a girl, I'm illegal, 'cuz I'm not s'pose to be figuring what kinda FAMILY environment she comes from!!! I'm not s'pose to be ASKING about EXACT GPA until Rush--but I ask a ROUND about number--like a 3.0 or above preferably :eek:...

I think there are hidden WAYS one can corraborate stories... The Corporate world does it all the time--WhaChu think they are discussin' on the Fairway...:rolleyes: So sometime, we may have to use combined tactics, and it helps when the D9 chapters are on speaking terms... And I always backup my SOURCES during my private investigations--so, as of now, I hope no faker has fooled me!!!

FuzzieAlum 05-16-2002 02:20 PM

I hope ya'll don't mind if I insert myself into your thread and ask an ignorant question ... I've never heard much about folks masquerading as members of NPC sororities, except occasionally for someone who was unhappy at being kicked out. Is this a common problem for NPHC sororities?

prayerfull 05-16-2002 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by FuzzieAlum
I hope ya'll don't mind if I insert myself into your thread and ask an ignorant question ... I've never heard much about folks masquerading as members of NPC sororities, except occasionally for someone who was unhappy at being kicked out. Is this a common problem for NPHC sororities?
FuzzieAlum - There's nothing wrong with your question. It's not ignorant at all. There is a distinctive cultural difference between the black and non-black community. Our Divine 9 greek letter organizations are icons of leadership and social status in our community. Our cultural heritage is deeply rooted in these organizations. Membership in our organizations does not end in college. For many of us, membership may not even begin until after college. Our memberships are life-long. So, as our orgs are icons of leadership and social status, much of one's acceptance in our community is dictated by the org that you belong to.

(I want to make sure that I don't say that the wrong way, because there are a number of people who will argue with me that membership in a greek letter org does not dictate one's "status" or "acceprtance", however, I beg to differ with that opinion - I don't necessarily agree that it "should" be that way, but it's just the way it is.)

So, much of this is why we have so many perps. Some people out there are dying to belong - and will go to whatever extreme necessary to do so.

WenD08 05-16-2002 03:23 PM

very, hence the topic. now, perps have another arena in which to perp: the internet.:mad:
it's right up there, to me, w/identity fraud.

Happydaysf91 05-16-2002 03:57 PM

Difference...
 
Soror Prayfull was right on point with her statement...

However, there is a difference b/w those individuals that just fake the funk and individuals that are 'ghost' (as the young ones say). Both are perpetrators.....They both make me completely sick to my stomach!:mad:

However, the later may 'perp' because someone within our illustrious organizations 'made' them feel and/or told them that they were one of 'us'. Therefore, this person feels as though he/or she is 'one' of us or the 'next best thing' even though she's not on our National roster. For straight fakers...I guess as Soror Prayfull has stated...they just want to emulate greatness....its flattering as well as sad that someone would go to such great lengths to do this.....

At anyrate....if you ever run into me and you are either of the above, be prepared to go toe-to-toe with our National office....'cause I will turn your little raggedy tail in. I'm not going to argue with you...I'm not going to discuss the matter any further...I'm not going to snatch you out of my letters (contrary to popular belief -- the D9 aren't glorified gang members). I'm just going to get your information....turn you in(and if you are 'ghost'...I'll get the name of the members involved and turned them in as well), and wait for your name to be announced as someone who can never be part of my illustrious organization at our Boule' (National Convention)....That's enough for me:mad:

Have a wonderful day...my REAL SORORS and GREEK SISTERS!:(

AKA_Monet 05-17-2002 03:56 PM

SO WHAT!!!
 
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Originally posted by prayerfull
I want to make sure that I don't say that the wrong way, because there are a number of people who will argue with me that membership in a greek letter org does not dictate one's "status" or "acceprtance", however, I beg to differ with that opinion - I don't necessarily agree that it "should" be that way, but it's just the way it is.
SO WHAT!!!!

They say I can't step 'cuz I'm too PRRRRRISSSSSYYYYYY;)

They say I can't step 'cuz I'm too SSSSSADDDDITTTY:rolleyes:

But that's okay even though it is TRUE...:p

'Cuz AKA's can step and get down too!!! :D

'Cuz thissss heeeerah matta....

Is a very SKEERRRRIOUSSSSS MATTER!!!:)

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WHATEVER!!!! That's what po-broke negroes havta say when they hate...:rolleyes:

Excellence NEEDS NO explanation!!!

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Fuzzie-

To add to what my sorors stated, most of the NPHC D9 groups truly DO elevated one within there respective communities, just as much as you see the mainstream IFC and NPC group affiliation--ALL of the United States Presidents within 20th century and including Dubya were and are members of a few select fraternities... It goes the same route as that movie Skulls... Once you are in, your social class is set for life... Only difference is if someone decides to leave by becoming inactive, well, in AKA, we don't like it, but we don't chastise them...

FuzzieAlum 05-17-2002 06:15 PM

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Only difference is if someone decides to leave by becoming inactive, well, in AKA, we don't like it, but we don't chastise them...
Oh, if someone chooses to leave my sorority (or any NPC sorority) or to become inactive, we don't chastise them! That's their own personal decision to make. Now if someone is kicked out, it's pretty likely that their former sisters won't have much use for them, because it takes some pretty nasty behavior before you're kicked out, but even then I've seen there are some former sisters who will stand behind them.


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