well DUH!!!
 

Home from work again today thanks to all the little germy children I work with 40 hours a week. Watching daytime TV and a commercial for the news at noon comes on, for KCAL 9 (sort of like WGN in the Chicago area). There's the usual teasers for the news, and at the end the newscaster says something like "Fraternities and sororities may be going dry in the next year..." and then the camera came back to him and he looked at the camera like he didn't have anything to say.

I think I will skip my afternoon Law and Order rerun to watch that. Wonder if they're going to say anything positive, or interview a member of a GLO.

More to come.

Let us know what is said!! Hope it is a positive thing about us!!

I thought most went dry years ago???

So here's how it went, all 30 seconds of it...

In a nutshell, the UC-Berkeley powers that be have now outlawed alcohol at fraternity parties. There was one shot of the second story of a fraternity house, and lots of shots of empty beer wrappings around garbage cans on the street. They interviewed some guy in a suit who I suppose was a university official, but didn't flash his name or position on the screen. No Greek students were interviewed.

UCB cited the incidents of sexual assault, etc., that had allegedly happened at fraternity houses, and said that they hoped this ban on alcohol at the houses would help with that. Nothing on where they got the statistics, nothing on how many members of the NIC have already gone to dry housing, no interviews with students with complaints.

Now I don't know about you, but sexual assault happened on my campus in AND out of the fraternity houses (in fact, more of it happened outside to my knowledge). Don't students have parties in their rooms with alcohol? Why aren't they outlawed as well? All it takes is one drunk guy to commit sexual assault, and liquor is liquor whether it's served in a fraternity house or someone's room.

Yet another hoosier in our lives.

huh?
 

KappaStar, what does that sentence mean? As a proud grad of Indiana University and a nearly rabid Hoosier fan, please don't tell me that our proud nickname now has some strange slang connotation??? :eek:

She might be refering to the GC member hoosier that likes to post bad stuff about greeks.

Did anyone catch this on CNN? They had a window to the left of the reporter and you could see 3 words on the top -not sure what it said I was listening but when I took a look, underneath those words it had Delta Delta Delta-
(Could be wrong as I glimpsed it) I thought that was a really poor choice as you never know how people might interpret the link. It appeared to me like they just wanted some graphics for the spot....just plain thoughtless.

Typical!! It makes me sad to think about it!:(

YOu know what we need....more greek reporters!!! I know a sister reporter/newcaster in Omaha. Maybe I will write her and see what she can do.

Anyone else know any greek media?

Just thought I would share thisletter in today's Daily Illini.

That is exactly what I meant. I've got nothing against IU at all...one of my best girlfriends went there (an AXiD), and I was jealous of all the fun stuff she got to do. One of the few disadvantages of having gone to a small school.

I don't even think hoosier was a Hoosier anyway.

YOu know what we need....more greek reporters!!! I know a sister reporter/newcaster in Omaha. Maybe I will write her and see what she can do.

Funny you would say that. At the DG luncheon, I sat next to the most darling little thing and she told me she wanted to be a reporter. This girl appeared to have all the necessary qualificatons-mental and physical (for TV) Her prof told her she would never make it! Where in the heck did THAT come from-to a FRESHMAN, 3.7 gpa girl??? Did he perceive her as too "fluffy"?

No explanation was given. I told her not to let one idiot destroy her dream (plus a lot more) Maybe some college instructors don't want to encourage these young ladies due to their OWN bias!

Justamom....I have seen some duzzie profs in my day...some i guess are old and cranky, others maybe sexist I dunno, but I for one hope she makes it !! BIG!!! then you can call her up and have her do a good report on greeks!LOL!!!:)

Thanks for the link!! I wrote them an email too. I told them there should be more good greek postings....dunno if anything will come of it though...we'll see.

BTW, did anyone catch Dr. Laura on Wednesday?

I didn't hear as much as I should have, but apparently her guest was a father of a girl who was a freshman at University of Michigan. She went to a Fraternity party, was drugged - but apparently not raped, went home to the dorm and while trying to adjust the window fell out to her death. He is suing the Fraternity and Sorority.....

1. Does anyone know more about this
2. Which GLOs does it affect - if nobody minds telling

Why is he suiing the sorority? They had nothing to do with what happened?????

Of course it didnt. But in out litigous society its sue 'em all and let the courts sourt them out. We can thank MADD for that. They are the ones who got this whole "spocial host responsibility" thing happening. WTF ever happend to individual responsibility? I cant stand MADD. They started with a great cause and now have turned into a neo-temperance movement. Hey, message to MADD: We tried the whole prohibition thing about 70 years ago. It didnt work for us. Grasp the fact. :rolleyes:

Don't remember the fraternity but Courtney was a Chi Omega. Her dad was a big wig reporter here in Detroit. THe amount of the drug in her system was never mentioned. It all started as "drunk sorority girl falls out window". If her dad hadn't been a reporter, I doubt it would have gone as far as it did. Why he'd sue the sorority, I don't know.

Since I went to U of Michigan and was there when it all happened, I guess Ill tell.
You are referring to George Cantor, the father of Courtney Cantor who died tragically.
Courtney was had just recieved a bid from (I can say the names of the orgs. cuz pretty much thousands know and I respect both not to bash them) Chi Omega. On the day of their carry-in ( a Michigan tradition were fraternities carry new members over the threshold of the sorority's house and vice versa) with Phi Delt, Phi Delt later held a party for them at their house where Courtney was last seen drinking.
Sometime (I think around 2am) she returned to her 6th floor dorm room and somehow fell out of her window on a trash compactor. She was still alive when they got her to the hospital but died. Anyways, her father has sued Michigan and Phi Delt for the following reasons

--Phi Delt--
He says that they were the cause of her daughter getting drunk and that someone slipped GHB into her drink. Plus minors bought the alcohol with a fratenity check and were caught on tape at the liquor store handing it to the clerk. Its true that she was last seen drinking there, however a doctor stated that the amounts of GHB she had in her body were amounts that the body can make on its own (cuz it does) ALSO that her B.A level was no where near the the limit (much lower then .10 or .08) that even though she was intoxicated she wasnt to gone to not know what she was doing.

-- U of Michigan--
He says that the windows in the dorm were not safe and didnt work properly. After further investigation from boths sides, the windows were found to be perfectly suitable and in proper working condition. I have even seen the windows and truthfully about 99% of the people even for Courtney's small stature, will tell you that there is NO WAY she could have fell out on her own, its impossible. He also sued the maker of her loft saying it was hazardous, but after investigation it was found that the loft had nothing to do with it and that if she had fallen from her loft out the window as their sided stated, this was impossible because of the height of the window and the loft and where it was.

-- Chi Omega--
This one is new to me. In my remaining 2 years after it happened, he never went after Chi-O, even though their Nationals did come in. The only specualtions I can make from this is that there were rumors flying that the girls has been drinking (champagne)at the Chi-O house wayy before the carry-in started. Its a possibility that if GHB was put into her system that it could have been done there. And no sorority except for Sigma Kappa for some odd reason, is allowed to have any alcohol in their houses. So he might be going from reckless endangerment of a minor against them. I dont know. Cantor once stated that his daughter had never had a drink before college. Her friends stated otherwise.It might be easier to go after Chi O now also since her older sister ( a junior at the time) was in Chi-O , but after everything happened about 4 mos later they pulled her out fo UM.

If you ask anyone at UM, even anti and non greeks majority will tell you that Phi Delt got shafted. Yeah they were just dumba$$es for having minors buy the alcohol ESPECIALLY using a fraternity check. All the evidence seem to point that Phi Delt had nothing to do with it and with the Chi O rumors flying around many were mad that nothing happened to Chi-O while Phi Delt got automatic termination and 10 of there members were arrested and some are doing time and some have probation.
Most people also think that Cantor was pushed out the window. It seems that her roommate who was there when Cantor got back, cant recall where she was for 2 hours when Cantor died. She told police and university officials that she went to the bathroom. I dont know. Others think it was a possible suicide. No one will probably ever know.

Its just a really unfortunate tragic event that happened. Not only did it change Greek policies but university policies also. Phi Delt is back on campus now and people still hold much respect for both the Chi-O and Phi Delt organizations as they should. She was from what some people said a sweet girl who will be missed (especially by her pledge class and friends who are current seniors).

There's a whole book written by Courtney's father about the incident.. although I'm sure a little biased since it was written by a distraught father who needs someone/something to blame for the tragic death of his daughter. I'm not sure of the name though.
Secondly back to the original post about the story about Berkely I live in San Fran so our local news did a bigger story about it than what others saw aired nationally. The campus is indeed going to dry soror/frat houses, and it did indeed place greeks in a bad light, but they did interview a sorority member, and I believe a frat member, who both I must say didn't speak VERY eloquently.. as I recall the girl said.. "it'sa judgement call... there's always going to be alchol, it's the call about wheter to drink it or not should be up to you." not really the thing people needed to hear. Why don't they report that EVERY PARTY on campus or near campus.. or whatever has alcohol at it... why don't they point out that many non greeks die from binge drinking as well. The story did point out however that many of the organizations do have strict rules about alcohol in place. I agree we need more greek reporters... there are 6 broadcast majors in my chapter alone... :D

UMGirl,

Thank you very much for clearing that up. I wish I could have heard more of what he was trying to say on Dr. Laura. because I didn't really get if his message was to be careful or if he was totally against greeks in general. I will say that there were a number of greeks who called the show and spoke very eloquently about how great being greek is.

I am sorry that Phi Delt, UM, Chi O, and her friends and family had/have to go through this, and yes it is a tragic loss, I hope that whatever the truth may be eventually comes out.

I remember hearing about this, but it was before I even graduated high school so I don't know a lot.

Here are a few articles:

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/...ews/news4.html

http://www.stophazing.org/sorority_h...neyslegacy.htm

http://www.unc.edu/depts/greek/RM93.htm

Re: huh?
 

Where I'm from the word "hoosier" has three different meanings:

1. A person from Indiana.
2. The white equivalent to "ghetto"
3. The midwest equivalent to a "redneck"

It's usually #2 or 3 and it is derogatory.